Who would you be most upset with at the 16th pick?

[ellicottraven]

Jabrill Peppers isn't listed thankfully but it would really upset me if we took him or any CB not named Lattimore in the first. I would not be horrified if we took Cam Robinson but I suspect a lot of you will be surprised because I think he'll be taken before we get our chance. Someone mentioned selecting Barnett would upset him and if that is the case, I would love so much for the Baltimore Ravens to upset him no end with selecting Barnett. Barnett would be an ideal selection imo.

[Maryland]

Cam Robinson, if drafted to be a RT, would disappoint me, considering I think Alex Lewis is a better RT than LG (so we'd essentially be addressing the hole at LG by forcing a RT to play out of position at LG). If our FO thinks Robinson can be the next KO at LG, then I'll support it. However, in either case, I'd prefer to trade down and select whoever falls between Robinson or Lamp. I certainly recognize the need for OL talent, and I have no problems with drafting OL in the first, but I don't like the value at #16 overall. 

Reuben Foster would disappoint me greatly. He's a 1-year wonder, struggled with the mental game early in his career (tells me he's a slow learner), had a beastly front line at Alabama that left him free to make plays, and plays a position with less of an impact on the game (at least compared to WR or EDGE, which we need more). Plus, it seems like we usually find good value at ILB in later rounds or UDFA, so ILB is not worth a high pick to me to begin with. I'd rather let Correa or Onwuasor try to try to pry the other starting ILB job from some veteran stop-gap (Daryl Smith is a FA... but I hope it doesn't come to that lol).

John Ross would give me pause just based on his health, small frame, and poor fit for Joe's accuracy woes, but that speed and quickness would certainly entice me. It's a pick that would both worry and excite me lol. I'd much rather Ozzie trade down and let him fall to us if we're going to draft him.

I feel like I shouldn't even have to entertain the thought of Peppers at #16, considering he's a box safety with below-average coverage skills, so it's needless to say drafting him at #16 would really hurt me to watch. He should really be a day 2 pick if you take media hype out of the equation. 

Haason Reddick reminds me too much of Correa. He's a real project, and he's too lightweight to play on the line every down. Save project players for later.

 

I'll look on the bright side, support whoever we draft, and hope they prove me wrong, but i'll be initially crestfallen if we draft one of these players.

[PurpleHorseman]

12 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

So your gonna judge his play against a senior tackle when he was a freshman!?really lol good one

So it's ok to praise his 10 sacks as a freshman. But disregard when he was dominated? Barnett fronted pro ready technique and moves as s freshman. So when he wins against very raw lineman you will highlight that in a blink when proclaiming your love for Barnett. Lineman that will learn proper technique and get  far better in the NFL. But when he is dominated it should be disregarded?

Allow me to ask. Has Barnett got any bigger, stronger, more explosive from 2 yrs ago? Has Barnett's technique and rush moves progressed all that much??! No, it hasn't!! His technique was always pro ready. He was always leaps and bounds ahead of most offensive lineman. That will not be the case in the NFL. Everybody likes to talk about him beating Cam Robinson. Although no coach in his right mind would start him at left or right tackle as a rookie.

12 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

don't waste your breathe. Kelly didn't blow up his pro day so now we're going to have to hear him push Collins non-stop, regardless f how ridiculous his praise is.

But it is fine to push Barnett?? Cuz you think he is going to be a raven. The idea wasn't to push Collins. It was to show how useless Barnett is playing an NFL ready tackle. If Collins isn't that good. What could Barnett. bring to the game to  worry good NFL tackles? Barnett doesn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive vulnerable positions. He isn't going to overpower NFL tackles. His technique and hand usage isn't going to work against coached up NFL tackles with pro level technique. Not to mention stronger arms and hands. 

[hn68wb4]

41 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

But it is fine to push Barnett?? Cuz you think he is going to be a raven. The idea wasn't to push Collins. It was to show how useless Barnett is playing an NFL ready tackle. If Collins isn't that good. What could Barnett. bring to the game to  worry good NFL tackles? Barnett doesn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive vulnerable positions. He isn't going to overpower NFL tackles. His technique and hand usage isn't going to work against coached up NFL tackles with pro level technique. Not to mention stronger arms and hands. 

