Draft Rumor Mill

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

he's such an overrated prospect. He's a worse version of michael oher..

 

He's stronger and more athletic than Oher ever was, and doesn't get false starts constantly. 

I think Robinson will be like K.O., an average rt that will move inside and become a pro bowl calibre guard.

[Sami84]

11 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

He's stronger and more athletic than Oher ever was, and doesn't get false starts constantly. 

I think Robinson will be like K.O., an average rt that will move inside and become a pro bowl calibre guard.

 

stronger than Oher? No chance.

[ellicottraven]

17 minutes ago, Drew P said:

suck that gut in

You noticed that too! lol

[trevorsteadman]

16 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

He's stronger and more athletic than Oher ever was, and doesn't get false starts constantly. 

I think Robinson will be like K.O., an average rt that will move inside and become a pro bowl calibre guard.

I don't think he is even close to being as strong as Oher. He will be a solid guard at the NFL level, but I still don't believe he is worth a top 20 pick. I'm a big fan of upgrading the o-line but I think you can find guys later in the draft to fill that need.

[Sami84]

30 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

He's stronger and more athletic than Oher ever was, and doesn't get false starts constantly. 

I think Robinson will be like K.O., an average rt that will move inside and become a pro bowl calibre guard.

 

oh and you clearly havent watched cam as he's a false start machine.

There is no way ozzie is dumb enough to take a poor mans michael oher with the 16th pick. Oher himself was picked in the late teens if i remember correctly.

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

What do you guys make of Lamp's agent implying through a tweet that Forrest Lamp may be our pick at 16?

http://ebonybird.com/2017/04/25/did-forrest-lamps-agent-hint-at-the-baltimore-ravens-taking-him-in-the-draft/

For one, if Lamp is our pick he needs to not reference us taking him or any team for that matter. We haven't met with Lamp throughout the process(assuming Ozzie wants to keep the interest a secret) and now his agent tweets this, I'm sure Ozzie wanted to keep it on the down low we were going to take him.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

i wouldnt get too upset.

Why exactly 2 days before the draft would anyone from the Ravens release who theyre planning on taking?? Makes 0 sense.

"Cam enters the conversation" and "cam is the likely pick" are 2 separate things.

 

 

Well cam seems like possibly the most typical Ozzie pick ever. And picking him over guys like Corey Davis is also typical. I mean he would've taken Mosley over beckham... why wouldn't he take cam over Davis lol

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

If it is Robinson (which I really hope it isn't), I would want him at tackle over guard. His strengths as a player are his long arms and decent kick step. I don't think he's the kind of player who improves by being moved to guard. 

 

48 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

My impression is that he plays way too high up to make a difference in the run game against NFL DTs. It might be fixable but I wouldnt count on it.

 Im not even saying his footwork is amazing, but getting good depth on a kick step is one of the biggest things I've seen tackles struggle with and that seems to be something he did well (albeit inconsistently). 

Wut

[BmoreBird22]

I wouldn't read into any potential picks that are leaked this week. I'd expect they don't get picked. 

Last year, Stanley to SD being false was the thickest smoke screen Matt Miller had ever seen if it weren't true. Noah Spence was the Ravens pick if he were there in the second and he got passed on twice. 

I'd Google that MM article from last year.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well cam seems like possibly the most typical Ozzie pick ever. And picking him over guys like Corey Davis is also typical. I mean he would've taken Mosley over beckham... why wouldn't he take cam over Davis lol

No i hear ya... im just saying that those tweets dont make it any more or less likely.

Suddenly some Ravens employee didnt leak the team's draft plan. They dont even let anyone see the big board really.

[Ravenskid52752]

Talking about Forrest Lamp for the 16th pick

 

 

Jeff Zrebiec‏ @jeffzrebiecsun

 

Replying to @G6ix__

He's best OL in the draft and can play tackle, center and guard. So sure, he'll be under consideration.

Edited April 25 by Ravenskid52752

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Per Tony Pauline:

I was told two interesting nuggets on the Baltimore Ravens last night: 1) if they hold onto the 16th selection, offensive tackle Cam Robinson enters the conversation as the pick and 2) if they trade down, the target is likely Takkarist McKinley, a favorite of Ozzie Newsome over the past six months.

I might actually want Robinson now, given the other option lol. Takk may have a good motor, but he's so raw. I only want him if he's a 2nd round pick; first round is too high for someone who requires so much development. 

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tbf Alabama doesn't seem to coach linemen well. When is the last time a quality G or T has come out of Alabama? Wouldn't exactly hold the program in high regards there

Chance Warmack, DJ Fluker, Barrett Jones, and the Kouandjio brothers aren't really good names to follow lol. 

