Who would you be most upset with at the 16th pick?

[Boddiebroadus]

Someone who I think other people would be upset with but I wouldn't is Malik McDowell. I'd much rather have him as a trade down target but dudes a freak. I don't think he'll be very productive day one and people might call him a bust but with our coaching staff and locker room I think year 2/3 he will be a pro bowler. 

 

He he has a lot of boom bust potential I'll admit and he's not my favorite choice I just wouldn't hate it. 

Edited April 22 by Boddiebroadus
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[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Someone who I think other people would be upset with but I wouldn't is Malik McDowell. I'd much rather have him as a trade down target but dudes a freak. I don't think he'll be very productive day one and people might call him a bust but with our coaching staff and locker room I think year 2/3 he will be a pro bowler. 

 

He he has a lot of boom bust potential I'll admit and he's not my favorite choice I just wouldn't hate it. 

I think his talent level is up there with Garrett and Adams. If he was a grade A character he very well could be first overall

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I've been giving it more thought since I've recently read reports about us having interest in Cam Robinson and....

 

Yeah Cam Robinson would still be terrible. Probably the worst pick we could make. And I have this gut feeling we take him. Say what you want about the Correa pick last year, I think given the success that Zach Orr had last year that Correa could hack it at ILB at a pretty decent level like Orr did. 

 

So Ozzie. You don't take Larmey Tunsil, clearly a superior physical talent and has a higher ceiling than Stanley because of drug concerns(a move I actually agree with. I don't need my players being the next Randy Gregory/Josh Gordon), but Robinson has drug concerns and there are reports out that we really like him? Freaking hypocrite. Tunsil had upside. Robinson does at guard, but he has a low floor. I swear to god when he takes him... 

 

But yeah. I'd like to add a name to the list: Christian McCaffery. Not that I hate him as a prospect, in fact, I like him a lot, but we have far more pressing needs. I know he's rumored to go in the top ten(and when the Panthers take him I will LOL), but I highly doubt he does and think he will be avaliable then. I'd be upset, but live with the solace that I think he's gonna be a good player.

 

 

So let me ask this then

 

Who would you be upset with in the second round?

 

Me: Any RB really. Any dlinemen since I'm not impressed by most of them. I think that Kevin King and Jalen Tabor are overrated. 

 

 

Yeah. 

 

@-Truth-

 

Cam Robinson has overtaken James Harden on my personal hate scale. 

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've been giving it more thought since I've recently read reports about us having interest in Cam Robinson and....

 

Yeah Cam Robinson would still be terrible. Probably the worst pick we could make. And I have this gut feeling we take him. Say what you want about the Correa pick last year, I think given the success that Zach Orr had last year that Correa could hack it at ILB at a pretty decent level like Orr did. 

 

So Ozzie. You don't take Larmey Tunsil, clearly a superior physical talent and has a higher ceiling than Stanley because of drug concerns(a move I actually agree with. I don't need my players being the next Randy Gregory/Josh Gordon), but Robinson has drug concerns and there are reports out that we really like him? Freaking hypocrite. Tunsil had upside. Robinson does at guard, but he has a low floor. I swear to god when he takes him... 

 

But yeah. I'd like to add a name to the list: Christian McCaffery. Not that I hate him as a prospect, in fact, I like him a lot, but we have far more pressing needs. I know he's rumored to go in the top ten(and when the Panthers take him I will LOL), but I highly doubt he does and think he will be avaliable then. I'd be upset, but live with the solace that I think he's gonna be a good player.

 

 

So let me ask this then

 

Who would you be upset with in the second round?

 

Me: Any RB really. Any dlinemen since I'm not impressed by most of them. I think that Kevin King and Jalen Tabor are overrated. 

 

 

Yeah. 

 

@-Truth-

 

Cam Robinson has overtaken James Harden on my personal hate scale. 

