JJ mock draft 3.0

[hn68wb4]

22 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

RT, ILB, and 3/5T are all positions where the ravens can and should feel comfortable with what they already have on the roster. 

You don't always need to draft a player to replace a departure. If you have young unproven guys in house already, then what's the difference between using those unprovens vs drafting another unproven? A potential waste of picks, that's the difference

I understand the sentiment, but I don't see how you can honestly include RT in that. 3/5T and ILB are fine, we've got options already there and we have a history of finding guys late/undrafted to fill those spots adequately. But unless we plan to move Lewis to RT we currently can't feel comfortable with a competition between 2 guys that spent last year on the practice squad for the starting job and Hurst. Nobody said that means we have to take one early, the one you responded to was just pointing out that it wasn't addressed at all. We have a history of finding solid RTs in the mid rounds, not UDFA. Of course if Lewis is moved out then this is all irrelevant, but we can't just assume that he's going to.

Even if we aren't looking for a starter, depth on the line was still a big problem last year, even before we lost two starters this offseason.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I understand the sentiment, but I don't see how you can honestly include RT in that. 3/5T and ILB are fine, we've got options already there and we have a history of finding guys late/undrafted to fill those spots adequately. But unless we plan to move Lewis to RT we currently can't feel comfortable with a competition between 2 guys that spent last year on the practice squad for the starting job and Hurst. Nobody said that means we have to take one early, the one you responded to was just pointing out that it wasn't addressed at all. We have a history of finding solid RTs in the mid rounds, not UDFA. Of course if Lewis is moved out then this is all irrelevant, but we can't just assume that he's going to.

Even if we aren't looking for a starter, depth on the line was still a big problem last year, even before we lost two starters this offseason.

Oh I'm not saying that I don't think we need to address RT, just that we have consistently had guys step up out of nowhere and play solid enough for us, so if the FO is comfortable with Wesley and nembot then I will defer to them, however I couldn't get behind not addressing at least two out of: secondary, edge rush, and wr. That's one that we need to do something about because we haven't been able to produce home grown talent there

[Drew P]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So oz cant hit on a mid round pick? Did you watch us play in 2016? Tavon, Dixon, Judon, Lewis.. the best guard in the league was a 3rd round pick by Ozzie. The best NT in the league was a 3rd round pick by Ozzie, a 4th by Ozzie just about doubled the highest contract ever for a FB, there is plenty more on that list of ozzie mid round home runs.

And if that's the case then how come not every team finds quality UDFAs? Prospects have to be sought out and actively pursued, these guys might have 1 or 2 teams calling them. The ravens are absolutely finding UDFAs not just waiting for them to come. What do you think they just walk into the castle and say "hey I'd like a contract here" and the FO rejoices at the opportunity? No lol

Again, you go off on some tangent and put words down I never did.

Just because someone gets paid doesn't make them the "best".

All teams hit on UDFA's some better than others. One reason the Ravens jump out are most likely you are hyper focused on the Ravens.

Point is if Oz is so great and they have a elite QB they should be able to beat the Bungles and at least sniff the playoffs.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

Again, you go off on some tangent and put words down I never did.

Just because someone gets paid doesn't make them the "best".

All teams hit on UDFA's some better than others. One reason the Ravens jump out are most likely you are hyper focused on the Ravens.

Point is if Oz is so great and they have a elite QB they should be able to beat the Bungles and at least sniff the playoffs.

Players of low value positions get paid because they are good, not because teams are eager to sign a check, listen to yourself... 

i am hyper focused on the ravens obviously but that doesn't mean anything, the ravens are very well known for finding a lot of undrafted gems, probably more than any team besides the pats. If you argue we are anything less than top 5 in undeafted gems you are kidding yourself. Same with mid round drafting.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Again, you go off on some tangent and put words down I never did.

Just because someone gets paid doesn't make them the "best".

All teams hit on UDFA's some better than others. One reason the Ravens jump out are most likely you are hyper focused on the Ravens.

Point is if Oz is so great and they have a elite QB they should be able to beat the Bungles and at least sniff the playoffs.

What is your definition of "sniffing" the playoffs? Bc im pretty confused.

