Draft Rumor Mill

[Boddiebroadus]

I say if both big receivers are off the board and also Barnett I'm betting we go Charles Harris. Bet

[cobrajet]

22 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

It seems to me that all fans here will be most excited about picking Corey Davis. However, I think he may not be there. I would however prefer a Jonathan Allen or a Rueben Foster slipping to us!

Corey Davis seems like the guy to me that a lot of fans will be excited about. I really like Williams though and was really surprised yesterday when SSS said Davis and Ross are the one's that are worth a first round pick. I really thought that SSS would like a tough possession guy like Williams but he was not that high on him. I still really like Williams, but I may not have the eye for WR draftees as I was really high on Jaelen Strong (who I thought would be a big sure handed possession guy) and he fell to the third round. I just hope whoever we draft at #1 can be a solid starter for us this season.

Edited April 27 by cobrajet

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Did you see the video that came out she lied about where they met at. 

 

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WATCH: Video of Gareon Conley at bar seems to contradict Cleveland police report (link: http://bit.ly/2p5jQxs) bit.ly/2p5jQxs 

yea they met at the bar... her and a group of her friends were hanging around them (he had rented a private area of the bar) and according to witnesses she had been hanging close to him all night trying to get his attention.

When they went back to the hotel Conley apparently stayed in the lobby for a bit with the group of girls while his friend and the girl he was with went back to the room.

After a bit the "victim" decided to go back to the room with Conley leaving her group of friends. 

Then theres a very different story about what occurred once they got to the room but all those accounts are from people who knew Conley personally (except the other girl that was with his friend) so i wont go into those details bc there isnt any objective corroboration as of now.

But once the victim did leave the room, apparently she went to the front desk in the hotel lobby and asked the receptionist to call Conleys room and ask if she  could come back up. When she was told no, is when she left for good and filed the report.

 

All of that apparently is confirmed with video footage and unconnected witnesses. So seems like her story has holes all over the place. i mean why would someone who was just raped ask to go back into the situation. and if she lied about unimportant details ive got to imagine shes lying about more.

 

But this rape kit should reveal the truth. This happened on like April 9th -- is it normal for rape kit results to take this long? Surprised this is just coming out. Guessing the girl got upset this didnt get media attention and leaked it to TMZ herself once draft week rolled around, before he could go 1st round.

While i have my opinions, im going to with hold judgement on both the victim and Conley until more definitive proof comes out either way.

 

But if it turns out to be all made up, there should be some course of action for Conley to recoup damages. While rapes go vastly unreported, under prosicuted, and under punished when they are true -- the fact that there currently arent any penalties to those that report false rape accusations is ridiculous. Obviously its very difficult to prove either way which is why there are so many issues surrounding the topic, but when it is confirmed without a doubt that allegations are fabricated -- these people should be prosecuted and the falsely accused should be able to sue.  Conley stands to lose millions now unfairly if the claims are false. Its bs. 

[Drew P]

Too much drama here for Conley.

There's a ton of depth at CB to care for even two seconds about this situation

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

But if it turns out to be all made up, there should be some course of action for Conley to recoup damages. While rapes go vastly unreported, under prosicuted, and under punished when they are true -- the fact that there currently arent any penalties to those that report false rape accusations is ridiculous. Obviously its very difficult to prove either way which is why there are so many issues surrounding the topic, but when it is confirmed without a doubt that allegations are fabricated -- these people should be prosecuted and the falsely accused should be able to sue.  Conley stands to lose millions now unfairly if the claims are false. Its bs. 

Just to touch on this last part, it's a lose lose for Conley if he doesn't go in the 1st round.  Even if he files a defamation lawsuit, there's no way he's going to recoup all of that lost money unless this girl and her family are rich.

[cobrajet]

46 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Somewhat good news for Conley, it seems.  Still missing out on a ton of money but not as bad as it could be.  Strong indications that a lot of teams believe the accusations are completely false.

 

Does anyone think he would be worth taking in the second round or Ozzie won't touch him even if he falls into the third. I think he has a lot of talent and we could use another solid CB. I would be surprised if some team did not take him in the second, but I could be wrong.

[rmw10]

Just now, cobrajet said:

Does anyone think he would be worth taking in the second round or Ozzie won't touch him even if he falls into the third. I think he has a lot of talent and we could use another solid CB. I would be surprised if some team did not take him in the second, but I could be wrong.

