Welcome to Baltimore Marlon Humphrey

[balfan23]

46 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea I've watched the film on him. And he was probably the best CB in the draft for a Cover 2 defense which we happen to play a lot of. 

Everyone always complains about our zone with the CBs playing 5 yds off the ball and always forcing the underneath stuff. 

We draft a CB who excels in that type of coverage and everyone complains. He is awesome with the ball in front of him and has plenty of quickness and speed to do so. 

Probably the best tackler of the CBs in the draft too. So he can close the underneath stuff and tackle immediately. 

Spot on. What jumped out at me was Pees' comments during Humphrey's introductory presser:

"You guys in the press have been around me long enough to know - we like to pressure, we like playing man coverage, get up in your face and there have been some times last year ... in those last 4 games, we weren't able to do that. That's why this guy is sitting here beside me. ... At the line of scrimmage, this guy is absolutely phenomenal. ... I am so excited that we're going to be able to do some things that we've been wanting to do ...but could never do for a whole season". 

So a lot of this speaks to the frustration of not being able to keep Jimmy on the field. He clearly feels that this pick brings stability at corner and moves us in the direction of being able to get more aggressive with our secondary. 

 

[ALPHA]

Does anyone think he could be a serviceable safety?

[BMORE21]

Marlon plays tight coverage,however his instincts and ball skills suck. He reminds me of collins from ATL. We shouldve gotten one of those secondary players from Washington... They were the LOB of college football

[MIkepoly]

Looking at game film of Marlon back at Alabama playing cornerback he could deliver a blow like a Strong Safety and is very quick on breaking up short intermediate routes. Only thing he lacks as a cornerback is defending the deep ball. Which position best suits Marlon this upcoming season and foreseeing future.   

[Raven'evermore]

 I'm not what you would call a Shareece Wright fan, but when comparing him to Humphrey I noticed that they both have decent speed, Humphrey 4.41 and Wright 4.46.  They also both have trouble with the deep ball and they both hit hard at the line of scrimmage.  They only difference that I see (and I don't watch film much) is that Humphrey is taller.  Of course I'm not there on the field as is Harbaugh or Pees, but with all due respect, somebody tell me what am I missing?

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

 I'm not what you would call a Shareece Wright fan, but when comparing him to Humphrey I noticed that they both have decent speed, Humphrey 4.41 and Wright 4.46.  They also both have trouble with the deep ball and they both hit hard at the line of scrimmage.  They only difference that I see (and I don't watch film much) is that Humphrey is taller.  Of course I'm not there on the field as is Harbaugh or Pees, but with all due respect, somebody tell me what am I missing?

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

[GrimCoconut]

27 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

It's funny because you know who I think of when I think about Humphrey and how people are disappointed with the pick? I think of Vernon Hargreaves last year who was widely viewed as the best college CB coming out until people cooled down on him significantly. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

It's funny because you know who I think of when I think about Humphrey and how people are disappointed with the pick? I think of Vernon Hargreaves last year who was widely viewed as the best college CB coming out until people cooled down on him significantly. 

I never cooled on vh3, I actually didn't like him at first and he grew on me. And I still think he will be an elite corner once he adjusts to the NFL better. He's still very small and needs to adapt to maximize his abilities as a small shifty corner.

but I don't see Humphrey in the same light. Vh3 was incredibly refined yet small and more fluid than fast. Humphrey is a big physical guy who is more explosive/fast than fluid.

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

It's funny because you know who I think of when I think about Humphrey and how people are disappointed with the pick? I think of Vernon Hargreaves last year who was widely viewed as the best college CB coming out until people cooled down on him significantly. 

I remember watching humphrey last year when Alabama won the national championship game. At the time i thought "man this kid is a top 10 pick next year" Then to start the next year he shut down Juju smith schuster and got pretty quiet after that. I was always a big believer this kid had emense talent. He just hasent put ut all together yet. Part of that is him being only 20 years old

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I never cooled on vh3, I actually didn't like him at first and he grew on me. And I still think he will be an elite corner once he adjusts to the NFL better. He's still very small and needs to adapt to maximize his abilities as a small shifty corner.

but I don't see Humphrey in the same light. Vh3 was incredibly refined yet small and more fluid than fast. Humphrey is a big physical guy who is more explosive/fast than fluid.

I wasn't making a player comparison in terms of Humphrey and Hargreaves as prospects because they're extremely different in quite a few ways. I was comparing their draft stock when the year started and ended. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I wasn't making a player comparison in terms of Humphrey and Hargreaves as prospects because they're extremely different in quite a few ways. I was comparing their draft stock when the year started and ended. 

Ahh I gotcha. I remember Humphrey being touted as a top 5 pick everywhere I looked and I was like what the hell film are you guys watching? Lol. I never had him very high but I love his ability to blow up short passes and always liked his upside if he could develop some patience and mentally collect himself a little bit when the receiver gets a half step

Edited Monday at 07:22 PM by JoeyFlex5

[Raven'evermore]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

 Thanks, that helps.

