Draft Rumor Mill

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Colts still need a rb though. They've been squeezing every little bit of life out of frank gore that they can and to keep Andrew luck upright and to keep him from throwing picks they need to give him an easy outlet. 

I guess it's just that I see the colts front office as essentially having a mandate from ownership to draft lineman (either offense or defense) because that's what got grigson fired

i think they're more likely to draft an rb in the 2nd or 3rd (maybe a guy like foreman) and I think they'll be looking for a downhill runner more than mccaffey

[rossihunter2]

8 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I love Brees and I think he is a top 3 quarterback in the league but I do think his stats are really inflated from garbage time. I think defense is more of a concern but they do have 2 first round picks and both necessarily don't have to go to defense. Having a 1-2 punch on the ground will do what they want to do and will keep their defense off the field longer. 

I would scratch my head if the Colts took a running back.

As I say, I would be incredibly surprised if the saints went rb at 11 but mccaffrey would be a great fit there - I think they end up taking the best front 7 guy they can get at 11 and take a corner at 32

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I live in the Philly market and a lot of the beat writers and local insiders dont expect the Eagles to touch McCaffery. A good portion of the fan base wants him bad, but most of the "experts" say they'd be shocked.

I agree it makes a ton of sense... he reminds me a lot of Brian Westbrook who thrived in Andy Reids offense for years, and who has almost always preferred diverse backs that can catch the ball out of the back field or out of the slot.

 

But Joe Douglas is running their draft board now... who is an Ozzie/Decosta disciple.... and McCaffery just doesnt feel like a pick theyd make that high. But who knows. Maybe Pederson and Roseman will over rule him.

I feel like it just makes too much sense: Roseman lives for making exciting daring moves and mccaffrey would certainly count, Peterson comes from the Andy Reid tree and given that Ryan Matthews is old (is he even still there in Philly?) and Darren sproles cannot be the number 1 running back on a roster at this point they need someone to come in

what has been the beat writers' reasoning for mccaffrey not to be the pick?

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I could see there being a big run on CB's starting in the mid/late teens through to the 2nd round.

Once Lattimore and Humphrey/Conley go, i think we're going to see a bunch of teams panic and start to grab guys and the teams that didnt get one in the Top 10 will want to get one early 2nd.

Wouldnt shock me one bit if we see like Lattimore, Humphrey and Conley go top 14-18 picks... and then any number of Tre White, Chidobe Awuzie, Kevin King, Adoree Jackson, Sidney Jones, Quincy Wilson, Ahkello Witherspoon, Fabian Moreau, Tank, and Tabor all go off the board in a run in the top 50 or so picks.

Hope not bc i dont want to have to grab a CB in the top 2 rounds.... hoping a good one falls to us in the 3rd. And while i think theres upside with some of the guys like Howard Wilson, Rasul Douglas, Cam Sutton, Kazee, Cutrer; id feel like we missed the boat once again if that was the crew we had left to pick from.

I'm not sure I can see all those guys going before our 2nd pick given that the safeties will also be picked - peppers, baker, melifonwu will likely go before 47 - it would have to mean that from the point that the top 3 cbs are gone that a db is taken every other pick which would leave ridiculous talent to drop to us at other positions - as much as I love Witherspoon, there's no way he's a top 45 pick even for me

i agree that there will likely be a run after the top 3 are gone starting somewhere in the 20s and going into the start of the 2nd - but I also think the linebackers and offensive lineman are going there as well as a load of the edge rushers and the wrs come into play near the top of the 2nd too --> essentially my point is there can't be a run on all of those positions

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Second round or second pick?

Interestingly they don't have a 2nd round pick...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I feel like it just makes too much sense: Roseman lives for making exciting daring moves and mccaffrey would certainly count, Peterson comes from the Andy Reid tree and given that Ryan Matthews is old (is he even still there in Philly?) and Darren sproles cannot be the number 1 running back on a roster at this point they need someone to come in

what has been the beat writers' reasoning for mccaffrey not to be the pick?

Joe Douglas being part of the reason.

Their dire need for multiple CB's (theyre in line to be starting Jalen Mills, a 7th rd pick from last year) and that there is likely to be a CB there that very well could be BPA or darn close to it.

