[News] Late For Work 4/25: Eight Draft Prospects Most Often Mocked To Ravens

[mmcclend]

1 hour ago, axisofeeble said:

"If"-If- Browns would part with 12 & 64 for Joe Flacco we should pull the trigger. Sign Kapernick and fix offense&defense through 9 draft picks, 6 WR,LB,WR,CB all before 77th pick. Even Cutler could be stop gap for a year or two.

Posts like this are probably why this board is being shut down. Go play madden or something. 

[Orange_Peanut]

Our draft pick will be made predictable after the second overall pick is made. This is by far the most unpredictable draft I've seen.

[Swift 1]

1 hour ago, axisofeeble said:

"If"-If- Browns would part with 12 & 64 for Joe Flacco we should pull the trigger. Sign Kapernick and fix offense&defense through 9 draft picks, 6 WR,LB,WR,CB all before 77th pick. Even Cutler could be stop gap for a year or two.

What part of Pittsburgh are you from?

[EddiOK]

If certain key guys are gone by #16 (Davis, Williams, Foster, etc), I could easily see Oz pulling a trade, dropping down in the 1st to pick up yet another 3rd/4th.

[ellicottraven]

I agree that drafting an edge rusher might not be ideal because I doubt Barnett is there. So that begs the question, if all the desirable first round players regardless of position start going quickly, does it make sense for the Ravens to trade up and grab a generational talent like a Fournette that is going to transcend our offense into the elite category instantly assuming we get Nick Mangold and a serviceable RT that is adept at run blocking? Or do we just take the best player available regardless of position perhaps an O-lineman or one of the top 3 WRs??

[billiejean]

I agree that drafting an edge rusher might not be ideal because I doubt Barnett is there. So that begs the question, if all the desirable first round players regardless of position start going quickly, does it make sense for the Ravens to trade up and grab a generational talent like a Fournette that is going to transcend our offense into the elite category instantly assuming we get Nick Mangold and a serviceable RT that is adept at run blocking? Or do we just take the best player available regardless of position perhaps an O-lineman or one of the top 3 WRs??

The other option would be to trade back but we would most likely have to give up a few early rounders to move up and get Fournette. I also don't think drafting him will automatically make our offense elite.

[ellicottraven]

Just now, billiejean said:

The other option would be to trade back but we would most likely have to give up a few early rounders to move up and get Fournette. I also don't think drafting him will automatically make our offense elite.

I believe it will for 2 fundamental reasons. First Fournette is a beast that can plough through defenses a la Peterson. And second, it'll afford Joe the opportunity to just hand the ball over to him in short yardage situations knowing a first down is a likely outcome and will help Joe realize his potential in the play action game. Joe can be deadly with Fournette in tow imo.

[eze17]

Still have a feeling that we trade back into the mid-twenties of the 1st for an extra 3rd rounder, pick best available pass rusher(really deep class of prospects this year), WR in 2nd (Ju JU Smith,maybe?), BPA with 2 picks in 3rd,( but with an eye out for O-line, CB and ILB), trade remaining 3rd for extra picks on third day of draft.

[rmcjacket23]

19 hours ago, axisofeeble said:

"If"-If- Browns would part with 12 & 64 for Joe Flacco we should pull the trigger. Sign Kapernick and fix offense&defense through 9 draft picks, 6 WR,LB,WR,CB all before 77th pick. Even Cutler could be stop gap for a year or two.

I already clearly outlined in another thread how financially this doesn't work from a salary cap perspective. Not only could you not afford to sign other either of those QBs, you'd have to cut a lot of players in order to make that trade.

Guys like Wallace, Yanda, Suggs, etc. would all have to be cut from the team in order to make this trade work.

 

[J.O.14]

A part of me hopes Rueben Foster is on the board at 16. I would love for him to be apart of our defense. But, I'd also like to see us have a shot at Mike Williams or Corey Davis. I also wouldn't mind a pass rusher. I wouldn't be happy with an OL, because of the reported weakness of the class, but if we do select one I guess I will be okay. The FO is doing a ton of homework and if they feel comfortable, I'll be comfortable.

