Who would you be most upset with at the 16th pick?

[Sami84]

16 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

There are a ton of great players but we need to address where the most value is. The guys that might slip that I'd be extremely excited to draft would be: 

Barnett, Foster, M. Williams and Corey Davis. 

Realistically who will be there that still has good value even without a trade back: 

Forrest Lamp, Reddick, Cam Robinson(G), Gareon Conley, John Ross. 

Then there are the guys that look good, but would make me scratch my head because they have major question marks with development, injuries, or scheme fits--some might think Ross fits in here and I do agree, but I have a guy feeling that Ross turns into an electric talent:

Taco, Takk McKinley, Malik McDowell, Jabrill Peppers (16) 

 

Lamp would be an unsexy pick but i wouldnt hate it. This would be like fredrick or zach martin.

I think he's the only ELITE linesman in this draft. PRO BOWL ALL PRO etc

[ravefan52]

Peppers or a CB not named Marshon. Even though I really like Conley and White in particular, I also like what there is at the position and we need to address something other than DB. I think the 3rd or 4th round, possibly 2nd is the time to grab a CB.

Peppers imo, other than his return and offensive abilty, doesn't provide the team with anything it doesn't already have for the next 4 years.

Edited April 15 by ravefan52

[Davesta]

If it's not one of the big 3 (Corey Davis, mike will, Derek barnett), I think I'm going to be disappointed regardless of who it is. 

But Tim Williams and peppers the most. 

[Sami84]

38 minutes ago, Davesta said:

If it's not one of the big 3 (Corey Davis, mike will, Derek barnett), I think I'm going to be disappointed regardless of who it is. 

But Tim Williams and peppers the most. 

 

I'd be happy with reddick. Might need to put on 10 pounds but probably the most explosive player in the draft along with jordan willis

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Lamp would be an unsexy pick but i wouldnt hate it. This would be like fredrick or zach martin.

I think he's the only ELITE linesman in this draft. PRO BOWL ALL PRO etc

Agreed! Lamp is a great talent. His game v Alabama said it all. He shut down Allen, Williams and Anderson. They started targeting the right side by the second half.

[Boddiebroadus]

6 hours ago, Willbacker said:

 I can buy your argument bout whether he's a good standup player but its absolutely not fair to say Taco cant get off of blocks. He'd be a great pickup for a 4-3 team like the Lions. You want a player that cant get off blocks take a close look at Charles Harris. Good initial move but then gets stonewalled if it doesn't work and is horrible at setting the edge. Harris is my upset pick at 16 or even 47,74 or 78.

https://youtu.be/k9ZoN63ekR0

Why the hate for Harris?  Whil he's not great in the run game when he just pins his ears back and rushes the QB he's for sure one of the best. He has a great first step and decent bend and hand fighting skill, but his spin move is amazing.  

 

Behind Garrett and Barnett I'd say he's the third bust pure pass rusher. 

 

 

[ravensnation5220]

Dalvin Cook. It think itd be a waste of a pick and id be really disapointed in the organization considering hjs off field concerns. Especially the dog incident

[Ravenskid52752]

Man I have this feeling the ravens gonna take Cam Robinson at 16 and have him compete at left guard and right tackle.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Man I have this feeling the ravens gonna take Cam Robinson at 16 and have him compete at left guard and right tackle.

if that does happen you can  say without question that our FO sucks at drafting.

No reason to pick robinson over forrest lamp. Would be sheer stupidty actually and yes, I will state I have a better eye for talent than ozzie and co if this does in truth happen. Much like with Elam and Perriman whom i detested, I've started to realize that ozzie and de costa have a very flawed eye for talent and i feel they just compile picks so they hope to get lucky..

[Adreme]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

if that does happen you can  say without question that our FO sucks at drafting.

No reason to pick robinson over forrest lamp. Would be sheer stupidty actually and yes, I will state I have a better eye for talent than ozzie and co if this does in truth happen. Much like with Elam and Perriman whom i detested, I've started to realize that ozzie and de costa have a very flawed eye for talent and i feel they just compile picks so they hope to get lucky..

