BmoreBird22's Final Mock Draft

[RavensFanMania]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

If it were on talent alone, I'd have him going two overall and no later than four, but if teams are really that concerned that he won't hold up, he'll slide.

I currently have him going to the bears in my first mock, but I always edit a day before the draft 

[BmoreBird22]

37 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I currently have him going to the bears in my first mock, but I always edit a day before the draft 

Bears are apparently locked into a secondary player.

[JoeyFlex5]

Moton in the fifth is a bold prediction imo. 

Curious as to why we take a qb 4th round? Is it because we want a backup or because you think it's time to slowly phase joe out?

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Edgar said:

If we take a corner that high, I'd have to be able to trust him in man.  I'm not comfortable with Humphrey.

He bites on double moves from guys I've never heard of. Gets panicky when someone gets a step, doesn't turn to find ball and has poor awareness.

You often see him lose right off the line to quick receivers. His limitations in man are covered at times by Alabama's ability to get to the quarterback....I see him beat but quarterback is running for his life.

I do see his potential and I love his physicality but don't get him that early.

You know who else this scouting report describes to a T? Jimmy smith as a draft prospect. They are very similar and as a rookie jimmy had alot of the same concerns. He was better in man coverage because he could bump and run so well, but as a rookie he bit on double moves often, panicked when he lost a step, and struggled to turn his head to play the ball, and eventually he developed some off style coverage game, learned NFL receivers ways, and stopped biting on double moves, he also has gotten very good at turning to locate the ball, not the best ball skills but he gets his hand on the ball to knock it away as well as any corner in the league. 

Marlon Humphrey is one of those guys that really just needs some coaching because none of his problems are deal breakers because they can all be improved relatively easily

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 I would never say he has poor awareness. He's got some of the best awareness and route recognition in the draft. I think the biggest issue for me is he's so quick to open his hips and turn to run because he doesn't turn his head and play the ball well. Keep the play in front and let him see the ball and he's great. 

Know another corner who struggled when the play got behind him and bit on double moves? Jimmy Smith.

I see the massive potential and scheme fit and I love him here.

Jimmy smith was drafted 27th overall. This is about the range I would take Humphrey.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23 by Edgar

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy smith was drafted 27th overall. This is about the range I would take Humphrey.

Smith had top 10 talent and later round character issues. Humphrey is a clean prospect.

[Edgar]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You know who else this scouting report describes to a T? Jimmy smith as a draft prospect. They are very similar and as a rookie jimmy had alot of the same concerns. He was better in man coverage because he could bump and run so well, but as a rookie he bit on double moves often, panicked when he lost a step, and struggled to turn his head to play the ball, and eventually he developed some off style coverage game, learned NFL receivers ways, and stopped biting on double moves, he also has gotten very good at turning to locate the ball, not the best ball skills but he gets his hand on the ball to knock it away as well as any corner in the league. 

Marlon Humphrey is one of those guys that really just needs some coaching because none of his problems are deal breakers because they can all be improved relatively easily

Jimmy took two years to begin to work out these concerns.....he was better than Humphrey coming out and went late 1st.

 

[RavensFanMania]

35 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Bears are apparently locked into a secondary player.

Yeah, I did a mock a couple weeks ago, but feel Adams will be their pick now

[RavensFanMania]

37 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Bears are apparently locked into a secondary player.

The Allen fall after the Bears pass on him could go many ways.

i could see the Jags taking him due to Coughlin liking to build from th inside out.  If they pass on him I could see the Bengals taking him instead of a player like Foster or Barnett.  If the Bengals pass on him then I definitely could see the skins landing him.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy smith was drafted 27th overall. This is about the range I would take Humphrey.

 

 

Jimmy smith was easily top 16 had he not gotten arrested with weed and gotten a dui

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, RavensFanMania said:

The Allen fall after the Bears pass on him could go many ways.

i could see the Jags taking him due to Coughlin liking to build from th inside out.  If they pass on him I could see the Bengals taking him instead of a player like Foster or Barnett.  If the Bengals pass on him then I definitely could see the skins landing him.

I think the Jags are pretty locked into Fournette at this time and the Bengals are in desperate need of a LB more than anything. Of course, sometimes talent outweighs need, so we'll see.

[Edgar]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Smith had top 10 talent and later round character issues. Humphrey is a clean prospect.

I've heard it said that he was top 15 talent....still kind of subjective but assuming he was,  he still doesn't start year one( or two) and if our first round selection at 16 is a core special teams player it isn't a good pick to me.

I could be wrong....maybe he starts opposite Jimmy year one but he has substantial concerns in man coverage.

 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jimmy smith was easily top 16 had he not gotten arrested with weed and gotten a dui

Or knocked girls up and had their families pay for the abortions.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy took two years to begin to work out these concerns.....he was better than Humphrey coming out and went late 1st.

Jimmy also battled nagging injuries frequently. That put a major damper on any playing time he would receive. 

