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[rmw10]

Just now, RayRocks said:

Or it could mean that:

- they feel good about Correa's future as an ILB
- they have other ILB's in this draft class closely rated to Foster
- They had someone else on the board rated higher than Foster

Yeah, this too.

[52520Andrew]

46 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Would you be saying the same thing if he fails another couple of drug tests and gets a 4 game suspension after we pick him?  It's foolish to say it'd be unacceptable because we know none of the facts.  If he makes it to us and we take him, it shows we have the comfort.  If not, I think it goes to show that Ozzie vetted his Alabama sources and determined he wasn't worth the risk.  By no means would passing on him be unacceptable just because he's a good player.  He can't be a good player if he's not on the field, and that may or may not be a real concern.

Or if Myles Garrett is available like he probably will be

[JoeyFlex5]

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

[Ravens4Real]

Just don't like using a first rounder on an ILB. Especially when you already have one very good one. I don't think you need two stud ILB's. 

We need a player at a postition which impacts the game more. OLB/WR/CB. I am of the mindset that these complementary positions can be filled in the later rounds. Postitions like G/C/ILB/DT. 

For those reasons are why I'd be upset with Foster being our pick at 16.

Edited April 26 by Ravens4Real

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

Ya thats why I was big on him before. The only thing that really worries me is he wont be able to play or practice till probably september because of his shoulder surgery

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Just don't like using a first rounder on an ILB. Especially when you already have one very good one. I don't think you need two stud ILB's. 

We need a player at a postition which impacts the game more. OLB/WR/CB. I am of the mindset that these complementary positions can be filled in the later rounds. Postitions like G/C/ILB/DT. 

For those reasons are why I'd be upset with Foster being our pick at 16.

I'd be upset with it jUst because foster seems like a legit knucklehead who's bound to be trouble. He's an undeniable talent who would be a welcomed addition, but then again he wouldn't be available to us if he wasn't such a character and concussion risk

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya thats why I was big on him before. The only thing that really worries me is he wont be able to play or practice till probably september because of his shoulder surgery

Out of the loop here because this is the first I'm hearing about it smh

but I must say the fact that he played the way he did with a torn labrum is damn impressive. He played with brute force with that injury and was bench pressing blockers. 

Edited April 26 by JoeyFlex5

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

I dont know if youve read much about his background -- he's a survivor and real fighter. Hes had to overcome some pretty rough circumstances just to get to this point, and hes got a great support group around him in his aunt and grandmother.

I always apply a few bonus points to prospects like that. It makes me more confident that they are not going to take the opportunity for granted, and they have that drive to get the most out of their ability. Because tons of potential is great and all, but if the kid never lives up to half of it you dont have much.

THis kids got potential and what it takes to achieve it.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont know if youve read much about his background -- he's a survivor and real fighter. Hes had to overcome some pretty rough circumstances just to get to this point, and hes got a great support group around him in his aunt and grandmother.

I always apply a few bonus points to prospects like that. It makes me more confident that they are not going to take the opportunity for granted, and they have that drive to get the most out of their ability. Because tons of potential is great and all, but if the kid never lives up to half of it you dont have much.

THis kids got potential and what it takes to achieve it.

I haven't heard his background but I agree with guys overcoming the odds. Torrey smith is a prime example, he over achieved by miles here in Baltimore because he's just an excellent human being who has been through hell and will succeed by appreciating his opportunities and making the most of them. If takk gets in here and busts his hump and learns to play like a pro then he can be really special

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont know if youve read much about his background -- he's a survivor and real fighter. Hes had to overcome some pretty rough circumstances just to get to this point, and hes got a great support group around him in his aunt and grandmother.

I always apply a few bonus points to prospects like that. It makes me more confident that they are not going to take the opportunity for granted, and they have that drive to get the most out of their ability. Because tons of potential is great and all, but if the kid never lives up to half of it you dont have much.

THis kids got potential and what it takes to achieve it.

His grandmother passed away. Not sure if your reffering to his other grandmother but "granny" had a big impact on his life and decisions. Ive always liked him a lot but his injury affects his dpendability and gives me pause

I am glad he took his education seriously at one point of his life. Regardless if his major is african american studies..which doesnt seem very applicable to anything he will do

Edited April 26 by ravensnation5220

[Italian Raven]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the Eagles go corner. 

Me too. They have 0 starting material kn the roster atm.

I'd be surprised if they go any other direction, just like Colts should most definitely go OL or RB (unless a player like Allen or Thomas falls but it's highly unlikely).

Edited April 26 by Italian Raven

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

20 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Just don't like using a first rounder on an ILB. Especially when you already have one very good one. I don't think you need two stud ILB's. 

We need a player at a postition which impacts the game more. OLB/WR/CB. I am of the mindset that these complementary positions can be filled in the later rounds. Postitions like G/C/ILB/DT. 

