Who would you be most upset with at the 16th pick?

[Jonah DeVito]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

for me of all the players i mentioned jabrill peppers is my matt elam/perriman ''please no'' pick. Think The ravens know this and will pick him just to piss me off? It's so odd that i singled out elam and perriman before the drafts as my please for the love of talent NO and yet they got picked :/

You keep talking about Perriman as if he is a bust and its extremely annoying.

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

You keep talking about Perriman as if he is a bust and its extremely annoying.

:/ looks like a bust to me..

 

[Jonah DeVito]

Just now, Sami84 said:

:/ looks like a bust to me..

 

Incredible

 

[Sami84]

11 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Incredible

 

 

 

? explain.

 

Poor routes, bad hands, poor positional play and some sporadic but great grabs..

pretty much what I said we'd be getting..

Edited April 19 by Sami84

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

:/ looks like a bust to me..

 

Not sure what makes you think that... he has been by no means a bust.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, Sami84 said:

for me of all the players i mentioned jabrill peppers is my matt elam/perriman ''please no'' pick. Think The ravens know this and will pick him just to piss me off? It's so odd that i singled out elam and perriman before the drafts as my please for the love of talent NO and yet they got picked :/

You didnt single out anything before the draft. You definitely complained afterward... ill give you that.

But actually before that draft the guy you singled out as a "please no" was Landon Collins, and equated him to Elam... and he was in the running for DPOY last year. Part of your reasoning was also how great Will Hill was. Hes da truth....

Lets also not forget how big of a bust you said Brandon Williams was, and how the 2014 draft was a clear indication of the FO admitting the failure of that pick.

 

cmon dude... your memory of how you "nail" things is pretty far off. You do know there is a record, right? You never typed the word Perriman prior to the draft. Probably bc you never heard of him, which is why you didnt like the pick. 

[sflegend89]

Cam Robinson or Taco Charlton, wouldn't surprise me at all either if we took Robinson.

Edited April 19 by sflegend89

[sflegend89]

On 4/15/2017 at 10:03 AM, Ravenskid52752 said:

Any CB outside of Marshon Lattimore because Idk where they would play, even if Jimmy or someone gets hurt tavon or Webb can move to spots plus we also have Carr too so 

Tavon and Webb really are nickel guys. Jimmy and Carr can play on the outside but Jimmy is injury prone and Brandon Carr is stop gap at 30+. Definitely can't complain about taking a corner high, especially in such a good corner class. Marlon Humphrey or Gareon Conley would be great picks.

[Ravenskid52752]

12 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Tavon and Webb really are nickel guys. Jimmy and Carr can play on the outside but Jimmy is injury prone and Brandon Carr is stop gap at 30+. Definitely can't complain about taking a corner high, especially in such a good corner class. Marlon Humphrey or Gareon Conley would be great picks.

Both of those guys will be gone by time the Ravens pick plus cars going to be here for at least two to three years so I wouldn't call him a complete stop Gap player his contract is very friendly the next 2 years. I'm not say don't draft a corner at all just don't see the value in doing that in round one with other needs like edge rusher and Wide Receiver over that. 

[sflegend89]

7 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Both of those guys will be gone by time the Ravens pick plus cars going to be here for at least two to three years so I wouldn't call him a complete stop Gap player his contract is very friendly the next 2 years. I'm not say don't draft a corner at all just don't see the value in doing that in round one with other needs like edge rusher and Wide Receiver over that. 

There is no definitive reason to think that they will both be gone. Especially Conley. We all thought Kyle Arrington was going to perform for us like he did in NE, those veteran CB's play can fall off in a hurry and I'm not convinced Carr is going to be an exception. Hopefully he gives us a good return these next 2 years but drafting a CB is totally justifiable if it's the right player.

Edited April 19 by sflegend89

[RayRocks]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

You didnt single out anything before the draft. You definitely complained afterward... ill give you that.

But actually before that draft the guy you singled out as a "please no" was Landon Collins, and equated him to Elam... and he was in the running for DPOY last year. Part of your reasoning was also how great Will Hill was. Hes da truth....

Lets also not forget how big of a bust you said Brandon Williams was, and how the 2014 draft was a clear indication of the FO admitting the failure of that pick.