"But it is fine to push Barnett?? Cuz you think he is going to be a raven." based on? last I checked I've made 4 or 5 mocks this year, not a single has had Barnett as our pick. As already shown, you comparing a freshman Barnett vs. senior Collins is beyond laughable by itself, 18 year old kid isn't ready to take on a 22 year old player with experience, who'da thunk it? Honestly if you don't understand how that is a ridiculous 1 on 1 to go with then you're beyond help. If the highlight of your love of Collins stems from shutting down an 18 year old kid in college then you've got some issues, lets look at Collins at the NFL level - injury prone and supremely inconsistent, so much so that he got benched for Leary last year; I know that doesn't mesh with your "when he was on the field he was graded as the top guard in the league" narrative, but you have yet to provide any source on that and actually watching him couldn't have led you to that conclusion because he certainly didn't play like a top guard to start last year by any measure.

"Barnett doesn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive vulnerable positions." disagree and tape says otherwise. He consistently shows plenty of burst. His get off on the snap isn't the greatest granted, but that's not the same as burst - which he has clearly on tape.

"He isn't going to overpower NFL tackles." Point being? that's not every EDGE player's game. Few rookies are able to do that regardless, NFL level strength and conditioning is a beautiful thing and Barnett has shown more than enough strength to set the edge against the run and that's all that matters early in his career. Putting together a proper bull rush is much more dependent on technique and leverage than brute strength.

"His technique and hand usage isn't going to work against coached up NFL tackles with pro level technique. Not to mention stronger arms and hands." You're literally making things up at this point, have you ever even watched him before?, technique and hand usage is what Barnett does exceptionally well.

Edited April 16 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

52 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

 

13 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

So your gonna judge his play against a senior tackle when he was a freshman!?really lol good one

lol, hold the phone, just looked it up, in Barnett's entire career Tennessee has never even faced LSU, in other words this dude just made up Collins dominating Barnett, freshman or not. Last time the two teams faced each other was 2011. Get out of here dude.

[PurpleHorseman]

33 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

"But it is fine to push Barnett?? Cuz you think he is going to be a raven." based on? last I checked I've made 4 or 5 mocks this year, not a single has had Barnett as our pick. As already shown, you comparing a freshman Barnett vs. senior Collins is beyond laughable by itself, 18 year old kid isn't ready to take on a 22 year old player with experience, who'da thunk it? Honestly if you don't understand how that is a ridiculous 1 on 1 to go with then you're beyond help. If the highlight of your love of Collins stems from shutting down an 18 year old kid in college then you've got some issues, lets look at Collins at the NFL level - injury prone and supremely inconsistent, so much so that he got benched for Leary last year; I know that doesn't mesh with your "when he was on the field he was graded as the top guard in the league" narrative, but you have yet to provide any source on that and actually watching him couldn't have led you to that conclusion because he certainly didn't play like a top guard to start last year by any measure.

"Barnett doesn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive vulnerable positions." disagree and tape says otherwise. He consistently shows plenty of burst. His get off on the snap isn't the greatest granted, but that's not the same as burst - which he has clearly on tape.

"He isn't going to overpower NFL tackles." Point being? that's not every EDGE player's game. Few rookies are able to do that regardless, NFL level strength and conditioning is a beautiful thing and Barnett has shown more than enough strength to set the edge against the run and that's all that matters early in his career. Putting together a proper bull rush is much more dependent on technique and leverage than brute strength.

"His technique and hand usage isn't going to work against coached up NFL tackles with pro level technique. Not to mention stronger arms and hands." You're literally making things up at this point, have you ever even watched him before?, technique and hand usage is what Barnett does exceptionally well.

