Merged Miscellaneous Flacco Threads

[blackngolddigger]

[quote name='Black&Purple' post='140252' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:19 AM']The bottom line is, and I said it numerous times leading up to this game, is that you cannot change the formula now all of the sudden on how we have won. You can't say okay, we run the ball a lot and throw the ball 17-24 times, then come out swinging 3 times throwing to try and switch it up. Throwing 30 times was not our formula for success, and I think that was in part why we lost.[/quote]
When your quarterback and team is ready to make their SB run, sure you can.

That's the exact formula we used to win it all in the 2005 playoffs. Ben had 2 full seasons under his belt and the Bengals, Colts, and Broncos were beaten by our passing game in the first half. Then we used the run to ice the games in the second half.

Flacco may be ready for a similar run in his second season next year. I hope not , but we'll see.

As long as your defense remains solid, Flacco doesn't need to be a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady. He appears to have all the physical tools necessary to get you where you want to be. And more important, he seems to have his head on straight.

[Guest 410finest]

In all defence of Flac playing like a rookie... duhhhhhhhhhhhh.. He is a rookie. He played great. He made a couple of key mistake but look at the sitution the line and the Wr's put him in. Flac made the same mistakes that Vet players do when you got no outstanding wide outs to throw it to, You try to make something out of nothing. Point i am making, Flac had lilttle to work with, We need some Wr's, some play makers. I looked at some of the passes throw and should have been caught and wasn't. I seeing receivers all all the leauge making outstanding plays all the time. We have an average WR core.

Fact is.. Bring back everyone on our defence, bring in some OL help and atleast one outstanding Wr as our main go to guy, a playmaker.

[NorthShoreChicago]

Well, I am thankfully that Flacco got in there.. By accident, fate, or divine intervention, the fact is...

We wouldn't be talking about the AFC Championship game if Boller was in there. Ravens wouldn't have made it to the playoffs.

Flacco re-energized the Ravens. Mad props to Flacco. I look forward to next season.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='#1falconfan' post='139848' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:54 AM']Like I said before he had to do things that he hasn't had to do all postseason and that is try to win the game for his team and not manage it.[/quote]
Use your brain for once and stop trying so hard to kiss Matt Ryan's butt. Our offense is not set up to turn around games or to WIN games. Not yet. We have 2 midget receivers, that's it. You don't win anything with those receivers. No depth whatsoever. No running game. No pass protection. Now you tell me something about turning around a game when you're down 2 scores against the best defense in football. Keep in mind, Joe got us back in the game, he was responsible for the 2 touchdowns.

After watching Matt Ryan struggle for almost the entire 2nd half of the season and especially the playoffs you really have no room to talk or criticize anybody. Put him back in the fridge, he's not quite "Matty Ice" yet.

[Black&Purple]

[quote name='blackngolddigger' post='140414' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:33 AM']When your quarterback and team is ready to make their SB run, sure you can.

That's the exact formula we used to win it all in the 2005 playoffs. Ben had 2 full seasons under his belt and the Bengals, Colts, and Broncos were beaten by our passing game in the first half. Then we used the run to ice the games in the second half.

Flacco may be ready for a similar run in his second season next year. I hope not , but we'll see.

As long as your defense remains solid, Flacco doesn't need to be a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady. He appears to have all the physical tools necessary to get you where you want to be. And more important, he seems to have his head on straight.[/quote]

I know in the future it's possible, who knows we may have better receivers. I was talking about now, not next season.

[Ed_Reed20]

Flacco made some poor throws but it's not like the his receivers helped him out much. Mason is the only receiver that consistently gets open and I think Pittsburgh covered him well. Clayton is a good player but he has trouble getting open. Heap has been slow off the line all year. I counted at least four times where Flacco threw the ball on target and his receivers simply dropped the ball.

[Ed_Reed20]

Honestly, we won't see how good Flacco is until the team brings in a #1 receiver. No disrespect to Mason but he runs excellent, knows how to find soft spots in zones and has good hands. However, he doesn't command double teams, he's small and isn't very fast.

