[News] Ravens Want A Strong O-Line. Will They Invest A First-Round Pick?

[Crusader]

The only position Ravens don't have a hole or lack depth is QB and people even suspect that so who ever or what position just make sure he is a Ravens at heart.

[BigUgly]

We need playmakers in the early rounds. We need to come away with starters and potential pro-bowl talents at WR and EDGE in the first two rounds. We then need a C and CB in the 3rd. I feel confident that, between Urschel, Jensen, Wellesly, Nembot and a 4th/5th-rounder, we can backfill G/T (depending on where Lewis is most comfortable), not to mention a pre-camp vet signing possibility.

[rmcjacket23]

The only position Ravens don't have a hole or lack depth is QB and people even suspect that so who ever or what position just make sure he is a Ravens at heart.

Would say Safety would fall into this category for at least 2017.

There aren't any teams I know that have a third safety as good as Webb.

[rmcjacket23]

  5 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  7 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

Let me set this story straight: Despite having one of the best OL of all-time, Jimmy Johnson invested very little in that OL. His HIGHEST picks ever were 3rd rounder Erik Williams and 2nd rounder Mark Stepnoski. The remainders (Newton, Gogan, Gesek and Tuinei) were a hodge-podge mix of free agents and 6th/7th round picks. Even HOF Larry Allen was only a 2nd rounder (picked by Jones). My point is the Ravens are crazy for spending this many high picks on the OL when they are so deficient at every skill position on the team. OL can be found later on (see Marshal Yanda and Alex Lewis). Save those 1st rounders for skill positions like Johnson did (Aikman, Irvin, Harper, E Smith, K Smith, Maryland).

The NFL was different 25 years ago. But let's use your example - the Cowboys spent high draft picks on Dez Bryant, Felix Jones, DeMarco Murray, Julius Jones & signed high priced FA like Terrell Owens, etc. It wasn't until they drafted 3 x OL with their 1st Round picks did they actually become a play-off team.

That OL didn't look so good when DeMarco Murray left did it? Everyone thought any RB could excel, unfortunately not only did that not happen but Tony Romo took a beating and got his collarbone broken .......twice. Enter Zeke Elliott and suddenly, playoffs again. I'll take the playmakers anyday.

Actually it did look pretty good. They had a top 5 rushing offense in the league the year after Murray left in terms of YPC, and they had a RB that finished 4th in the league in rushing yardage. I wouldn't even call that good... I'd call it great.

They also only allowed 2 sacks/game that season, which was below average at the league level, and they had the 10th fewest yards lost via sack.

Only further proved by Demarco's 2015 nightmare season, where he averaged a full yard less per carry and was effectively benched later in the year. Then he goes to a team that has a very solid Oline (Titans) and he starts performing well again.

[whobilly]

In a pass happy league we need a game changing WR. We have one legitimate WR on the roster now with Mike Wallace.

[rmcjacket23]

Let me set this story straight: Despite having one of the best OL of all-time, Jimmy Johnson invested very little in that OL. His HIGHEST picks ever were 3rd rounder Erik Williams and 2nd rounder Mark Stepnoski. The remainders (Newton, Gogan, Gesek and Tuinei) were a hodge-podge mix of free agents and 6th/7th round picks. Even HOF Larry Allen was only a 2nd rounder (picked by Jones). My point is the Ravens are crazy for spending this many high picks on the OL when they are so deficient at every skill position on the team. OL can be found later on (see Marshal Yanda and Alex Lewis). Save those 1st rounders for skill positions like Johnson did (Aikman, Irvin, Harper, E Smith, K Smith, Maryland).

Yup and then he went to Miami and used some more 1st round picks on skill position players that ended up sucking and he inevitably "resigned" because his teams weren't any good.