The fact that they have a very good 3rd down RB and returner (though hes getting older) and have more of a need for someone who can tote the rock 15-20 times a game and run between the tackles, and they dont feel like McCaffery is that.... even though Reid has never really shown a need for a player like that, and there actually are many who think that McCaffery can do that.

Also the fact that hes been linked to several teams in the Top 10 and that theres a decent chance he wont even be on the board.

 

Most think they wont be able to pass up Conley or Humphrey if available... or if a Barnett, Mike Williams or Reuben Foster falls -- they cant see them, with Joe Douglas in the room and in control of the board, passing up a superior prospect.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'm not sure I can see all those guys going before our 2nd pick given that the safeties will also be picked - peppers, baker, melifonwu will likely go before 47 - it would have to mean that from the point that the top 3 cbs are gone that a db is taken every other pick which would leave ridiculous talent to drop to us at other positions - as much as I love Witherspoon, there's no way he's a top 45 pick even for me

i agree that there will likely be a run after the top 3 are gone starting somewhere in the 20s and going into the start of the 2nd - but I also think the linebackers and offensive lineman are going there as well as a load of the edge rushers and the wrs come into play near the top of the 2nd too --> essentially my point is there can't be a run on all of those positions

Well i said any number of them... not necessarily all of them.

And if the top 3 were gone by 18; and the next 10 went off the board in the top 50 that would only be once every 3.8 picks; not every other. Still pretty unlikely that all 10 would, but not as crazy as taking one every other pick.

[Edgar]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I guess it's just that I see the colts front office as essentially having a mandate from ownership to draft lineman (either offense or defense) because that's what got grigson fired

i think they're more likely to draft an rb in the 2nd or 3rd (maybe a guy like foreman) and I think they'll be looking for a downhill runner more than mccaffey

If that's the case, then they have a mandate to draft even more lineman.

2016

Ryan Kelly, C

Leraven Clark, T

Joe Haeg, T/G

Austin Blythe, C

Hassan Ridgeway, DT

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

34 minutes ago, Edgar said:

If that's the case, then they have a mandate to draft even more lineman.

2016

Ryan Kelly, C

Leraven Clark, T

Joe Haeg, T/G

Austin Blythe, C

Hassan Ridgeway, DT

Yea unless they fall in love with one of the OL, i think theyre going RB or Def with the 1st pick. Pass rush or CB if Def.

I could also see them taking Foster.

[JO_75]

Falcons looking to move up and take a pass rusher. If they jump ahead of us and take who we would have took..... Then good for them on blowing the Super Bowl.

[JO_75]

This is sure to make things interesting if this is true. La Canfora reports that the Browns coaches want Garrett, but owner Jimmy Haslam is pushing for the first pick to be a QB. He says Haslam "badly" wants a QB and the last time Haslam pushed a QB draft decision, in 2014. When the Browns moved up to infamous pick 22 and drafted Johnny "Party" Manziel. 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/356912/cle-coaches-want-garrett-owner-wants-a-qb?ls=roto:CLG:topheadlines

[JO_75]

That moment when your agent has to keep your draft stock up after injury reports..... From John Ross' agent:

 

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With speculation swirling about John Ross' injury history, his agent Brad Cicala released this statement: "Despite recent reports, John Ross III has never sustained 2 ACL injury’s nor has he had 2 ACL surgeries. In January of 2015 he endured surgery on his right lateral meniscus and in April of 2015 he had surgery on his left ACL. Upon his return, Ross recorded 1150 yards and 16 touchdowns, and was also named the AP’s Pac-12 player of The Year. During the 2016 Stanford game (Game 5), John injured his right labrum but was able to finish the season strong. He went on to compete at the NFL Combine where he broke the 40-yard dash record by running a 4.22. Immediately after the combine, John underwent surgery on his right labrum and has been rehabbing ever since. A recent report from his doctor, Dr. Albert Gee, Division Chief from the Department of Orthopedics and Sports Medicine from the University of Washington, states that John’s recovery is ahead of schedule and he will be fully healthy by the start of NFL camp. I have confirmed with numerous NFL teams that John’s recent medical rechecks have come back positive."

