Flex's Final Mock, ever. Damn this website for closing...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

I see it as more likely Barnett is on the board than Corey Davis.

It will surprise me to see Tim Williams available mid two.

Round six I like a lot.

I actually think Davis is the most likely to be there of all the guys who get a lot of love here. More likely than Barnett, Mike Williams or Foster. 

And I'll be more surprised if Tim Williams isn't on the board for our 2nd pick. While there's clearly a lot to like -- multiple failed drug tests, the arrest, under sized for the position, incredibly small sample size in that even in his senior year he was largely a role player and was surrounded by the most ridiculous front 7 in college football... I'm sure several NFL teams would trade out their current front 7 for Bama's  

There are just a ton of quality pass rushers at the top of the draft.... and plenty in all forms. There's raw but explosive guys that are cleaner off the field like Reddick, Takk, Taco, Bowser.... there's big time producers with much longer track records that played 3 downs like Barnett, Harris, and maybe Willis... and then you've got your guys with limited sample sizes and injury issues but have big time upside like TJ Watt and Carl Lawson. 

And each of those guys may have one or two of the knocks you could put on Williams, but are cleaner prospects in other regards. And all of them were able to produce without much around them. 

I like his upside just as much if not more than any of the others. But he's definitely got the heaviest baggage to overcome. Lots of questions to ask for that high of an investment...

Is a team going to spend a 1st on a guy that may only be able to play 20-30% of snaps? Can he pack on weight to his frame and even if he can does he maintain those explosive traits that make him such a juicy prospect? Will he be able to stop the weed or is he going to be constantly suspended? Does he have the right group around him off the field? Can he thrive without having a huge talent advantage surrounding him? Would his production stay on par with the top guys if he wasn't constantly rested and was asked to carry a full snap load? Do we even know what his motor is like, especially in the 4th qtr when games are won and lost in the NFL, if we ask him to play anything more than 3rd downs??

 

The upside is obvious. It smacks you in the face. But, 1st round is a high price with all of those legitimate questions to ask. And most teams don't have the pipeline to Bama that Ozzie does to get those answered. So I imagine they'll be even less comfortable than we would. 

Edited April 22 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I am a big fan of your draft. Your address of lot of needs and for some reason I thought you were a BPA guy. The value in the third round is exceptional. Elflein is a huge upgrade for us at center. I am a fan of Desmond King and would really like him on our roster. He can help at corner but I seeing him eventually being Weddle's replacement. King would also be valuable in the return game where we have a dire need.

Good job !

i am a BPA guy but i dont like to ignore needs either, also if we go strictly BPA for a full mock then i have to mock every pick for every team and stick to a board lol. ravens also like to balance bpa and need, if they get an absurd value they will abandon need completely, but if 2 guys are relatively close in value theyll opt for the need more often than not, the 2014 draft is a prime example of that. so im just taking our needs and saying "if this guy is here as expected based on projections, then the value and need will both be great on the ravens board". 

45 minutes ago, January J said:

Orgasmic. I'm salivating over here.

How much thought do you think we put into taking Davis over Foster if they're both there like you suggested? I imagine that would be a tough call. I'd probably go Davis too in the end but I'd feel uneasy about it.

im starting to not like foster. was able to let things slide, i figured maybe things were really bothering him with the combine incident, maybe the rumors about his attitude and partying are overblown because hes a young punk in college, but then after all these things you hear that in the most crucial time of his life he is quite possibly taking some kind of drugs and tampering with his urinalysis, everything starts to come together and it looks bad. the shoulder and the concussions make him a non option for me at 16, and i have a strong feeling the ravens feel the same. if he were to fall to 47 its a different story.

[ravensnation5220]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As is this post 

 

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Greatest post I have ever seen on the boards.

Lol it was the only way I could truly describe how id feel if this ended up being our draft. Im surprised no ones done it before

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I actually think Davis is the most likely to be there of all the guys who get a lot of love here. More likely than Barnett, Mike Williams or Foster. 

And I'll be more surprised if Tim Williams isn't on the board for our 2nd pick. While there's clearly a lot to like -- multiple failed drug tests, the arrest, under sized for the position, incredibly small sample size in that even in his senior year he was largely a role player and was surrounded by the most ridiculous front 7 in college football... I'm sure several NFL teams would trade out their current front 7 for Bama's  

There are just a ton of quality pass rushers at the top of the draft.... and plenty in all forms. There's raw but explosive guys that are cleaner off the field like Reddick, Takk, Taco, Bowser.... there's big time producers with much longer track records that played 3 downs like Barnett, Harris, and maybe Willis... and then you've got your guys with limited sample sizes and injury issues but have big time upside like TJ Watt and Carl Lawson. 