[ellicottraven]

25 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Still have a feeling that we trade back into the mid-twenties of the 1st for an extra 3rd rounder, pick best available pass rusher(really deep class of prospects this year), WR in 2nd (Ju JU Smith,maybe?), BPA with 2 picks in 3rd,( but with an eye out for O-line, CB and ILB), trade remaining 3rd for extra picks on third day of draft.

If they have a willing partner and the likes of Fournette, Davis, Williams, Barnett, Robinson and Foster are all taken then surely they trade down if they have an opportunity.

[Bruce_Almty]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

If we trade back ... O-lineman here we come.

[JD08]

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

[bigcatfrank1]

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

The other option would be to trade back but we would most likely have to give up a few early rounders to move up and get Fournette. I also don't think drafting him will automatically make our offense elite.

I believe it will for 2 fundamental reasons. First Fournette is a beast that can plough through defenses a la Peterson. And second, it'll afford Joe the opportunity to just hand the ball over to him in short yardage situations knowing a first down is a likely outcome and will help Joe realize his potential in the play action game. Joe can be deadly with Fournette in tow imo.

Could be the only player the Ravens might trade up for, we have been discussing this on other threads. Many don't agree with the trade at 7- 11. But I cannot see him dropping that ow. So could the Ravens make a play, it would be costly and probably too costly, but at 7 I would make a call and try. I'm with you, but its risky and outside the box. Jacket will tell you

[20306cab]

"If"-If- Browns would part with 12 & 64 for Joe Flacco we should pull the trigger. Sign Kapernick and fix offense&defense through 9 draft picks, 6 WR,LB,WR,CB all before 77th pick. Even Cutler could be stop gap for a year or two.

Why the heck would the Browns give up ANYTHING, let alone a 12 & 64, for PJ? They ALREADY stink!

[bigcatfrank1]

  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  3 hours ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

I agree with most of what you said, good comments.
You know my 2 additions , it could be a trade up or trade back kind of year.
Trade up for Fournette- which I know you absolutely do not agree with
Trade down take Robinson- which you seem to leave out of your equations.

who do you think the pick would be with a trade back and how far down do you think Oz would go?

All that said; Davis is my first guess at 16, I would agree most ratings at 15 and above look to be a player that the Ravens would take except the QB's.

I think if next listed order players are Ramczyk, Ross, Humphrey, Bolles, Tim williams, Peppers and Robinson the ones left on the board the Ravens trade down. I'm not sure Foster is in the list.
man anything can happen,

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I agree with most of what you said, good comments.
You know my 2 additions , it could be a trade up or trade back kind of year.
Trade up for Fournette- which I know you absolutely do not agree with
Trade down take Robinson- which you seem to leave out of your equations.

who do you think the pick would be with a trade back and how far down do you think Oz would go?

All that said; Davis is my first guess at 16, I would agree most ratings at 15 and above look to be a player that the Ravens would take except the QB's.

I think if next listed order players are Ramczyk, Ross, Humphrey, Bolles, Tim williams, Peppers and Robinson the ones left on the board the Ravens trade down. I'm not sure Foster is in the list.
man anything can happen,

I don't think we'd have to trade down for Robinson. We could probably just take him at 16. If we're trading down, it might be for another Olineman, or for one of the many DE/OLBs that would be available in the early/mid 20s.

My guess is if we trade down it would be because the two WRs we deem worthy of that pick are gone, and maybe the top 1-2 Olineman are gone as well. I consider this unlikely. If there aren't any Olineman taken in the top 15, I think we'll take one, simply because we'd be getting the best guy at a group of positions in the entire draft based on how we grade them.

That's pretty rare to do in the middle of the 1st round.

[eze17]

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Watson is coming off a season long injury (and has yet to play a down for us), Pitta has been through however many injuries and considered fragile, Gilmore has suffered constant injuries and has yet to last a full NFL season, Williams was injured last year and pretty much has been unreliable his whole career, Boyle is one failed drug test from being kicked out of the league, and Waller is a converted WR with little experience at TE.(although he has looked promising.)

