Draft Rumor Mill

[PurpleHorseman]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

And a DV history so stop dreaming while you're at it.

DV all u want but if ravens draft a WR b4 him and he is awesome and keeps out of trouble. It will not be a legit excuse if offense struggles and finish 8-8 or 7-9.  Can't say well we couldn't draft this all pro or that all pro. If we draft a receiver that sucks and he is great and keeps out of trouble there will be no excuses when offense fails

Edited April 26 by PurpleHorseman

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

DV all u want but if ravens draft a WR b4 him and he is awesome and keeps out of trouble. It will not be a legit excuse if offense struggles and finish 8-8 or 7-9.  Can't say well we couldn't draft this all pro or that all pro. If we draft a receiver that sucks and he is great and keeps out of trouble there will be no excuses when offense fails

But you gotta gauge the risk. If a guy is a known woman beater, and you have a major history in that regard on your team, you just can't. There is a thing called press, and the ravens don't want to be known to condone domestic violence by employing players convicted of it. After trying to cover up the ray rice scandal they can't afford to do this. And they shouldn't. Guys who do this really don't deserve the chance of a lifetime to make millions playing a game. 

For other teams, you decide whether or not it's worth the risk. Doesn't matter if he's an all pro for his first 2 years if he decides to beat up his girlfriend and get put out of the league after. It's like if doctors tell a team that Jonathan Allen won't finish out a rookie contract and could often be inhibited by his arthritis in his shoulder, you don't draft the guy top 5 on the chance that the doctors are wrong, you gauge the risk vs reward and decide if you can afford to miss on that pick when he sits 6 games a year for 4 seasons and then retires. When that happens you can't throw your hands up and act surprised, it was a dumb pick because you knew it would happen. Same applies to bonehead repeat offending woman beaters

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22 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Decent player but tons of off field stuff with Dede.  Some rumors that he could go undrafted because of the issues and how bad his interviews were.

The exact quote that I've seen is, "Westbrook’s interviews here in Indianapolis have been horrible.  Those at the interviews say Westbrook has been guarded and seemed untruthful." Definitely a talented prospect, and it only takes one team to pull the trigger, but couple the interviews with multiple charges against the same woman, and he could very well slip into the middle rounds. Perhaps later. There are a few players now with early round talents whose draft stocks range from the early rounds into the UDFA category.

[JoeKnows]

So reportedly the Browns are talking to 4 teams in the top 8 with the Titans at 5 being one of them. Titans are reportedly high on Mike Williams and don't have a second round pick. Trade would make sense for both teams. Browns get Trubisky at 5 and Titans get Mike Williams at 12 plus extra picks.

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Just now, JoeKnows said:

So reportedly the Browns are talking to 4 teams in the top 8 with the Titans at 5 being one of them. Titans are reportedly high on Mike Williams and don't have a second round pick. Trade would make sense for both teams. Browns get Trubisky at 5 and Titans get Mike Williams at 12 plus extra picks.

If those aren't smokescreens, that would make sense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

DV all u want but if ravens draft a WR b4 him and he is awesome and keeps out of trouble. It will not be a legit excuse if offense struggles and finish 8-8 or 7-9.  Can't say well we couldn't draft this all pro or that all pro. If we draft a receiver that sucks and he is great and keeps out of trouble there will be no excuses when offense fails

See - this is why i cant take some fans seriously.

Thats hindsight analysis. Unfortunately real life doesnt work that way.

If they do draft him and he hits a woman on camera --- they lose their jobs and everyone calls for their head. Period. Theyre untouchable now. All Pro or not; and whether or not Ray Rice ever happened, some times you do have to take a moral stand. Win at all costs??? Nah. Because I know we can win while maintaining some integrity.

Its certainly a fine line and you cant have a team of choir boys. But punching women in the face, choking them, raping them -- its far beyond the line. Who cares if you can ball if youre a Crap human being.

 

Redeem yourself. Go ahead. Just no on my time, or Bisciotti's dime.

You want him? You risk your money to pay him.

[ravensnation5220]

52 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Last I heard, he'd be back by August - I didn't realise that had been pushed back to September... where did you find that?

August or sepetember either way hes missig the majority if training camp. With a guy as raw as he is and has to get a lot of coaching help, missing quality reps and practice time worries me. 

[Edgar]

Tennessee leaning toward Mike Williams with pick five according to Walter Football

[rossihunter2]

23 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

DV all u want but if ravens draft a WR b4 him and he is awesome and keeps out of trouble. It will not be a legit excuse if offense struggles and finish 8-8 or 7-9.  Can't say well we couldn't draft this all pro or that all pro. If we draft a receiver that sucks and he is great and keeps out of trouble there will be no excuses when offense fails

yes there will - i will support this organisation not taking dede westbrook no matter how good he is or turns out to be

there should be zero tolerance towards domestic and sexual violence and im happy that our ball club now seems to think this too

[Ravens4Real]

Some of you guys need to remember that taking a guy with DV history isn't just a risk to the image of the organization and the potential of the player doing it again.