It's hard to even say what's going to happen with him.  By everything I've seen leading up to tonight, it looks like teams believe that Conley is innocent.  However, they still have to weigh the possibility that they're wrong and Conley did do it.  I don't think any of us here have even close to the necessary resources to make any sort of judgment on where he could possibly go.  This is about as wait and see as it gets from an outsider perspective.

[cobrajet]

27 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea they met at the bar... her and a group of her friends were hanging around them (he had rented a private area of the bar) and according to witnesses she had been hanging close to him all night trying to get his attention.

When they went back to the hotel Conley apparently stayed in the lobby for a bit with the group of girls while his friend and the girl he was with went back to the room.

After a bit the "victim" decided to go back to the room with Conley leaving her group of friends. 

Then theres a very different story about what occurred once they got to the room but all those accounts are from people who knew Conley personally (except the other girl that was with his friend) so i wont go into those details bc there isnt any objective corroboration as of now.

But once the victim did leave the room, apparently she went to the front desk in the hotel lobby and asked the receptionist to call Conleys room and ask if she  could come back up. When she was told no, is when she left for good and filed the report.

 

All of that apparently is confirmed with video footage and unconnected witnesses. So seems like her story has holes all over the place. i mean why would someone who was just raped ask to go back into the situation. and if she lied about unimportant details ive got to imagine shes lying about more.

 

But this rape kit should reveal the truth. This happened on like April 9th -- is it normal for rape kit results to take this long? Surprised this is just coming out. Guessing the girl got upset this didnt get media attention and leaked it to TMZ herself once draft week rolled around, before he could go 1st round.

While i have my opinions, im going to with hold judgement on both the victim and Conley until more definitive proof comes out either way.

 

But if it turns out to be all made up, there should be some course of action for Conley to recoup damages. While rapes go vastly unreported, under prosicuted, and under punished when they are true -- the fact that there currently arent any penalties to those that report false rape accusations is ridiculous. Obviously its very difficult to prove either way which is why there are so many issues surrounding the topic, but when it is confirmed without a doubt that allegations are fabricated -- these people should be prosecuted and the falsely accused should be able to sue.  Conley stands to lose millions now unfairly if the claims are false. Its bs. 

They never file charges against anyone who makes up a false report causing an investigation in rape cases. They say it curbs other victims from coming forward. I disagree with that, because it is so unfair to the accused and wastes a lot of time and resources.

Edited April 27 by cobrajet

[rossihunter2]

Just now, cobrajet said:

They never file charges against anyone who makes up false charges in rape cases. They say it curbs other victims from coming forward. I disagree with that, because it is so unfair to the accused.

he hasnt been charged yet i dont think... but the allegations and the police report are enough to ruin his stock

[cobrajet]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's hard to even say what's going to happen with him.  By everything I've seen leading up to tonight, it looks like teams believe that Conley is innocent.  However, they still have to weigh the possibility that they're wrong and Conley did do it.  I don't think any of us here have even close to the necessary resources to make any sort of judgment on where he could possibly go.  This is about as wait and see as it gets from an outsider perspective.

I really don't think Ozzie is a risk taker when it comes to these kind of things. I would suspect he may pass up on Conley even in the third.

[rmw10]

Just now, cobrajet said:

I really don't think Ozzie is a risk taker when it comes to these kind of things. I would suspect he may pass up on Conley even in the third.

I generally agree, but this would certainly be a prime opportunity to get a clear 1st round talent a touch later if we feel comfortable with the investigation we did.  Of course, none of us can predict that, and I'd guess he won't be a Raven anyways.

[cobrajet]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

he hasnt been charged yet i dont think... but the allegations and the police report are enough to ruin his stock

You are right, I should have said "false reports" in my post instead of false charges. Thanks, I will edit it.

[Ravenskid52752]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I generally agree, but this would certainly be a prime opportunity to get a clear 1st round talent a touch later if we feel comfortable with the investigation we did.  Of course, none of us can predict that, and I'd guess he won't be a Raven anyways.

One team that really went hard for the investigation was The Eagles which he was one of there prime target at 14 

[Sami84]

36 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

I say if both big receivers are off the board and also Barnett I'm betting we go Charles Harris. Bet

ozzie should be fired on the spot for taking c.harris over barnett .

[Boddiebroadus]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

ozzie should be fired on the spot for taking c.harris over barnett .

