[News] Late For Work 4/25: Eight Draft Prospects Most Often Mocked To Ravens

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Mike Mayock listing Teez in the 80's on his top 100 list.......
ITS OFFICIAL, the entire draft community has gone insane when it comes to Tabor.
The guy is a top 15 talent and a first round pick in any draft. Top 4 corner in this draft easily. Whoever gets him is going to get THE steal of the draft. It just proves how bonkers people go in this pre-draft process. Just watch the tape! When the first mocks came out before the ridiculous pre draft process, I saw multiple people mocking Teez to the Titans....at #5 OVERALL. The guy is a playmaker, and has been his entire football career. I really hope we draft Teez Tabor. Pairing Tabor with Tavon, Jimmy, TJ, and Weddle for multiple years sounds amazing. Grabbing King as Weddle's successor would be amazing as well.

These are 5 names I hope are Baltimore Ravens after Friday is done.

Carl Lawson
Ju Ju Smith
Teez Tabor
Desmond King
Pat Elfein

Perine in the 4th would be SWEET as well.

If we added those 6 names, and another lineman, I have no doubt we would have THE best roster in the NFL.
Our coaching is a different story...............which is slightly important.

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Just noticed Carl Lawson isn't even on Mayock's top 100 list. He was being mocked late 1rst for a while. Now I guess his stock has been dropping. His NFL draft profile has a 3rd round projection. Yet, I think I saw PFF has him as the 12th best player overall. Interesting. Looks like he's going anywhere from late 1 to the third. Crazy Draft. It's almost time!

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13 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

Great post. Couldn't have said it any better. Howard is a monster but it just doesn't make sense

[Grapple Raven]

Still hoping for Zay Jones!

[Halshayeji]

16 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Could be the only player the Ravens might trade up for, we have been discussing this on other threads. Many don't agree with the trade at 7- 11. But I cannot see him dropping that ow. So could the Ravens make a play, it would be costly and probably too costly, but at 7 I would make a call and try. I'm with you, but its risky and outside the box. Jacket will tell you

I'm with you guys on this one. Fournette would demand 8 man boxes on a regular basis and relieve so much pressure off Flacco. That said, moving all the way up to 7 would cost a ransome. Sure make the call but realistically, we can't afford to move up much higher than 12. If he falls to 12 then it's a real possibility. If fournette goes in the top 8 then don't break your heart over it. It just wasn't meant to be 

Edited April 26 by Halshayeji

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  14 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

Great post. Couldn't have said it any better. Howard is a monster but it just doesn't make sense

-Watson is how old? and coming off an Achilles. And just had one stand out year when Brees was throwing to him
- My sister blocks better than Pitta. He led all te's in catches because a 3 yard pass to Pitta was all Joe could see on 3rd and 7. Not having PItta would be great for Joe, yet many think the opposite. Not durable, can't block at all, and overrated as a receiver
-I like Gilmore but he is of no use to the Ravens if he can't stay on the field
- Maxx has done absolutely nothing since being a 2nd round pick. And don't tell me he broke records, look at his stats. Probably another recent high pick bust
- Boyle is solid but nothing special, and was suspended
- and Waller is absolutely nothing to rely on

OJ Howard is the best TE I've ever seen come out along with Vernon Davis. He would help the pass game, the run game, and be a much needed red zone threat. Most people have him as a top 10 talent in this insane draft, and some have mocked him as high as 4 overall. I understand the pass rushing, wr, and oline needs, but as you said, Howard is a monster. And if we drafted him he would most likely be the BPA. I totally understand what you're saying, but if he ended up being our Gronk, I wouldn't be mad at all. He has all the attributes, and he is even quite a bit faster than Gronk. If we passed on Barnett for Howard, I would not be happy. Aside from that, if he makes it to 16, he has a great chance of being the BPA

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  14 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

Great post. Couldn't have said it any better. Howard is a monster but it just doesn't make sense

I just responded to this. With a different thought than I just responded with, if Howard slips to 18.......that could mean a very nice package deal to trade down, if a playoff team freaks out and trades up for him

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I'm certainly not disputing that OJ is an animal. I probably like him more than you do.

watson is probably gone and pitta shouldn't even be asked to block. Pitta is still a top 10 TE in this league so let's get used to it. It wasn't pittas fault that Coordinators drew up horrible plays at horrible times. Nor was it his fault that Flacco threw him the ball. 

Gilmore and Williams were second and third rounders. Just giving up on them because they got hurt is counter productive.

Sure Howard might be a bit of an upgrade from who we have but the opportunity cost is us not addressing a greater need. A pass rusher, WR, Lineman, and even a ILB would help this team more. Than an upgrade at TE.

thats all were trying to say...