Exceptionally well against college tackles. A players age doesn't mean jack. It is maturity. Some are 90% developed at 19 while some grow until 22. I grew to about almost 23. That is my point about overpowering NFL tackles. His technique isn't going to be light years ahead of his opponents in the NFL. Without plus power and even technique he isn't going to bullrush many NFL tackles. He was 250lbs as a freshman. It isn't like he grew much bigger. So him being dominated by Collins is very relevant.  

Now if he was a growing freshman and 230 lbs at time your argument would have credibility. Some players mature and hit their max size or near it a younger age. You are beyond help if all you consider is age when considering their matchup. And attempt to disregard it. I'll lay you out an example. Mike Tyson won heavyweight championship at 19 because he hit his body maturity faster than most do. Same with Barnett. He hit his max size or very close to it at 19 yrs old. Look at Barnett as a freshman.Is he much different?

So Collins was benched for Leary? It was an injury. If it were true that is bad news for your boy Barnett. Dominated on the edge by a guard that was benched. lol. BTW dude if he was benched at guard for Leary that is no disgrace. Leary is awesome. I wanted ravens to sign him. He will eventually be a pro bowl guard. He only can't play Tackle like Collins. I would be about as happy with Leary as Collins.

My opinion of Collins has little to do with dominating a slug like Barnett. Only reason he isn't in your mocks is because you think he is already drafted by 16.  But you are correct about one thing. I probably wouldn't trade a round1 for Collins and a 3. It would have to be A round1 for Collins and a round2. Only because of the injury thing. Enamored with Collins physical gifts and massive potential. I didn't really put enough stock in his injuries. But his potential is same.

 

[PurpleHorseman]

21 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

lol, hold the phone, just looked it up, in Barnett's entire career Tennessee has never even faced LSU, in other words this dude just made up Collins dominating Barnett, freshman or not. Last time the two teams faced each other was 2011. Get out of here dude.

If Collins only allowed 1 sack that year and it wasn't against Tennessee. Then that would mean Barnett got nothing on Collins

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

If Collins only allowed 1 sack that year and it wasn't against Tennessee. Then that would mean Barnett got nothing on Collins

Tennessee never played LSU while the two were in college. Sorry, I didn't think what I wrote was complicated.

[PurpleHorseman]

11 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Tennessee never played LSU while the two were in college. Sorry, I didn't think what I wrote was complicated.

Are you sure. I thought the 2 teams played in early December 2014?? In which case Collins only allowed 1 sack which wasn't against Tennessee. Regardless my point wasn't to prop Collins. It was about Barnett's struggles and how I think it will translate to the NFL. Like Appalachian State.

Edited April 16 by PurpleHorseman

[hn68wb4]

7 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Exceptionally well against college tackles. A players age doesn't mean jack. It is maturity. Some are 90% developed at 19 while some grow until 22. I grew to about almost 23. That is my point about overpowering NFL tackles. His technique isn't going to be light years ahead of his opponents in the NFL. Without plus power and even technique he isn't going to bullrush many NFL tackles. He was 250lbs as a freshman. It isn't like he grew much bigger. So him being dominated by Collins is very relevant.  

Now if he was a growing freshman and 230 lbs at time your argument would have credibility. Some players mature and hit their max size or near it a younger age. You are beyond help if all you consider is age when considering their matchup. And attempt to disregard it. I'll lay you out an example. Mike Tyson won heavyweight championship at 19 because he hit his body maturity faster than most do. Same with Barnett. He hit his max size or very close to it at 19 yrs old. Look at Barnett as a freshman.Is he much different?

So Collins was benched for Leary? It was an injury. If it were true that is bad news for your boy Barnett. Dominated on the edge by a guard that was benched. lol. BTW dude if he was benched at guard for Leary that is no disgrace. Leary is awesome. I wanted ravens to sign him. He will eventually be a pro bowl guard. He only can't play Tackle like Collins. I would be about as happy with Leary as Collins.

My opinion of Collins has little to do with dominating a slug like Barnett. Only reason he isn't in your mocks is because you think he is already drafted by 16.  But you are correct about one thing. I probably wouldn't trade a round1 for Collins and a 3. It would have to be A round1 for Collins and a round2. Only because of the injury thing. Enamored with Collins physical gifts and massive potential. I didn't really put enough stock in his injuries. But his potential is same.

