2017 NFL Draft Day 1 "Game Thread"

[jazz1988]

4 hours ago, jdynamite said:

 

He was cleared and deemed healthy!  He has some arthritis in shoulder, no team gave him a failed physical or report.  

Every year the nonsense happens where some player has some issue that teams fear or he has degenerative knee that hasn't cost him yet but it will ( D.Bowers ). 

 

 

 

If Allen medicals were as good as we thought then I don't think he would have fell. The Bengals drafted John Ross over Jonathan Allen so I think that may tell you and others something. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Was it Best Player Available, or a reach draft for need, ie Matt Elam?

[jdynamite]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

I mean, a year ago today we were crying how we never spend a top 1-2 round pick on a cornerback. Brandon Carr is decent, not great. Plus he's 30. Jimmy smith can't finish a season. As great as tavon played, he's still a 5'8 nickel corner. I get the pick. I have a feeling Derek Barnett and hasson reddick was our 2 main defensive targets. But they got snatched up. I can live with this. Hopefully the draft falls in our favor and we grab a WR, pass rush, and OL with our 3 day 2 picks.  

 

It's not about just drafting a Corner 1st round. This draft  has tremendous depth at corner, trading back and adding a pick then getting him I would have been okay with.  

But for his lack of ball skills, I would have been fine getting T.white, A.Jackson, K.King, several spots later and gaining an extra pick. 

T.White and A.Jackson would have also filled the Returner position day 1. 

[jdynamite]

13 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

If Allen medicals were as good as we thought then I don't think he would have fell. The Bengals drafted John Ross over Jonathan Allen so I think that may tell you and others something. 

 

Didnt the entire league pass on M.Jack last year for it to come out his knee isn't as bad as once thought a week after the draft. 

I'd classify Ross going there as a team panicking to get a WR since they lost 2 last year.  I don't feel any of the WRs were worthy of Top10 picks, but I thought the first would go to Buffalo at 10, instead all 3 went in the top 10. 

 

Teams know it's a deep defensive draft panicked and overdrafted 2 QBs and 3 WRs in the top 15 pushing down much better prospects. 

[jdynamite]

30 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Can't forget about Jarrett Johnson who may not have been elite but  was a pretty good player for The Ravens. 

lol I said recent Bama picks. Jarrett Johnson is well over a decade ago.  The same fans that loved his lunchpail mentalty hated Upshaw for the same exact play. 

 

But if I were digging deep like that I'd give him credit for finding Le'Ron McClain too. 

 

[Tru11]

our defense goes to hell every time jimmy goes down , so we draft the guy closest to jimmy and people are upset lol.

jimmy has same issues early is his career giving up big plays and he fixed it well.

humphrey will be on the same team as jimmy so he is actually in the best position he can be to learn from the guy his game is similar to.

 

 

[JoeCool1983]

I was really hoping for Barnett.  I really wanted the Ravens to pick up an edge rusher, but that didn't happen.  While I wasn't overwhelmed by the Humphrey pick, I was not disappointed either.  My thought is Cornerbacks come at a premium in this league.  You can never have enough Cornerbacks.  With Bryant, Green, and now Ross to worry about, we need to be able to cover all the good receivers we face in the AFC North.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, reed20 said:

Why would I talk about something that happened 5 years ago in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with that superbowl? Am I supposed to make sure to bring up Flacco cussing after the superbowl everytime someone does something ignorant?

It's relevant to the subject at hand since you apparently can't tolerate any kind of cussing at all. 

Im very foul mouthed, can't help it. But I'm far from a moron and do well for myself and am also a decent person. 

You have idiotic standards for judging humanity and you should just stop on the subject because you look foolish and you're pissing people off by judging a young man overcome with emotion after fulfilling a major promise to his grandmother who he lost

[reed20]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's relevant to the subject at hand since you apparently can't tolerate any kind of cussing at all. 

Im very foul mouthed, can't help it. But I'm far from a moron and do well for myself and am also a decent person. 

You have idiotic standards for judging humanity and you should just stop on the subject because you look foolish and you're pissing people off by judging a young man overcome with emotion after fulfilling a major promise to his grandmother who he lost

Cool.

[jazz1988]

3 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

 

Didnt the entire league pass on M.Jack last year for it to come out his knee isn't as bad as once thought a week after the draft. 