 

cmon dude... your memory of how you "nail" things is pretty far off. You do know there is a record, right? You never typed the word Perriman prior to the draft. Probably bc you never heard of him, which is why you didnt like the pick. 

 

DAMN.  hahahahahah

[Ravenskid52752]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

There is no definitive reason to think that they will both be gone. Especially Conley. We all thought Kyle Arrington was going to perform for us like he did in NE, those veteran CB's play can fall off in a hurry and I'm not convinced Carr is going to be an exception. Hopefully he gives us a good return these next 2 years but drafting a CB is totally justifiable if it's the right player.

Conley will be gone trust me a lot of teams like him Titans, Saints,Eagles, Browns all have a need there as well as we do but he on the up as the 2nd or 3rd best corner 

[Cville-Raven]

4 hours ago, Sami84 said:

? explain.

 

Poor routes, bad hands, poor positional play and some sporadic but great grabs.

pretty much what I said we'd be getting..

You said those were average catches most receivers in the league make? What happened?

Edited April 19 by Cville-Raven

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, RayRocks said:

 

DAMN.  hahahahahah

 

again half truths

 

i hate lies.I said no perriman and elam way before the draft. I'm tired of peolpe using something I DID DO. (B.WILLIAMS) and then make the rest of the crap up

[Sami84]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

You didnt single out anything before the draft. You definitely complained afterward... ill give you that.

But actually before that draft the guy you singled out as a "please no" was Landon Collins, and equated him to Elam... and he was in the running for DPOY last year. Part of your reasoning was also how great Will Hill was. Hes da truth....

Lets also not forget how big of a bust you said Brandon Williams was, and how the 2014 draft was a clear indication of the FO admitting the failure of that pick.

 

cmon dude... your memory of how you "nail" things is pretty far off. You do know there is a record, right? You never typed the word Perriman prior to the draft. Probably bc you never heard of him, which is why you didnt like the pick. 

 

The sad thing about this post is that you're actually incorrect but you think you're memory is telling you otherwise.

Yes sure about b.will. I've admitted to that

but i said before the draft a big butt NO to elam and Perriman. 

[Sami84]

[rossihunter2]

27 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i'm not quite sure what point you are making with this?

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

i'm not quite sure what point you are making with this?

just found this now. Thought some might like it.

I'm tired of people on this forum making nonsense up just because I say things that appear to be negative. Of course whenever someone lies about something that goes against me it gets thumbed up and when i can say in truthful concioues ( owning up to my wrong predictions and maintaining my correct ones) it gets negged without an afterthought

 

its like ad hominem 

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

just found this now. Thought some might like it.

I'm tired of people on this forum making nonsense up just because I say things that appear to be negative. Of course whenever someone lies about something that goes against me it gets thumbed up and when i can say in truthful concioues ( owning up to my wrong predictions and maintaining my correct ones) it gets negged without an afterthought

 

its like ad hominem 

thanks for the share - it's an interesting chart although im not sure how useful it is for evaluation given that it's entirely based on production rather than traits etc.

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

thanks for the share - it's an interesting chart although im not sure how useful it is for evaluation given that it's entirely based on production rather than traits etc.

 

 

yeah i'm just digging some stuff up. Browsing.

 

Draft needs to come quick lol..getting real impatient 

[rossihunter2]

20 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

yeah i'm just digging some stuff up. Browsing.

 

Draft needs to come quick lol..getting real impatient 

me too lol - i have like things every 3 weeks or so to look forward to but it always feels like ages in between - i really need to get a life lol

there's only 688200 seconds to go til the draft coverage starts

that's 11470 minutes

that's only slightly more than 191 hours

the draft is less than 8 days away and im pumped

[Sami84]

21 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

me too lol - i have like things every 3 weeks or so to look forward to but it always feels like ages in between - i really need to get a life lol

there's only 688200 seconds to go til the draft coverage starts

that's 11470 minutes

that's only slightly more than 191 hours

the draft is less than 8 days away and im pumped

 

I have a few weeks off... I'll be bumming in and watching as much premier league soccer and nba playoffs as possible .

[ellicottraven]

7 hours ago, Sami84 said:

:/ looks like a bust to me..