"Exceptionally well against college tackles." As opposed to every other EDGE player in the draft, guess that means they're all busts, right?

"So him being dominated by Collins is very relevant." Actually it's entirely irrelevant because it never happened. Which pretty much makes everything you said here about the two completely meaningless, because you simply made up what you keep asserting. They've never faced each other.

"So Collin was benched for Leary? it was an injury." right, and when he was healthy he didn't re-enter the lineup. Mainly because he was absolutely terrible to start the season and the line improved while he was gone. Once he was healthy he kept his butt on the bench. And again, never dominated Barnett.

And I suppose I'll just highlight the entire last paragraph because it's garbage from start to finish. 1) They never played each other, 2) Really, gonna call Barnett a "slug?" what are you? 12. 3) Collins isn't worth a first rounder straight up, probably not even a second because he's objectively shown jack in the NFL. Constantly injured and when he's on the field he throws out a highlight reel block every once in a while, but that's about it, no consistency has ever creeped into his game.

[hn68wb4]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Are you sure. I thought the 2 teams player in early December 2014?? In which case Collins only allowed 1 sack which wasn't against Tennessee. Regardless my point wasn't to prop Collins. It was about Barnett's struggles and how I think it will translate to the NFL. Like Appalachian State.

As a fan of App State, that's an entirely irrelevant game to bring up, App St runs an option offense, we pass only a handful of times per game and when we do it's quick dump offs and stuff like that. Hardly a game that means anything about him as a pass rusher, hard to net sacks when there is no opportunity to do it anyway.

And you've been arguing in favor of Collins on this sub since your mock, you're the one that brought him up here, clearly you were just continuing to push, otherwise there would be no reason to bring him up.

[PurpleHorseman]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

"Exceptionally well against college tackles." As opposed to every other EDGE player in the draft, guess that means they're all busts, right?

"So him being dominated by Collins is very relevant." Actually it's entirely irrelevant because it never happened. Which pretty much makes everything you said here about the two completely meaningless, because you simply made up what you keep asserting. They've never faced each other.

"So Collin was benched for Leary? it was an injury." right, and when he was healthy he didn't re-enter the lineup. Mainly because he was absolutely terrible to start the season and the line improved while he was gone. Once he was healthy he kept his butt on the bench. And again, never dominated Barnett.

And I suppose I'll just highlight the entire last paragraph because it's garbage from start to finish. 1) They never played each other, 2) Really, gonna call Barnett a "slug?" what are you? 12. 3) Collins isn't worth a first rounder straight up, probably not even a second because he's objectively shown jack in the NFL. Constantly injured and when he's on the field he throws out a highlight reel block every once in a while, but that's about it, no consistency has ever creeped into his game.

Collins wasn't terrible even when playing injured. He wasn't ready to play until January. In which case he wasn't going to replace anybody playing at a pro bowl level anyways. Barnett is great in college. But I believe he will be a slug in the NFL. These same arguments went on when Upshaw showed up.

[PurpleHorseman]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

As a fan of App State, that's an entirely irrelevant game to bring up, App St runs an option offense, we pass only a handful of times per game and when we do it's quick dump offs and stuff like that. Hardly a game that means anything about him as a pass rusher, hard to net sacks when there is no opportunity to do it anyway.

And you've been arguing in favor of Collins on this sub since your mock, you're the one that brought him up here, clearly you were just continuing to push, otherwise there would be no reason to bring him up.

Nope, wasn't pushing Collins. I'm over that. I mean ravens never trade early picks for players so even if he becomes all pro what is the point of rooting for him. It won't be as a raven. It was to push my opinion of Barnett. I don't like him at all. I like Tim Williams. Somebody who has room to grow and add technique. And can jump into the backfield in a blink. Putting tackles on their heels in compromising positions.

[hn68wb4]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Collins wasn't terrible even when playing injured. He wasn't ready to play until January. In which case he wasn't going to replace anybody playing at a pro bowl level anyways. Barnett is great in college. But I believe he will be a slug in the NFL. These same arguments went on when Upshaw showed up.