[Sami84]

Just now, Maryland said:

I might actually want Robinson now, given the other option lol. Takk may have a good motor, but he's so raw. I only want him if he's a 2nd round pick; first round is too high for someone who requires so much development. 

Chance Warmack, DJ Fluker, Barrett Jones, and the Kouandjio brothers aren't really good names to follow lol. 

 

i really think he actually falls in line with those prospects to a tee.

[Maryland]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/19233844/todd-mcshay-2017-nfl-draft-buzz-everything-hearing

An article from McShay regarding rumors he's heard. 

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1. How many QBs will go in Round 1? My guess is three, based on talking to folks in the league: North Carolina's Mitchell Trubisky, Clemson's Deshaun Watson and Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes. The one name I keep hearing a bunch is Cal's Davis Webb. Some people like him a lot more than I do. I'm not sure that means he'll go in Round 1, but he's a name to keep an eye on.

2. Alabama ILB Reuben Foster and Florida State RB Dalvin Cook are two players who have gotten a lot of attention in draft circles for off-field concerns. Their status varies depending on the team you're talking to, but Cook appears to have the potential to fall a little bit more than Foster. Here's the latest based on what I've heard:

On Foster: One person I spoke to said the Indianapolis Colts could end up being the parachute pick for Foster at No. 15 overall, given how they're trying to overhaul the defensive side of the ball. If he doesn't go there, the Redskins two picks later could be in play.

On Cook: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers really like Cook and will strongly consider him if he's on the board at No. 19. The concerns with Cook are who he surrounds himself with, so keeping him in the state of Florida would be a risk, considering that's where he went to college and grew up (Miami).

3. Are the Browns really waffling on taking Myles Garrett No. 1 overall? One person in the league told me you can bet as much as you want on Cleveland taking the Texas A&M pass-rusher. The biggest question facing the Browns: Do they sit patiently at pick No. 12 or try to move up for a quarterback? Everything I've pieced together is that they like Trubisky the best among the quarterbacks. There's some thought that Cleveland might have to trade ahead of the Jets at No. 6 if they really want the North Carolina QB.

4. Speaking of the Jets: I've been getting mixed reports on whether they're really interested in Trubisky, or if they're just trying to making it appear like they are so some team (like Cleveland) trades ahead of them. The latter strategy would make sense. Think about it: If Jets know they don't want to spend the sixth pick on a QB, the best possible scenario is to have someone trade above them and take a passer, leaving one more non-QB for the Jets to choose from.

5. Two teams continue to come up in conversations about Mahomes: the Arizona Cardinals and Kansas City Chiefs. The closer we get to the draft, I'm not sure the Texas Tech QB will still be around when the Chiefs are on the clock at No. 27 overall.

6. One interesting nugget I've picked up on when talking to teams about quarterbacks: Those that don't need a passer prefer Watson. They cite his intangibles and the ability to raise his play in the biggest moments. Trubisky and Mahomes seem to be of more interest among teams that actually need a QB. I'm having a hard time narrowing down exactly where Watson will go.

7. From the people I talk to, the Carolina Panthers are getting a lot of love as a landing spot for Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey at No. 8 overall -- even if LSU's Leonard Fournette is still on the board. You can certainly make the case for the Panthers going that direction, considering they have a need at both running back and slot receiver, and McCaffrey could help fill both holes. One interesting connection: Lance Taylor, who's now Carolina's receivers coach, was McCaffrey's running backs coach for three seasons at Stanford.

8. If McCaffrey slips past Carolina at No. 8, New Orleans would be an interesting landing spot for him at No. 11, but I'm not sure how Adrian Peterson potentially signing with the Saints would affect that thinking. Regardless, there's a strong likelihood New Orleans will end up taking a pass-rusher or defensive back at No. 11. Three names to keep an eye on: Tennessee DE Derek Barnett, Temple ILB Haason Reddick and Ohio State S Malik Hooker. During the Saints' three-year playoff drought, they've ranked near the bottom of the league in a host of defensive categories, including points per game. It wouldn't surprise me to see New Orleans use each of its first-round picks to address its defense.

9. Everyone I've talked to has mentioned the same three teams as being the most interested in trading down. Let's run through them individually:

Tennessee Titans: This is the team in the top 10 that's most likely to trade down. Jon Robinson showed a willingness to move up and down the board in his first draft as GM, and the Titans want to recoup the second-rounder they lost in the deal to move up and draft OT Jack Conklin last year. So there could be mutual interest between Tennessee and a team looking to trade above the Jets for a QB. If the Titans are unable to work out a deal, I'm hearing they'll take the best defensive back on the board, with Jamal Adams and Marshon Lattimore being the two favorites. Hooker, the Ohio State safety, is also an option, but his recent surgeries are a wild card.