These guys making the draft picks have a job that they would like to keep. If they back a guy like that and he ends up beating the hell out of another woman, you can bet they don't have much job security.

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

August or sepetember either way hes missig the majority if training camp. With a guy as raw as he is and has to get a lot of coaching help, missing quality reps and practice time worries me. 

man that changes it a bit - i was really heating up on takk - i still think that if we got a young pass rusher and got them into the lineup at least on passing downs vs the bengals in week 1 it would be a glorious welcome what with the state of their oline - imagine takk mckinley coming down on jake fisher or whoever else they have out at right tackle - but i guess that's the same for any high round pass rusher we bring in - that would be a great way to start the season...

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Some of you guys need to remember that taking a guy with DV history isn't just a risk to the image of the organization and the potential of the player doing it again.

These guys making the draft picks have a job that they would like to keep. If they back a guy like that and he ends up beating the hell out of another woman, you can bet they don't have much job security.

there's also the moral aspect - remember these guys in ownership, the front office, coaching, the rest of the team aren't just guys who want to win at all costs - some of the players have had notable tough issues with domestic violence in their childhoods etc. - how could you justify bringing in a guy who might represent the very thing they hate most in the world - for us to bring in a guy with a DV history, the coaches and front office and steve and all the players would have to be ok with the guy from a moral standpoint before you even get to the image in the press / endorsement in public

[JoeKnows]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Tennessee leaning toward Mike Williams with pick five according to Walter Football

Many sources are reporting on their interest in Mike I think it's legit. Although 5 seems a bit high for him. I think they'll try and trade down and take him.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Tennessee leaning toward Mike Williams with pick five according to Walter Football

Imo, they would be dumb to pass on OJ for him. I love mike Williams but as great of a run blocker oj Howard is and how great of a security blanket he's been, he would fit that power run offense so beautifully and be a hell of an outlet for mariota. You can have average receivers with a TE and run game of that caliber

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

there's also the moral aspect - remember these guys in ownership, the front office, coaching, the rest of the team aren't just guys who want to win at all costs - some of the players have had notable tough issues with domestic violence in their childhoods etc. - how could you justify bringing in a guy who might represent the very thing they hate most in the world - for us to bring in a guy with a DV history, the coaches and front office and steve and all the players would have to be ok with the guy from a moral standpoint before you even get to the image in the press / endorsement in public

Not to mention many have daughters, wives and sisters themselves.

Tough to go home to your wife or your daughter after drafting, paying, or playing someone like that.

 

Dont get me wrong. People should get second chances in life. People can redeem themselves. But being paid millions of dollars to play a game is a PRIVILEGE. Not everyone deserves a 2nd chance to be a millionaire role model with a nice, easy lifestyle. And no one has to give them a 2nd chance.

I like that we have a 0 tolerance attitude towards this now. And I hope these guys can turn things around. 

[ravensnation5220]

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Steve-Smith-On-Whether-Ravens-Should-Draft-A-First-Round-WR/3210ed86-1b28-46c8-b9cf-48b2c5f0ee42

Wow SSS!!!!! Only Corey Davis and John Ross would be worth it at 16. Says mike williams would be a reach! Bold! I see where hes coming from though. 1 dimensional player. Just a jump ball guy

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Steve-Smith-On-Whether-Ravens-Should-Draft-A-First-Round-WR/3210ed86-1b28-46c8-b9cf-48b2c5f0ee42

Wow SSS!!!!! Only Corey Davis and John Ross would be worth it at 16. Says mike williams would be a reach! Bold! I see where hes coming from though. 1 dimensional player. Just a jump ball guy

Ok ok ok. As much as I respect SSS -- this is his thing, he says unexpected things.

At the combine he said Cooper Kupp was the best WR in the draft. So how would he not be worth it at 16 if hes better than Davis and Ross? 

I think its his Napolean Complex coming out.... hating on the 6'4" guy with leaping ability and catch radius bc SSS had to work so much harder at things like route running to become great.

Edited April 26 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

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8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Imo, they would be dumb to pass on OJ for him. I love mike Williams but as great of a run blocker oj Howard is and how great of a security blanket he's been, he would fit that power run offense so beautifully and be a hell of an outlet for mariota. You can have average receivers with a TE and run game of that caliber

They could run more 12 personnel with Howard and Delanie Walker, but the latter has been highly productive for them during his stint in Tennessee and he has two years remaning on his deal. Walker has quietly been one of the better receiving TEs over the past three years, and he's always been an above average blocker. Howard can obviously be his future replacement, and it would make sense for them to nab a TE in such a ridiculous TE class. But perhaps trying their luck for a No.1 WR to bookend Rishard Matthews with Walker in the middle could be the more sensible move.