Objectively entirely untrue on every point here. Collins started the season terribly, anyone that actually watched the Cowboys - as I did because by brother is a Cowboys fan - will tell you that. And no one was saying any of this about Upshaw, in fact he is the exact antithesis of every argument you've made. He was a bull rusher first and foremost without any other EDGE traits and lacked fluidity. You literally just said Barnett has no strength and all he has is technique as a pass rusher, or else he would never get home as he lacks game breaking athleticism.

[PurpleHorseman]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Objectively entirely untrue on every point here. Collins started the season terribly, anyone that actually watched the Cowboys - as I did because by brother is a Cowboys fan - will tell you that. And no one was saying any of this about Upshaw, in fact he is the exact antithesis of every argument you've made. He was a bull rusher first and foremost without any other EDGE traits and lacked fluidity. You literally just said Barnett has no strength and all he has is technique as a pass rusher, or else he would never get home as he lacks game breaking athleticism.

Not at all. I said the strength he shows will not show up in the NFL. Why are so many offended I don't like Barnett. He could be solid. But in my opinion not the feared game wrecker ravens need. And I never said his skills were the exact of Upshaws. It is however reminiscent of the epic arguments over his game transferring to the NFL.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Collins wasn't terrible even when playing injured. He wasn't ready to play until January. In which case he wasn't going to replace anybody playing at a pro bowl level anyways. Barnett is great in college. But I believe he will be a slug in the NFL. These same arguments went on when Upshaw showed up.

Upshaw to Barnett is the laziest comparison one could make, and it's only a comparison that goofy ravens fans make because one has no burst whatsoever and the other kinda lacks it and it's the only comp they can think of to fit their narrative

If you can't see the very obvious differences between these 2 on tape then I got news for ya...

Edited April 16 by JoeyFlex5

[Sami84]

38 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Upshaw to Barnett is the laziest comparison one could make, and it's only a comparison that goofy ravens fans make because one has no burst whatsoever and the other kinda lacks it and it's the only comp they can think of to fit their narrative

If you can't see the very obvious differences between these 2 on tape then I got news for ya...

 

ridiculous to compare upshaw to barnett. Barnett has the best and most violent hands of all the pass rushers including myles garrett. Also the best timing off the snap in the draft

[rossihunter2]

10 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Is this becuz he's not a fit for the Ravens or is he not worthy of being a 1st rd pick for a 4-3 team also?

both - i think he's not a great fit because he's probably either a 5tech or a edge guy when we use 4 man fronts (which is a lot of the time to be fair) - more importantly though he's not as explosive as he needs to be, has horrible technique, is incredibly raw, he doesn't bend particularly well and he isnt great against the run - he's an entirely developmental prospect which is not what any teams should want in round 1 - taco's very much a poor man's takk mckinley yet he is often mocked ahead of him - when i see draft experts talk about taco in glowing terms it just sounds like they are describing takk not taco...

[ALI624]

I'm really upset that the draft isn't for another 11 days. Can't they have it tomorrow, pretty please?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Collins wasn't terrible even when playing injured. He wasn't ready to play until January. In which case he wasn't going to replace anybody playing at a pro bowl level anyways. Barnett is great in college. But I believe he will be a slug in the NFL. These same arguments went on when Upshaw showed up.

Upshaw and Barnett are not even mildly comparable prospects. Get outta here with this crap man. 

 

Youve beencaught apinning false false narratives time and again. Just get to it -- say I have an irrational dislike for Barnett. No rhyme or reason or justification... but nothing's going to change it and I know that. So let it be. 

 

That would be more acceptable and respectable than what you've been doing. 

[52520Andrew]

Cam would have me upset, most others I could at least tolerate after a while. I think if we took Peppers the FO would have some sort of role planned for him.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

ridiculous to compare upshaw to barnett. Barnett has the best and most violent hands of all the pass rushers including myles garrett. Also the best timing off the snap in the draft

Not to mention his bend that is just not human like. His balance when he drops that shoulder and shortens those wide turns into the pocket are unreal, it may be the best bend I've ever seen from a college prospect, and best I've seen since Demarcus ware. 