 

Based on what exactly have you drawn that conclusion Sami84? It seems exceedingly premature to write him off this early. He is essentially a second year player that did pretty good in his rookie year. I'm not saying he's a star receiver yet or anything, but nothing he's done so far leads me to conclude so definitively he's a bust. The same notion holds true for 2 other players Correa and Kaufusi.

[RavensDieHard21]

11 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I'd probably be most upset at taking Cam Robinson with the 16th pick, but feel he will probably end up being a good pick.  I'd love for them to take Forrest Lamp though.  

I love the thought of getting lamp because he just seems like such a safe prospect with his balance and quick feet. 

However, Cam isn't as bad as people on the board like to believe he is. As a guard he could be an elite run blocker. He has rare brute strength. Even as a RT I don't think he would be bad. He has some clunky footwork at times, but when he initializes the contact and latches on, he is often very hard to get through or around in time. Watch Garrett v Robinson. 

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I love the thought of getting lamp because he just seems like such a safe prospect with his balance and quick feet. 

However, Cam isn't as bad as people on the board like to believe he is. As a guard he could be an elite run blocker. He has rare brute strength. Even as a RT I don't think he would be bad. He has some clunky footwork at times, but when he initializes the contact and latches on, he is often very hard to get through or around in time. Watch Garrett v Robinson. 

I've seen the tape vs Garrett.  My problem is that he is very inconsistent.  One week he looks great, the next week he's awful.  I agree, his best spot will most likely be guard and he'll probably be very good at it, but I don't see him as bpa at that point.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

I've seen the tape vs Garrett.  My problem is that he is very inconsistent.  One week he looks great, the next week he's awful.  I agree, his best spot will most likely be guard and he'll probably be very good at it, but I don't see him as bpa at that point.

I don't think it's consistency with cam - it's about rush styles (and a little bit of appreciation) - Garrett came at him with little more than an attempt to dominate him around the edge which cam just hightailed towards Garrett's rush lane with his kick step and got hands on at which point he used his anchor effectively

when he struggled it was against guys who challenged him in more mental ways - threatening the inside, a pass rush move etc.

this is why I think he projects better at guard than tackle because it limits the space he has to cover and he has help on both sides so won't need to overpersue or overcompensate for speed - the tighter the window the more cam's good hands and anchor come into play

it was funny to hear lance zierlein describe cam robinson as a book/bust prospect but I suppose he is

[hn68wb4]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

I have a few weeks off... I'll be bumming in and watching as much premier league soccer and nba playoffs as possible .

Don't rub it in, I've been awake for 52 straight hours doing nonstop work, I don't want to hear about you being off right now 

[jboy19]

11 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I love the thought of getting lamp because he just seems like such a safe prospect with his balance and quick feet. 

However, Cam isn't as bad as people on the board like to believe he is. As a guard he could be an elite run blocker. He has rare brute strength. Even as a RT I don't think he would be bad. He has some clunky footwork at times, but when he initializes the contact and latches on, he is often very hard to get through or around in time. Watch Garrett v Robinson. 

I'm not giving much of a look to the Garrett-Robinson matchup that game. I thought it was pretty clear that Garrett was playing contain against Hurts for most of the game.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

20 hours ago, Sami84 said:

The sad thing about this post is that you're actually incorrect but you think you're memory is telling you otherwise.

Yes sure about b.will. I've admitted to that

but i said before the draft a big butt NO to elam and Perriman. 

Prove it.

This wasnt memory... i went through your post history.

You literally did NOT type the word Perriman anywhere on this website prior to the draft. Not once.... unless it was hidden somewhere in a non-draft related thread.

Everything i said was fact. And if youre going to call me a liar or spreading "half truths"..... prove it. Your post history is cataloged. 

 

And before i get the obvious -- wow, you must really care, digging so deep into my post history.... It took 5 minutes, tops. And, if you were so adamant about not taking Perriman before the draft it should take you less than that to find the posts and prove it.

Edited April 20 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

20 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

thanks for the share - it's an interesting chart although im not sure how useful it is for evaluation given that it's entirely based on production rather than traits etc.

pretty sure its based on PFF's grades, not strictly production (in terms of sacks, tackles, etc..).