[PurpleHorseman]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But you gotta gauge the risk. If a guy is a known woman beater, and you have a major history in that regard on your team, you just can't. There is a thing called press, and the ravens don't want to be known to condone domestic violence by employing players convicted of it. After trying to cover up the ray rice scandal they can't afford to do this. And they shouldn't. Guys who do this really don't deserve the chance of a lifetime to make millions playing a game. 

For other teams, you decide whether or not it's worth the risk. Doesn't matter if he's an all pro for his first 2 years if he decides to beat up his girlfriend and get put out of the league after. It's like if doctors tell a team that Jonathan Allen won't finish out a rookie contract and could often be inhibited by his arthritis in his shoulder, you don't draft the guy top 5 on the chance that the doctors are wrong, you gauge the risk vs reward and decide if you can afford to miss on that pick when he sits 6 games a year for 4 seasons and then retires. When that happens you can't throw your hands up and act surprised, it was a dumb pick because you knew it would happen. Same applies to bonehead repeat offending woman beaters

That's what I mean. Every situation is different. If a crazy girl calls cops during a heated debate that isn't the same as punching her out and dragging her. I was going to explain later but thanx!!

Edited April 26 by PurpleHorseman

[rossihunter2]

19 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

That's what I mean. Every situation is different. If a crazy girl calls cops during a heated debate that isn't the same as punching her out and dragging her. I was going to explain later but thanx!!

what are you even talking about?

[Boddiebroadus]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Don't get me wrong he's far from my first choice. But a few days ago I would've ranted over the pick, but if he happens to be the pick tomorrow, the way I see it after more film review, I would be on board with it 100%. You gotta be blind to not see this guys immense potential, which really shouldn't be that hard to develop into. High character and work ethic guys with this much raw talent don't come by often. 

I mean hell Myles Garrett isn't exactly refined and he's touted as the next Julius peppers/jevon kearse. 

Okay I feel you, I'd support any raven we pick with all the optimism in the world. (I'd still rather have Harris over takk)

[RaineV1]

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the Eagles go corner. 

I think so too, but given the depth of corners in this draft I could see them dealing with a smaller need first.

[Deflated Football]

Let Corey Davis slide to us! We'll regret not picking him!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

NFL.com just posted a list of rumors you can buy.

One was to expect Njoku to come off the board before Barnett. Theyre hearing that many teams view Barnett as a solid player but nothing special, while Njoku has dominant potential. 

hmmmmmmmm..... 

Whether or not that would mean Barnett falls to us, it would mean another talented player does. And prob a team looking for a receiving threat goes TE instead of WR.

 

Also theyre hearing Reddick will go before Foster probably.

And barring a full clearance of any wrongdoing by the authorities on Conley, he is almost definitely going undrafted. If that happens, and then hes cleared afterward -- itd be awesome if we could get him. Though he'd prob sign with whatever team picks Lattimore or Hooker (im assuming a lot here).

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000802698/article/2017-nfl-draft-10-believable-things-amid-so-much-speculation

[Deflated Football]

Hope we at least trade up for Corey Davis if we think he'll go before our pick. He said he really liked his visit at the Castle. 

[Ravens4Real]

Seeing that Peppers is believed to go mid to late second round. Any chance he would make it to our 2nd round pick? Any interest?

Edited April 26 by Ravens4Real

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok ok ok. As much as I respect SSS -- this is his thing, he says unexpected things.

At the combine he said Cooper Kupp was the best WR in the draft. So how would he not be worth it at 16 if hes better than Davis and Ross? 

I think its his Napolean Complex coming out.... hating on the 6'4" guy with leaping ability and catch radius bc SSS had to work so much harder at things like route running to become great.

 

It could be the napoleon complex(funny by the way) but keep in mind  what type of wide receiver Steve Smith was for most of his career. If this was Anquan Boldin instead of Steve Smith Sr then he probably would speak highly of Mike Williams naturally because he was a  pretty similar receiver. I can see  Derrick Mason saying something similar to what Steve Smith Sr said because they both were receivers that emphasis on running precise routes and being smart about it. This what you see on tape with Corey Davis and John Ross but don't see that often with Mike Williams and the guy isn't a great route runner atleast not right now.

[Batcerb]

Wonder if we see a slide for Marshon Lattimore, with the possibility of him being one of the others in this hotel room saga?

 

 

[jazz1988]

20 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Hope we at least trade up for Corey Davis if we think he'll go before our pick. He said he really liked his visit at the Castle. 

I like Corey Davis alot  but he hasn't been able to show anything to the scouts. His tape is pretty good but he's so unknown. I wouldn't really trade up for him base off that alone honestly.

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

what are you even talking about?

Treating all DV cases the same