[BMORE21]

We are not taking an olinemen in the 1st. Probably not even in the first two rounds unless cam is there in the 2nd

[TheConquerorWorm]

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

Edited April 23 by TheConquerorWorm

[MadStorkSociety]

  10 hours ago, omar586 said:

this would be a nice haul, with a couple of trade downs.
31: R1P31 WR COREY DAVIS WESTERN MICHIGAN
53: R2P21 CB KEVIN KING WASHINGTON
55: R2P23 EDGE CHARLES HARRIS MISSOURI
74: R3P10 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC
78: R3P14 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
89: R3P25 EDGE RYAN ANDERSON ALABAMA
122: R4P15 WR ISAIAH FORD VIRGINIA TECH
127: R4P20 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE
133: R4P26 G DANNY ISIDORA MIAMI
148: R5P4 G ZACH BANNER USC
165: R5P21 OT ERIK MAGNUSON MICHIGAN
187: R6P3 CB BRIAN ALLEN UTAH
188: R6P4 OT CONOR MCDERMOTT UCLA

LOL

Yes, Omar is dreaming. But I did enjoy the dream.

[bigcatfrank1]

Robinson may just come off the board at 16

[bigcatfrank1]

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

wow, with that kind of tape why wait until the 6th round? Don't you think others are looking at this kid? nice find CW

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

wow, with that kind of tape why wait until the 6th round? Don't you think others are looking at this kid? nice find CW

He's not without warts. Has stiff hips and average hands. But has the size & speed you want. Not a bad lottery ticket for the 6th Round. He's projected 7th Round or FA (wasnt invited to the combine).

[PurpleHorseman]

If we want a great offensive line then how come we are letting quality and even great offensive lineman walk? All the while paying similar money to a one dimensional dime a dozen nose tackle. If management could do it again it would probably sign Osemele. Raiders run game excelled when he arrived. Even without top shelf RB.

I'm all for making an offensive line the priority. But not sure there is a one that can justify No.16 overall. Lamp is vastly overrated. And Cam has potential to be a pro bowl RT. But he needs coaching up and practice on his technique. I read about 6 weeks ago that Texans could trade Duane Brown. If that were true he would be an awesome line addition!

Edited April 23 by PurpleHorseman

[whobilly]

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

Would be a nice pick up but we NEED Corey Davis too.

[BigUgly]

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

That's awesome. Ozzie needs to replace the holes left by the departures of Tommy Streeter and Aaron Mellette.

[billiejean]

If we want a great offensive line then how come we are letting quality and even great offensive lineman walk? All the while paying similar money to a one dimensional dime a dozen nose tackle. If management could do it again it would probably sign Osemele. Raiders run game excelled when he arrived. Even without top shelf RB.

I'm all for making an offensive line the priority. But not sure there is a one that can justify No.16 overall. Lamp is vastly overrated. And Cam has potential to be a pro bowl RT. But he needs coaching up and practice on his technique. I read about 6 weeks ago that Texans could trade Duane Brown. If that were true he would be an awesome line addition!

I dont know about that. The amount of money we would have had to spend to beat out Oakland just wouldn't be worth it, even now after his all pro season. Notice how he is the only lineman who is not a LT on this list.

1. Redskins offensive lineman Trent Williams: $13.2 million
2. Saints offensive lineman Terron Armstead: $13 million
3. Cowboys offensive lineman Tyron Smith: $12.2 million
4. Packers offensive lineman David Bakhtiari: $12 million
5. Chiefs offensive lineman Eric Fisher: $12 million
6. Bills offensive lineman Cordy Glenn: $12 million
7. Raiders offensive lineman Kelechi Osemele: $11.7 million
8. Browns offensive lineman Joe Thomas: $11.5 million
9. Eagles offensive lineman Lane Johnson: $11.3 million
10. Colts offensive lineman Anthony Castonzo: $10.95 million

[billiejean]

  9 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

wow, with that kind of tape why wait until the 6th round? Don't you think others are looking at this kid? nice find CW

You have to factor in the fact that the tape that you watched was a highlight reel. Everybody's highlight reel looks good. Hes an intriguing prospect but taking him any higher than the sixth round would be a mistake. There is a good chance that he may not end up getting drafted at all.

[Ravenslifer]

I don't see o-line in the first unless we trade back. I just don't see the value there. We've done it plenty of times before finding later round guys that become o-line starters - Lewis, Urschel, Wagner, Yanda - heck even Chris Chester is still starting in this league. Guys like Pashos and Rabach also started for a long time in the league. In order I'd say OLB - CB - WR would be the positions I'd prefer we draft in the first round.