I'd classify Ross going there as a team panicking to get a WR since they lost 2 last year.  I don't feel any of the WRs were worthy of Top10 picks, but I thought the first would go to Buffalo at 10, instead all 3 went in the top 10. 

 

Teams know it's a deep defensive draft panicked and overdrafted 2 QBs and 3 WRs in the top 15 pushing down much better prospects. 

 

Myles Jack knee situation is considered to be a  chondral defect which is a  cartilage issue that could shorten Jack career.Imagine how bad off this guy could be if he tears his acl or some other serious injury happens  to his knee while playing football. Teams aren't prefect but they pay doctors alot of money to check on these players health before the draft but Myle Jack knee issue is a serious issue even right now. The Bengals drafted  Tyler Boyd in the second round last year and re-signed Brandon Lafell so they weren't seriously hurting for depth at the position even though they still needed more talent there. I was surprised to see some of the receivers go earlier especially when I saw Corey Davis get drafted so high.

 

Maybe The Bengal choosing  to draft John Ross was a panic move but pass rusher was a  need for them and they  passed up on a top 5 talent in Jonathan Allen who could have helped in that area for a wide receiver who had medical concerns as well. The only difference between Ross  and Allen medicals is that Allen situation maybe more of a long term issue and may never go away.

[JoeyFlex5]

34 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

our defense goes to hell every time jimmy goes down , so we draft the guy closest to jimmy and people are upset lol.

jimmy has same issues early is his career giving up big plays and he fixed it well.

humphrey will be on the same team as jimmy so he is actually in the best position he can be to learn from the guy his game is similar to.

 

 

I've seen the jimmy smith comp from day one, but jimmy had to develop a lot to be who he is now, so we're banking on a big development. I think Humphrey has a chance to be really special but there's also a chance that he struggles badly for a good amount of time. 

[Cillmatic]

I'm not mad anymore. The fans wanted speed on defense, we now have speed on the defense. If Marlon can fix his deep ball he's automatically the second best CB of our division. Every other part of his game is actually really good. Worst case scenerio we move him to FS. I can't remember the last first round pick that this forum liked.

Who's left on the board?

[Cillmatic]

13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen the jimmy smith comp from day one, but jimmy had to develop a lot to be who he is now, so we're banking on a big development. I think Humphrey has a chance to be really special but there's also a chance that he struggles badly for a good amount of time. 

Jimmy took so long to develop because he was constantly injuried and somewhat lazy. Marlon is the exact opposite of that.

[Cillmatic]

I'm just glad we have another CB who hopefully won't get roasted by AJ Green and Brown. Marlon is also the only player we have on defense who's even remotely able to keep up with John Ross. We probably have the best secondary in the league now. If the pass rush can show up then we have something special. At this point we just need the offense to be decent to good. Praying we get Zay Jones.

Edited April 28 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Jimmy took so long to develop because he was constantly injuried and somewhat lazy. Marlon is the exact opposite of that.

I know but he also wasn't nearly as raw. He had similar issues but marlons are a lot more pronounced. 

I have faith in the pick. I think we now have the best secondary in the league and the best run d in the league, you can win with that. Our edge guys can pin their ears back now and we have a secondary to help them get there.

[Tru11]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen the jimmy smith comp from day one, but jimmy had to develop a lot to be who he is now, so we're banking on a big development. I think Humphrey has a chance to be really special but there's also a chance that he struggles badly for a good amount of time. 

True but good thing he is on the same team as jimmy lol.

If both are willing then it should cut the time it takes for humphrey to develop.

i could see jimmy mentoring him and trying to get him up the speed as soon as possible.
being similar is big plus in this area.

also having weddle and jefferson at safety should be a huge bonus as well.

im really looking forward to how this secondary will play out.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Was it Best Player Available, or a reach draft for need, ie Matt Elam?

" quality depth" and, " a need pick" according to presser. Was also stated he was the best player on our board, " by far".

I can't help thinking that Ozzie of old would never have passed on OJ Howard. Even if we didn't " need" a tight end.

 

[Edgar]

33 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I'm not mad anymore. The fans wanted speed on defense, we now have speed on the defense. If Marlon can fix his deep ball he's automatically the second best CB of our division. Every other part of his game is actually really good. Worst case scenerio we move him to FS. I can't remember the last first round pick that this forum liked.

Who's left on the board?