It's easy to state that on draft night (like everyone bashing the Stanley pick on these forums did) but,a year or two from now will you own the result if you are wrong.

[Sami84]

Just now, Adreme said:

It's easy to state that on draft night (like everyone bashing the Stanley pick on these forums did) but,a year or two from now will you own the result if you are wrong.

 

if you go back you'll see i actually loved the stanley pick same with CJ mosely.

and i said before both drafts that i didnt want elam or perriman.

[ravensnation5220]

22 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Man I have this feeling the ravens gonna take Cam Robinson at 16 and have him compete at left guard and right tackle.

 

19 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

if that does happen you can  say without question that our FO sucks at drafting.

No reason to pick robinson over forrest lamp. Would be sheer stupidty actually and yes, I will state I have a better eye for talent than ozzie and co if this does in truth happen. Much like with Elam and Perriman whom i detested, I've started to realize that ozzie and de costa have a very flawed eye for talent and i feel they just compile picks so they hope to get lucky..

I dont understand why this is such a bad thing. The game is won in the trenches. Yes lamp might be better as a gaurd but i honestly think cam can play tackle. If the ravens thinks so too i will support their decision. They have more film and imside info than anyone of us here

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

I dont understand why this is such a bad thing. The game is won in the trenches. Yes lamp might be better as a gaurd but i honestly think cam can play tackle. If the ravens thinks so too i will support their decision. They have more film and imside info than anyone of us here

 

Cam Robinson is basically michael oher and not quite as good ( for a tackle) if you feel that warrants a first round pick...

 

sorry no..

[Ravenskid52752]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

I dont understand why this is such a bad thing. The game is won in the trenches. Yes lamp might be better as a gaurd but i honestly think cam can play tackle. If the ravens thinks so too i will support their decision. They have more film and imside info than anyone of us here

Not saying it's a bad thing just were talking about all these players we want and ravens are just gonna take Robinson which I wouldn't mind just would like to see else is on the broad I'd they do that 

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Cam Robinson is basically michael oher and not quite as good ( for a tackle) if you feel that warrants a first round pick...

 

sorry no..

Lol michael oher helped us win a super bowl. And cam doesnt have that false start problem. Cam started at LT for Bama since his freshman year. Yes he is a first rounder

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Not saying it's a bad thing just were talking about all these players we want and ravens are just gonna take Robinson which I wouldn't mind just would like to see else is on the broad I'd they do that 

No i agree. Id probably rather us go pass rusher but i wouldnt be against cam as much as others are here. Some think hes a bust no matter what. I dont see that

[RaineV1]

I think I'd have to say Cam Robinson. Not because I think he'll be bad, but if we wanted an interior lineman we could get a lot more value by trading back and grabbing Feeney or Lamp.

Also, Peppers. I just don't see him as some big play maker. He might develop over time, but I don't think he's an instant impact guy.

[Ravenskid52752]

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

No i agree. Id probably rather us go pass rusher but i wouldnt be against cam as much as others are here. Some think hes a bust no matter what. I dont see that

Yeah that's just ridiculous for a bust label already before he does anything in the league. Hey DJ fluker went 11 overall and I definitely think Cam is better than him 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Why the hate for Harris?  Whil he's not great in the run game when he just pins his ears back and rushes the QB he's for sure one of the best. He has a great first step and decent bend and hand fighting skill, but his spin move is amazing.  

 

Behind Garrett and Barnett I'd say he's the third bust pure pass rusher. 

 

 

Stiff, kinda low effort, horrible engagement and disengagement. He's a straight line rusher and if the tackle doesn't have to overcommit to one side then he's basically rendered useless 

wouldn't take him til the second. He reminds me a lot of ZDS

[Adreme]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

if you go back you'll see i actually loved the stanley pick same with CJ mosely.

and i said before both drafts that i didnt want elam or perriman.