[PIG 20]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' post='140643' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:32 PM']Honestly, we won't see how good Flacco is until the team brings in a #1 receiver. No disrespect to Mason but he runs excellent, knows how to find soft spots in zones and has good hands. However, he doesn't command double teams, he's small and isn't very fast.[/quote]

We need a big time "down field" wideout for that big arm. We can't just sit there and prey on the weak teams and struggle against the top. We need a guy that can command respect from a defensive secondary. Right now, we really don't have that.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140466' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:58 AM']Use your brain for once and stop trying so hard to kiss Matt Ryan's butt. Our offense is not set up to turn around games or to WIN games. Not yet. We have 2 midget receivers, that's it. You don't win anything with those receivers. No depth whatsoever. No running game. No pass protection. Now you tell me something about turning around a game when you're down 2 scores against the best defense in football. Keep in mind, Joe got us back in the game, he was responsible for the 2 touchdowns.

After watching Matt Ryan struggle for almost the entire 2nd half of the season and especially the playoffs you really have no room to talk or criticize anybody. Put him back in the fridge, he's not quite "Matty Ice" yet.[/quote]
dang dude calm down..... the falcon fan dude is cool aight

[PIG 20]

[quote name='codizzle' post='140704' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:13 PM']dang dude calm down..... the falcon fan dude is cool aight[/quote]

He is right though. He may be cool but all he does is try to make it sound like Joe has to do so much more than Matt Ryan to make it in the NFL.

Please, give us a Roddy White and I promise you that a larger percent of those long bombs that Joe throws turn into TD's.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='140466' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:58 AM']Use your brain for once and stop trying so hard to kiss Matt Ryan's butt. Our offense is not set up to turn around games or to WIN games. Not yet. We have 2 midget receivers, that's it. You don't win anything with those receivers. No depth whatsoever. No running game. No pass protection. Now you tell me something about turning around a game when you're down 2 scores against the best defense in football. Keep in mind, Joe got us back in the game, he was responsible for the 2 touchdowns.

After watching Matt Ryan struggle for almost the entire 2nd half of the season and especially the playoffs you really have no room to talk or criticize anybody. Put him back in the fridge, he's not quite "Matty Ice" yet.[/quote]
How about you use yours, and if you think you don't have a running game you are crazy, and you had good pass protection, and if you want to be honest he didn't get you back in the game. Yeah Matt struggled in the second half Matt tries to force the ball to roddy, he theows across his body too much, he needs to improve his deep throw, but at least I am not being a blind homer like you. I am just being honest, and stop with your Ryan hate. I have never said anything bad about Flacco so stop trying to make it look like I am bashing Flacco.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='PIG 20' post='140714' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:19 PM']He is right though. He may be cool but all he does is try to make it sound like Joe has to do so much more than Matt Ryan to make it in the NFL.

Please, give us a Roddy White and I promise you that a larger percent of those long bombs that Joe throws turn into TD's.[/quote]
Naw I have a lot of respect for Flacco, and I don't bash him. Even when I don't mention Flacco or Ryan people try to bring up the debate.

[Bobby]

[quote name='NorthShoreChicago' post='140421' date='Jan 19 2009, 10:38 AM']Well, I am thankfully that Flacco got in there.. By accident, fate, or divine intervention, the fact is...

We wouldn't be talking about the AFC Championship game if Boller was in there. Ravens wouldn't have made it to the playoffs.

Flacco re-energized the Ravens. Mad props to Flacco. I look forward to next season.[/quote]


AMEN - Mad props to Joe!

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='afcnorthsteelersravens' post='139839' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:46 AM']the same way big ben di vs the pats. you guys better be excited for the future. that kid has shown a lot of poise. he got you to the afccg and thats further than anyone thought you'd go. big ups[/quote]
You cant expect him to do much, he is playing away in the biggest game in the HISTORY of his career, and the Steelers defense is nothing less then spectacular.

Flacco can only improve from here!