I dont thin Cams issues are nearly as bad as Tunsils. His charges were dropped and he never had any other issues. I really cant compare Cams situation to tunsil. Tunsil is a much better prospect yes. However Cam is a mammoth of an athlete. We said we want to get bigger on the Oline and Cam would do that the minute he walked into the building. I understand the dislike for Cam, not the hate

[Jonah DeVito]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've been giving it more thought since I've recently read reports about us having interest in Cam Robinson and....

 

Yeah Cam Robinson would still be terrible. Probably the worst pick we could make. And I have this gut feeling we take him. Say what you want about the Correa pick last year, I think given the success that Zach Orr had last year that Correa could hack it at ILB at a pretty decent level like Orr did. 

 

So Ozzie. You don't take Larmey Tunsil, clearly a superior physical talent and has a higher ceiling than Stanley because of drug concerns(a move I actually agree with. I don't need my players being the next Randy Gregory/Josh Gordon), but Robinson has drug concerns and there are reports out that we really like him? Freaking hypocrite. Tunsil had upside. Robinson does at guard, but he has a low floor. I swear to god when he takes him... 

 

But yeah. I'd like to add a name to the list: Christian McCaffery. Not that I hate him as a prospect, in fact, I like him a lot, but we have far more pressing needs. I know he's rumored to go in the top ten(and when the Panthers take him I will LOL), but I highly doubt he does and think he will be avaliable then. I'd be upset, but live with the solace that I think he's gonna be a good player.

 

 

So let me ask this then

 

Who would you be upset with in the second round?

 

Me: Any RB really. Any dlinemen since I'm not impressed by most of them. I think that Kevin King and Jalen Tabor are overrated. 

 

 

Yeah. 

 

@-Truth-

 

Cam Robinson has overtaken James Harden on my personal hate scale. 

I'm not even a Rockets fan but you can't hate on Harden bro, the dude is a beast. 

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've been giving it more thought since I've recently read reports about us having interest in Cam Robinson and....

 

Yeah Cam Robinson would still be terrible. Probably the worst pick we could make. And I have this gut feeling we take him. Say what you want about the Correa pick last year, I think given the success that Zach Orr had last year that Correa could hack it at ILB at a pretty decent level like Orr did. 

 

So Ozzie. You don't take Larmey Tunsil, clearly a superior physical talent and has a higher ceiling than Stanley because of drug concerns(a move I actually agree with. I don't need my players being the next Randy Gregory/Josh Gordon), but Robinson has drug concerns and there are reports out that we really like him? Freaking hypocrite. Tunsil had upside. Robinson does at guard, but he has a low floor. I swear to god when he takes him... 

 

But yeah. I'd like to add a name to the list: Christian McCaffery. Not that I hate him as a prospect, in fact, I like him a lot, but we have far more pressing needs. I know he's rumored to go in the top ten(and when the Panthers take him I will LOL), but I highly doubt he does and think he will be avaliable then. I'd be upset, but live with the solace that I think he's gonna be a good player.

 

 

So let me ask this then

 

Who would you be upset with in the second round?

 

Me: Any RB really. Any dlinemen since I'm not impressed by most of them. I think that Kevin King and Jalen Tabor are overrated. 

 

 

Yeah. 

 

@-Truth-

 

Cam Robinson has overtaken James Harden on my personal hate scale. 

The proof is ultimately in the play. I can understand not wanting Cam at sixteen but if midway through the season, we are moving and scoring the football, if Joe has ample time to make reads and if it appears we have two stalwart bookends for the next five years, all will be well.

Sometimes the context of a full draft, rounds 1-6 can soften a disappointing first round selection. And a little distance can and add perspective.

 

[GrimCoconut]

I would be disappointed if we took Cam Robinson but I don't think we will. FWIW, it's not because I think Cam is or will be a bad player; rather, it's because we took a LT high last year and he's certainly not even close to being my favorite OL in the first. I'd rather take Lamp way before Robinson. 