And citing one matchup with a division rival is a dumb argument. If the Steelers are so good and make the playoffs all the time, how come theyre, what, 5-1 against us in the last 6 match ups and that 1 win took a last second TD drive to barely beat us? 

Case closed. Were better than the Steelers. And the Steelers are better than the Bengals. And the Bengals are better than us. Which means..... dumb argument.

 

The NFL is cyclical. Its literally designed to promote parity. If youre really, really good you can beat the system for a little while.... but it eventually catches up with everyone. We had an almost unrivaled stretch of success in modern history. That means we had the deck stacked against us (in terms of replenishing talent) more than anyone else over a long stretch as well.

We're feeling the effects of that now. But, with a cpl down years and nice draft position; Oz will prove hes still got it and restack the deck for another run.

You dont have to believe that.... but if you dont understand how the NFL works and just how difficult the draft is, and how good Ozzie has been at defying those odds - i dont know what to tell ya.

Most NFL GM's would tell you, if you get 2 starters from a draft its a huge success. Anything more and youre killing it. Around here -- we look at a draft where we only get Brandon Williams and Ricky Wagner as a complete bust of a draft. 

Unrealistic expectations, and no sense of what its actually like with other teams. Look at the Bungles now. After a run of drafting top 10 for 10 straight years they had a really talented roster on cheap contracts... now after a cpl years of success they're struggling as everyone leaves for bigger contracts. Look at the Seahawks... rose to prominence on the back of really solid drafting. Same thing, contended for a couple years with star players on cheap deals. Now that theyve paid the main guys, talent is leaving left and right and theyre falling back in a big way.

 

Be thankful that our down years, we're still in position to win the division with 1 or 2 games to go.... and we're only ever down for 2-3 years max.

[Drew P]

14 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

What is your definition of "sniffing" the playoffs? Bc im pretty confused.

And citing one matchup with a division rival is a dumb argument. If the Steelers are so good and make the playoffs all the time, how come theyre, what, 5-1 against us in the last 6 match ups and that 1 win took a last second TD drive to barely beat us? 

Case closed. Were better than the Steelers. And the Steelers are better than the Bengals. And the Bengals are better than us. Which means..... dumb argument.

 

I dont recall making an "argument", it's called a statement.

So your definition of being better than another division team (Steelers) is by finishing below them in the standings?

Now I'm the confused one...

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I dont recall making an "argument", it's called a statement.

So your definition of being better than another division team (Steelers) is by finishing below them in the standings?

Now I'm the confused one...

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[Drew P]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Players of low value positions get paid because they are good, not because teams are eager to sign a check, listen to yourself... 

i am hyper focused on the ravens obviously but that doesn't mean anything, the ravens are very well known for finding a lot of undrafted gems, probably more than any team besides the pats. If you argue we are anything less than top 5 in undeafted gems you are kidding yourself. Same with mid round drafting.

Yippee that and 5$ should get them a cup of swill from starbucks.

 

[Drew P]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

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I did. And i changed my tune. At 8-8 the Ravens are a better team than the division winning Steelers. A team that went to the playoffs again, while the better team, the Ravens played golf. Ozzie is a better GM than the Steelers have because they got better UDFA's and wonderful 4th rounders. Got it.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I did. And i changed my tune. At 8-8 the Ravens are a better team than the division winning Steelers. A team that went to the playoffs again, while the better team, the Ravens played golf. Ozzie is a better GM than the Steelers have because they got better UDFA's and wonderful 4th rounders. Got it.

I was referring to you missing the point. You used a divisional matchup to declare the steelers better than the ravens, bold was pointing out why that is wrong, clearly something you missed. 

Apparently you also missed where the steelers struggled or failed to make the playoffs for years after paying Ben and their aging veterans. You probably also missed part where the same happened to us and we are suffering the same mediocrity as a result. Ya know, parity. 

And sure, downplay the value of making strong picks in the mid rounds, you're probably the same type to slam Ozzie for not finding Antonio brown in the 6th, solid assumption since you seem to baselessly slam Ozzie regardless. Bias and Hypocrisy is all this is.