And each of those guys may have one or two of the knocks you could put on Williams, but are cleaner prospects in other regards. And all of them were able to produce without much around them. 

I like his upside just as much if not more than any of the others. But he's definitely got the heaviest baggage to overcome. Lots of questions to ask for that high of an investment...

Is a team going to spend a 1st on a guy that may only be able to play 20-30% of snaps? Can he pack on weight to his frame and even if he can does he maintain those explosive traits that make him such a juicy prospect? Will he be able to stop the weed or is he going to be constantly suspended? Does he have the right group around him off the field? Can he thrive without having a huge talent advantage surrounding him? Would his production stay on par with the top guys if he wasn't constantly rested and was asked to carry a full snap load? Do we even know what his motor is like, especially in the 4th qtr when games are won and lost in the NFL, if we ask him to play anything more than 3rd downs??

 

The upside is obvious. It smacks you in the face. But, 1st round is a high price with all of those legitimate questions to ask. And most teams don't have the pipeline to Bama that Ozzie does to get those answered. So I imagine they'll be even less comfortable than we would. 

tim williams strikes me as a decent guy with a good head on his shoulders actually. he doesnt interview very well but he comes off as sincere and genuine. hes one of those guys that i think will be fine after a change of scenery. and this is a 180 im doing on him as well, because when i heard about the gun incident i wrote him off completely, i thought he was another rolando mcclain, but after seeing interviews of him i changed my tune.

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I see it as more likely Barnett is on the board than Corey Davis.

It will surprise me to see Tim Williams available mid two.

Round six I like a lot.

We could have to trade up a little to land Tim Williams. But he is definitely falling somewhat inexplicably. I imagine its firmer off field incidents, his size, his underrated run game skills and being a part time player. Many scouts seem to have him and Charles Harris pretty even as far as raw edge skills to coach up further. But Charles being more complete. He is out of Mayocks top5 which is reminiscent on a lot of scout feedback he receives.

I would take one of Williams Lawson Harris in early round2 I would prefer Williams/Lawson. But would be very happy with any of those edge rushers. Especially after landing Corey Davis in round 1. If it means trading a round4 maybe round 3 to move up 10 or so spots then so be it.  Landing a NO.1WR and speed rusher off the edge are the playmakers the ravens need. Although it would be ideal to not have to trade up. So that we could address cornerback and offensive line position in round3. 

[Sami84]

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

1. Cleveland Browns - Myles Garrett, edge, TA&M 

2. SF 49ers - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU - really hard projection here, my gut tells me Jamal Adams goes here as he is probably the BPA, but the reports of the new regime wanting to move on from Hyde and being interested in fournette make it difficult to go a different route. 

3. Chicago Bears - Jamal Adams, S, LSU - another tough one to call, i hear they like hooker, but i also hear they like adams. in this case, im gonna go stick to the board and give the bears the BPA who fills a need and brings a face of the franchise type of player 

4. Jax Jaguars - Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford - Jonathan Allen strikes me as a Tom Coughlin guy, but Im buying the hype around his shoulder arthritis, this early in the draft it is just too much risk. i think Thomas is overdrafted here, but Coughlin is no stranger to working with raw guys with superb athleticism, like Jason Pierre-Paul for example, Coughlin is also a very well known front seven addict. hopefully this pick doesnt sound too cliche 

5. Tennessee Titans - OJ Howard, TE, Bama - too great a fit. this team has nothing as far as receiving threats, with a franchise QB who extends plays well and can get it deep on broken plays, so a 6'5" behemoth athlete like Howard will be able to get down the field and bail out Mariota often on play action passes. speaking of play action, theyre a power running offense, emphasis on power, OJ Howard is the best blocking tight end i may have ever seen, he never leaves the field for this power run team, is always a threat, this is just a match made in heaven. 

6. NY Jets - Marshon Lattimore, CB, OSU - every source in the world seems to report either this, or a trade back with cleveland. either makes sense, i cant realistically think of any other options here. hooker is my BPA at this point, but i feel the jets are going to prioritize CB 

7. LA Chargers - Malik Hooker, FS, OSU - if either safety is on the board here, they will be the pick. replacing weddle at all costs is almost certainly their plan 

8. Carolina Panthers - Jonathan Allen, DL, Bama - and the tumble stops here. Carolina is a BPA team through and through, which is why i dont buy the mcaffrey rumors at all. they feel they have a championship roster, and they do, which is why they can afford to take Allen here, if his shoulder injury puts him out of the league by year 5, then they could have still won a championship with him as a major contributor. 