Think of Mo Claiborne. He showed up really well last season finally. He's always had that talent, but time off the field took away from time on the field to develop it.

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the Jags are pretty locked into Fournette at this time and the Bengals are in desperate need of a LB more than anything. Of course, sometimes talent outweighs need, so we'll see.

Yep have fournette going to the jags and I've gone back and forth with Barnett or foster going to the bengals

Edited April 23 by RavensFanMania

[JoeyFlex5]

45 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy took two years to begin to work out these concerns.....he was better than Humphrey coming out and went late 1st.

 

Jimmy was stuck to one scheme as much as Humphrey seems to be. Jimmy was a press man corner and Humphrey is a off zone kinda guy, but both coming out with the same exact issues. If not for nagging injuries then jimmy probably would've been killing it by year 2. He finished his second season by literally making every play on the SB goal line stand. I don't think it's fair to say that because it took him time to catch on that he wasn't a good pick, it's pretty obvious that he's been one of the best picks in the harbaugh era. Also if Humphrey takes a year or so to catch on, that's fine. We have a starting cb group and a starting safety tandem plus depth, if Humphrey doesn't become a starter til year 3 it's no harm no foul because we have 3 starting corners already

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jimmy was stuck to one scheme as much as Humphrey seems to be. Jimmy was a press man corner and Humphrey is a off zone kinda guy, but both coming out with the same exact issues. If not for nagging injuries then jimmy probably would've been killing it by year 2. He finished his second season by literally making every play on the SB goal line stand. I don't think it's fair to say that because it took him time to catch on that he wasn't a good pick, it's pretty obvious that he's been one of the best picks in the harbaugh era. Also if Humphrey takes a year or so to catch on, that's fine. We have a starting cb group and a starting safety tandem plus depth, if Humphrey doesn't become a starter til year 3 it's no harm no foul because we have 3 starting corners already

"If Humphrey doesn't start by year three, no harm no foul "..... This is ridiculous. You can't possibly believe that.

If we draft any position at 16 and he doesn't start for three years, we made a mistake. Period.

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, Edgar said:

"If Humphrey doesn't start by year three, no harm no foul "..... This is ridiculous. You can't possibly believe that.

If we draft any position at 16 and he doesn't start for three years, we made a mistake. Period.

He would still play a role and having starting caliber cbs on the roster simply means he has time to develop... 

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Moton in the fifth is a bold prediction imo. 

Curious as to why we take a qb 4th round? Is it because we want a backup or because you think it's time to slowly phase joe out?

I don't really know players value/stock, so I use big boards and Moton is generally outside the top 100, so that automatically puts him in the fourth. Couple that with the lack of quality footwork and being pegged into a man scheme and I think he could fall. I had him in the fourth in my last mock, but with these day three guys, you just never know where they'll go.

I have no desire to phase Joe out, honestly, unless he continues his current play. I think he's capable of so much more, but this is two years in a row that he's showed shaky play. If he goes on for another year or two with mediocre play, I think Peterman could eventually take over. Plus, as the Patriots showed, is there really any harm to taking one?

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't really know players value/stock, so I use big boards and Moton is generally outside the top 100, so that automatically puts him in the fourth. Couple that with the lack of quality footwork and being pegged into a man scheme and I think he could fall. I had him in the fourth in my last mock, but with these day three guys, you just never know where they'll go.

I have no desire to phase Joe out, honestly, unless he continues his current play. I think he's capable of so much more, but this is two years in a row that he's showed shaky play. If he goes on for another year or two with mediocre play, I think Peterman could eventually take over. Plus, as the Patriots showed, is there really any harm to taking one?

I like that you mocked a quarterback. I can't recall anyone else doing that.

[ellicottraven]

I don't understand all the negs for this mock. It's a pretty decent draft overall except I don't agree with the first pick of Humphrey especially with Johnathan Allen, Haason Reddick, Corey Davis, Cam Robinson and Derek Barnett still on the board. I cannot imagine Humphrey being the best available player on the Ravens board at that time period.

[BmoreBird22]

Just revisiting this to... uh... point out that first round pick at 16.

[trevorsteadman]

You got a lot of picks right. Nice dude!

[trevorsteadman]

Is that 9 picks you got correct going to certain teams? I mean Corey Davis went at 5 instead of 18 and some trades were unpredictable but dang you're the next GM man.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Gotta give you credit my dude. Well done. Very well done.

And, at least as of now your next 3 picks are looking very possible.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Is that 9 picks you got correct going to certain teams? I mean Corey Davis went at 5 instead of 18 and some trades were unpredictable but dang you're the next GM man.

 

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Gotta give you credit my dude. Well done. Very well done.

And, at least as of now your next 3 picks are looking very possible.

Gotta be honest, I'm surprised I got that many right. That first round was absolutely nuts.

[Willbacker]

I'm actually more impressed with your 17th pick. I was so certain that's who they was gonna call out. I'd also be happy with your day 2 picks. I mean Lawson did play the whole season.