[News] Late For Work 4/21: Will Ravens Make Playoffs? Predicting Regular-Season Record

[Drew P]

36 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

If Fournette makes past 6 the Ravens might move up !

It would cost them dearly. A 4th rounder wont cut it.

[Drew P]

21 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Not familiar w/ his past.  

He knocked some dude out cold by bashing his skull in a drunken rage

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

He knocked some dude out cold by bashing his skull in a drunken rage

A drunken college jock who got in a fight.  Yeah that's abnormal.  /sarcasm

[The Beak]

Maybe we could use a little Bad Boy Mentality ***( Rueben Foster)

[Drew P]

10 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

A drunken college jock who got in a fight.  Yeah that's abnormal.  /sarcasm

A fight? He repeatedly smashed a guys head into a brick wall. He's lucky he isn't in prison.

[Crusader]

How can anyone even talk playoffs when Ravens don't even have a Offensive Line yet?. Am I the only one that remembers the horrors the last time Ravens lost their Center and the replacement could not handle the job?

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

I'm gonna have to disagree w/ you on this one.

I'm pretty certain the Ravens FO changed their philosophy on drafting or signing FA's w/ character/off-field issues after the Rice incident.  

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a player w/ off-field issues that the Ravens have signed since cutting Rice. 

 

28 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

A drunken college jock who got in a fight.  Yeah that's abnormal.  /sarcasm

Oh the irony

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, Crusader said:

How can anyone even talk playoffs when Ravens don't even have a Offensive Line yet?. Am I the only one that remembers the horrors the last time Ravens lost their Center and the replacement could not handle the job?

Here comes the "they are pumped" on Skura comments

[usmccharles]

34 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Here comes the "they are pumped" on Skura comments

Im an optimistic person, but when someone brought him up as a solution to our problem on the line, I thought it was hysterical.  I hope im wrong though, seriously. 

[Adreme]

5 hours ago, billiejean said:

Oaklands offense (on paper) is going to be scary if Carr comes back healthy. The have a solid Oline, one of the best WR in the game and Marshawn running the ball (amusing he can get back into pro bowl form after the year off). Their defense looks scary too, but I would have said the same thing about their D last off season and they had a disappointing season.

The big question for that game is how close is Carr to 100% by week 5.  If it were week 7 or 8 I would say 100% a loss but early in the year the Ravens have a solid shot to pull an upset in that one.  Even without it though this is a pretty nice 10-11 win schedule with only 2 or 3 games that I would say they have little chance to win and even then they get rest before 2 of them.

[Chuckx999]

Lets face it, "GOOD" teams don't care who they play because they expect to "WIN".
We aren't a good team yet. O line??? WR's ??? TE's ??? RB ??? Pass Rushers ???
Mosley and Suggs at LB are OK but those just two can't do it themselves. Secondary should be better, maybe???

[KidNme]

  1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

A drunken college jock who got in a fight.  Yeah that's abnormal.  /sarcasm

A fight? He repeatedly smashed a guys head into a brick wall. He's lucky he isn't in prison.

Ya but, if we could harness his "enthusiasm", Oh boy!...............

[Drew P]

1 minute ago, KidNme said:

Ya but, if we could harness his "enthusiasm", Oh boy!...............

Fueled by Tequila lol

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets face it, "GOOD" teams don't care who they play because they expect to "WIN".
We aren't a good team yet. O line??? WR's ??? TE's ??? RB ??? Pass Rushers ???
Mosley and Suggs at LB are OK but those just two can't do it themselves. Secondary should be better, maybe???

I wish there was this annual thing where we selected players from college.

I also wish there were players that are able to play in the NFL but aren't on a team right now that we could sign whenever we want.

[robbie29]

  5 hours ago, billiejean said:

Oaklands offense (on paper) is going to be scary if Carr comes back healthy. The have a solid Oline, one of the best WR in the game and Marshawn running the ball (amusing he can get back into pro bowl form after the year off). Their defense looks scary too, but I would have said the same thing about their D last off season and they had a disappointing season.

The big question for that game is how close is Carr to 100% by week 5.  If it were week 7 or 8 I would say 100% a loss but early in the year the Ravens have a solid shot to pull an upset in that one.  Even without it though this is a pretty nice 10-11 win schedule with only 2 or 3 games that I would say they have little chance to win and even then they get rest before 2 of them.

Maybe I missed something, but I'm almost certain that Carr's injury was a broken leg. Why are we questioning how close to 100% he will be- by October? There is no question- he will definetely be 100% when we go to OAK bc by then he will have had nearly 10 months to heal. He isn't recovering from a soft tissue injury like an ACL or Achilles tear. The dude is 26 and has already had 5 months to heal a broken bone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already at 100%. Heck, I broke my fibula when I was 25 and five months later I was easily doing PT 5 days a week.