9. Cincinnati Bengals - Derek Barnett, edge, Tennessee - sad face 

10. Buffalo Bills - Mike Williams, QB, Clemson 

11. NO Saints - Taco Charlton, edge, Michigan - saints are gonna address either secondary or edge rush here, im thinking the latter. i dont like taco much at all, but i can understand why teams see potential, he probably has the best blend of size and athleticism and really does have a high ceiling, i just dont like his floor. 

12. Cleveland Browns - Mitch Trubisky, QB, UNC 

13. Arizona Cardinals - Marlon Humphrey, CB, Bama 

14. Philadelphia Eagles - Christian Mcaffrey, RB, Stanford - totally buying the rumors that a team in the top half has guaranteed him a drafting, why else would he have turned down all private workouts? he has nothing to prove, thats why. philly makes more sense than any other team, give the young franchise qb an easy outlet 

15. Indy Colts - Forrest Lamp, G, WKU - theyve drafted a lot of linemen and they all seem to be failures, maybe because they have only drafted one high and have tried to get by with a bunch of flyers in mid rounds, they right that ship here and finally get luck a solid blocker 

16. Baltimore Ravens 

 

Corey Davis, WR, WMU - is this finally the year? do we finally find the #1 WR? a guy who can get quick separation and make himself available? a guy who can turn 2 yard catches into first downs? decosta has been in full smoke screen mode, he spoke of all 3 first round receivers, and sounded indifferent about davis, very nonchalant, and with the rumors linking the ravens to john ross, it seems like classic decosta smokescreens. im calling his bluff and predicting that corey davis is high on our boards, and that we pull the trigger here. now i dont think corey davis is some sure fire savior to our offense, he isnt the concrete lock to perform well on day one, he has shown excellent and technical routes, but due to the amount of cushion he has faced he has never had to show creativity and savviness in his game, and when he has faced tight coverage he has struggled. now he has absurdly quick feet and is a big strong guy and plays very physical, so i dont doubt he can learn this part of the game. i just dont think hes as refined as some say, but he will continue to develop those finer parts and become a very good receiver for us. 

17. Washington Redskins - Reuben Foster, LB, Bama - the skins have always been known to have a few knuckleheads on the roster, i dont think theyll mind the risk involved with foster when considering the gigantic upgrade he brings to their struggling defense who is in desperate need of an identity and a man in the middle. 

18. Tennesse Titans - Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado - buying the hype 

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dalvin Cook, RB, FSU 

20. Denver Broncos - Cam Robinson, G/RT, Bama - they need a lineman anywhere and this is a BPA to fill a need scenario. he isnt the BPA but he is far and away the best current lineman 

21. Detroit Lions - Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple - the lions need some impact on defense, the best way to do that is to add some pass rush across from ziggy and the general motor and speed of reddick will be a huge boost in the pass happy NFC north. 

22. Miami Dolphins - Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt - they have a need at LB, hes a reasonable value here, hes a rangy guy and a tackling machine, nothing too flashy but damn sound and gets around the field effectively and makes stops short of the sticks, should do well behind an excellent front, potential to stifle the patriots smallball game. 

23. NY Giants - David Njoku, TE, Miami 

24. Vegas Raiders - Gareon Conley, CB, OSU - the guy who was rumored to fly up boards goes on a tumble but it ends here. if the rumors of awuzie to tennessee werent swirling id slate him there, but thats the selection that hurts him here. im not his biggest fan, hes alright imo, but teams seem to like him, i could see him going to detroit, indy, cleveland, or arizona as well. 

25. Houston Texans - QB, QB, Some School - dont know which one, but i think they take one. brain says Mahomes, gut says Watson. 

26. Seattle Seahawks - Obi Melifonwu, S, UConn - very cliche pick, i know, but BamBam could be gone next year, and they dont want to lose that large enforcer who can play deep or up close. peppers is another possible candidate here but i think seattle places a lot of emphasis on size in the seconday, so the lengthy Obi gets the nod. 

27. KC Chiefs - TJ Watt, edge, Wisconsin - tamba hali isnt some ageless wonder, hes falling off a cliff and justin houston has missed his fair share of time. they get a future all around edge defender who should be solid in year one, but while houston and hali are still around he can develop for a year, grow into an nfl body, and break out in year 2 

28. Dallas Cowboys - John Ross, WR, Washington - i actually doubt he falls this far, tbh the guy slipped my mind a bit, he could go to just about any team, but addressing needs of teams had me take other guys over ross. consider this a slip up in my mock where i just forgot about a guy for a bit. but IF ross falls this far, its bad news for the league, this would just make dallas' offense a perfect storm, i dont know how youd stop it. 