For those reasons are why I'd be upset with Foster being our pick at 16.

Idk how id feel about Foster at this point, but i dont know about the argument of other positions necessarily impacting the game more. Guys up the middle really cant be schemed away from.

An edge rusher you can run off the other tackle, or attack the space hes leaving behind or get the ball out really quickly. A WR you can bracket or put a lock down CB on. A team can move WR's around to avoid a certain CB (though adding one here would give us good CBs all over the place)...

But having two stud ILB's can have an impact on literally every play... whether blitzing up the middle, tackling ball carriers from sideline to sideline, covering RBs, TEs, and slot receivers, etc.... 

Safeties can cover the whole field, prevent the big plays, come down and stuff runs, blitz to add pressure, cover TEs, etc...

Same with interior DL... quickest way to throw off a passing game is pressure right up the middle. QB cant step up into throws and it gets there much quicker so harder to just avoid by getting the ball out quick. Also destroys a run game when the RB's are getting hit 2 yards behind the line every play.

Same then obviously applies for interior OL, to avoid allowing another team to do to you what i just described above.

 

I am a firm believer that the best way to build a team is through the middle. And i think a dominant DT, ILB, S, or C/G will impact a team more than a great WR, TE, DE/OLB or CB can.

Obviously it's important to have talent everywhere, and ill take an all pro edge rusher over a good starting OG.... but all things equal im going with someone up the middle.

[Boddiebroadus]

27 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

I agree with you on all this but that doesn't equal pick 16 to me. He has too much work still and he's injured. I would like a more refined prospect at 16. I think he has all the potential in the world but that may all he be. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I haven't heard his background but I agree with guys overcoming the odds. Torrey smith is a prime example, he over achieved by miles here in Baltimore because he's just an excellent human being who has been through hell and will succeed by appreciating his opportunities and making the most of them. If takk gets in here and busts his hump and learns to play like a pro then he can be really special

I'd look into it. 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mckinley-colorado-20161102-story.html

 

From having to escape a sort of kidnapping situation when really really young, to overcoming an absent mother, to avoiding the pitfalls that surrounded him during his adolescence and HS years and instead seeking out positive male role models to follow, to being overlooked as an athlete and breaking on the scene...

Its a good read. Will give you a different perspective and appreciation for the guy. 

[PurpleHorseman]

42 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

And he can bend. He has on occasions. But so far it isn't his preferred arsenal. Like Bosa everybody saying he would bust and couldn't bend. He showed he could bend some his inaugural NFL game. I said Bosa would be as good or better than jj Watt. And I'm going with the latter. As for Takk he has the raw tools. A year with Suggs will help him a lot

[rmw10]

Found this on Foster too.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

And he can bend. He has on occasions. But so far it isn't his preferred arsenal. Like Bosa everybody saying he would bust and couldn't bend. He showed he could bend some his inaugural NFL game. I said Bosa would be as good or better than jj Watt. And I'm going with the latter. As for Takk he has the raw tools. A year with Suggs will help him a lot

The people saying bosa couldn't bend weren't watching his film. He slipped and fell on occasion because he's so damn big and bending like he's 2 inches shorter and 30lbs lighter. 

I still don't like mckinleys bend much, but he's one of the rare cases that I think his lean can be improved, he plays with such a low center of gravity he just doesn't use it to flatten the edge when he has the opportunity. That could be developed with better knowledge of when and how to disengage in different ways 

[JoeyFlex5]

36 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

I agree with you on all this but that doesn't equal pick 16 to me. He has too much work still and he's injured. I would like a more refined prospect at 16. I think he has all the potential in the world but that may all he be. 

Don't get me wrong he's far from my first choice. But a few days ago I would've ranted over the pick, but if he happens to be the pick tomorrow, the way I see it after more film review, I would be on board with it 100%. You gotta be blind to not see this guys immense potential, which really shouldn't be that hard to develop into. High character and work ethic guys with this much raw talent don't come by often. 

I mean hell Myles Garrett isn't exactly refined and he's touted as the next Julius peppers/jevon kearse. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Obviously I'm still rooting 100% for Barnett or Mike Williams...

But hearing now a bunch of teams are high on him as i was originally, id actually be excited if we took Charles Harris.

 

He wouldnt be my 1st choice obviously. I want Barnett, Williams, Davis, Reddick or someone else thats not projected to be available that falls.

But theres a few guys that after thinking and reviewing the tape another round that arent really popular but id be excited about (because us picking them means the FO sees some of what i see, and are confident they can max these guys out):

Charles Harris, Tim Williams, Marlon Humphrey, and Takk.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

His grandmother passed away. Not sure if your reffering to his other grandmother but "granny" had a big impact on his life and decisions. Ive always liked him a lot but his injury affects his dpendability and gives me pause

I am glad he took his education seriously at one point of his life. Regardless if his major is african american studies..which doesnt seem very applicable to anything he will do

Last I heard, he'd be back by August - I didn't realise that had been pushed back to September... where did you find that?