[Davesta]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

Hopefully that doesn't mean he'll bite on the screen pass to edleman then edleman pass to amendola. Still haunts me

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Hopefully that doesn't mean he'll bite on the screen pass to edleman then edleman pass to amendola. Still haunts me

The team I think has the safeties on the back end to stop that now. Remember back then there was no Weddle, no Jefferson, and no Webb.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Hopefully that doesn't mean he'll bite on the screen pass to edleman then edleman pass to amendola. Still haunts me

A lot of players would've bit on that. Kudos to bill for having the stones to call that play in that moment and kudos to edelmandola for executing it to perfection 

[hn68wb4]

Read a couple pages here. Gotta love the attitude of "either you agree with me and dislike the pick or you're just biased," truly a winning attitude.

[RayRayRaven]

7 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 I'm not what you would call a Shareece Wright fan, but when comparing him to Humphrey I noticed that they both have decent speed, Humphrey 4.41 and Wright 4.46.  They also both have trouble with the deep ball and they both hit hard at the line of scrimmage.  They only difference that I see (and I don't watch film much) is that Humphrey is taller.  Of course I'm not there on the field as is Harbaugh or Pees, but with all due respect, somebody tell me what am I missing?

 

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 7:10 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I think he fully could play safety, but if you're a premiere corner talent, why would you play safety?

 

23 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone think he could be a serviceable safety?

anyways i was thar was in tampa for the national champship an watchd some guys play football that day watchd films of them befor and afta that game.  bama had a heckuv D the only thang they culdnt defend was play counts that climbd to 100 and top that was almost 2 ta 1.  theyd nevah seen a game like it that yr but for the champs game a yr earlier agains the same team  thars some good playas at bama and many of em r gonna play nfl football but the day of the champs game thar was one playa that was a fish outta water out there. he nevah knew what his role was. time afta time he stood out like a sored thumb. now they didna throw his way much cuz they didna throw to the cornar much put this playa did let in a long catch on a poor throwed ball and he PI'd on that throw. fact he PI'd on a cuple othas that wasnt review. he got caught twice for TDs on pic plays. the firse time ud think he learned but he didna now u can argue the zebs shulda called a fowl but they didna.  he got blowed off the ball sevral times and not only by linemans. wrs blew him up to.  he come up hard on a screen to blow up the ballcatcha but he drew air wiff a tackle reminds u of a florida gatar. he made lots of them plays in da otha films but he was surrounded by high qualty guys like Anderson a nd foster and fitzpatrik allan evans one guy i nevah saw much of in that game was nuther of r pics. doan think he played. anyways this guy that playd like a fish outta water was tabbed no draff on my bd. do not draff in any rd. do not draff if offered more pics do not draff with ur enemy teams pic like the steelers. do not draff if ur life depends on it. nevah nevah nevah draff and what do i  get hom and link to on our website when i get home Saturday?  what do i see that is beyon belief?  we the Baltimore ravens have draffed this no mindsat playa.  sometims life is jus plain redickulas. anyways if u have any doubt bout this guy heres the complete game. i watchd it again jus to be sur. the otha films made him look a lil betta but mostly gainst teams with less sceam. in the nfl they got lots of sceam but many of bamas rivels didna. now this is gonna be viewd as one guys opinon but thars not a lot of playas i give the don't draff tab to and like cleats elam he earnd it.  if u sayin he culd be a safety strong i wuld agree that is  his only chance but we draffed a corna and thars just nutin more to say bout that

2017 champs game and the wonderin corna

[rossihunter2]

Just an interesting thing that was brought up on mmqb: it seems that because of the depth at both corner and edge rusher a trend emerged whereby zone heavy teams took edge rushers and press-man/man coverage scheme teams took corners early on

it was an interesting nugget especially given we essentially emphasised both of those positions

[Sami84]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is supremely better at off coverage. Wright played off to play safe, Humphrey plays off to play aggressive. He plays off to diagnose the play and come downhill and blow up any short pass. 

He needs work, but Humphrey defends the short pass as well as any corner I've seen

 

For the most part, I'm hoping that weddle is designated on his side of the ball as over the top saftey help to help deal with his one but really important flaw.