[robbie29]

  19 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets face it, "GOOD" teams don't care who they play because they expect to "WIN".
We aren't a good team yet. O line??? WR's ??? TE's ??? RB ??? Pass Rushers ???
Mosley and Suggs at LB are OK but those just two can't do it themselves. Secondary should be better, maybe???

I wish there was this annual thing where we selected players from college.

I also wish there were players that are able to play in the NFL but aren't on a team right now that we could sign whenever we want.

Amusing sarcasm. There are also these things called injuries. These injuries have had a terrible impact on the Ravens in recent years. Watson, Suggs, J Smith, Perriman...the list goes on. When you also consider the Ravens have 1 playoff appearance in the last 4 years, and their combined record in that same span is below .500- the proof is right there that they are NOT a good team.

[usmccharles]

55 minutes ago, robbie29 said:

Amusing sarcasm. There are also these things called injuries. These injuries have had a terrible impact on the Ravens in recent years. Watson, Suggs, J Smith, Perriman...the list goes on. When you also consider the Ravens have 1 playoff appearance in the last 4 years, and their combined record in that same span is below .500- the proof is right there that they are NOT a good team.

While I agree with injuries having a huge impact, there isn't a significant way to prepare for those injuries other than doing what every team already tries to do: sign the best possible players and then add the best depth players possible.  While I agree we have underperformed 3 out of the last 4 years (hard no to agree compared to the standards set previously), I think most fans forget the amount of change that can take place from year to year, good and bad.  We have made some good additions this offseason as almost every analyst would agree upon, we also still have the draft coming up (as my sarcasm remarks made clear), so imo most fans want love to throw around the phrase "Not For Long" league only when it comes to bashing but choose to ignore the upside of "Not For Long." 

While you may think we are not a good team, what we finished the last 3 out 4 years really doesn't matter, but last year can be used as a basis.  We may have been 8 and 8 but its not like we were completely out of contention.  I honestly believe that if Jimmy doesn't go down, we would of made the playoffs, which eluded to your point of injuries.  So what did we do?  Signed the best DB FA on the market.  Signed a more than capable #2 corner who has started every game for 9 years.  We signed Webb for depth, which I find absolutely hilarious that people bash that signing.  We have Young who is a promising young CB.  I know there is concerns about Jimmy's health, but I don't think there is any reason not be excited with the secondary we will field.

I will say that the pass rush situation worries me as well as the OL. 

I believe im a realist and I see no reason why we cant compete, even at 8-8, that's competing.  Don't confuse your standard of success to the actual act of succeeding, Meaning: So what if we go 8-8 and squeak into the playoffs, so what if we don't win the division but still make the playoffs, playoffs mean we have a chance to go all the way.  Just because we don't go 12-4 every year doesn't mean we aren't a good time. 

Edited April 21 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

  2 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets face it, "GOOD" teams don't care who they play because they expect to "WIN".
We aren't a good team yet. O line??? WR's ??? TE's ??? RB ??? Pass Rushers ???
Mosley and Suggs at LB are OK but those just two can't do it themselves. Secondary should be better, maybe???

I wish there was this annual thing where we selected players from college.

I also wish there were players that are able to play in the NFL but aren't on a team right now that we could sign whenever we want.

Amusing sarcasm. There are also these things called injuries. These injuries have had a terrible impact on the Ravens in recent years. Watson, Suggs, J Smith, Perriman...the list goes on. When you also consider the Ravens have 1 playoff appearance in the last 4 years, and their combined record in that same span is below .500- the proof is right there that they are NOT a good team.

Injuries are a crutch that bad teams use to convince themselves that they would be good without the injuries, which they likely wouldn't be.

2012 had a very injury riddled team, and in 2014, we were playing with literally like 4th and 5th string corners.

When you surround yourself with good talent and reasonable depth, barring a long term injury to a franchise player like a QB, you can overcome injuries.

Plus you missed the point of his sarcasm. His point was to throw shade on people who look at our roster right now and act like its final and there's nothing we can do to change it.

[stampedehero]

Another 8-8 season would make me feel like a successful jets fan.

[bioLarzen]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Injuries are a crutch that bad teams use to convince themselves that they would be good without the injuries, which they likely wouldn't be.

Wait... are you implying losing some of the key players doesn't leave any team weaker?

[bioLarzen]

17 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

If Fournette makes past 6 the Ravens might move up !

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

[757RavensFan]

16 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

To move up 9 spots in the first would take a king's ransom. Especially moving into the top 10. Also considering that we only have 7 picks this draft, there's no way in hell Ozzie could afford to make that type of trade. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Wait... are you implying losing some of the key players doesn't leave any team weaker?