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The people saying bosa couldn't bend weren't watching his film. He slipped and fell on occasion because he's so damn big and bending like he's 2 inches shorter and 30lbs lighter. 

I still don't like mckinleys bend much, but he's one of the rare cases that I think his lean can be improved, he plays with such a low center of gravity he just doesn't use it to flatten the edge when he has the opportunity. That could be developed with better knowledge of when and how to disengage in different ways 

that's what i noticed - not that he does bend but that he has shown in occasional moments that he can which demonstrated that he has the tools to bend better more often and develop that flexibility

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been warming up to takk McKinley after watching more film. I love the way he just takes blockers on a ride against their will, like he just kidnaps dudes and says "you're coming with me boi" and drags them to the backfield. And he breaks free from blocks without even using any disengage tactics, he just violently shoves dudes off of him. 

I would really have to hope that Suggs teaches this young man everything he can, he seems like a bright young man and obviously a workaholic, nobody with that effort level is gonna be slacking at any point. And the way he closes in and eats up ground is just amazing. 

It's also loads of fun to watch him get turned around by blockers and see him recklessly flail to get squared back up without losing ground. When he got spun around against ASU and he just blindly leaped in the air with the slim hope that he could bat a pass I just laughed... hopefully he can harness that desire and turn it into something a little more thoughtful lol. With the likely bs rumors of takk being high on our board I can't say I'd be too disappointed after a second and third thought

You're funny, man.

I think we talk ourselves into a slide of some imagined abject difference maker at sixteen when you're really fortunate to find a CJ Mosley.

I think we view Takkarist as a guy we know will generate pressure and as a guy that is already a good run defender...really underrated in that regard.

His floor is probably six or seven sacks per year with multiple pressures but his ceiling could be 12- 15 if he can learn how to set tackles up for that burst and get any sort of inside moves. He could be a lot stronger than he shows on tape due to the effects of him having a torn labrum.

Add to that a guy that just comes at the guy across from relentlessly all game, a great Ravens type player and a work ethic guys will want to measure up to and he could be an even better pick at sixteen than CJ.

I would love to see us double up later with Mathis in round four or five.

[Edgar]

41 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Found this on Foster too.

 

That guy unfortunately feels like a mess to me. 

[PurpleHorseman]

If we don't get Davis round1. Westbrook would be ideal if he is on the ravens board. He is better than john Ross. If we miss out on Davis I like JuJu Westbrook and Ardarius in rounds 2-3. However I would not hate Ross pick

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

If we don't get Davis round1. Westbrook would be ideal if he is on the ravens board. He is better than john Ross. If we miss out on Davis I like JuJu Westbrook and Ardarius in rounds 2-3. However I would not hate Ross pick

He's not, front office has said over and over that anyone with DV isn't an option

[Italian Raven]

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

If we don't get Davis round1. Westbrook would be ideal if he is on the ravens board. He is better than john Ross. If we miss out on Davis I like JuJu Westbrook and Ardarius in rounds 2-3. However I would not hate Ross pick

Dede has basically 0 chances of wearing a Ravens uniform. Twice domestic violence. Nough said.

It's sad cause I think he was a borderline 1st rounder. 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

If we don't get Davis round1. Westbrook would be ideal if he is on the ravens board. He is better than john Ross. If we miss out on Davis I like JuJu Westbrook and Ardarius in rounds 2-3. However I would not hate Ross pick

Decent player but tons of off field stuff with Dede.  Some rumors that he could go undrafted because of the issues and how bad his interviews were.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

He's not, front office has said over and over that anyone with DV isn't an option

exactly - its crazy this year but this year's class seems to have a problem with these incidents (proven or unproven):

joe mixon, dede westbrook, devonte fields, jourdan lewis, caleb brantley, gareon conley, maybe even dalvin cook are now virtually untouchable for the ravens - certainly the first 4, and then caleb and conley will be probably undraftable for the ravens due to the recency of their cases even if they are untrue

so maybe 7 guys who would go in the first 2 days are now potentially off the board for the ravens

Edited April 26 by rossihunter2

[PurpleHorseman]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Decent player but tons of off field stuff with Dede.  Some rumors that he could go undrafted because of the issues and how bad his interviews were.

Didn't hear bout interviews but that dude is good. Cuz of his probs many are not looking hard at his skills. He is awesome. Can create separation anywhere. Elusive after catch and can highpoint

[rmw10]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Didn't hear bout interviews but that dude is good. Cuz of his probs many are not looking hard at his skills. He is awesome. Can create separation anywhere. Elusive after catch and can highpoint

And a DV history so stop dreaming while you're at it.