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

 

anyways i was thar was in tampa for the national champship an watchd some guys play football that day watchd films of them befor and afta that game.  bama had a heckuv D the only thang they culdnt defend was play counts that climbd to 100 and top that was almost 2 ta 1.  theyd nevah seen a game like it that yr but for the champs game a yr earlier agains the same team  thars some good playas at bama and many of em r gonna play nfl football but the day of the champs game thar was one playa that was a fish outta water out there. he nevah knew what his role was. time afta time he stood out like a sored thumb. now they didna throw his way much cuz they didna throw to the cornar much put this playa did let in a long catch on a poor throwed ball and he PI'd on that throw. fact he PI'd on a cuple othas that wasnt review. he got caught twice for TDs on pic plays. the firse time ud think he learned but he didna now u can argue the zebs shulda called a fowl but they didna.  he got blowed off the ball sevral times and not only by linemans. wrs blew him up to.  he come up hard on a screen to blow up the ballcatcha but he drew air wiff a tackle reminds u of a florida gatar. he made lots of them plays in da otha films but he was surrounded by high qualty guys like Anderson a nd foster and fitzpatrik allan evans one guy i nevah saw much of in that game was nuther of r pics. doan think he played. anyways this guy that playd like a fish outta water was tabbed no draff on my bd. do not draff in any rd. do not draff if offered more pics do not draff with ur enemy teams pic like the steelers. do not draff if ur life depends on it. nevah nevah nevah draff and what do i  get hom and link to on our website when i get home Saturday?  what do i see that is beyon belief?  we the Baltimore ravens have draffed this no mindsat playa.  sometims life is jus plain redickulas. anyways if u have any doubt bout this guy heres the complete game. i watchd it again jus to be sur. the otha films made him look a lil betta but mostly gainst teams with less sceam. in the nfl they got lots of sceam but many of bamas rivels didna. now this is gonna be viewd as one guys opinon but thars not a lot of playas i give the don't draff tab to and like cleats elam he earnd it.  if u sayin he culd be a safety strong i wuld agree that is  his only chance but we draffed a corna and thars just nutin more to say bout that

2017 champs game and the wonderin corna

 

Disgraceful, if this board wasn't closing you should be banned, not for an opinion but simply this abuse of the english language.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Disgraceful, if this board wasn't closing you should be banned, not for an opinion but simply this abuse of the english language.

Thankyou

[Sami84]

Positives-

1- Best tackler of all corners in the draft

2-Best screen destroyer of all corners in draft

3- Great Length and size

4- Short memory- doesn't get rattled

5-When the play is infront of him he's as reliable as they come

6: Jams receiver as well as any DB in this draft. Disrupts routes often.

7: SS and FS potential

 

negative

1- Hip movement. It's more technique based than anything

2- The big one, when his back is turned his timing if off and doesn't have good awareness of where the ball is..this is when the ball is always thrown deep. If he was slightly better here he WOULD be the number one corner in the draft. For me, this is a BIG deal and the main reason why I had a second round grade on him. Along with tackling, deep man coverage is the most important attribute for a first round corner.

3- Sometimes doesn't seem to play to his speed because he doesn't use his hips right and some WR's will have a head start and better acceleration due to being running forward rather than turning. Needs to mirror and become more fluid in turning. 

 

overall- Seems likea a hybrid CB/SS. If he can improve his hip technique and man coverage he will not only stick with his man he'll be C-Mac BUT this has to be something which is a real priority for our DB coaches.

 

this is NOT matt elam . This is a guy that has a high ceiling but with some flaws that could have scared teams off drafting him in the first.  

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:56 AM by Sami84

[Static]

Anyone with doubt should watch Marlon shutdown this years #9 pick  by the Bengals. 

 

 

 

 

John Ross ended with 5catches for 28yards.

Look at 00:25. He put them PAWS on him. He didn't want it lol.

AT 1:02 he gets blocked from making the tackle but takes a good angle and affects the play plus keep John from getting the outside edge that he wants.

1:28 watch how well he mirrors and runs with that 4.22

 

 

The way he mirrors Ross at 1:02 is impressive. He takes 3 steps to get 5 yards out and Ross takes 6. Plus at the 5 yard line he still is a good bit a head of him.

Edited Tuesday at 04:35 AM by Static

[Passepartout]

Will be ready to play. As really like the young man so far.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 4/30/2017 at 3:32 AM, arnie_uk said:

Purplehorseman is really pushing him as an ss. 

1

Because he doesn't have quick twitch muscle?

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, Sami84 said:

For the most part, I'm hoping that weddle is designated on his side of the ball as over the top saftey help to help deal with his one but really important flaw.

Luckily for us, that has been our scheme ever since jimmy stepped up. Isolate jimmy and clutter everything away from him, tighten up windows and give safety help. Along with the occasional safety blitz/zone blitz/fire blitz

[Tru11]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Luckily for us, that has been our scheme ever since jimmy stepped up. Isolate jimmy and clutter everything away from him, tighten up windows and give safety help. Along with the occasional safety blitz/zone blitz/fire blitz

pretty much.

not sure why people think this is something new.

Reed played single high alot after moving to FS for us covering the deep ball even with poor corners.