 

[ALI624]

Kind of an odd question, have we ever drafted a player in the first round that was not at the draft? Just wondering.

[juanman7]

46 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Kind of an odd question, have we ever drafted a player in the first round that was not at the draft? Just wondering.

Joe Flacco didn't attend the draft if that's what you mean? I don't remember Matt Elam coming up to the podium when we took him. I could be wrong but I also don't think Jimmy Smith was in attendance when we took him.

Edited April 22 by juanman7

[ALI624]

28 minutes ago, juanman7 said:

Joe Flacco didn't attend the draft if that's what you mean? I don't remember Matt Elam coming up to the podium when we took him. I could be wrong but I also don't think Jimmy Smith was in attendance when we took him.

Thank you. Yep that's what I was looking for.

[rossihunter2]

On 22/04/2017 at 0:14 AM, JO_75 said:

This is sure to make things interesting if this is true. La Canfora reports that the Browns coaches want Garrett, but owner Jimmy Haslam is pushing for the first pick to be a QB. He says Haslam "badly" wants a QB and the last time Haslam pushed a QB draft decision, in 2014. When the Browns moved up to infamous pick 22 and drafted Johnny "Party" Manziel. 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/356912/cle-coaches-want-garrett-owner-wants-a-qb?ls=roto:CLG:topheadlines

Apparently it's more insular than that - it's more like the front office is set on Garrett but hue Jackson had taken a liking to trubisky and is pulling for them to take him - I feel like the dream scenario for the browns is to get both because it would appease everyone in the building

[JO_75]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Apparently it's more insular than that - it's more like the front office is set on Garrett but hue Jackson had taken a liking to trubisky and is pulling for them to take him - I feel like the dream scenario for the browns is to get both because it would appease everyone in the building

I like next year's QB class better and would wait on Darnold or Josh Rosen. Though Darnold may take the Luck route and stay for his degree and wait for 2019. Though I guess it would be a Browns thing to do and take quarterbacks in bad years opposed to taking them in the years quarterbacks are actually good.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, JO_75 said:

I like next year's QB class better and would wait on Darnold or Josh Rosen. Though Darnold may take the Luck route and stay for his degree and wait for 2019. Though I guess it would be a Browns thing to do and take quarterbacks in bad years opposed to taking them in the years quarterbacks are actually good.

That assumes they get one overall for Rosen.

[Edgar]

Buffalo looking to trade down.

Roethlisberger lobbying for TE.

[Maryland]

If you have any curiosity regarding where oddsmakers have various over/unders for players, schools, position groups:

http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-draft-betting-props

Vegas also has their official odds on some other things (not listed in that article)

[52520Andrew]

Give me over on WRs, RBs, and I think Cook is taken earlier than 26.5

[JoeyFlex5]

So does anyone have the slightest idea on Curtis samuels stock? Because I think he could be really special 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So does anyone have the slightest idea on Curtis samuels stock? Because I think he could be really special 

I'm thinking early 2nd.

Could be the 4th WR or 4th RB off the board depending on how you classify him.

I could see Philly as a real good spot for him in the 2nd... 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Give me over on WRs, RBs, and I think Cook is taken earlier than 26.5

I take the under on both.

Dont see Zay Jones, JuJu, Godwin or anyone else sneaking into the 1st with all the pass rushers and CB's that will be available.

And definitely the under on RB's. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Cook fall out of the 1st... but even if he doesnt i dont see any way Mixon, Kamara, Foreman, etc... go in the 1st -- again bc of the all defensive talent available. Plus, after TB there really arent many RB/WR needy teams. Det/Sea/GB/KC maybe for RB. But i think all will have better players at bigger needs.

Edited April 24 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm thinking early 2nd.

Could be the 4th WR or 4th RB off the board depending on how you classify him.

I could see Philly as a real good spot for him in the 2nd... 

