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[Ravenskid52752]

Just to re-up on the Chad Forbes tweet earlier Jeff zrebiec said something close to it responding to a question from a fan about Forrest Lamp to the ravens 

 

Jeff Zrebiec‏ @jeffzrebiecsun

 

Replying to @JoeSchillerr

little high for my liking but he's gonna be a good player and can play 3 spots. May come down to him and Davis at 16 unless a LB falls. (aka Rueben Foster)

 

[Davesta]

52 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Just to re-up on the Chad Forbes tweet earlier Jeff zrebiec said something close to it responding to a question from a fan about Forrest Lamp to the ravens 

 

Jeff Zrebiec‏ @jeffzrebiecsun

 

Replying to @JoeSchillerr

little high for my liking but he's gonna be a good player and can play 3 spots. May come down to him and Davis at 16 unless a LB falls. (aka Rueben Foster)

 

Something tells me eagles aiming for Corey as well

[Ravenskid52752]

2 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Something tells me eagles aiming for Corey as well

Yeah getting that since too. since I live in Philly I know a lot of people here lobbying for McCaffrey or Rueben Foster but could definitely see them taking Davis because Jeffery on a 1 year deal and so it Jordan Matthews( last year of rookie contract)

[BmoreBird22]

I think the Eagles go corner. 

[BmoreBird22]

I think one really tough thing for teams is that a player like Dalvin Cook is the model teammate and a great person on field... he's just dumb off the field. How do you weigh that?

I think if he goes to Tampa, it'll be trouble since he'll be so close to home. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think one really tough thing for teams is that a player like Dalvin Cook is the model teammate and a great person on field... he's just dumb off the field. How do you weigh that?

I think if he goes to Tampa, it'll be trouble since he'll be so close to home. 

I think you have to weight it more strongly to the latter.  I knew he had some troubles but seeing some of the write ups and just how many run-ins he's had with the law really surprised me.  I'd view him like Foster - nothing major (he wasn't convincted of anything) but those red flags just keep adding up and typically that's a bad sign for future behavior.

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you have to weight it more strongly to the latter.  I knew he had some troubles but seeing some of the write ups and just how many run-ins he's had with the law really surprised me.  I'd view him like Foster - nothing major (he wasn't convincted of anything) but those red flags just keep adding up and typically that's a bad sign for future behavior.

Being a pothead, being a drinker, getting in a fight or 2, having an attitude, etc. can be excused and can often be fixed in the right environment.

Poor judgement, poor character, and bad decision making, cannot be excused or fixed. At least in my opinion. 

We've seen guys like Brandon Marshall do a complete 180, but it's rare for someone who repeatedly gets in trouble in multiple ways to just suddenly become a model citizen. When you have a large sample size showing a distinct pattern, it usually means something

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Being a pothead, being a drinker, getting in a fight or 2, having an attitude, etc. can be excused and can often be fixed in the right environment.

Poor judgement, poor character, and bad decision making, cannot be excused or fixed. At least in my opinion. 

We've seen guys like Brandon Marshall do a complete 180, but it's rare for someone who repeatedly gets in trouble in multiple ways to just suddenly become a model citizen. When you have a large sample size showing a distinct pattern, it usually means something

Yeah I can't say definitively that Cook is always going to be a troublemaker, but the history would lead you to believe that's not going to change.  There's always this magical time called the offseason where these players typically go home and end up being around the same people that got them in trouble in the first place.  It's so easy to say guys can just step away from that but I think time has proven that it's incredibly hard to just change your life like that.  I hope for Cook because he's an extremely talented player, but I wouldn't touch him early with all of his reported issues.

[arnie_uk]

20 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705378-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-draft-buzz-updated-big-board-more

This is an example from this year of what I talked about.

For some reason it annoys me how much your swear by Matt Miller lol

Edited April 26 by arnie_uk

[Davesta]

38 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think one really tough thing for teams is that a player like Dalvin Cook is the model teammate and a great person on field... he's just dumb off the field. How do you weigh that?

I think if he goes to Tampa, it'll be trouble since he'll be so close to home. 

Dalvin is a great talent, but he might not be smart / mature enough. I'll pass

[ravensnation5220]

11 hours ago, rmw10 said:

More on the Conley situation.  Obviously the grammar and prose are lacking, but thought it was an interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/draft-diamonds-investigative-report-gareon-conley-maybe-the-victim/

Ya that was an interesting read. If thats true or not, all these prospects have to do is STAY HOME for 3 months...its not that hard especially when you have the chance to make millions.

Edited April 26 by ravensnation5220

[rmw10]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya that was an interesting read. If thats true or not all these prospects have to do is STAY HOME for 3 months...its not that hard especially when you have the chance to make millions.