His burst is ten times what upshaws was, he has an insane bend which upshaw has none of, his hands coming out are better than upshaws in year 4, his inside rush actually involves a setup and disengage, all upshaw did was bullrush, and he isn't the most explosive but he does have an extra gear to take advantage of the slightest opening which he does very consistently. 

How anyone could dislike Barnett is beyond me, I understand some want an athletic freak edge rusher, but bending and disengaging are hands down the most important aspects of pass rushing and Barnett crushes everyone in those categories.

[jboy19]

23 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not to mention his bend that is just not human like. His balance when he drops that shoulder and shortens those wide turns into the pocket are unreal, it may be the best bend I've ever seen from a college prospect, and best I've seen since Demarcus ware. 

His burst is ten times what upshaws was, he has an insane bend which upshaw has none of, his hands coming out are better than upshaws in year 4, his inside rush actually involves a setup and disengage, all upshaw did was bullrush, and he isn't the most explosive but he does have an extra gear to take advantage of the slightest opening which he does very consistently. 

How anyone could dislike Barnett is beyond me, I understand some want an athletic freak edge rusher, but bending and disengaging are hands down the most important aspects of pass rushing and Barnett crushes everyone in those categories.

I think people want to grab athletic freaks as edge rushers. There's a million analysts out there extremely focused on quantifying athleticism (for edge players specifically). Guys like Khalil Mack and Von Miller really set that precedent. 

The Ravens have never really seemed to be extremely concerned with picking up edge rushers with extreme athleticism. The guys they've drafted that most fall into that category- Kindle and Correa- haven't really blown up. It definitely seems like they value strength and technique over raw athleticism, which brings in guys like Suggs, McPhee, Upshaw, ZDS, Judon, more often than the Correa, Kindle types. Barnett definitely fits the mold of what the Ravens seem to look for in an edge player with his elite technique, so he's definitely in the top 5 players I could see the Ravens taking. 

[Ravenskid52752]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not to mention his bend that is just not human like. His balance when he drops that shoulder and shortens those wide turns into the pocket are unreal, it may be the best bend I've ever seen from a college prospect, and best I've seen since Demarcus ware. 

His burst is ten times what upshaws was, he has an insane bend which upshaw has none of, his hands coming out are better than upshaws in year 4, his inside rush actually involves a setup and disengage, all upshaw did was bullrush, and he isn't the most explosive but he does have an extra gear to take advantage of the slightest opening which he does very consistently. 

How anyone could dislike Barnett is beyond me, I understand some want an athletic freak edge rusher, but bending and disengaging are hands down the most important aspects of pass rushing and Barnett crushes everyone in those categories.

I think he could have a rookie year like Bosa did last year I truly believe that. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'll bite. 

 

I'll straight up call for Ozzie to be fired if we draft McDowell, especially with the flat earth stuff. Not impressed with him at all. But I honestly don't think we go dline early in spite of the worst trade we've ever made. My paitence is wearing thin with Ozzie because frankly, the Jernigan deal was THAT bad, but drafting McDowell would be the icing on the cake. He was not impressive imo.

 

Cam Robinson as a RT would piss me off a lot. But if we put him at guard I won't complain as much I do think it's unlikely we draft him though due to the character concerns, though it does worry me that he's an Alabama player as Ozzie might be more leinient with that.

 

I don't hate Peppers, but given how much we've invested at the safety position I'd be pretty upset with the pick. Though this is unlikely given that we have invested so much at the safety position.

 

I like John Ross, just not at 16. I don't think he's as good of a fit as Williams or Davis and the injuries concern me quite a bit. 

 

Basically any olinemen not named Ramcyzk or Lamp would make me angry. 

 

Dalvin Cook is a future stud in my eyes but with the off the field issues I personally don't want him. I'm a dog lover. Screw that guy. 

