Draft Rumor Mill

[ALI624]

Well it's being reported that Jabrill Peppers had a diluted sample at the combine. According to Adam Schefter.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, ALI624 said:

Well it's being reported that Jabrill Peppers had a diluted sample at the combine. According to Adam Schefter.

Man.... all these guys.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So what happened with Jourdan Lewis? I know there was an incident that allegedly involved domestic violence, but anyone know the specifics?

I know what our stance is on that, but im wondering if maybe Jim Harbs gave him a recommendation or a green light on his character - whether we'd make an exception... 

Probably not... but man, with how low he's seemingly dropped in pretty much everyones opinion -- i would absolutely love to grab him late if everything checks out. 

I never really studied him bc of the red flag and figured he'd be off our board... but just watched him last night and today - and that kid can ball. He'd be an absolute STEAL in the 4th-6th. Tough as nails and has the swagger/attitude we havent had as much of lately.

[Drew P]

Looks like Jabril tried to pull a fast one at the combine

[Sami84]

7 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Looks like Jabril tried to pull a fast one at the combine

the most obvious bust in the draft thats considered in the top 2 rounds IMHO

 

easily matt elam 2.0 but with legit return skills.

[Ravenskid52752]

51 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So what happened with Jourdan Lewis? I know there was an incident that allegedly involved domestic violence, but anyone know the specifics?

I know what our stance is on that, but im wondering if maybe Jim Harbs gave him a recommendation or a green light on his character - whether we'd make an exception... 

Probably not... but man, with how low he's seemingly dropped in pretty much everyones opinion -- i would absolutely love to grab him late if everything checks out. 

I never really studied him bc of the red flag and figured he'd be off our board... but just watched him last night and today - and that kid can ball. He'd be an absolute STEAL in the 4th-6th. Tough as nails and has the swagger/attitude we havent had as much of lately.

Heard he dragged his girlfriend down the  steps something like that 

[Edgar]

How far does this drop Peppers?

Think the Ravens draft him?

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

How far does this drop Peppers?

Think the Ravens draft him?

I don't think this will affect him that much.  Think the difference with the Foster situation is that he had other minor red flags leading up to it.  As far as we know, Peppers has been pretty clean off the field outside of this one situation, so he should stick in the same range.

[jboy19]

Always bad for a safety prospect when you have as many failed drug tests as interceptions imo. 

[JO_75]

Rumor is 49ers are looking at taking Mitchell Trubisky at 2, but as we get closer to the draft more smoke will be blowing and we won't know fact from fiction until Thursday Night. Bears could be high on Trubisky as well, seems to me the 49ers and Bears are trying to scare the Browns into passing on Garrett.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Rumor is 49ers are looking at taking Mitchell Trubisky at 2, but as we get closer to the draft more smoke will be blowing and we won't know fact from fiction until Thursday Night. Bears could be high on Trubisky as well, seems to me the 49ers and Bears are trying to scare the Browns into passing on Garrett.

Or scaring the Browns into trading up to their pick so they can grab 12 and 33 plus.

[Ravenskid52752]

11 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Rumor is 49ers are looking at taking Mitchell Trubisky at 2, but as we get closer to the draft more smoke will be blowing and we won't know fact from fiction until Thursday Night. Bears could be high on Trubisky as well, seems to me the 49ers and Bears are trying to scare the Browns into passing on Garrett.

Of course why not let them be the laughing stock of the league.

[Jonah DeVito]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

Always bad for a safety prospect when you have as many failed drug tests as interceptions imo. 

Oh no hahaha

[JO_75]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

How far does this drop Peppers?

Think the Ravens draft him?

That's not the only thing hurting him. Apparently teams are holding it against him that he missed his bowl game  citing that it showed a lack of commitment to his team. Now McCaffery and Fournette did the same but they told the coaches in advance they were sitting out, Peppers made the decision on the day of the game.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

That's not the only thing hurting him. Apparently teams are holding it against him that he missed his bowl game  citing that it showed a lack of commitment to his team. Now McCaffery and Fournette did the same but they told the coaches in advance they were sitting out, Peppers made the decision on the day of the game.

Peppers was a game time decision injury. 

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Peppers was a game time decision injury. 

If we draft him i'll offically say that ozzie and co are deluded in their abilities. We're the only team to actually have had a private meeting with him which is bad enough. ( saw walterfootball.com and we're the only ones)

I have a 4th round grade on him and its only because he is a good returner.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

If we draft him i'll offically say that ozzie and co are deluded in their abilities. We're the only team to actually have had a private meeting with him which is bad enough. ( saw walterfootball.com and we're the only ones)

I have a 4th round grade on him and its only because he is a good returner.

that's ridiculous - his athleticism alone should have him be a surefire day 2 prospect at worst

however, it is odd that of all the players to need a private meeting with we needed one with peppers given who his coach was...

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

that's ridiculous - his athleticism alone should have him be a surefire day 2 prospect at worst

however, it is odd that of all the players to need a private meeting with we needed one with peppers given who his coach was...

 

 

:/ so anyone who runs a 4.4 with a good broad jump is a 1st to 2nd round pick?

sorry i dont see it. he's a 4th round talent. He's matt elam like in coverage...misses assignments..poor ball skills and bad play recognition. He makes Bernard Pollard look like a hall of fame player

Edited April 24 by Sami84

[JoeyFlex5]

25 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

If we draft him i'll offically say that ozzie and co are deluded in their abilities. We're the only team to actually have had a private meeting with him which is bad enough. ( saw walterfootball.com and we're the only ones)

I have a 4th round grade on him and its only because he is a good returner.