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I'm certainly not disputing that OJ is an animal. I probably like him more than you do.

watson is probably gone and pitta shouldn't even be asked to block. Pitta is still a top 10 TE in this league so let's get used to it. It wasn't pittas fault that Coordinators drew up horrible plays at horrible times. Nor was it his fault that Flacco threw him the ball. 

Gilmore and Williams were second and third rounders. Just giving up on them because they got hurt is counter productive.

Sure Howard might be a bit of an upgrade from who we have but the opportunity cost is us not addressing a greater need. A pass rusher, WR, Lineman, and even a ILB would help this team more. Than an upgrade at TE.

thats all were trying to say...

I hear ya. I know what you're saying. And I agree more with you about not talking Howard, than doing so, but I wouldn't be mad if we did.
Calling Pitta a top 10 TE means nothing. Him not being able to block is a serious giveaway on plays, and a handicap. Whether he blocks, or doesn't block on the play. It's not like he's enough of a receiving threat to dismiss the fact he does take up a TE spot, and can't block at all.
Williams is useless. And I'm not saying I'd cut him
If we drafted Howard, Gilmore would still be the # 2 te. Then we would actually have 2 real te's, that can block and catch. Boyle would be an awesome 4 and good back up and special teamer.

Once again. I totally hear what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it. But we don't have 1 true TE on the roster that we can rely on. Especially one that is a big time difference maker. I don't think that's even debatable

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I'm certainly not disputing that OJ is an animal. I probably like him more than you do.

watson is probably gone and pitta shouldn't even be asked to block. Pitta is still a top 10 TE in this league so let's get used to it. It wasn't pittas fault that Coordinators drew up horrible plays at horrible times. Nor was it his fault that Flacco threw him the ball. 

Gilmore and Williams were second and third rounders. Just giving up on them because they got hurt is counter productive.

Sure Howard might be a bit of an upgrade from who we have but the opportunity cost is us not addressing a greater need. A pass rusher, WR, Lineman, and even a ILB would help this team more. Than an upgrade at TE.

thats all were trying to say...

Just playing devil's advocate
And while I believe our TE group has depth, it lacks reliability or 1 true complete TE that can stay on the field.
I'm on the Barnett or Davis, or trade down boat

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in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

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If Barnett and Davis were healthy for the pre draft process, they would both be top 10 locks. That fact that one could slip to us is amazing. Talk about BPA meets need

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in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

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The rising Raiders just snagged Beast Mode..........maybe we should draft Foster.......

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  5 hours ago, thecommish said:

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

Sizzlingdoom....

I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE.
I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is)

We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier.
We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them)

Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can.

Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either.

Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position.

Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player.

I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue.

We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL.

If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

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  20 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  20 hours ago, thecommish said:

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

Sizzlingdoom....

I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE.
I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is)

We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier.
We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them)

Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can.

Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either.

Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position.

Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player.

I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue.

We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL.

If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

I'm looking at Barnett, Davis, or a trade down. I would not be mad if we picked Howard though. There are maybe a single handful of tight ends that are difference makers in the NFL. Howard would step in day 1 and be 1.
Calling our te core a top 10 one in the NFL is kinda laughable. It has the potential to be very good, but potential is all it's been. All we had on the field last year was an overrated pass catcher who can't block at all, Pitta. Not a real tight end. All the other guys from our "top 10" position group were either, suspended, hurt, "not strong enough"- our second round pick isn't strong enough in his second year in the league. That says something and is incredibly sad.
I was excited about our te group last year, then it ended up being one of the very weakest groups on the team and a handicap for the team at that.
Just thinking about it if we did go Howard, you still don't have to give up on people. Howard is absurd.
Say with our picks we went, Howard, Pass rusher, corner, lineman....and so, and didn't really add a high pick wr. Then, if Gilmore would get his butt on the field, this "2 te" set sounds great.:
Wallace and Pitta out wide, with Gilmore and Howard as te's, and Dixon in the backfield (once he gets back). - That would be a dynamic and versatile passing and running set up.
All in all, it's not about potential, it's about proving it. And our te group was a serious weak spot on this team last year. "top 10 in a position group"??? Really? Cmon man. And please don't try to back that up with Pitta's check down stats. We all know stats don't tell the true story

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  18 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  23 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  23 hours ago, thecommish said:

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

Sizzlingdoom....

I am not as ready to suggest that we don't have a single reliable TE.
I agree that we probably don't have a very complete TE (outside of Ben Watson but we don't know what he has left and how healthy he is)

We do have a sure handed TE in Pitta who should be a year healthier.
We do have a very good TE in Gilmore who can block and has shown the ability to move the chains. I am not ready to give up on him bc he was injured. (Gronk, Julius Thomas, Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham, Charles Clay, Vern Davis, and more have all missed significant playing time in their careers and many of them even last season. That don't mean that I wouldn't take any one of them)

Gilmore has shown that he has ability but got injured last season. That happens. Lets see if he is healthy and can take the next step. We have every reason to believe that he can.