Said Barnett is also off the board

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Said Barnett is also off the board

ah sorry, misread

 

either way, if he picks charles harris you can officially say that ozzie has lost it. C.Harris is one of my no no picks unless its in the 2nd round.

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

ah sorry, misread

 

either way, if he picks charles harris you can officially say that ozzie has lost it. C.Harris is one of my no no picks unless its in the 2nd round.

Why? Pass rushers are a commodity in the NFL and he has double digit sack potential. A+ character off the feild too

[Jonah DeVito]

15 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Why? Pass rushers are a commodity in the NFL and he has double digit sack potential. A+ character off the feild too

Sami just enjoys attention and being different. 

[Italian Raven]

22 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Why? Pass rushers are a commodity in the NFL and he has double digit sack potential. A+ character off the feild too

And let's not forget one thing. Harris is one of the few pass rushers who can threaten the edge. He has a goos first step and good acceleration. He even has room to get better with his hands placement and hands fight in general. He's a horrific run defender but his qualities as a pass rusher might offset some of those deficiencies and a team can still manage to maximize what he does best through the play call.

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, Italian Raven said:

And let's not forget one thing. Harris is one of the few pass rushers who can threaten the edge. He has a goos first step and good acceleration. He even has room to get better with his hands placement and hands fight in general. He's a horrific run defender but his qualities as a pass rusher might offset some of those deficiencies and a team can still manage to maximize what he does best through the play call.

Well he wont have to play the run that much in his rookie year. Unless we use him to knife into the gap 

[Italian Raven]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Well he wont have to play the run that much in his rookie year. Unless we use him to knife into the gap 

Yeah true..let's not forget that even elite pass rushers like Von Miller or Cameron Wake play almost only 2nd and 3rd downs with around 70% of the total team snaps.

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea they met at the bar... her and a group of her friends were hanging around them (he had rented a private area of the bar) and according to witnesses she had been hanging close to him all night trying to get his attention.

When they went back to the hotel Conley apparently stayed in the lobby for a bit with the group of girls while his friend and the girl he was with went back to the room.

After a bit the "victim" decided to go back to the room with Conley leaving her group of friends. 

Then theres a very different story about what occurred once they got to the room but all those accounts are from people who knew Conley personally (except the other girl that was with his friend) so i wont go into those details bc there isnt any objective corroboration as of now.

But once the victim did leave the room, apparently she went to the front desk in the hotel lobby and asked the receptionist to call Conleys room and ask if she  could come back up. When she was told no, is when she left for good and filed the report.

 

All of that apparently is confirmed with video footage and unconnected witnesses. So seems like her story has holes all over the place. i mean why would someone who was just raped ask to go back into the situation. and if she lied about unimportant details ive got to imagine shes lying about more.

 

But this rape kit should reveal the truth. This happened on like April 9th -- is it normal for rape kit results to take this long? Surprised this is just coming out. Guessing the girl got upset this didnt get media attention and leaked it to TMZ herself once draft week rolled around, before he could go 1st round.

While i have my opinions, im going to with hold judgement on both the victim and Conley until more definitive proof comes out either way.

 

But if it turns out to be all made up, there should be some course of action for Conley to recoup damages. While rapes go vastly unreported, under prosicuted, and under punished when they are true -- the fact that there currently arent any penalties to those that report false rape accusations is ridiculous. Obviously its very difficult to prove either way which is why there are so many issues surrounding the topic, but when it is confirmed without a doubt that allegations are fabricated -- these people should be prosecuted and the falsely accused should be able to sue.  Conley stands to lose millions now unfairly if the claims are false. Its bs. 

You know something. These dudes are taught by their agents to avoid situations like this as well as keeping out of all dramatic situations leading to draft. Projected high draft picks are taught to pretty much live indoors until the draft.This moron isn't even drafted yet and he is already out there flashing around. These players are COACHED on avoiding situations like this. Because these dudes have no way of knowing if a girl is in it for the night or plotting financial gain. And high profile players are repeatedly taught this.

Girl lying or not there is no reason for this clown to be in this situation leading up to draft. I mean come on we overlooked Tunsil the top overall player in the draft cuz of a video during his freshman year!! And this dude can't keep out of nightlife leading up to the draft?? What is he going to do after he cashes his check? These dudes are taught to adopt a low profile leading up to draft day. And even after drafted to avoid situations like this. I'm not saying he is guilty but for her not to be allowed back up. Something went on. Not saying rape but some kinda altercation.