[canshepick]

[color="#800080"][size=4][font="Comic Sans MS"]He is cool when playing, has one hell of an arm, speaks well when questioned by the media, and is a team player. No matter how he played, he is a great guy, a great player, and should be respected for what he did do. [/font][/size][color="#800080"][/color][/color]

[BmoreLAT52]

[quote name='Black&Purple' post='140252' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:19 AM']He made some mistakes, sure, but the first 5 passes or so that were not caught were on point and would have been huge had they been caught. The bottom line is, and I said it numerous times leading up to this game, is that you cannot change the formula now all of the sudden on how we have won. You can't say okay, we run the ball a lot and throw the ball 17-24 times, then come out swinging 3 times throwing to try and switch it up. Throwing 30 times was not our formula for success, and I think that was in part why we lost.[/quote]

I agree, sure we could take some shots but not waste the whole series on missed throws. we shouldve came out imposing our will on their d line, and then take shots once we got started

[Bullrush]

[quote name='codizzle' post='140704' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:13 PM']dang dude calm down..... the falcon fan dude is cool aight[/quote]
Obviously he's not. If you're cool with his "Flacco is just a game manager, he can't win games" statements then good for you, but i'm getting tired of it.

[FlaccoFan83]

Flacco had an awful game, I won't shy from that, but the #1 defense in the league can make a lot of good QBs look bad: Romo had a 44.9 rating, Cassel a 39.4 rating, Rivers a 44.4 rating (first time), Campbell a 49.2 rating. When we can't run the ball, Joe's receivers are covered and you've got Troy lurking downfield and Woodley and Harrison breathing down your neck, it spells disaster. Joe is [i]still[/i] the only [u]rookie[/u] NFL QB to win two playoff games. GO RAVENS!

(Rookie QB, damn, and I'm a copy editor for a living?!)

[Bullrush]

[quote name='#1falconfan' post='140853' date='Jan 19 2009, 02:14 PM']How about you use yours, and if you think you don't have a running game you are crazy, and you had good pass protection, and if you want to be honest he didn't get you back in the game. Yeah Matt struggled in the second half Matt tries to force the ball to roddy, he theows across his body too much, he needs to improve his deep throw, but at least I am not being a blind homer like you. I am just being honest, and stop with your Ryan hate. I have never said anything bad about Flacco so stop trying to make it look like I am bashing Flacco.[/quote]
We have a running game? When did that happen? Just because we're in the top 10 when it comes to total rushing yards? That doesn't mean anything. We're averaging barely over 3 yards per carry. The only reason we're up there is because of our defense. We don't have to throw the ball a lot. So even when we don't have a running game we continue to run the ball because our defense doesn't give up a lot of points. You guys have a running game. The Vikings have a running game. We don't. And yes, if you say "Flacco is a game manager, he can't win any games" then that's what i consider bashing Flacco. God knows how good he would look in your offense with an MVP RB, a good O-Line and some great receivers. It doesn't matter how good or how bad your defense is, it doesn't affect the offense or your passing game. If that were the case then Roethlisberger would be the best QB in football because of how good their D# is. He's clearly not. If that were the case then Drew Brees would be the worst QB in football because of how bad NO's defense is. Yet he's easily the best QB in football right now. How's that possible? He doesn't get support from his defense.

[#1falconfan]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='141014' date='Jan 19 2009, 03:20 PM']We have a running game? When did that happen? Just because we're in the top 10 when it comes to total rushing yards? That doesn't mean anything. We're averaging barely over 3 yards per carry. The only reason we're up there is because of our defense. We don't have to throw the ball a lot. So even when we don't have a running game we continue to run the ball because our defense doesn't give up a lot of points. You guys have a running game. The Vikings have a running game. We don't. And yes, if you say "Flacco is a game manager, he can't win any games" then that's what i consider bashing Flacco. God knows how good he would look in your offense with an MVP RB, a good O-Line and some great receivers. It doesn't matter how good or how bad your defense is, it doesn't affect the offense or your passing game. If that were the case then Roethlisberger would be the best QB in football because of how good their D# is. He's clearly not. If that were the case then Drew Brees would be the worst QB in football because of how bad NO's defense is. Yet he's easily the best QB in football right now. How's that possible? He doesn't get support from his defense.[/quote]
Just because you dont average a lot per carry doesn't mean that you don't have a good run game. Our O line is not that great they run block well, but the reason we gave up less than 20 sacks is because Ryan is getting the ball out of his hand. If you don't think that not having a good defense doesn't matter then you are crazy. Your offense just has to manage the game when your defense is as good as yours, and I never said that Flacco cannot go win a game, but he is just managing the game. IDC if you believe that I am bashing flacco because I think that he has done a good job, and that he has a bright future.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='the_faceman' post='140139' date='Jan 19 2009, 05:17 AM']'he got you to the afccg and thats further than anyone thought you'd go. big ups '