Maxx has ability but his body was not NFL ready and he needed to add strength. He now has two seasons under his belt and his body has changed. I am not sure that I am quite ready to write him off yet either.

Waller... showed flashes of high end ability last season and flashes of why he may never live up to his potential... but changing positions is tough / doing it the NFL is crazy. The learning curve is steep and he does have a very high ceiling. This year should mean marked improvement for him as he has a year experience at the new position.

Boyle..... TBH he looked better then Gilmore but he is a risk bc of his PED use. If he can stay on the field... he has shown the ability to not just block but move the chains. He will fight for those tough yards and he brings an attitude to that offense. Problem is... with such a full house at TE will he really get a chance ( and without a move to Fullback or Hback- I don't think he will). Just too risky but not a bad player.

I think our biggest problem at TE is Joes reliance on the check down and his unwillingness stand in the pocket and go through his progressions. He wants to hurry up and dump the ball off to Pitta. (before Pitta even gets into his routes). This is a QB issue (and probably and OL issue) more then a TE issue.

We have weapons and versatility at TE. We have old guys with experience and young guys with ability We have question marks sure but we have depth and I would still rank our TE corps in the top 10 in the NFL.

If we are top ten in a position group (and very possibly higher) I not sure that Rd 1 is where you add to that group. Unless your team is stacked and has no other needs. That's not the case with the 2017 Ravens.

I'm looking at Barnett, Davis, or a trade down. I would not be mad if we picked Howard though. There are maybe a single handful of tight ends that are difference makers in the NFL. Howard would step in day 1 and be 1.
Calling our te core a top 10 one in the NFL is kinda laughable. It has the potential to be very good, but potential is all it's been. All we had on the field last year was an overrated pass catcher who can't block at all, Pitta. Not a real tight end. All the other guys from our "top 10" position group were either, suspended, hurt, "not strong enough"- our second round pick isn't strong enough in his second year in the league. That says something and is incredibly sad.
I was excited about our te group last year, then it ended up being one of the very weakest groups on the team and a handicap for the team at that.
Just thinking about it if we did go Howard, you still don't have to give up on people. Howard is absurd.
Say with our picks we went, Howard, Pass rusher, corner, lineman....and so, and didn't really add a high pick wr. Then, if Gilmore would get his butt on the field, this "2 te" set sounds great.:
Wallace and Pitta out wide, with Gilmore and Howard as te's, and Dixon in the backfield (once he gets back). - That would be a dynamic and versatile passing and running set up.
All in all, it's not about potential, it's about proving it. And our te group was a serious weak spot on this team last year. "top 10 in a position group"??? Really? Cmon man. And please don't try to back that up with Pitta's check down stats. We all know stats don't tell the true story

I think that Pitta check down stats is a bigger QB issue then a TE issue. Name 10 teams who have a better TE group. I really can NOT. I think I can come up with 6 legitimately.

Heck... I will even say that I think we at least have the # 1 TE group in our conference.

I think it legitimately is a top 10 group - I could make an argument for 6 possibly 7 teams having a better TE corps but thats it.

I just think our TE group is deep with experience, talent, youth and diversity. Were they healthy? No Watson missed the season, Pitta was coming off of two season ending injuries, Maxx was put on IR, Gilmore was also, Boyle was suspended most of the year. That is unlucky (with the exception of Boyle)

But throughout the NFL many TEs missed many games
1. Gronk missed half the season as he always does. Martellus Bennett missed a few games and yet most people would agree that was the # 1 TE group in the NFL

2. Eric Ebron for the Lions has shown to be very talented but has missed significant games in both of his two NFL seasons

3. Tyler Eifert....same

4. Jimmy Graham...same

5. Julius Thomas same (or worse)

6. Ladarius Green (same or worse)

7. Antonio Gates and Hunter Henry

8. Cameron Brate (Same)

9. Vernon Davis (same)

10. Jordan Reed

11. Gary Barnridge

12. Zach Ertz

(IDK... I think all of these guys have spent significant time on the injured list. I wouldnt write them off). In fact some like Gates and Gronk, Jimmy Graham and others seem to come back stronger every year).

Watson missed the season that dont make him horrible. Same as Gilmore or even Maxx. I think injuries are normal at the TE position... now that our group is healthy we are one of the most talented and deepest units in the NFL.

[thecommish]

The rising Raiders just snagged Beast Mode..........maybe we should draft Foster.......

Raiders are scary right now.... (as long as Carr is healthy)