[-Truth-]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I would be disappointed if we took Cam Robinson but I don't think we will. FWIW, it's not because I think Cam is or will be a bad player; rather, it's because we took a LT high last year and he's certainly not even close to being my favorite OL in the first. I'd rather take Lamp way before Robinson. 

The only issue is that most have Robinson pegged as a guard prospect, so if our FO sees Robinson as a guard, they may be more inclined to take him than if he were projected to remain at LT.

[RayRayRaven]

I'm in on robinson dispite the alambam connectshon

[PurpleHorseman]

11 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I would be disappointed if we took Cam Robinson but I don't think we will. FWIW, it's not because I think Cam is or will be a bad player; rather, it's because we took a LT high last year and he's certainly not even close to being my favorite OL in the first. I'd rather take Lamp way before Robinson. 

Lamp is so Freakin overrated it is mind boggling!! He could be a good pro but nothing remotely justifying NO.16 overall. The Zack Martin comparisons are delusional. He gets very little movement if any against quality opponents. Loses control of blocks in short order. He is not Yanda, Martin. I bought into his hype for a while. His Bama tape is ok nothing special that shouts round one pro bowl skill set

Edited April 23 by PurpleHorseman

[Sami84]

On 4/20/2017 at 11:24 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Prove it.

This wasnt memory... i went through your post history.

You literally did NOT type the word Perriman anywhere on this website prior to the draft. Not once.... unless it was hidden somewhere in a non-draft related thread.

Everything i said was fact. And if youre going to call me a liar or spreading "half truths"..... prove it. Your post history is cataloged. 

 

And before i get the obvious -- wow, you must really care, digging so deep into my post history.... It took 5 minutes, tops. And, if you were so adamant about not taking Perriman before the draft it should take you less than that to find the posts and prove it.

 

I wrote in a reply in the 2015 thread where someone had perriman as our first round pick that NO i didnt want him. I have thousands of posts, I't would take me hours to find that one post but i recall it as it's the first thing i thought of as it pertanis to my predictions and perriman being a guy i didnt want.

[Sami84]

I'll make a bet that one of Jordan Willis or Tyus Bowser will be ravens on the 1st or second day.

[JO_75]

Add me on the Cam Robinson hate if he becomes our pick. If we take a OL, take Lamp and get our franchise center for the next 10-15 year's. Whether we take Lamp at 16 or trade down and still land him, regardless I hope it's Lamp. 

With The Sun saying we want to build a line similar to Dallas, I do think OL will be the pick Thursday night. Just hope someone takes him before us or a team like the Broncos, or Giants jump us to ensure Robinson is not there at 16.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Im actually starting to think that the interest and reported intrigue with Cam Robinson is a smoke screen.

I find it odd that if we were serious about taking a RT in the 1st, why would Cam be the only one we've shown interest in? No Ramczyk, Bolles, or Lamp for that matter?? 

Yet at WR we met privately with all 3 top guys. At pass rusher we've privately met with or worked out Reddick, Tim Williams, Taco, Takk, etc..

But not OL. Thinking that could be Ozzie recognizing that Denver or NYG could covet Cam and recognizes they're maybe his best or only possibility to trade back. So, to keep that door open he's feigning serious interest.

Of course it could be that he knows they could move up but like Bolles or Ram better, so theyre doing the homework on Cam as a potential pick if they do that trade back.

 

Hate this time of the year. These last cpl days are maddening.

[Sami84]

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Im actually starting to think that the interest and reported intrigue with Cam Robinson is a smoke screen.

I find it odd that if we were serious about taking a RT in the 1st, why would Cam be the only one we've shown interest in? No Ramczyk, Bolles, or Lamp for that matter?? 

Yet at WR we met privately with all 3 top guys. At pass rusher we've privately met with or worked out Reddick, Tim Williams, Taco, Takk, etc..