Assuming they get a DB with their first pick, the Titans will be hoping that Clemson WR Mike Williams falls to No. 18, where Tennessee picks again. Based on what I'm hearing, though, Western Michigan's Corey Davis is much more likely than Williams to fall that far.

Chicago Bears: The Bears have five picks in the first four rounds, but they wouldn't mind adding a few more to the pile. If they're unable to find a trade partner, I keep hearing Adams' and Solomon Thomas' names come up in connection with Chicago. For a while I thought Alabama DL Jonathan Allen was in play -- and he could still be -- but I'm not hearing as much buzz about that anymore. Everyone is speculating whether Allen could fall over concerns surrounding his shoulder. I've gotten mixed opinions throughout the league on his medical prognosis.

San Francisco 49ers: The thinking here is that there's just not a big difference between a player you're going to pick at No. 2 and the one coming off the board around No. 12. Plus, this is a very deep draft in Rounds 2-4. The three names I hear the most for the 49ers if they're unable to move down: Thomas, Adams and Lattimore. Adams would make a ton of sense. He's probably the cleanest player in this entire draft, both on and off the field. It's not hard to imagine former safety John Lynch using his first pick as San Francisco's GM on Adams, considering it's a position of need.

10. Maybe it's recency bias, but it feels like this draft has more top players with character or durability issues than any other I can remember. Just in the past week, we've had Foster and Michigan S Jabrill Peppers test positive for dilute samples and Florida DT Caleb Brantley get charged with battery for allegedly punching a woman. More of my conversations than in other years seem to be centered around teams searching for the cleanest players in the draft. It's one of the reasons guys like Adams, McCaffrey and Alabama TE O.J. Howard -- all of whom could be top-10 picks -- are picking up steam while others are falling.

11. According to folks I've talked to, it's not likely Hooker comes off the board in the first five picks, but I feel really good about saying he'll be selected somewhere between Nos. 6 and 13. The Jets, Chargers, Saints, Browns and Cardinals all have a varying degree of need at safety in that range.

12. Reddick, the Temple LB, really boosted his stock with his performances at the Senior Bowl and combine. Multiple people I talked to think he will be a top-15 pick and wouldn't be shocked if he went in the top 10.

13. Houston pass-rusher Tyus Bowser is another player who will probably go earlier than the public perception. I was told from a high-ranking personnel exec that Bowser will be a first-round pick. Multiple teams picking near the bottom of Round 1 have a need at pass-rusher.

14. Barnett, the Tennessee pass-rusher, is one of the most debated players within draft rooms right now. Those advocating for him point to his elite production, instincts and hand usage as pass-rusher, while others are holding his athletic limitations/tightness against him. He could come off the board as high as No. 9 overall to the Bengals, according to one person I spoke to. I feel good saying Barnett will end up being a top-20 pick when it's all said and done.

Here are a few other players being widely debated, along with the range in which they could be selected:

Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama: Pick No. 15 to the end of Round 1

T.J. Watt, OLB Wisconsin: Late first round to late second round

Kevin King, CB, Washington: Late first round to middle second round

Marlon Humphrey, CB Alabama: Between picks 20 and 50

Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC: Late first round to middle second round

[Deflated Football]

Ozzie and company can try to "mimic" Dallas' offensive line all they want, but what's the point with average RB's in West and a suspended Dixon with Wallace (a one trick pony) being our best WR on the roster? I'm pounding the table for Mike Williams or Corey Davis. They're much more refined than Breshad. Get Flacco a freakin' reliable guy who's young!

[RaineV1]

Mahomes to the Cards make a lot sense. They can let him sit behind Palmer for a year, and he fits their aggressive passing game.

[Sami84]

I blame brandon williams for all this. HIs ridiculous overpaid contract stopped us from filling more holes. We could have got Wagner and Zeitler. Heck we could have made a play for pryor.

 

Makes you wonder how much we could have paid aaron donald if he were a raven? 200 million?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Ozzie and company can try to "mimic" Dallas' offensive line all they want, but what's the point with average RB's in West and a suspended Dixon with Wallace (a one trick pony) being our best WR on the roster? I'm pounding the table for Mike Williams or Corey Davis. They're much more refined than Breshad. Get Flacco a freakin' reliable guy who's young!

Well.. how bout this logic for ya...

Whats the point of nice shiny toys if Flacco is getting pressure in his lap after 1 second and the RB's are getting hit 2 yds in the back field every play.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I blame brandon williams for all this. HIs ridiculous overpaid contract stopped us from filling more holes. We could have got Wagner and Zeitler. Heck we could have made a play for pryor.