I think he would make a really great safety...see him more as a strong safety, though.

[Moderator 3]

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[OUravensfan]

6 hours ago, jdynamite said:

I can't believe all 3 WRs (Davis, Williams and Ross ) went in the top 10. 

After Davis and Williams went my mind went to defense lol. 

Same. I knew the Chargers would get Williams 

[trevorsteadman]

 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen the jimmy smith comp from day one, but jimmy had to develop a lot to be who he is now, so we're banking on a big development. I think Humphrey has a chance to be really special but there's also a chance that he struggles badly for a good amount of time. 

@JoeyFlex5 you also have to take into account how bad the secondary was when Jimmy Smith was drafted. I think Jimmy Smith had big shoes to fill. When you look at Marlon Humphrey who do you have behind him? Eric Weddle, Tony Jefferson, or Lardarius Webb. The Ravens don't need an elite guy on the outside day one, they need someone better than Shareece Wright and also someone who has the intangibles and size to fill in for Jimmy Smith when he goes down because the team was hurt by that last season.

Not my favorite pick for the Ravens to take there but I actually really like the upside. I know it wasn't a position of need but I like adding to the deepest secondary in the league. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

 

@JoeyFlex5 you also have to take into account how bad the secondary was when Jimmy Smith was drafted. I think Jimmy Smith had big shoes to fill. When you look at Marlon Humphrey who do you have behind him? Eric Weddle, Tony Jefferson, or Lardarius Webb. The Ravens don't need an elite guy on the outside day one, they need someone better than Shareece Wright and also someone who has the intangibles and size to fill in for Jimmy Smith when he goes down because the team was hurt by that last season.

Not my favorite pick for the Ravens to take there but I actually really like the upside. I know it wasn't a position of need but I like adding to the deepest secondary in the league. 

True, but he did have ed reed. It's just our secondary overall that was bad. Plus the way our defense is set up puts marlon in a great position. We isolate jimmy and flood the rest of the secondary to one side of the field, making extremely tight throwing lanes and when you have guys like weddle, Jeff, and Tavon flooding that half of the field, you have a great iq safety, an extremely athletic slot guy with incredible ball skills, and an enforcer to lay big hits. All you need is a passable corner to actually play at the line and cover one guy within 10 yards and suddenly you can't throw anywhere. Humphrey will get targeted often, but the qb will have to be perfect every time and so will the window, causing a delayed read by the qb and giving Humphrey the upper hand

[redlobster]

Lol just heard Chris Simms say the most disappointing part of the draft " Baltimore Ravens drafting Marlon Humphrey at 16" stated that he is not a corner in the NFL, possibly a FS but didn't even have him valued as a first round pick.

 

Obviously one mans opinion , though.

Edited April 28 by redlobster

[Sami84]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

" quality depth" and, " a need pick" according to presser. Was also stated he was the best player on our board, " by far".

I can't help thinking that Ozzie of old would never have passed on OJ Howard. Even if we didn't " need" a tight end.

 

 

i'd rather he just lied than be a flat out idiot..best player ''by far'' ? 

I'll bet if he played at LSU he wouldn't even be on their board.

[The Mom Gene]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

thats allen. as far as i know howard is pretty clean medically

He has some character issues......

[The Mom Gene]

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

arthritis was allen not howard i thought...

2 of those guys have had shoulder issues...  the other has some character issues.

I'm happy we went where we did.

 

[The Mom Gene]

I just wanted to say...  You guys sure know how to make a guy feel welcome to Bmore... 

Listening to the analysts this morning...  ALL OF THEM believe that this is a GOOD and a SOLID pick.

[The Mom Gene]

17 minutes ago, redlobster said:

Lol just heard Chris Simms say the most disappointing part of the draft " Baltimore Ravens drafting Marlon Humphrey at 16" stated that he is not a corner in the NFL, possibly a FS but didn't even have him valued as a first round pick.

 

Obviously one mans opinion , though.

Chris Simms????  Really???  I do not value his opinion on draft picks.  Sorry.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

He has some character issues......

That's foster lol. 

Oj howard was clean as a whistle unless there is something that slipped through the cracks

[redlobster]

7 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Chris Simms????  Really???  I do not value his opinion on draft picks.  Sorry.

Of course not, it doesn't conform with Ozzie and Harbough and unless you know something all of us don't OJ Howard had no character issues.