Can you tell me why you grade him so lowly? I don't want us to take peppers btw just asking, because I think he's better than given credit for

Edited April 24 by JoeyFlex5

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Can you tell me why you grade him so lowly? I don't want us to take peppers btw just asking, because I think he's better than given credit for

He's a playmaker but one thing I couldn't believe was his lack of getting to the endzone and more turnovers. I think he will be solid in the NFL and taken day 2 probably in the 2nd round and I would be thrilled to get him at our 2nd round pick, but theres just something about him that scares me.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

He's a playmaker but one thing I couldn't believe was his lack of getting to the endzone and more turnovers. I think he will be solid in the NFL and taken day 2 probably in the 2nd round and I would be thrilled to get him at our 2nd round pick, but theres just something about him that scares me.

His usage at Michigan didn't allow him to show any kind of coverage ability. He was used almost exclusively as a blitzer and to sniff out screens and spy mobile qbs. I see a universal skill set from peppers that applies to any position, and that's instincts, explosion, and aggressive textbook form tackling. You put a guy with those skills just about anywhere on he field and he can make an impact

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

His usage at Michigan didn't allow him to show any kind of coverage ability. He was used almost exclusively as a blitzer and to sniff out screens and spy mobile qbs. I see a universal skill set from peppers that applies to any position, and that's instincts, explosion, and aggressive textbook form tackling. You put a guy with those skills just about anywhere on he field and he can make an impact

That's why I want him in round 2. But I'm afraid he won't be there. I think he will be a steal Michigan did not utilize him to his strengths as much as they could have. He wouldn't be the biggest need on this team since the team has 3 great safeties but would definitely add a playmaker.

[Sami84]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Can you tell me why you grade him so lowly? I don't want us to take peppers btw just asking, because I think he's better than given credit for

He truthfuly reminds me of elam in college, a guy that hits hard and undersized who makes 0 plays. elams interceptions in florida were gimmes that were more about the QB than elam making a read. He plays slow unless its in the run game. His play recognition is awful and as a saftey he has shown nothing in the way of coverage skills and as a linebacker he gets mauled by blockers

 

he is a typical college flashy player and an NFL bust. He's so similar to elam its scary 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

He truthfuly reminds me of elam in college, a guy that hits hard and undersized who makes 0 plays. elams interceptions in florida were gimmes that were more about the QB than elam making a read. He plays slow unless its in the run game. His play recognition is awful and as a saftey he has shown nothing in the way of coverage skills and as a linebacker he gets mauled by blockers

 

he is a typical college flashy player and an NFL bust. He's so similar to elam its scary 

I'm just not really seeing those similarities. Elam was a head and shoulder tackler, peppers is a great form tackler. Elam actually got to play coverage snaps in college and looked bad in all of them and only made plays when he came near the line, peppers has been used as a LB and was rarely given coverage assignments. Elams plays came when he had time to make them, like backs bouncing a run outside and he had time to come down to meet the back, peppers is actually diagnosing plays and sniffing out the ball before it's delivered, he's just never given a chance to do it in intermediate or deep coverage. 

[Sami84]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm just not really seeing those similarities. Elam was a head and shoulder tackler, peppers is a great form tackler. Elam actually got to play coverage snaps in college and looked bad in all of them and only made plays when he came near the line, peppers has been used as a LB and was rarely given coverage assignments. Elams plays came when he had time to make them, like backs bouncing a run outside and he had time to come down to meet the back, peppers is actually diagnosing plays and sniffing out the ball before it's delivered, he's just never given a chance to do it in intermediate or deep coverage. 

 

i saw poor recognition..as for the form..hes better but i just think he's too small for linebacker and his coverage as linebacker was crap and he did play plenty of coverage snaps and was readily abused. I wouldnt touch him for anything other than returner. He'd be a lousy linebacker as he's easy to block and as a saftey no..sorry, his play recogniton is awul and couldnt defend a pass to save his life..what makes you think that will suddenly change if hes a full time saftey, which actually requires more in the way of PR than ILB where he was lousy when called upon to cover?

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i saw poor recognition..as for the form..hes better but i just think he's too small for linebacker and his coverage as linebacker was crap and he did play plenty of coverage snaps and was readily abused. I wouldnt touch him for anything other than returner. He'd be a lousy linebacker as he's easy to block and as a saftey no..sorry, his play recogniton is awul and couldnt defend a pass to save his life..what makes you think that will suddenly change if hes a full time saftey, which actually requires more in the way of PR than ILB where he was lousy when called upon to cover?

Because I'm not seeing this lack of play recognition, I see him diagnosing plays before the qb even pulls back his arm often

[PurpleHorseman]

Cam Robinson seems to be making a comeback. While Forrest Lamp is probably a late round1. In drafts strong in the offensive line Lamp would be a round2-3 pick. I liked Whitehair a lil better and he was later round2. Lamp is solid but all so overrated so far in this draft!!

Ravens is probably the best spot for Cam to land. He has technique problems as well as balance issues. However it is of the coachable variety. Not slow and uncoordinated variety. And ravens have 2 of the best technicians in the league in Yanda and Stanley. If he works hard listens to coaches and watches Stanley and Yanda he could set new standards at what teams look For in Right tackle

Edited April 25 by PurpleHorseman

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Because I'm not seeing this lack of play recognition, I see him diagnosing plays before the qb even pulls back his arm often

I see differently..We'll agree to disagree..i watched his tapes before anyone elses out of fear that we'd consider him and it was not pretty..it was a lot of flash and a lot of trash

[rossihunter2]

41 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I see differently..We'll agree to disagree..i watched his tapes before anyone elses out of fear that we'd consider him and it was not pretty..it was a lot of flash and a lot of trash

Why would you fear us considering him before you'd even watched his tape if this was an unbiased opinion?

[Jonah DeVito]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

Why would you fear us considering him before you'd even watched his tape if this was an unbiased opinion?

It really does seem like a biased opinion