So, yes, if the the Raven's felt the BPA at whatever part of the draft was a TE, you take him. Too many injuries/question marks to feel comfortable, especially since we like using two-TE formations.

[rmcjacket23]

49 minutes ago, JD08 said:

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Well we have like 10 offensive lineman on the roster also... does that mean we shouldn't take one of them?

We have quantity. What we're not sure of is if we have quality. That applies to a lot of positions on this team right now.

[Ravensfansince03]

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Bro we have TE's but none of them have proved to be consistent nor game changing.

[steelcityraven]

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

If we trade back ... O-lineman here we come.

Yep.... I expect to get at least two OLmen in this draft.... I think if we trade back that makes our quest to beef up the OL easier and still allows us to hit an edge rusher, a WR and a CB

[steelcityraven]

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  2 hours ago, billiejean said:

The other option would be to trade back but we would most likely have to give up a few early rounders to move up and get Fournette. I also don't think drafting him will automatically make our offense elite.

I believe it will for 2 fundamental reasons. First Fournette is a beast that can plough through defenses a la Peterson. And second, it'll afford Joe the opportunity to just hand the ball over to him in short yardage situations knowing a first down is a likely outcome and will help Joe realize his potential in the play action game. Joe can be deadly with Fournette in tow imo.

Could be the only player the Ravens might trade up for, we have been discussing this on other threads. Many don't agree with the trade at 7- 11. But I cannot see him dropping that ow. So could the Ravens make a play, it would be costly and probably too costly, but at 7 I would make a call and try. I'm with you, but its risky and outside the box. Jacket will tell you

I think Cook will be the better NFL back? but that just me

[steelcityraven]

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, designermaryland said:

They have at least 2 gaping holes on the O line with no quality starting caliber replacements. You have at least 5 adequate to above average receivers/hybrids already on the roster. Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro, Waller, Woodhead. The immediate need is O line or DB. If they draft another WR thinking this is the answer to their offensive ineptness, I would not expect any improvement in the record this year.

If they do not grab at least 1 RT early, Flacco is going to be on his back or throwing a lot of incompletions to the wasted first round picks (assuming they take a WR) all year again. I am prepared to be underwhelmed by their selection in the first round. Guessing they will do something bizarre like draft a safety or RB, when there is absolutely no need.

1. A quality RT even interior lineman certainly doesn't need to be found exclusively in round 1 or even round 2. Could very easily see somebody taken in round 3 or 4 and come in play right away and play just fine. The guy we just let walk for a boatload of cash did this exact thing.

2. I don't think anybody can honestly say that Camp, Waller, or even Moore at this point have any track record whatsoever of being above average pass catchers in the NFL. They actually have to show that on the field at some point before they can come close to being given that label.

3. We're obviously not taking a first round pick just to fill an immediate need. Almost impossible to build a contending football team that way. You pick a player who you think can be a quality player for you for a decade.

If that's a safety, so be it. Eric Weddle ain't going to be here much longer, and if you wait to draft a safety until you absolutely need one, you'll be screwed, because its not really a position you can just walk off the bus and play well in as a rookie.

We could use upgrades at every single group of positions on this team, with the exception of QB. We are NOT set at Safety, Corner, ILB, OLB, Dline, WR, TE, or RB. We could use a better player and every single one of those positions, both now and certainly in the future.

You take the best guy that's there. Fans need to stop kidding themselves thinking that we're a draft away from being a SB contender.

I agree that you don't draft for current needs (at least shouldn't make a habit out of that) but instead you draft for the future!

I also agree that we are not drafting a QB this year.

I think that there are several positions that we are stocked well at and will not be looking to fill an immediate need or a future need with in this draft.

I think QB, TE, NT, DT are some of those positions

I believe that looking ahead (not this year) that OLB is our most glaring need but I can make an argument that we are not much better off at WR, OL or CB

I think CB and S at least have their fill right now... and as a result we will probably not look to make that draft pick in the first round (unless someone at that positions just blows you away and they fall to you)

i.e. if a Jumal Adams or Peppers somehow falls to us... we may feel that they are that special of a player that you go there anyways.