29. Green Bay Packers - Jabrill Peppers, SS, Michigan - they need help in a lot of places on defense, and peppers brings the kind of skillset that can really help change the complexity of a struggling defense. if you need a safety, LB, edge rusher, and cb, and just need to make your entire defense in general better, a great way to do that is to add an explosive, aggressive player with good instincts and textbook form tackling. peppers usage in college isnt indicative of his skillset, he was used as a blitzer almost exclusively, but he shows instincts and the athleticism to suggest hes got good range, plus the aggressive mentality, making him a great fit as an x factor strong safety 

30. Pittsburgh Steelers - Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Mich. St. - this spells trouble for the ravens. if a reportedly unmotivated player needs to get motivated, put him in the steelers ravens rivalry, smh to us. this spot might not be a dire need but mcdowell is enough of a mover to say damn the need, he brings impact from all over the front. a legitimate top 3 talent with legitimate character concerns.

31. Atlanta Falcons - Charles Harris, edge, Mizzou - not this guys biggest fan but they need a pass rusher opposite beasley. they could also go with jordan willis here simply because he has an outstanding combine and the falcons have been very well known to take combine performers, which makes this pick kinda contrarian, but im gonna go ahead and think the falcons take the better player now, rather than  the project, them holding a private workout for both he and willis says a lot, im thinking they like harris better on tape but wanted to see if he just had a rough day at the combine. secondary is also on the list here, possibly adoree jackson, a well know athletic freak.

32. NO Saints - Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU - its a rumor im buying, because it makes sense. bold prediction here, if lattimores injuries are a problem in the NFL then white will be the best corner of this class 

Ravens round 2(47th) 

Tim Williams, edge, Bama - i would tear my house down in celebration here. tim williams is an absolute menace. second best jump off the line after garrett in the whole class, and he plays with authority and violence. he punches, he presses, he rips and spins, he exploits the tackles movements, works one shoulder at a time to take on half a blocker and not allowing the OT to square up and latch on. he plays with intense passion on the field and brings the energy and motor you want, just absolutely relentless, but off the field in interviews he has been very calm and humble, and quite honestly seems mature and contrary to the reports. team first guy, through and through, he doesnt care about the personal accolades, he'll attribute his success to his team in a heartbeat while shouldering any blame, but dont mistake that for a lack of confidence. he is a relatively refined edge rusher, probably top 3 in this class in terms of hand fighting, decision making, and a general arsenal of pass rush moves. he bulked up before his final season, reportedly around 20 lbs, and most of that appears to be in his upper body, which i think could explain his slipping and falling in the championship game, top heavy guys struggle to stay balanced in the bend, but he doesnt lack the flexibility. he has room to add another 10 lbs in his lower body putting him at ideal OLB size. and honestly seems realistic, he is as low as 3rd round in a lot of mocks, but i dont think ozzie allows that. Carl Lawson is another consideration.

side note, his run defense is really picked apart by people, it is better than hes given credit for, bama just has so much depth that they had no interest in NOT keeping his legs fresh. when he has had to defend the run, he shows a conceptual grasp of it, staying home on the edge, pinching the edge, gap integrity, backside pursuit, hes done it all well. one problem he has though is he gets trigger happy when a run comes his way and he'll run himself out of the play trying to make the TFL. 

Round 3(74th)

 

Pat Elflein, C, OSU - a high IQ mauling center with a championship pedigree. i dont know how this guy isnt considered a second round pick, but it seems to be the general consensus that hes a mid to late 3rd. hes right at home here with the ravens, day one starter and pro bowl potential. 

78th 

Desmond King, DB, Iowa

another guy who is inexplicably regarded as a mid to late third rounder. typical though as the raw athletic dbs always tend to shoot up boards late in the process. but desmond king is a viable #2 cb, slot cb, and should do well at either safety spot. he plays much bigger than his size, plays with authority more than most corners in the class, this guy believes the man across from him is inferior, and he plays like its true. average athleticism and size has never been a factor as this guy plays big and physical, arguably the best ball skills in the class among dbs as well. ravens love versatility and this guy will step in any time there is an injury on the field, and do well. if weddle hangs it up in the near future, heres his replacement, same with carr. he just screams ravens and has since last year. Witherspoon is also a strong option but im not sure where his stock lies, mocks show him going in the third but i think he ends up mid second.