[ravens4life86]

No Oline in the 1st round. Please no. Ravens have a history of finding starting quality players mid to late rounds along the Oline.
While the industry concensus may be that this is a weaker Oline draft, after hearing Kiper on lounge podcast and following players myself it reaffirmed Ravens could wait til rounds 3-4 depending on what Ozzie and company want and get starter quality RT or OG, OC with players like Taylor Moton Western Mich, Both OC Pocic&Elflein, Roderick Johnson OT, Siragusa OG Dawkins OG

So Oline can wait til mid rounds.

4 days left
Dream draft
Rnd 1- Reddick Olbr/Ilbr
Rnd 2- TakMckinley De/olbr
Rnd 3- 2 pks- Smith Schuster WR, Kupp WR
Rnd 4- OL Siragusa,
Rnd 5-Jalen Myrick CB
Rnd 6- Zach Banner OL

[ByTheBay]

I think if we spend some draft capital on the Oline it will make everyone on the offense look better. Marty just has to do his job and scheme to our strengths like run first and play action. Kubiak made Forsette look like a top 5 RB and Joe was on fire in 2014. Line and OC will matter more than using a first rounder on a RB or WR.

[law215]

If the o-linemen this year were in last year draft, then would be mid second round guys. They are just the best of this year, so I hope Ravens wait until round 3.

If some of the young guys like Wesley and Nembot, can step up then maybe they can be a power G/T we need.

[omar586]

lol, this would be a nice haul after a couple trade downs.

 

36: R2P4 OT TAYLOR MOTON WESTERN MICHIGAN

47: R2P15 EDGE CHARLES HARRIS MISSOURI

67: R3P3 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC

74: R3P10 C ETHAN POCIC LSU

78: R3P14 S DESMOND KING IOWA

114: R4P7 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE

117: R4P10 CB CORN ELDER MIAMI

122: R4P15 WR ARDARIUS STEWART ALABAMA

159: R5P15 OT ERIK MAGNUSON MICHIGAN

186: R6P2 G DAMIEN MAMA USC

220: R7P2 EDGE HUNTER DIMICK UTAH

[TheConquerorWorm]

  15 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Meet the Ravens 6th Round Pick: WR Deangelo Yancy (3 separate meetings with the Ravens)
 

https://youtu.be/-oinXrVu8Wc

That's awesome. Ozzie needs to replace the holes left by the departures of Tommy Streeter and Aaron Mellette.

Antonio Brown & Brandon Marshall agree with you, the Ravens should definitely trade up in the 1st Round for the highest rated WR and stud play-maker. Just imagine how they would look if they did that to take WR Kevin White, DGB, LaQuan Treadwell & Justin Hunter - the size and speed - WOW. That would be like 18 Super Bowls in a row! With that WR core, Flacco would throw at least 80 TDs and 10,000 yards in a season......

85% OF ALL PLAYERS DRAFTED ARE BUSTS!

[balfan23]

3 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

I think if we spend some draft capital on the Oline it will make everyone on the offense look better. Marty just has to do his job and scheme to our strengths like run first and play action. Kubiak made Forsette look like a top 5 RB and Joe was on fire in 2014. Line and OC will matter more than using a first rounder on a RB or WR.

I'm all for them expending draft capital on the O line... but I don't know about them spending the 1st rounder - not this year. If they do, it needs to be a part of a trade back, but even then, I'd find it disappointing, because it will appear that there were true playmakers that they wanted did not fall to them. 

Let's just put it this way ... if Davis and/or Williams are available and we pick Robinson ... I'll certainly have to give the nod to our FO and hope they made the right move, but I'll not be able to help feeling like we shied away from getting a difference making offensive weapon and went with the safer play in an area of need. 

[balfan23]

16 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Robinson may just come off the board at 16

I've seen a significant increase in the number of mocks that have us taking him at 16. What concerns me is that the vast majority of other mocks I see where we go a different direction ... Robinson doesn't even appear in the first round. 

What is or is not a reach depends on how things pan out for the selected player (which we won't know for a couple years) and whether that player would have been taken next or wouldn't have been taken for another 20 picks (something we can never know). Nonetheless, based on conventional wisdom, that selection will feel like a reach. 