The problem with this draft is... this:
Do we feel that Peppers is more special at S then say Corey Davis is at WR or more special then Reuben Foster is at ILB or McKinley, Reddick, Ramczyk, Dalvin Cook, Lattimnore, Sid Jones, etc.

So then if you feel that one is not more special at their position but several can be super stars then you have to look at your team and say I have a future star either place... which does the team need more.

I do think there is enough talent in this draft that we simply may not be very clear on the BPA model and we may need to adapt and go with BPA + need = our next pick (believing that several picks could stars for years to come and someone who we could build around! (Not a bad problem to have BTW)

Thursday can get here soon enough! (and just for the record- I still think we trade back)

I agree with most of what you said, good comments.
You know my 2 additions , it could be a trade up or trade back kind of year.
Trade up for Fournette- which I know you absolutely do not agree with
Trade down take Robinson- which you seem to leave out of your equations.

who do you think the pick would be with a trade back and how far down do you think Oz would go?

All that said; Davis is my first guess at 16, I would agree most ratings at 15 and above look to be a player that the Ravens would take except the QB's.

I think if next listed order players are Ramczyk, Ross, Humphrey, Bolles, Tim williams, Peppers and Robinson the ones left on the board the Ravens trade down. I'm not sure Foster is in the list.
man anything can happen,

I really like Cam Robinson and the thought of him playing opposite Stanley for several years (with Yanda and Alex Lewis) would have me really excited about out future... So...while I left him out I am not against it.

I agree that Davis at 16 is most likely.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading back to late first or even early second (depends on what we could get in return) and grabbing Takkarist McKinley or Tim Williams with our first pick and loading up in the middle rounds

I really like Lamp too... and he may be a better fit then Robinson bc he don't have the off the field issues. Lamp can play G and we can slide A Lewis out to T or he can even play C and he is a mauler.

I would love to see us trade back and take Peppers also.... (I especially do not want to see Jabrill in a sqeelers uniform)

Finally I Love the thought of Reuben Foster but I kinda feel like that would be sending a statement that we have truly given up on KC. (not sure that the organization is ready to do that just yet?

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, JD08 said:

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Well we have like 10 offensive lineman on the roster also... does that mean we shouldn't take one of them?

We have quantity. What we're not sure of is if we have quality. That applies to a lot of positions on this team right now.

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

[rmcjacket23]

44 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

I seriously doubt both Watson and Pitta make this team. You're not likely to cut the young guys like Maxx or Gillmore, because you gain nothing financially from doing so. I think Pitta and Watson are competing for one roster spot.

My hunch is the only reason we haven't cut Watson is 1. we don't need the space yet and 2. he may not yet be medically cleared, so we can't outright release him without some sort of an injury settlement.

I ultimately don't think we will go TE in round 1, but if we're looking for playmakers in the passing game and both the receivers we like are gone, Howard makes some sense. All of our TEs bring something to the table, but none of them are true playmakers. 

[The Beak]

If we could find a partner trading down would seem like the best option , but at 16 dream pick =Barnett , most likely + Foster

[sizzlingdoom]

If we could find a partner trading down would seem like the best option , but at 16 dream pick =Barnett , most likely + Foster

agreed. I'd just replace Foster with Davis.
Dream 1 and 2 for me is
Barnett then Ju Ju

[sizzlingdoom]

  12 hours ago, JD08 said:

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Bro we have TE's but none of them have proved to be consistent nor game changing.

Very True. Along with Vernon Davis, Howard is the best TE I've ever seen coming out of college too. I wouldn't be surprised or mad if we took him at 16. He'll probably be off the board though. I would hate it if we took the Miami TE at 16 though

[sizzlingdoom]

Trade down 10 spots unless Davis or Barnett are there at 16.
After trading down, make sure we grab Lawson and Ju Ju with our first 2 picks

[sizzlingdoom]

Ideal draft without any trades-
1. Barnett
2. Ju Ju
3. Teez Tabor
3. Pat Elfein
4. Olineman- Johnson from FSU
5. Samaje Perine
6. ILB

If we pulled that off.............................