Round 4(122nd)

 

Adam Bisnowaty, OT, Pitt

we address RT with a steal. this guys a late second early third in my eyes, but everything i see indicates him as a 5th rounder. hes a stud in the run game, needs work in pass pro, but the RT is the one spot you can afford to sacrifice pass pro, being the easiest part of the defense to avoid and manipulate. He fits the bill of bigger and stronger on the OL, he is a nasty brawler up front, gets the initial punch and drops the hips and drives upwards to put defenders on skates right off the bat, he doesnt lose the handfights because he extends quick and powerful and gets up in the chest early, and even when the defender staggers his engagement he is able to recover. he drops well in pass pro but gets stiff in the knees and ankles and may struggle to mirror guys who utilize inside lanes well. but as far as building a power run game goes, this guy is gonna make a quality RT

Round 5(159th) 

 

Tarik Cohen, RB, NC A&T 

the ravens are usually always good for a small school guy each year, and they usually seem to turn out pretty well, heres that guy. 5'6" and 175 but holy hell what a spark plug, danny woodhead is a stopgap obviously, but we need a dump option for joe at all times. this guy leaves defenders eating grass and hugging ghosts, his cuts are absolutely electric. if he can pack on a little bit of weight and get up to like 185, he should be stocky enough to hold up consistently as a receiving threat out of the backfield. 

Round 6 

 

Brian Allen, CB, Utah 

the ravens take another raw and lengthy project corner, 3 years in a row. 6'3" with good top speed and very sound in bump and run coverage, needs to turn his head and locate the ball better, needs to diagnose the deep ball better and flip his hips to get downfield. but definitely an intriguing project. he and maurice canady give us an interesting duo of long tall project corners. if just one of them pan out then we are sitting pretty in the secondary

 

 

 

 

good stuff. I just wonder if the FO is more interested in willis or bowser than t.williams.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

good stuff. I just wonder if the FO is more interested in willis or bowser than t.williams.

I knew you'd bring up Willis smh. 

I think bowser and rivers are serious contenders for our second, both seem to be rising and I like them both as natural 34 rushers. Basham in the third as well. But Tim Williams is undoubtedly my top guy

[PurpleHorseman]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I knew you'd bring up Willis smh. 

I think bowser and rivers are serious contenders for our second, both seem to be rising and I like them both as natural 34 rushers. Basham in the third as well. But Tim Williams is undoubtedly my top guy

I agree. Don't need a Correa again coming out of nowhere to leap ideal rushers.

[Willbacker]

As with rmw's draft I like seeing 2 olinemen in the 1st 5 picks but I really don't think Elflein is there in the 3rd. Isn't he the #1 consensus center? Just for you I hope Williams is there in the 2nd and I'd be happy with this but I'd rather have Anderson mainly cuz of character concerns plus he's a better allaround player imo albeit maybe a lower ceiling. I'm all about Corey Davis in the first. He's my #1 target. Brian Allen I also wouldn't be surprized to see go in the 3rd actually. Also another RB in the 5th. Seems to be the consensus.

[PurpleHorseman]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

tim williams strikes me as a decent guy with a good head on his shoulders actually. he doesnt interview very well but he comes off as sincere and genuine. hes one of those guys that i think will be fine after a change of scenery. and this is a 180 im doing on him as well, because when i heard about the gun incident i wrote him off completely, i thought he was another rolando mcclain, but after seeing interviews of him i changed my tune.

What he is saying

[PurpleHorseman]

Flex is a huge contributor to this board. Even when you don't always agree. He is fun to talk football with. So lets everybody do the opposite of the neg!! BTW Flex do one more mock on draft day!!

 

[ellicottraven]

I love the draft but I really can't see us choosing Corey Davis if Rueben Foster is on the board. If we select bpa I can't see Davis being ranked above Foster. But, after all the issues with Foster who really knows? If it pans out that we get the first 3 rounds like you've mocked I'll be done for the day and ecstatic!

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I love the draft but I really can't see us choosing Corey Davis if Rueben Foster is on the board. If we select bpa I can't see Davis being ranked above Foster. But, after all the issues with Foster who really knows? If it pans out that we get the first 3 rounds like you've mocked I'll be done for the day and ecstatic!

I think fosters just got too many incidents piled up. I think less of foster now than I thought of tunsil on draft night, because one guy seemed to always be surrounded by drama and the other seemed to always cause drama. 

 

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Flex is a huge contributor to this board. Even when you don't always agree. He is fun to talk football with. So lets everybody do the opposite of the neg!! BTW Flex do one more mock on draft day!!

 

Thanks brotha I appreciate that! Just a hobby and a bit of a passion of mine, loved football since I was a teenager and since I can't bust heads anymore this is how I've been able to stay in touch with it lol. 