But not OL. Thinking that could be Ozzie recognizing that Denver or NYG could covet Cam and recognizes they're maybe his best or only possibility to trade back. So, to keep that door open he's feigning serious interest.

Of course it could be that he knows they could move up but like Bolles or Ram better, so theyre doing the homework on Cam as a potential pick if they do that trade back.

 

Hate this time of the year. These last cpl days are maddening.

 

yeah..these next 3 days are going to go by so slow. I feel like sleeping through it..

[trevorsteadman]

No lie I hopped on the Hasaan Reddick train early in the process and I am always afraid of the late risers. But watching his film he does everything right and he is everywhere. He has that natural pass rushing ability to play OLB or he has that tracking and closing speed that would be good at a Will linebacker for this team. Unfortunately he will likely be gone by 16 now, but if he is somehow there, I think the Ravens should take him. He is too good to pass up.

[Maryland]

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

No lie I hopped on the Hasaan Reddick train early in the process and I am always afraid of the late risers. But watching his film he does everything right and he is everywhere. He has that natural pass rushing ability to play OLB or he has that tracking and closing speed that would be good at a Will linebacker for this team. Unfortunately he will likely be gone by 16 now, but if he is somehow there, I think the Ravens should take him. He is too good to pass up.

#16 is way too early to take a project LB who is too light to play the line every down. That's basically what we have already with Correa.

Ideally he goes to a 4-3 team where he can play will-backer and then rush the passer on obvious passing downs. 

Edited April 25 by Maryland

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

#16 is way too early to take a project LB who is too light to play the line every down. That's basically what we have already with Correa.

Ideally he goes to a 4-3 team where he can play will-backer and then rush the passer on obvious passing downs. 

His skillset is far superior though. Correa was all burst and motor in college, reddick has some very real bend and lightning quick footwork to keep him clean, along with really long arms and a low center of gravity that he uses both very well to create some solid speed to power rushes. 

And a huge aspect that goes unnoticed here is that correa takes blockers head on and gets stonewalled, reddick doesn't do that, he works one shoulder of the tackle and never allows them to square up and engage cleanly.

[lgcs27288]

Any of the RBs. They might be good and all, but we just have too many needs that can be addressed with that pick. I also believe in Dixon.

[-Truth-]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His skillset is far superior though. Correa was all burst and motor in college, reddick has some very real bend and lightning quick footwork to keep him clean, along with really long arms and a low center of gravity that he uses both very well to create some solid speed to power rushes. 

And a huge aspect that goes unnoticed here is that correa takes blockers head on and gets stonewalled, reddick doesn't do that, he works one shoulder of the tackle and never allows them to square up and engage cleanly.

Agreed there. I'd expect Redick to bump up somewhat from 237 to say the forties. I personally don't see him as someone who'll be limited to just the passing downs, especially since he'll likely be shifted around between the LB spots and will see time at ILB. And we've seen players lighter than Redick in their Combine weights who've stuck with full-time roles, i.e. C.J. Mosley.

[KBoum]

8 hours ago, Maryland said:

#16 is way too early to take a project LB who is too light to play the line every down. That's basically what we have already with Correa.

Ideally he goes to a 4-3 team where he can play will-backer and then rush the passer on obvious passing downs. 

4-3.. 3-4 ... Not of a lot of teams run these typical schemes anymore.

Last 2 years the Ravens played 70-75% Nickle with 3 CBs. Sometimes with 4 on the line, sometimes with 3 on the line. After the halfway of the season last year the Ravens played 4-3 Under VS 2 WRs formations. But at the end of the day a 4-3 Under is kinda similar to the 3-4... except you move your DE a bit more outside to take on the RT so the SAM Backer is against the TE/FB/RB. That scheme is a lot better with SAM like Correa/McClellan. They don't have a 280 pounds SAM (Upshaw) anymore to play against OT. At the end of the day, Reddick can play 4-3 Under, he can play Nickle LB. You can even use him on the line wide 9 Dime package rushing the passer. He's got such a great bend around the corner so you can use him on passing situations. What impressed me the more about Reddick is at the Senior Bowl. The guy just learned a "new" position and was lights out the best player on the field. What we learned at the Senior bowl is the guy is a baller. He can play a stand up role LB. If they wanna play a 3-4 hybrid ? He can bounce inside. If they wanna run a 4-3 Under ? No problem he can play SAM and you bring Jefferson the Will. 