You are still WAY too soon to judge Perriman but we will know after this year.

As for the question, if they get Barnett I am ecstatic and everything else I am pretty meh on not because they are not worth the pick but because there are so many players worth the pick that I won't really mind most of them 

[trevorsteadman]

I would be upset with Takk McKinley I really think he is a 2nd round guy. I would also be upset with Cam Robinson. He has been bullied a lot. I don't think his talent warrants the #16 pick.

[raven94]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

I dont understand why this is such a bad thing. The game is won in the trenches. Yes lamp might be better as a gaurd but i honestly think cam can play tackle. If the ravens thinks so too i will support their decision. They have more film and imside info than anyone of us here

I'm very much with you on this. I understand the hate people have for Robinson as a tackle, but I'm very much aware of the potential and the immediate product that is Cam as a rookie actually isn't that bad. At guard I think he's better than lamp simply because he generates more push, power, aggressiveness, and has a mean streak. He will work fantastically as a pass protector at guard because his trouble in pass protection is getting depth on his kick slide and then also the occasional lunging forward with his punch, which will both be neutralized at the gaurd position for a couple of reasons. 

As a Tackle I think he'll be just fine in his rookie year because he won't face the speedy finesse rushers. We've got Pitt twice (Harrison, Dupree), Cincy twice (Dunlap, whoever) Cle twice (Ogbah, Garret) NFC north (Ansah, Griffin, Flloyd, maybe Matthews) and the AFC south (Watt, TEN rushers, Fowler, IND rushers) along with OAK (Mack, Irvin) and MIA (nobody). I think of these rushers Matthews, Watt, and Irvin would give Cam trouble at tackle and that's it. So I'm ok with Cam at tackle this first year.

 

After all if that I would say that I don't want Cam at 16 because I think that's too soon, but I would love him in a trade back

[rossihunter2]

Taco charlton is the pick I wouldn't be able to get behind - as much as I would dislike a forest lamp or john Ross or marlon Humphrey, I could talk myself into them

that is simply not the case for taco - i'd really struggle not to despise that pick

[Sami84]

as the draft gets closer im prepared to be disappointed by oz and co. They generally havent drafted who i have liked over the past 8 years or so. I don't forsee that changing

if we again fail to make the playoffs its time to say goodbye to ozzie and decosta as well as harbaugh

[Willbacker]

3 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Why the hate for Harris?  Whil he's not great in the run game when he just pins his ears back and rushes the QB he's for sure one of the best. He has a great first step and decent bend and hand fighting skill, but his spin move is amazing.  

 

Behind Garrett and Barnett I'd say he's the third bust pure pass rusher. 

 

 

This tape shows it if he doesn't get by with his initial move he's done.

[JoeyFlex5]

I've made peace with us taking taco and him being a total bust. 

I think it's inevitable

[Willbacker]

40 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Taco charlton is the pick I wouldn't be able to get behind - as much as I would dislike a forest lamp or john Ross or marlon Humphrey, I could talk myself into them

that is simply not the case for taco - i'd really struggle not to despise that pick

Is this becuz he's not a fit for the Ravens or is he not worthy of being a 1st rd pick for a 4-3 team also?

[Willbacker]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've made peace with us taking taco and him being a total bust. 

I think it's inevitable

That's sad.

[ravensnation5220]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've made peace with us taking taco and him being a total bust. 

I think it's inevitable

I dont think its certain he'll be a bust. It all depends on the team he goes to. I just think hes better suited for a 4-3. Here hed be a 5tech 

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

I dont think its certain he'll be a bust. It all depends on the team he goes to. I just think hes better suited for a 4-3. Here hed be a 5tech 

I just feel he's got sooo much developing to do and his athleticism is not even close to being as impressive as your typical athletic and raw edge rusher. 

I don't see a first rounder in him at all regardless of scheme. And at this point I've sort of learned to disregard OLB or DE differences, we run so much 43 there's really no need for it