Maybe I'll do one more if things change enough, if the rumors are all the same though there wouldn't be much point

[PurpleHorseman]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think fosters just got too many incidents piled up. I think less of foster now than I thought of tunsil on draft night, because one guy seemed to always be surrounded by drama and the other seemed to always cause drama. 

 

Thanks brotha I appreciate that! Just a hobby and a bit of a passion of mine, loved football since I was a teenager and since I can't bust heads anymore this is how I've been able to stay in touch with it lol. 

Maybe I'll do one more if things change enough, if the rumors are all the same though there wouldn't be much point

All mocks are possible scenarios. So can always come up with one lol. Ever consider Bisnowaty as a center? He could be a mauling center with enough athleticism to pull and climb the next level. Harbaugh said in his interview Lewis is getting stronger and likes to challenge himself to get stronger. If he plays LG and Bisnowaty can play center. Then Lewis Yanda and Bisnowaty could be  a really awesome interior trio.

[GrimCoconut]

You did a nice job here and I like how you predicted Davis as our pick since I think it's a real possibility. Personally, I think our first pick is between WR Davis, OLB Chris Harris or a higher rated guy who slips, CB Humphrey or a higher rated guy who slips.  If Allen or Howard somehow fall, I can guarantee they will be Ravens. Other than that, I think it'll be one of those 3. Williams is a good pass rusher and I've been hard on him for his bad angles to the QB and leaving his lane of responsibility but he's fast and has shown commitment to getting better. I think it could be him, Watt, Rivers or Bowser as our second round pick unless we go OLB in the first. 

I like Bisnowaty, and the other picks are okay. It's hard to project those late round guys because those are usually small school colleges and obscure players or guys who fall further than they should. I wonder if King will be there but other than that it all makes sense and this is an especially good DB draft so he can fall through the cracks. 

The real question is whether we go after a top guy in a loaded class at that position, or whether we attack a top guy at a weak position group in hopes of gambling later.  I'd prefer to go after the best talent and not try to fill holes with mediocre talent. 

[ravensnation5220]

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I knew you'd bring up Willis smh. 

I think bowser and rivers are serious contenders for our second, both seem to be rising and I like them both as natural 34 rushers. Basham in the third as well. But Tim Williams is undoubtedly my top guy

Oh man I love Derek Rivers. I think his potential is through the roof. His ability to bend is uncanny. The kid is strong at the point of attack and has a great first step. If hes ever allowed to use it, because Youngstown ran a "tackle read" scheme where he was forced to play the run. He does need to work on some disengaging moves but man....the kid is a monster. Hes one of those guys that makes you question why fcs vs fbs really even matter. I like him more than Takk Mckinley honestly

[PurpleHorseman]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

You did a nice job here and I like how you predicted Davis as our pick since I think it's a real possibility. Personally, I think our first pick is between WR Davis, OLB Chris Harris or a higher rated guy who slips, CB Humphrey or a higher rated guy who slips.  If Allen or Howard somehow fall, I can guarantee they will be Ravens. Other than that, I think it'll be one of those 3. Williams is a good pass rusher and I've been hard on him for his bad angles to the QB and leaving his lane of responsibility but he's fast and has shown commitment to getting better. I think it could be him, Watt, Rivers or Bowser as our second round pick unless we go OLB in the first. 

I like Bisnowaty, and the other picks are okay. It's hard to project those late round guys because those are usually small school colleges and obscure players or guys who fall further than they should. I wonder if King will be there but other than that it all makes sense and this is an especially good DB draft so he can fall through the cracks. 

The real question is whether we go after a top guy in a loaded class at that position, or whether we attack a top guy at a weak position group in hopes of gambling later.  I'd prefer to go after the best talent and not try to fill holes with mediocre talent. 

Like your post. Is that Charles Harris you mean? Don't get me wrong I like Charles Harris. But 16 is a little early for him I think. I would actually be in favor of trading up to early round2 late round1 for him "if"edge rushers begin coming off the board.  Like out of Lawson Williams Harris if 2 are gone by late round 1 I would be in favor of trading up to grab the remaining edge rusher after we land Davis/Foster/Howard/Njoku/in round one.

I know Cam is an option as well. He is Right Tackle only for now. However he has the skills to be a really good left tackle/All pro Right Tackle after some coaching and technique practice. He has athleticism balance power length but has many bad habits. But Davis is my favorite round1. Allen could seriously freefall. Not especially strong or explosive to be a dominant interior penetrator/edge rusher. If he were a lil bigger stronger with his athleticism level he could be great. Even lil more athletic and explosive at his size he would be a real top3 player. But as he stands now he could really struggle with NFL offensive line.

Edited April 23 by PurpleHorseman

[RayRayRaven]

On 4/21/2017 at 11:24 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Is litty Malik hooker? 