[bigcatfrank1]

  5 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

I think if we spend some draft capital on the Oline it will make everyone on the offense look better. Marty just has to do his job and scheme to our strengths like run first and play action. Kubiak made Forsette look like a top 5 RB and Joe was on fire in 2014. Line and OC will matter more than using a first rounder on a RB or WR.

I'm all for them expending draft capital on the O line... but I don't know about them spending the 1st rounder - not this year. If they do, it needs to be a part of a trade back, but even then, I'd find it disappointing, because it will appear that there were true playmakers that they wanted did not fall to them. 

Let's just put it this way ... if Davis and/or Williams are available and we pick Robinson ... I'll certainly have to give the nod to our FO and hope they made the right move, but I'll not be able to help feeling like we shied away from getting a difference making offensive weapon and went with the safer play in an area of need. 

second point first- I agree that The Ravens have players listed above Robinson. The thing is they all have a high probability of getting picked before 16 including Davis and Williams.

the first point- it kind of hard to name some players below 16 that look to fit the Ravens and their needs better than Robinson. I really think this is the key here, I think the Ravens will risk losing out on Robinson at pick 20.

I would be happy, the draft is deep with CB, Edge, WR and LB. Especially if Cam proves to be the starting lock down deal at RT in the Pros.

[bigcatfrank1]

If we want a great offensive line then how come we are letting quality and even great offensive lineman walk? All the while paying similar money to a one dimensional dime a dozen nose tackle. If management could do it again it would probably sign Osemele. Raiders run game excelled when he arrived. Even without top shelf RB.

I'm all for making an offensive line the priority. But not sure there is a one that can justify No.16 overall. Lamp is vastly overrated. And Cam has potential to be a pro bowl RT. But he needs coaching up and practice on his technique. I read about 6 weeks ago that Texans could trade Duane Brown. If that were true he would be an awesome line addition!

I'm not sure the Ravens thought Wagner was worth that kind of money. Robinson might be when he is 3 years in the league.
We ware going to find out, however besides the 14 players that everyone lists ( maybe the Ravens big board) who do you say the Ravens go with at 16?

Ok you want the 14 - we know the top 4 Garrett- Thomas- Fournette- Lattimore,
then the next 10 who could move up and down the board a little-
Hooker/ Adams / Barnett /Williams / Howard / Davis /Foster / Allen / Reddick / Humphrey ( some may put Ross above Humphrey)

So if the Dominos fall and all these players are picked, Why not take Cam Robinson? over Ross- Cook - Tim Williams because if he left on the board Denver will take him at 20 in my opinion.

[757RavensFan]

On 4/22/2017 at 11:55 AM, omar586 said:

this would be a nice haul, with a couple of trade downs.
31: R1P31 WR COREY DAVIS WESTERN MICHIGAN
53: R2P21 CB KEVIN KING WASHINGTON
55: R2P23 EDGE CHARLES HARRIS MISSOURI
74: R3P10 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC
78: R3P14 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
89: R3P25 EDGE RYAN ANDERSON ALABAMA
122: R4P15 WR ISAIAH FORD VIRGINIA TECH
127: R4P20 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE
133: R4P26 G DANNY ISIDORA MIAMI
148: R5P4 G ZACH BANNER USC
165: R5P21 OT ERIK MAGNUSON MICHIGAN
187: R6P3 CB BRIAN ALLEN UTAH
188: R6P4 OT CONOR MCDERMOTT UCLA

We have 7 pics this draft.  There's not that much trading back in the world to turn 7 picks into 13 picks.  Nice try tho!

[omar586]

3 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

We have 7 pics this draft.  There's not that much trading back in the world to turn 7 picks into 13 picks.  Nice try tho!

i know, just having fun with draft simulator.

[ellicottraven]

If there is a run of any kind especially with QBs or RBs, then a player that is top 10 on our board is going to slide to us and that is the player we're going to pick. If it is an offensive lineman that is ranked so high on our board, I'm not sure but if he is I'm near certain the Ravens won't hesitate to pick him. But, I don't buy into the theory that we pick offensive linemen in the first round every year like the Cowboys did to build a stout O-line. We don't operate that way.