Edited April 27 by PurpleHorseman

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, Italian Raven said:

Yeah true..let's not forget that even elite pass rushers like Von Miller or Cameron Wake play almost only 2nd and 3rd downs with around 70% of the total team snaps.

Ya and Vic Beasley is put at 4-3 OLB on 1st and 2nd down. 

[rossihunter2]

Just now, Italian Raven said:

Yeah true..let's not forget that even elite pass rushers like Von Miller or Cameron Wake play almost only 2nd and 3rd downs with around 70% of the total team snaps.

i just really want a pass rusher at this point - i know that's probably the same for everyone here but i maybe even wouldnt mind double dipping pass rushers in the first 2 days if we get one early and then carl lawson or tim williams or tj watt fall to 47...

[ravensnation5220]

Rumor has it were still in a major smoke screen.....just sayin

[Italian Raven]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i just really want a pass rusher at this point - i know that's probably the same for everyone here but i maybe even wouldnt mind double dipping pass rushers in the first 2 days if we get one early and then carl lawson or tim williams or tj watt fall to 47...

Oh I wouldn't mind double dipoing at all. Harris + Lawson? Man.. Seriously? Now that we retained our run stalward Williams and will keep forcing teams to throw the ball, QBs better get that ball out quickly.

However.. Just a wishful thinking. We'll keep drafting players I'm not high on.

I'm getting ready to say goodbye to my boy already.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

56 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

ozzie should be fired on the spot for taking c.harris over barnett .

he had barnett off the board in that case...

but according to sources there are several teams that have Harris as the 2nd pure pass rusher in the draft behind only Garrett. 

I dont have him quite that high - i definitely like Barnett better - but i do have Harris 3rd. And a number of teams are considering him reportedly in the Ravens range. So Ozzie certainly wouldnt be alone in that regard.

And if Harris turns out to be an all pro edge rusher with 10-14 sacks per year... Ozzie should be fired? If they were to take Harris its because their evaluations had him rated as a valuable pick there. Just because that doesnt match up with your evaluation doesnt mean theyre wrong or should be fired. And itll be the accuracy of those evaluations that determine job security and future.

Saying right now that it would be a fire-able offense is silly.

 

Please - while the draft is happening tonight - post who you would take out of who is left on the board for the Ravens picks. I want to save that and critique it in 3 years. Lets walk the walk, and see who can actually hack it as evaluator and GM.... and who should be fired. And I'll do it too so i can be judged too. But in fairness im also not acting to be better or more knowledgeable than an NFL gm or pro scout. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i just really want a pass rusher at this point - i know that's probably the same for everyone here but i maybe even wouldnt mind double dipping pass rushers in the first 2 days if we get one early and then carl lawson or tim williams or tj watt fall to 47...

i wouldnt mind at all double dipping pass rushers so long as we still get value at either OG/RT and CB. Id like a WR in the 1st three rounds too, but i def want at least one pass rusher, one OL and one CB in the 1st three. 

So maybe not necessarily a 1-2 punch, but if we could get Barnett and Tim Williams 1 and 3, or Barnett and Trey Hendrickson... or Carl Lawson and Tanoh Kpassagnon in 2-3... etc.. 

Im expecting an OL in round 2 - Feeney, Dion Dawkins, Dorian Johnson, or Pat Elflein maybe. So 1 and 3 would be cool. If we jump and take OL round 1 then i think we NEED to go pass rusher round 2. Especially if Carl Lawson, Tim WIlliams, Tyus Bowser or Jordan Willis is on the board.

[PurpleHorseman]

There are 7 edge rushers I would take before Barnett. His getoff looks like he is wearing lead shoes. He plays hard and He can bend pretty well. However if any edge rusher allows the bigger tackle reaction time to get his hands on him. Then he is going to have a hard time getting to QB.

Edited April 27 by PurpleHorseman

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

There are 7 edge rushers I would take before Barnett. His getoff looks like he is wearing lead shoes. He plays hard and He can bend pretty well. However if any edge rusher allows the bigger tackle reaction time to get his hands on him. Then he is going to have a hard time getting to QB.

All the reaction time in the world means nothing if the tackle can't get his hips lower than the edge rushers shoulders. That's how Barnett has consistently made his burst a non factor, he throws a swipe and keeps his chest clean and then dips his shoulders to the tackles hip level making him untouchable. Low man wins right? Barnett proves that. A tackle can't block a guy who he can't lay a good set of hands on.