No, he didn't. The defense and the running game got us that far, he just didn't turn the ball over. He didn't do anything to win those games. Stop giving him that much credit.[/quote]

Didn't do anything to win those games?? Who else makes the key throws on 3rd and long to mason and clayton to help keep drives alive?? Titans scored on the Ravens and Flacco tied the game with a deep ball to Mason. Week 4 vs Steelers Flacco drives down the field to put the game into overtime, If you watch Flacco all year you see him make plays to keep drives alive its not his fault we have a 35yr old #1 WR.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='FlaccoFan83' post='140987' date='Jan 19 2009, 03:07 PM']Flacco had an awful game, I won't shy from that, but the #1 defense in the league can make a lot of good QBs look bad: Romo had a 44.9 rating, Cassel a 39.4 rating, Rivers a 44.4 rating (first time), Campbell a 49.2 rating. When we can't run the ball, Joe's receivers are covered and you've got Troy lurking downfield and Woodley and Harrison breathing down your neck, it spells disaster. Joe is [i]still[/i] the only NFL QB to win two playoff games. GO RAVENS![/quote]

Exactly, Matt Ryan had 2 INTS and a fumble against a#18 D. Flacco faced the #15, #7 and #1 ranked defenses and did not turn the ball over till the last game.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='NorthShoreChicago' post='140294' date='Jan 19 2009, 09:43 AM']Flacco IS a rookie, no matter on how he "looks" for certain games.. But I will tell you something.. Joe Flacco WILL be the headlining star of the Ravens after this year.. Its about time the Ravens found what they found (by accident) in Joe Flacco. There hasn't been a stable QB in years, and Flacco will become a staple in Baltimore now.
The Joe Cool shirts, and merch is coming...

What a way to prove himself. He played with the big boys, and come next year, no one will be saying anything other than here comes a star.[/quote]

...

Do you pay attention to the team outside of the playoffs? The Flacco find was no accident.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='rlh445' post='139851' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:55 AM']Meh, I actually think the O-Line held their own tonight.

[RedFire]

joe flacco's head clock is better than big-ben who doesn't have one.
i don't see what the problem is with flacco.....

[FlaccoFan83]

It also occurred to me that next season Joe can have his first name back; he won't be Rookie Joe Flacco

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='the_faceman' post='140139' date='Jan 19 2009, 05:17 AM']'he got you to the afccg and thats further than anyone thought you'd go. big ups '

No, he didn't. The defense and the running game got us that far, he just didn't turn the ball over. He didn't do anything to win those games. Stop giving him that much credit.[/quote]

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='the_faceman' post='140139' date='Jan 19 2009, 05:17 AM']'he got you to the afccg and thats further than anyone thought you'd go. big ups '

No, he didn't. The defense and the running game got us that far, he just didn't turn the ball over. He didn't do anything to win those games. Stop giving him that much credit.[/quote]
So you you think Boller or Smith could have gotten us to the AFC title game? I don't think so. Flacco deserves all the credit he gets. He don't a great job for the team. can't wait for next season.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

Just asking, why are all of you guys up so late?

[rlh445]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='141596' date='Jan 19 2009, 11:29 PM']Just asking, why are all of you guys up so late?[/quote]


I can't sleep, as usual.