[RayRayRaven]

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

For the most part, I'm hoping that weddle is designated on his side of the ball as over the top saftey help to help deal with his one but really important flaw.

one really important flaw? jus one

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Disgraceful, if this board wasn't closing you should be banned, not for an opinion but simply this abuse of the english language.

 

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Positives-

1- Best tackler of all corners in the draft

sayed the same bout cleats and he has dat same run downhil but not uphil game.

2-Best screen destroyer of all corners in draft

when he doan get blockd and he a body throwa jus like cleats

3- Great Length and size

4- Short memory- doesn't get rattled

mayb calls out what am I suppos to do here to really scary

5-When the play is infront of him he's as reliable as they come

yah less thatg playa is quik

6: Jams receiver as well as any DB in this draft. Disrupts routes often.

yah he get in face and sometim gets his hans on da playa and sometims gets left flatfoot

7: SS and FS potential

thang u mean residual value somethin mayb he can do when he canna do the main thing

 

negative

1- Hip movement. It's more technique based than anything

2- The big one, when his back is turned his timing if off and doesn't have good awareness of where the ball is..this is when the ball is always thrown deep. If he was slightly better here he WOULD be the number one corner in the draft. For me, this is a BIG deal and the main reason why I had a second round grade on him. Along with tackling, deep man coverage is the most important attribute for a first round corner.

3- Sometimes doesn't seem to play to his speed because he doesn't use his hips right and some WR's will have a head start and better acceleration due to being running forward rather than turning. Needs to mirror and become more fluid in turning. 

 

overall- Seems likea a hybrid CB/SS. If he can improve his hip technique and man coverage he will not only stick with his man he'll be C-Mac BUT this has to be something which is a real priority for our DB coaches.

 

this is NOT matt elam . This is a guy that has a high ceiling but with some flaws that could have scared teams off drafting him in the first.  

 

the potenshal for position chg and tacklin is why you was quoted you call flaws and then sayed nevahmind them. I doan rememba you callin elams flaws before he playd nfl, you jumpd on the banwagon but thar was guys callin elam out befor he evar playd nfl and you wont one. opinon is one thang but good observshons come closa to facts. when someons talkin facts othas thang is opinon thats where the rubba meet the road

7 hours ago, Static said:

Anyone with doubt should watch Marlon shutdown this years #9 pick  by the Bengals. 

 

 

 

 

John Ross ended with 5catches for 28yards.

Look at 00:25. He put them PAWS on him. He didn't want it lol.

AT 1:02 he gets blocked from making the tackle but takes a good angle and affects the play plus keep John from getting the outside edge that he wants.

1:28 watch how well he mirrors and runs with that 4.22

 

 

The way he mirrors Ross at 1:02 is impressive. He takes 3 steps to get 5 yards out and Ross takes 6. Plus at the 5 yard line he still is a good bit a head of him.

u do realiz you are quotin a game team held to one td that d was all ovah them theres pleny of plays in dat game film whar ross has left humpf in his diaper and the qb canna get him da ball or threw it wild as sami say humpf can rely tackl though. humpf set a recard tackln in this game wil stand for yrs who did humpf beat out for da tackln record?

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Luckily for us, that has been our scheme ever since jimmy stepped up. Isolate jimmy and clutter everything away from him, tighten up windows and give safety help. Along with the occasional safety blitz/zone blitz/fire blitz

now we gotta sceam for our numba 1 corna. it might work if the rest of r d can play like bama vs washton

Edited Tuesday at 12:07 PM by RayRayRaven

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

pretty much.

not sure why people think this is something new.

Reed played single high alot after moving to FS for us covering the deep ball even with poor corners.

I think we've just seen a resurgence since signing weddle, our safety play has been so much better that we notice the effects when before we just saw the safeties as liabilities 

[Sami84]

5 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

one really important flaw? jus one

 

the potenshal for position chg and tacklin is why you was quoted you call flaws and then sayed nevahmind them. I doan rememba you callin elams flaws before he playd nfl, you jumpd on the banwagon but thar was guys callin elam out befor he evar playd nfl and you wont one. opinon is one thang but good observshons come closa to facts. when someons talkin facts othas thang is opinon thats where the rubba meet the road

u do realiz you are quotin a game team held to one td that d was all ovah them theres pleny of plays in dat game film whar ross has left humpf in his diaper and the qb canna get him da ball or threw it wild as sami say humpf can rely tackl though. humpf set a recard tackln in this game wil stand for yrs who did humpf beat out for da tackln record?

now we gotta sceam for our numba 1 corna. it might work if the rest of r d can play like bama vs washton

 

 

Firstly, I said matt elam was an awful tackler from day 1. I was his number one hater. Anyone here can tesitify to this, even before he played a snap.

Secondly, every single scout, from NDT to PFF to walterfootball all say what I have said. Same with Vach Lombardi. HIs tackling form and his length is a whole different league to elam. Elam was pathetic, undersized with T-rex arms.