Heres the thing... I don't do mock drafts to try to land the guy I like most, I try to be as realistic as possible for all teams. I am 100% certain the ravens aren't trading up to 6 to take Malik hooker, so why the hell would I mock that? 

let me help ya joey. set up you pics to help the ravens. set up ur top guy with continjecies so oz can read what u wrote down. u got davis raven numba 1 fine but right down how u  wil improv the ravens if davis gets snatchd up befor we get to slot 16. see what i'm sayin joey? now I may like litty best but if I have him as numba 1 in my top 100 and the chargas grab him at slot 7 I doan get credit in my raven draff for him cuz he weren't availible at slot 16 see what i'm sayin?  Now if I have him numba 1 and we move up and snatch him not only do I get credit but for once in he life oz do to. last keep in mine we need dinamic we been draffin bodies and not game changas

On 4/22/2017 at 1:34 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

 

I think u guys are misunderstanding what one is saying. Ray Ray I think is saying what is the point of projecting our rivals pick. If any one of them picks Davis then it destroys the most important mock which is the ravens. Joeyflex is trying to be as accurate as he can with the draft as a whole.

 

yah u got it horseman projectin where otha teams are gonna draff is only good if u thing they are gonna draff ur guy and you wan him so bad u'd deal for him. it mattas nuthin to the ravens who clevland takes unless they afta r guy. one otha thang draffin at slot 16 is the worstest place a team can draff means you missed da playofs and u missin a chance to get a guy like litty less u trade up. to draff at slot 16 yr in and yr out is death by mediogre that why I formalated the deal joe comprehensuv plan

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19 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Like your post. Is that Charles Harris you mean? Don't get me wrong I like Charles Harris. But 16 is a little early for him I think. I would actually be in favor of trading up to early round2 late round1 for him "if"edge rushers begin coming off the board.  Like out of Lawson Williams Harris if 2 are gone by late round 1 I would be in favor of trading up to grab the remaining edge rusher after we land Davis/Foster/Howard/Njoku/in round one.

I know Cam is an option as well. He is Right Tackle only for now. However he has the skills to be a really good left tackle/All pro Right Tackle after some coaching and technique practice. He has athleticism balance power length but has many bad habits. But Davis is my favorite round1. Allen could seriously freefall. Not especially strong or explosive to be a dominant interior penetrator/edge rusher. If he were a lil bigger stronger with his athleticism level he could be great. Even lil more athletic and explosive at his size he would be a real top3 player. But as he stands now he could really struggle with NFL offensive line.

Im high on Harris. I have him 3rd in my edge rusher rankings behind only Garret and Barnett. But i was buying what seemed to be consensus that he was most likely a late 1st round, early 2nd type of guy in most teams' minds.

But everything im hearing now is that he'll be a surprise Top 15 to Top 20 pick.

According to multiple sources there are several teams that view him as the 2nd best pure edge rush talent behind only Garret and is in play for some top 10 teams (especially those who run attacking 4-3 schemes).

Ive heard from reliable sources that Philly is really, really high on him... and while they may have 1 or 2 CB's rated higher, and maybe a WR or RB as well; there's a decent change that all others could be gone and if so they wouldnt hesitate to take Harris there.

He and Humphrey are my 2 sleeper picks that will shock most and be gone by the time we're on the clock. Which is actually a good thing bc itll drop other highly rated prospects to us.

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3 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

let me help ya joey. set up you pics to help the ravens. set up ur top guy with continjecies so oz can read what u wrote down. u got davis raven numba 1 fine but right down how u  wil improv the ravens if davis gets snatchd up befor we get to slot 16. see what i'm sayin joey? now I may like litty best but if I have him as numba 1 in my top 100 and the chargas grab him at slot 7 I doan get credit in my raven draff for him cuz he weren't availible at slot 16 see what i'm sayin?  Now if I have him numba 1 and we move up and snatch him not only do I get credit but for once in he life oz do to. last keep in mine we need dinamic we been draffin bodies and not game changas

yah u got it horseman projectin where otha teams are gonna draff is only good if u thing they are gonna draff ur guy and you wan him so bad u'd deal for him. it mattas nuthin to the ravens who clevland takes unless they afta r guy. one otha thang draffin at slot 16 is the worstest place a team can draff means you missed da playofs and u missin a chance to get a guy like litty less u trade up. to draff at slot 16 yr in and yr out is death by mediogre that why I formalated the deal joe comprehensuv plan

Well thats kind of the point of doing the mock... to role play and imagine who the teams before you are going to take to see if the guy you want will be there; and see who might realistically be there.