 

There's not much in this draft I hate tbh. The QBs, oline, and dline leave a lot to be desired but otherwise. Not too much

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'll bite. 

 

I'll straight up call for Ozzie to be fired if we draft McDowell, especially with the flat earth stuff. Not impressed with him at all. But I honestly don't think we go dline early in spite of the worst trade we've ever made. My paitence is wearing thin with Ozzie because frankly, the Jernigan deal was THAT bad, but drafting McDowell would be the icing on the cake. He was not impressive imo.

 

Cam Robinson as a RT would piss me off a lot. But if we put him at guard I won't complain as much I do think it's unlikely we draft him though due to the character concerns, though it does worry me that he's an Alabama player as Ozzie might be more leinient with that.

 

I don't hate Peppers, but given how much we've invested at the safety position I'd be pretty upset with the pick. Though this is unlikely given that we have invested so much at the safety position.

 

I like John Ross, just not at 16. I don't think he's as good of a fit as Williams or Davis and the injuries concern me quite a bit. 

 

Basically any olinemen not named Ramcyzk or Lamp would make me angry. 

 

Dalvin Cook is a future stud in my eyes but with the off the field issues I personally don't want him. I'm a dog lover. Screw that guy. 

 

There's not much in this draft I hate tbh. The QBs, oline, and dline leave a lot to be desired but otherwise. Not too much

I don't mind him believing in aliens lol but the idea that he believes in flat earth and aliens as well is ridiculous - surely they cancel each other out... you can't seriously believe in both surely?

[Sami84]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'll bite. 

 

I'll straight up call for Ozzie to be fired if we draft McDowell, especially with the flat earth stuff. Not impressed with him at all. But I honestly don't think we go dline early in spite of the worst trade we've ever made. My paitence is wearing thin with Ozzie because frankly, the Jernigan deal was THAT bad, but drafting McDowell would be the icing on the cake. He was not impressive imo.

 

Cam Robinson as a RT would piss me off a lot. But if we put him at guard I won't complain as much I do think it's unlikely we draft him though due to the character concerns, though it does worry me that he's an Alabama player as Ozzie might be more leinient with that.

 

I don't hate Peppers, but given how much we've invested at the safety position I'd be pretty upset with the pick. Though this is unlikely given that we have invested so much at the safety position.

 

I like John Ross, just not at 16. I don't think he's as good of a fit as Williams or Davis and the injuries concern me quite a bit. 

 

Basically any olinemen not named Ramcyzk or Lamp would make me angry. 

 

Dalvin Cook is a future stud in my eyes but with the off the field issues I personally don't want him. I'm a dog lover. Screw that guy. 

 

There's not much in this draft I hate tbh. The QBs, oline, and dline leave a lot to be desired but otherwise. Not too much

 

 

 

 

I don't know whats worse. Flat earth, or believing that voting or democracy actually changes anything and that government along with its trivial federal reserve concept along with taxes is actually moral and anything more than a pseudo-capitalistic concept.

 

most of the humanity is stupid. Heck, people still don't know what the word anarchy means. People think anarchy means chaos when statism is actually that flawed/incorrect definition of anarchy. People are zombies and while I don't believe in flat earth I sure as hell don't believe in nationalism or patriotism as anything more than mind control zombification.

 

So before you question other people look at what you believe in and start questioning that and why nothing changes? its simple really, your being managed, managed into cycles and you think you're thinking for yourself when really, you aint..

 

for me, people who vote and believe in government are the dumbest people in the world.

Edited April 18 by Sami84

[Sami84]

back to football

 

I've been watching more film and I must ask anyone

 

how the bleep does taco charlton warrant a first round grade? 

 

[Ravenskid52752]

7 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

back to football

 

I've been watching more film and I must ask anyone

 

how the bleep does taco charlton warrant a first round grade? 

 

Because he goes to Michigan lol

Edited April 18 by Ravenskid52752

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Because he goes to Michigan lol

seems like if you play for michigan or alabama you're given an automatic round upgrade.

 

Taco Chartlon is a late 2nd round pick just based on what he has to offer.