I've never understood why it's that hard, but I'm also not the partying type either.  I'm pretty sure the only place I'd be spotted during the pre-draft process would be Chipotle.

[Edgar]

54 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think one really tough thing for teams is that a player like Dalvin Cook is the model teammate and a great person on field... he's just dumb off the field. How do you weigh that?

I think if he goes to Tampa, it'll be trouble since he'll be so close to home. 

We probably aren't drafting him but there is a pretty good chance he is the best player on the board at sixteen.

He positively impacts our entire football team more than any wide receiver would.

[rossihunter2]

11 hours ago, rmw10 said:

More on the Conley situation.  Obviously the grammar and prose are lacking, but thought it was an interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/draft-diamonds-investigative-report-gareon-conley-maybe-the-victim/

the fact that this guy just supposedly named the victim in a sexual assualt case having been in law enforcement for 14 years is suspect to say the least (even if he didn't include the last name) - now he may be telling the truth and all but his language is at all times predicated on defending conley and trashing this girl... this is an especially suspicious article given that the author didn't put his name on it

im not disputing the facts because i know none of them but the fact that this article goes straight into victim-blaming a sexual assault "victim" is a little disconcerting

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

the fact that this guy just supposedly named the victim in a sexual assualt case having been in law enforcement for 14 years is suspect to say the least (even if he didn't include the last name) - now he may be telling the truth and all but his language is at all times predicated on defending conley and trashing this girl... this is an especially suspicious article given that the author didn't put his name on it

im not disputing the facts because i know none of them but the fact that this article goes straight into victim-blaming a sexual assault "victim" is a little disconcerting

The author's name is at the bottom.  He runs the NFL Draft Diamonds Twitter as well and has made many other notes and answered a lot of questions there, for what it's worth.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree.  From many accounts, it sounds like Conley might be in the clear for the long term, but of course we don't know until the facts come out.  I just thought it was an interesting read considering he was following up to the reports that a few teams he had spoken to said the claim is bogus.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

The author's name is at the bottom.  He runs the NFL Draft Diamonds Twitter as well and has made many other notes and answered a lot of questions there, for what it's worth.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree.  From many accounts, it sounds like Conley might be in the clear for the long term, but of course we don't know until the facts come out.  I just thought it was an interesting read considering he was following up to the reports that a few teams he had spoken to said the claim is bogus.

oh right i missed that part entirely - i was looking for it... but obviously not well enough

it's one of those where in an ideal world his stock either wouldn't move or he'd go undrafted but i'd be surprised if this incident didn't knock him down a few rungs on most teams' boards anyway which if this is true is disappointing but understandable

[rmw10]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

oh right i missed that part entirely - i was looking for it... but obviously not well enough

it's one of those where in an ideal world his stock either wouldn't move or he'd go undrafted but i'd be surprised if this incident didn't knock him down a few rungs on most teams' boards anyway which if this is true is disappointing but understandable

Yeah Conley has to drop on boards, and I'm sure he's completely fallen off some, even if you don't believe the accusations to the be true.  It's a bad situation either way.  Either he actually did it and the fall is obviously deserved, or he didn't and he missed out on millions of dollars due to a false accusation at the worst possible time.  Teams still have to weigh the possibility that he did actually do it, and for that reason, he might hear his name really late if he hears it at all.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I've never understood why it's that hard, but I'm also not the partying type either.  I'm pretty sure the only place I'd be spotted during the pre-draft process would be Chipotle.

Lol naw Moes is so much better

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, Davesta said:

Something tells me eagles aiming for Corey as well

If Christian McAffery is available the Eagles go for him imo.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Yeah getting that since too. since I live in Philly I know a lot of people here lobbying for McCaffrey or Rueben Foster but could definitely see them taking Davis because Jeffery on a 1 year deal and so it Jordan Matthews( last year of rookie contract)

 

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the Eagles go corner. 

I live in Philly too... and the consensus among fans and local media like Mike Miss and Anthony Gargano is heavy on either McCaffery or Foster.

But I agree with @BmoreBird22 here -- i think the team is leaning CB. If Marlon Humphrey is on the board, i expect that to be the pick.

[ellicottraven]

To me if Foster gets past Arizona, then it just makes sense for the Ravens to trade places with Indy to get Foster especially if the Eagles are high on him and the Colts are looking at an O-lineman.

[trevorsteadman]

8 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

To me if Foster gets past Arizona, then it just makes sense for the Ravens to trade places with Indy to get Foster especially if the Eagles are high on him and the Colts are looking at an O-lineman.