Leave them weaker? Certainly.

Unable to overcome those injuries? Not even close. On literally any team in the league, there's maybe 1-2 players at most who the team literally can't compete without.

We've had All Pro or even HOF players on this team miss significant time, and we still managed to win a lot of games.

In most cases, the franchise QB is about the only player on the team that they can't afford to lose these days.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

In theory, a 2 and a 3. 

Realistically, probably a 2018 first rounder.

[eze17]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Wait... are you implying losing some of the key players doesn't leave any team weaker?

Leave them weaker? Certainly.

Unable to overcome those injuries? Not even close. On literally any team in the league, there's maybe 1-2 players at most who the team literally can't compete without.

We've had All Pro or even HOF players on this team miss significant time, and we still managed to win a lot of games.

In most cases, the franchise QB is about the only player on the team that they can't afford to lose these days.

I would also add that when teams lose their starting CB's it can take a definate toll on the overall play of said team...we need only to look at the Raven's overall D when we lose Jimmy Smith. Most teams only have 2, and if they're lucky 3 legitimate starters at CB, the rest are " do not use unless desperate" players who may hold their own in dime packages against mediocre WR's, but get torched by starters.

I could also make a case that losing your starting center can affect a team to a bigger degree than most other positions. Not all teams have a quality back-up who can come right in and not miss a beat. QB's like to have that solid guy they depend on, and iv'e seen plenty of occasions where losing a center can really hurt a team.

[bigcatfrank1]

  22 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

If Fournette makes past 6 the Ravens might move up !

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

Well lets look at it from a different perspective, At #7 The Chargers are most probably looking for Safety or WR help. If they think that they can move down and still get a player that is on their board, then they may be motivated by additional picks this year and next.

Sure the question is would Fournette be worth the sacrifice of lets say one of the extra #3's this year and a #2 next year /or even a throw in a player on the roster maybe a TE ( we have plenty) This is not out of the question. Its all about the deal.

The Ravens, inside camp, if potentially make the play-offs especially deep, will not have very favorable picks next year. This could be the move of the next 2 years. Is Fournette the real deal?

[bigcatfrank1]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

In theory, a 2 and a 3. 

Realistically, probably a 2018 first rounder.

I dont know how the front office actually feels about Fournette. I can tell you that from a play-by-play fan, I see a need for a top tier RB on the Ravens.
I am not giving up on West and Dixon, I just have not seen West make his jump to #1. Dixon is young and he had tremendous potential, is he the #1?
Obviously, though an incredible veteran, Woodhead is a band-aid and will not be around much longer.

WIll the Ravens have a shot at drafting a #1 RB in the next 2 years?

[bigcatfrank1]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

To move up 9 spots in the first would take a king's ransom. Especially moving into the top 10. Also considering that we only have 7 picks this draft, there's no way in hell Ozzie could afford to make that type of trade. 

It really comes down to would the teams at 7- 12 move down. OZ can make any deal he wants, give up the farm no, but give up chickens for a rooster maybe.

[bigcatfrank1]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  22 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

If Fournette makes past 6 the Ravens might move up !

Just curious: do you know what pick package Ozzie should give up to trade up to, let's say #7?

Well lets look at it from a different perspective, At #7 The Chargers are most probably looking for Safety or WR help. If they think that they can move down and still get a player that is on their board, then they may be motivated by additional picks this year and next.

Sure the question is would Fournette be worth the sacrifice of lets say one of the extra #3's this year and a #2 next year /or even a throw in a player on the roster maybe a TE ( we have plenty) This is not out of the question. Its all about the deal.

The Ravens, inside camp, if potentially make the play-offs especially deep, will not have very favorable picks next year. This could be the move of the next 2 years. Is Fournette the real deal?

I say The Las Vegas Chargers for a reason, this team is in a very trepidatious time. The LV Chargers could be looking at 3 years from now, they know they are most probably not facing a potential "win it all" situation this year. This then could have major impact on a trade deal for a team such as the Ravens at 16, who would be very motivated if Fournette were to fall past #6.
This is the primary reason, I say at #7, that OZ and the FO to look at certain scenarios. This happens all the time, sure a deal is not made when a team has to give up more than they are willing duh, what I am saying is would the Ravens look at this? I think I would, even make a call if I were them.

[Bruce_Almty]

6 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

It really comes down to would the teams at 7- 12 move down. OZ can make any deal he wants, give up the farm no, but give up chickens for a rooster maybe.

I'd prefer taking Christian McCaffrey and retaining our draft picks. We could use everything Mac brings to the table: RB, WR, PR/KR.