 

Makes you wonder how much we could have paid aaron donald if he were a raven? 200 million?

Dude youre geeking out over a report from some guy who has no connections.

"Oh i heard last night that the Ravens might consider Cam Robinson at 16..."

OMG were taking Cam, the Ravens sucks -- ozzie is senile...

 

Chillax.

I'll go ahead and tweet that we're taking Jordan Willis if it makes you feel better.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

I don't know much about Cam but if we draft him is he moving to right tackle?

[BmoreBird22]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705378-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-draft-buzz-updated-big-board-more

This is an example from this year of what I talked about.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

I don't know much about Cam but if we draft him is he moving to right tackle?

If we do I hope he's at guard. Not RT.

 

that being said if the unthinkable happens(we move Stanley to RT and Robinson at LT. Which is impossible) my rage will be incalculable.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If we do I hope he's at guard. Not RT.

 

that being said if the unthinkable happens(we move Stanley to RT and Robinson at LT. Which is impossible) my rage will be incalculable.

But why? Alex Lewis was doing great at LG.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Ravens draft picks have been selected to a combined 42 Pro Bowls since 2002. 1 more than the Patriots, and 3rd in the NFL

Dallas tops the list with 52.

 

Totally unrelated.... but, yea Oz sucks at drafting. 

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ravens draft picks have been selected to a combined 42 Pro Bowls since 2002. 1 more than the Patriots, and 3rd in the NFL

Dallas tops the list with 52.

 

Totally unrelated.... but, yea Oz sucks at drafting. 

 

how many since 2008? only need 1 hand..

 

thats my point. He's lived off his early drafts. Most of those pro bowls have come from 5 players in particular...all drafted well over a decade ago PLUS

[jboy19]

57 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

Wut

It's mainly his lack of instincts that I think would kill him at guard. His kick-slide gets enough depth and he plays with a wide enough base that I think theres something to work with at right tackle. 

Either way drafting Robinson makes me a Robinson fan and it appears I might need to prepare myself for that reality. 

[hn68wb4]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

My impression is that he plays way too high up to make a difference in the run game against NFL DTs. It might be fixable but I wouldnt count on it.

 Im not even saying his footwork is amazing, but getting good depth on a kick step is one of the biggest things I've seen tackles struggle with and that seems to be something he did well (albeit inconsistently). 

We may not come to any sort of agreement here, because I came away with a very different impression when watching tape.

He plays high at OT, that's how he compensates for having poor footwork, he stays high so he can recover quickly. His kick out is usually not correct or very deep at all, every once in a while he'll have a good one, but I'm sure you can see any OT get a good kick out every now and then. Usually its shallow and after the initial kick out he moves towards the defender - it's no wonder why he has so much trouble with quick guys. Honestly, watch him versus Barnett and he was struggling to recover all game, and Barnett isn't even a very athletic guy. That should tell you all you need to know about his footwork, it's very poor most of the time and sometimes it's barely adequate. He's toast against guys that can bend the edge.

He'd be so much better served getting moved to guard. He can be an ok RT, but he's much better suited for inside work where his strength can be best utilized and his footwork issues alleviated to an extent.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

how many since 2008? only need 1 hand..

 

thats my point. He's lived off his early drafts. Most of those pro bowls have come from 5 players in particular...all drafted well over a decade ago PLUS

And how many top picks has he had? Most of those pre-2008 picks were top 10.

Every pick above 19 hes nailed.

 

Plus.. Flacco's been selected and turned down, Ray Rice, KO shouldve been if he hasnt, McPhee shouldve been if he hasnt yet, BWill prob shouldve made it 2 years ago, Wagner should have made it 2014 or last year, Juice, Tucker, Koch, Mosley, Stanley will eventually. Jimmy and Webb have each had a season where they were deserving. I think there are a couple who wouldve made it in 2012 if we werent playing in the SB.

4-5 players... 10+ that have deserved a spot.

Tell me which team has drafted the most since 2008?

Edited April 25 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Dewy101]

4 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I can live with Robinson as the pick. He could be a great guard. He's not my first choice, but if Mike Williams and Barnett are off the board, then so be it. It'll groan a bit at first, but then be happy when he's opening big running lanes.

Don't see it happening seems like a smokescreen to me. Not doubt in my mind that Forest Lamp is the best offensive lineman in the draft. I remember the Ravens being enamored with Zach Martin and I think Lamp fits that mold of offensive lineman

[BmoreBird22]

Breer listed Marlon Humphrey as a corner the NFL likes more than the public.

I strongly expect him in play at 16.