[Drew P]

36 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was referring to you missing the point. You used a divisional matchup to declare the steelers better than the ravens, bold was pointing out why that is wrong, clearly something you missed. 

Apparently you also missed where the steelers struggled or failed to make the playoffs for years after paying Ben and their aging veterans. You probably also missed part where the same happened to us and we are suffering the same mediocrity as a result. Ya know, parity. 

And sure, downplay the value of making strong picks in the mid rounds, you're probably the same type to slam Ozzie for not finding Antonio brown in the 6th, solid assumption since you seem to baselessly slam Ozzie regardless. Bias and Hypocrisy is all this is.

Applying that ridiculous analogy: The Ravens sweep the Steelers but The Steelers win the SB and the Ravens finish 2-14, the Ravens are still better lol.

Another great analogy in Antonio Brown..Ozzie's strong suit -WR's. Shall we list that dreaded cast of whiffs? It would consume too much data storage for that list probably crash the site.

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Applying that ridiculous analogy: The Ravens sweep the Steelers but The Steelers win the SB and the Ravens finish 2-14, the Ravens are still better lol.

Another great analogy in Antonio Brown..Ozzie's strong suit -WR's. Shall we list that dreaded cast of whiffs? It would consume too much data storage for that list probably crash the site.

You once again miss the point of the point you initially brought up... 

 

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, Drew P said:

Again, you go off on some tangent and put words down I never did.

Just because someone gets paid doesn't make them the "best".

All teams hit on UDFA's some better than others. One reason the Ravens jump out are most likely you are hyper focused on the Ravens.

Point is if Oz is so great and they have a elite QB they should be able to beat the Bungles and at least sniff the playoffs.

Joey 'went off' because you stated Oz cant find mid round picks which is something that is considered his most successful area by almost everyone.  Hell, even on here, haters of Oz have even said might as well trade our first and second so we can stack up the mid rounds where Oz kills it.  I get the point your trying to make and I think others do, but then you say stuff that's just not true or contradicts your points. 

Once again, who said we have an elite QB? Does anyone on here even think that?  Im a big Joe supporter....he is not elite.

And I don't get how we aren't sniffing the playoffs, sometimes there is a difference between being optimistic and realistic, but I believe the Ravens making the playoffs falls into both categories here and I think its harder to argue that we have a lesser chance than more of a chance. 

Edited April 21 by usmccharles

[Drew P]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Joey 'went off' because you stated Oz cant find mid round picks which is something that is considered his most successful area by almost everyone.  Hell, even on here, haters of Oz have even said might as well trade our first and second so we can stack up the mid rounds where Oz kills it.  I get the point your trying to make and I think others do, but then you say stuff that's just not true or contradicts your points. 

Once again, who said we have an elite QB? Does anyone on here even think that?  Im a big Joe supporter....he is not elite.

And I don't get how we aren't sniffing the playoffs, sometimes there is a difference between being optimistic and realistic, but I believe the Ravens making the playoffs falls into both categories here and I think its harder to argue that we have a lesser chance than more of a chance. 

Uh no, I never said he couldn't hit on mid round picks.

I clearly stated Whom COULDN'T hit when you get a ton of mid round comp. picks each year?

And I didnt pay Joe big $ the FO did so apparently some circles think highly of him

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

I clearly stated Whom COULDN'T hit when you get a ton of mid round comp. picks each year?

And I didnt pay Joe big $ the FO did so apparently some circles think highly of him

So Your saying we don't hit on mid round comp picks But we do on regular mid round picks? Im guessing your going to elude to the fact whats the point of collecting comp picks when we don't hit, which I guess you can make the case for, I just think the premise would be wrong.  Or maybe im not comprehending your point. 

Or some people just understand what market value means, ironic how most people who don't like Joe don't understand the market value premise.  While those who support Joe do understand market value, that doesn't mean/imply he is elite their minds.  The number one player at a position as far as talent might be the highest paid player for a year, then because of inflation of the salary cap, someone else signs a deal who makes them higher paid. 

[January J]

Back to the topic at hand please..

[52520Andrew]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

Back to the topic at hand please..

Yeah I don't see anything talking about Jake Butt on this thread