Its all well and good to say "I want Malik Hooker!!!" But without projecting who you think will be taken and where you cant really evaluate how far you'd have to move up, and who might be on the board at 16. If Hookers your favorite but you think he's going to go 5th overall which would cost a boatload to move up for, but you think another player who you have rated just slightly below him will be there at 16 -- why would you give it all up? Or, mocking the other teams may make you realize that no one worth while might be there at 16, so maybe i should consider trading up to get my guy. 

Just saying -- here's who i predict the Ravens take, without the context of who the other teams are taking makes it a little hard to understand. And a mock draft isnt about who you want the Ravens to take -- its about what you think will happen. Sometimes the two things come together and thats great... but a lot of the time they dont.

 

Btw, players selected 16th overall -- Taylor Decker, Melvin Gordon, Zack Martin, Ryan Kerrigan, Derrick Morgan, DRC, Shawn Andrews, Troy Polamalu, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas, Jerry Rice.

15th overall -- Corey Coleman, Ryan Shazier, Bruce Irvin, Mike Pouncey, Jason Pierre-Paul, Brian Cushing, Brandon Albert, Lawrence Timmons, Derrick Johnson, Albert Haynesworth

17th overall -- Keanu Neal, Arik Armstead, CJ Mosley, Dre Kirkpatrick, Nate Solder, MIke Iupati, Chad Greenway, Steve Hutchinson, Sebastian Janikowski, Damien Woody, Emmitt Smith, 

14th - Star Lotulelei, Karl Joseph, Devante Parker, Kyle Fuller, Darrell Revis, Robert Quinn, Earl Thomas, Malcolm Jenkins, Thomas Davis, Eddie George, Jim Kelly

18th - Ryan Kelly, Marcus Peters, Melvin Ingram, Maurkice Pouncey, Robert Ayers, Joe Flacco, Leon Hall, Will Smith, Calvin Pace, Willie Gault, Art Monk

 

And that's just recent history with a few real stand outs going back to as early as 1980.

Plenty of very good players and difference making talents right in this range. And with Ozzie, historically any pick in this range or higher has been money. Boller at 19 is the only real blemish on the record.... otherwise hes landed difference making talent with pretty much every pick higher than 20.

Edited April 24 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well thats kind of the point of doing the mock... to role play and imagine who the teams before you are going to take to see if the guy you want will be there; and see who might realistically be there.

Its all well and good to say "I want Malik Hooker!!!" But without projecting who you think will be taken and where you cant really evaluate how far you'd have to move up, and who might be on the board at 16. If Hookers your favorite but you think he's going to go 5th overall which would cost a boatload to move up for, but you think another player who you have rated just slightly below him will be there at 16 -- why would you give it all up? Or, mocking the other teams may make you realize that no one worth while might be there at 16, so maybe i should consider trading up to get my guy. 

Just saying -- here's who i predict the Ravens take, without the context of who the other teams are taking makes it a little hard to understand. And a mock draft isnt about who you want the Ravens to take -- its about what you think will happen. Sometimes the two things come together and thats great... but a lot of the time they dont.

 

Btw, players selected 16th overall -- Taylor Decker, Melvin Gordon, Zack Martin, Ryan Kerrigan, Derrick Morgan, DRC, Shawn Andrews, Troy Polamalu, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas, Jerry Rice.

15th overall -- Corey Coleman, Ryan Shazier, Bruce Irvin, Mike Pouncey, Jason Pierre-Paul, Brian Cushing, Brandon Albert, Lawrence Timmons, Derrick Johnson, Albert Haynesworth

17th overall -- Keanu Neal, Arik Armstead, CJ Mosley, Dre Kirkpatrick, Nate Solder, MIke Iupati, Chad Greenway, Steve Hutchinson, Sebastian Janikowski, Damien Woody, Emmitt Smith, 

14th - Star Lotulelei, Karl Joseph, Devante Parker, Kyle Fuller, Darrell Revis, Robert Quinn, Earl Thomas, Malcolm Jenkins, Thomas Davis, Eddie George, Jim Kelly

18th - Ryan Kelly, Marcus Peters, Melvin Ingram, Maurkice Pouncey, Robert Ayers, Joe Flacco, Leon Hall, Will Smith, Calvin Pace, Willie Gault, Art Monk

 

And that's just recent history with a few real stand outs going back to as early as 1980.

Plenty of very good players and difference making talents right in this range. And with Ozzie, historically any pick in this range or higher has been money. Boller at 19 is the only real blemish on the record.... otherwise hes landed difference making talent with pretty much every pick higher than 20.

Plus boller wasn't really Ozzies pick. That was billick pounding the table