 

I still don't think he'll be the pick at 16, imo I think they'll try to give Correa one more shot at it. They are kinda similar but Reddick is more refined, more NFL ready. We'll see after a complete offseason with NFL training coachs what Correa can do. Thats why I think they'll go more a Sugg/Barnett/Charlton type of player. I think they'll target Pass rushers that can play hands in the dirt on rushing situations as well. Players who are a bit heavier so they could MAYBE even move them to 5 tech. Don't forget there's a need there as well. Maybe they have high hopes for Urban I don't know

[ellicottraven]

With the first pick I want a safe and talented starter. I don't need a superstar. What I don't want is a guy who could be boom or a bust. Because more often than not, these guys end up as busts.

[Underdogsontop!]

John Ross or Cam Robinson 

[ravefan52]

4 hours ago, KBoum said:

4-3.. 3-4 ... Not of a lot of teams run these typical schemes anymore.

Last 2 years the Ravens played 70-75% Nickle with 3 CBs. Sometimes with 4 on the line, sometimes with 3 on the line. After the halfway of the season last year the Ravens played 4-3 Under VS 2 WRs formations. But at the end of the day a 4-3 Under is kinda similar to the 3-4... except you move your DE a bit more outside to take on the RT so the SAM Backer is against the TE/FB/RB. That scheme is a lot better with SAM like Correa/McClellan. They don't have a 280 pounds SAM (Upshaw) anymore to play against OT. At the end of the day, Reddick can play 4-3 Under, he can play Nickle LB. You can even use him on the line wide 9 Dime package rushing the passer. He's got such a great bend around the corner so you can use him on passing situations. What impressed me the more about Reddick is at the Senior Bowl. The guy just learned a "new" position and was lights out the best player on the field. What we learned at the Senior bowl is the guy is a baller. He can play a stand up role LB. If they wanna play a 3-4 hybrid ? He can bounce inside. If they wanna run a 4-3 Under ? No problem he can play SAM and you bring Jefferson the Will. 

 

I still don't think he'll be the pick at 16, imo I think they'll try to give Correa one more shot at it. They are kinda similar but Reddick is more refined, more NFL ready. We'll see after a complete offseason with NFL training coachs what Correa can do. Thats why I think they'll go more a Sugg/Barnett/Charlton type of player. I think they'll target Pass rushers that can play hands in the dirt on rushing situations as well. Players who are a bit heavier so they could MAYBE even move them to 5 tech. Don't forget there's a need there as well. Maybe they have high hopes for Urban I don't know

Yeah I think reddick would be fine here. He can play the edge standing up and he fits perfectly in the 4-3 base and 4-3 under. 4-3 under is probably the ideal fit with him playing a Bruce Irvin like role.

 

I think he'll develop into a dangerous double threat in coverage and rushing the passer. Not great against the run, but that's not what the defense needs. It's scary how athletically similar Reddick is to Von Miller

[Maryland]

I guess there's nothing really positive about Correa to preclude us from drafting someone in the same mold anyway. I wouldn't be totally upset with Reddick for the upside. 

[trevorsteadman]

26 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I guess there's nothing really positive about Correa to preclude us from drafting someone in the same mold anyway. I wouldn't be totally upset with Reddick for the upside. 

Plus Reddick is more NFL ready and already has some of the most impressive film out there. I think he actually can play either will linebacker or play outside linebacker. I think you put Correa at inside if he proves he has it and put Reddick at OLB and then move Judon or Suggs to DE because they both can play that position.