Damn. He's a guy I was hoping would slip through the cracks due to being a tweener. Id love to have him in the third. Was watching some film on elflein and kept catching myself looking away to follow Samuel, he just looks so dangerous the way he moves, so fast and fluid and explosive and agile

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Damn. He's a guy I was hoping would slip through the cracks due to being a tweener. Id love to have him in the third. Was watching some film on elflein and kept catching myself looking away to follow Samuel, he just looks so dangerous the way he moves, so fast and fluid and explosive and agile

Hes incredible in space. I think ive said this before, but i worry just a little bit about his use in our offense... but Marty did do a good job with a somewhat similar player in Westbrook. Not really all that similar but some similar traits. Samuel much less a back of course with a load more potential in the slot as a true wr that can run routes.

I think he'll make plays within a base offense, but i think to maximize him - hes a guy you have to have a plan for and scheme him some opportunities in space, or set up some mismatches for him to exploit. I dont think thats impossible, but i dont have as much faith in us doing so as effectively as i would, say the Pats, Saints, Eagles, GB, Mia, etc.. 

Not to mention the little bit of a question id have with Joe hitting such a small, quick target consistently enough not to waste his targets. While you can hand him the ball, youre not gonna do that more than maybe 3-4 times a game. A bulk is going to be designed dump offs, screens, wheels, slants, etc.. 

 

But i dont think anyone is sleeping on him. Pretty sure most recognize the match up nightmare he could become and the diverse skill set he brings. I think its just a matter of fit and finding the team thats willing to commit building him into their offense, and not trying to squeeze him into a role that already exists in their offense.

[52520Andrew]

17 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I take the under on both.

Dont see Zay Jones, JuJu, Godwin or anyone else sneaking into the 1st with all the pass rushers and CB's that will be available.

And definitely the under on RB's. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Cook fall out of the 1st... but even if he doesnt i dont see any way Mixon, Kamara, Foreman, etc... go in the 1st -- again bc of the all defensive talent available. Plus, after TB there really arent many RB/WR needy teams. Det/Sea/GB/KC maybe for RB. But i think all will have better players at bigger needs.

McCaffrey, Fournette, Cook I think all go in the first

Also Williams, Davis, and Ross I think all go in the first.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

McCaffrey, Fournette, Cook I think all go in the first

Also Williams, Davis, and Ross I think all go in the first.

I agree -- but i think the line is set at 3.5, meaning 4 of each would have to go for the "over" to hit. At least that's the line I saw.

[52520Andrew]

22 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree -- but i think the line is set at 3.5, meaning 4 of each would have to go for the "over" to hit. At least that's the line I saw.

It was 2.5 for both

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Hes incredible in space. I think ive said this before, but i worry just a little bit about his use in our offense... but Marty did do a good job with a somewhat similar player in Westbrook. Not really all that similar but some similar traits. Samuel much less a back of course with a load more potential in the slot as a true wr that can run routes.

I think he'll make plays within a base offense, but i think to maximize him - hes a guy you have to have a plan for and scheme him some opportunities in space, or set up some mismatches for him to exploit. I dont think thats impossible, but i dont have as much faith in us doing so as effectively as i would, say the Pats, Saints, Eagles, GB, Mia, etc.. 

Not to mention the little bit of a question id have with Joe hitting such a small, quick target consistently enough not to waste his targets. While you can hand him the ball, youre not gonna do that more than maybe 3-4 times a game. A bulk is going to be designed dump offs, screens, wheels, slants, etc.. 

 

But i dont think anyone is sleeping on him. Pretty sure most recognize the match up nightmare he could become and the diverse skill set he brings. I think its just a matter of fit and finding the team thats willing to commit building him into their offense, and not trying to squeeze him into a role that already exists in their offense.

I would hope that if we made a move for a guy like him that our coaches are smart enough to just get the boy the damn ball lol. I don't exactly have faith in that either but I like to think we can. 

We all know joe plays less shaky when he has a reliable dump target and he doesn't feel like he has to force throws constantly, I think Samuel would be lethal in a short range route tree, and joe would get real comfortable with him, and then you always sprinkle in the deep routes and the outlet routes where he just chills in the flats or the hash marks threatening the defense like we used to do with ray rice. 

It makes sense to worry about our coaches using him right, but designed dumpoffs have always been something we use a lot of, and giving joe a true wr who also plays rb could get us back to those big gainers on broken plays.