Eagles draft before Colts.

[January J]

9 hours ago, lgcs27288 said:

I think its more of a Ravens are shying away from drafting a wr in the first because of their experience of doing it in the past hasnt been that great.

I think that's what he meant by the statement too- but thats absolute Malarkey. Ozzie and decosta would not and never will be scared or hesitant to pull the trigger on a player simply based on past results. Every situation is circumstantial and a new opportunity. If anything we're due to finally land one that becomes a pro bowl caliber receiver.

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think one really tough thing for teams is that a player like Dalvin Cook is the model teammate and a great person on field... he's just dumb off the field. How do you weigh that?

I think if he goes to Tampa, it'll be trouble since he'll be so close to home. 

I think Tampa is probably the best bet for him too. That's right around the range he'll go- keep him close to home- and you know Jamies would love it as he is a big fan of him.

Edited April 26 by January J

[trevorsteadman]

3 minutes ago, January J said:

I think that's what he meant by the statement too- but thats absolute Malarkey. Ozzie and decosta would not and never will be scared or hesitant to pull the trigger on a player simply based on past results. Every situation is circumstantial and a new opportunity. If anything we're due to finally land one that becomes a pro bowl caliber receiver.

I think Tampa is probably the best bet for him too. That's right around the range he'll go- keep him close to home- and you know Jamies would love it as he is a big fan of him.

Well said don't look at past receivers and be afraid to take another. I actually was a big fan of Perriman last year and excited to see what he can do. But there needs more talent and juice infused into that offense. A wide receiver in the first 2 rounds would benefit this team greatly.

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, January J said:

I think that's what he meant by the statement too- but thats absolute Malarkey. Ozzie and decosta would not and never will be scared or hesitant to pull the trigger on a player simply based on past results. Every situation is circumstantial and a new opportunity. If anything we're due to finally land one that becomes a pro bowl caliber receiver.

I think Tampa is probably the best bet for him too. That's right around the range he'll go- keep him close to home- and you know Jamies would love it as he is a big fan of him.

Keeping him close to home is the issue. 

[rossihunter2]

56 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah Conley has to drop on boards, and I'm sure he's completely fallen off some, even if you don't believe the accusations to the be true.  It's a bad situation either way.  Either he actually did it and the fall is obviously deserved, or he didn't and he missed out on millions of dollars due to a false accusation at the worst possible time.  Teams still have to weigh the possibility that he did actually do it, and for that reason, he might hear his name really late if he hears it at all.

i think if he falls out of the 3rd round he's going undrafted

[ellicottraven]

29 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Eagles draft before Colts.

oops! then Arizona it is...

[ellicottraven]

This is the year we need to take risks with talented players. Enough with recruiting special team aces that can also play positional football. We need difference makers and the only shot we have at getting them is if they fall off draft boards because of character concerns. We have a huge scouting network so do your research Ravens and get these guys if you believe they can be improved and changed. Don't let Harbaugh or anybody else dictate who we draft this year. We need talent especially in the first round. If Foster falls to us, it'll be totally unacceptable not to draft him because of character issues.

[rmw10]

11 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

This is the year we need to take risks with talented players. Enough with recruiting special team aces that can also play positional football. We need difference makers and the only shot we have at getting them is if they fall off draft boards because of character concerns. We have a huge scouting network so do your research Ravens and get these guys if you believe they can be improved and changed. Don't let Harbaugh or anybody else dictate who we draft this year. We need talent especially in the first round. If Foster falls to us, it'll be totally unacceptable not to draft him because of character issues.

Would you be saying the same thing if he fails another couple of drug tests and gets a 4 game suspension after we pick him?  It's foolish to say it'd be unacceptable because we know none of the facts.  If he makes it to us and we take him, it shows we have the comfort.  If not, I think it goes to show that Ozzie vetted his Alabama sources and determined he wasn't worth the risk.  By no means would passing on him be unacceptable just because he's a good player.  He can't be a good player if he's not on the field, and that may or may not be a real concern.

Edited April 26 by rmw10

[RayRocks]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Would you be saying the same thing if he fails another couple of drug tests and gets a 4 game suspension after we pick him?  It's foolish to say it'd be unacceptable because we know none of the facts.  If he makes it to us and we take him, it shows we have the comfort.  If not, I think it goes to show that Ozzie vetted his Alabama sources and determined he wasn't worth the risk.  By no means would passing on him be unacceptable just because he's a good player.  He can't be a good player if he's not on the field, and they may or may not be a real concern.

Or it could mean that:

- they feel good about Correa's future as an ILB
- they have other ILB's in this draft class closely rated to Foster
- They had someone else on the board rated higher than Foster