Bold's Mock (4/12)

[RavensDieHard21]

Btw the Williams combo would be clutch, however, the only rushers I see going ahead of him are Garrett, Barnett, Thomas, Tak, Watt, Reddick, then maybe Taco, but I'm not sure that pushed him to 47. I hope it does though. 

I would even take Witherspoon with the first third rounder because I wouldn't want him slipping past us. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao was this even serious? 

Dead serious. 

On paper they have a top 3 OL. They have a great HC. A gm who has been killing it. A ton of high picks in the coming years. And cap space. That OL and the space/currency to add stars will go a long way. Trubisky has pro tools, and putting him behind that line AND fournette behind that line... trubisky will only throw when he has to, at which point he's got barnidge and Coco against a stacked box with time to throw. 

Thats a hell of a foundation for a rebuild and you're flat out in denial if you don't believe so lol

[ALI624]

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK is Sonny Weaver Jr.😉😉

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dead serious. 

On paper they have a top 3 OL. They have a great HC. A gm who has been killing it. A ton of high picks in the coming years. And cap space. That OL and the space/currency to add stars will go a long way. Trubisky has pro tools, and putting him behind that line AND fournette behind that line... trubisky will only throw when he has to, at which point he's got barnidge and Coco against a stacked box with time to throw. 

Thats a hell of a foundation for a rebuild and you're flat out in denial if you don't believe so lol

I don't like to count my chickens before they hatch, but the potential is there. I wouldn't see this happening until at least the 2018 season. Their defense is atrocious still and Coleman and Barnidge are not overly solid security blankets which Trubisky would need. He is still way too raw. I'd take Watson over him, but that is irrelevant. 

[PurpleHorseman]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dead serious. 

On paper they have a top 3 OL. They have a great HC. A gm who has been killing it. A ton of high picks in the coming years. And cap space. That OL and the space/currency to add stars will go a long way. Trubisky has pro tools, and putting him behind that line AND fournette behind that line... trubisky will only throw when he has to, at which point he's got barnidge and Coco against a stacked box with time to throw. 

Thats a hell of a foundation for a rebuild and you're flat out in denial if you don't believe so lol

Totally agree. This isn't the same browns gm and management. When fans rooted for losing to get a top2 pick to reload talent. We are seeing the reason. Cleveland and team with No.2 pick got a boatload of picks to invest in their future. Fans are lying to themselves if it doesn't believe the Browns are in a great position. Cleveland can trade No.12 pick for Garappolo and yet have the No. pick in the draft.Garrett and Jamie Collins are explosive players to build around with  like 4 round2 picks.

Their offensive line is behind the Cowboys and raiders.  That defense is going to be young ,fast and aggressive. And have an abundance of picks to build up their secondary. 

 

55 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't like to count my chickens before they hatch, but the potential is there. I wouldn't see this happening until at least the 2018 season. Their defense is atrocious still and Coleman and Barnidge are not overly solid security blankets which Trubisky would need. He is still way too raw. I'd take Watson over him, but that is irrelevant. 

 

[January J]

Im a fan. Upvote from me. Tim Williams in the 2nd is a stretch but certainly possible and would love it.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't like to count my chickens before they hatch, but the potential is there. I wouldn't see this happening until at least the 2018 season. Their defense is atrocious still and Coleman and Barnidge are not overly solid security blankets which Trubisky would need. He is still way too raw. I'd take Watson over him, but that is irrelevant. 

That's why I said it's a matter of time lol. When they turn it around? Idk exactly, but I think trubisky, fournette, and hue would make a terrific trio, and having that line makes it all go. And Coleman may not be that guy right now but I have zero reason to believe he won't be eventually, he's a big play threat as of now but totally has the skillset to become a great route runner

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, January J said:

Im a fan. Upvote from me. Tim Williams in the 2nd is a stretch but certainly possible and would love it.

It definitely could be a stretch... but i wont be surprised if teams take a pass on him. Doubtful, but i wouldnt be completely shocked if someone took Ryan Anderson before Williams.

I could see any or all of Myles Garret, Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Haason Reddick, Takk McKinley, Taco Charlton, Charles Harris, TJ Watt, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Derek Rivers, Demarcus Walker, and Tyus Bowser going before him.

10 of them arent even really much of a stretch, and the last 3 have been evaluated all over the place. With the combo of the drug/gun arrest, failed tests, limited role, slightly undersized in that he's prob only a fit for 3-4 teams that need an edge rusher.... I dont think its all that crazy. 

Could he go before? Sure. I wouldnt blink at him going in the 1st round.... i wouldnt mind us taking him at 16. 

 

Especially within the context of my mock, i think he's there at 15 in the 2nd. I have 7 guys going in the 1st, and of the teams that pick before us in the 2nd there arent many that need a pass rusher that didnt get 1 in the 1st.  I could see maybe 3-4 that could but there are also really good prospects at other positions still on the board.

It's not completely crazy that a team goes with Lawson, Harris and/or Willis over Tim Williams.

[PurpleHorseman]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It definitely could be a stretch... but i wont be surprised if teams take a pass on him. Doubtful, but i wouldnt be completely shocked if someone took Ryan Anderson before Williams.

I could see any or all of Myles Garret, Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Haason Reddick, Takk McKinley, Taco Charlton, Charles Harris, TJ Watt, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Derek Rivers, Demarcus Walker, and Tyus Bowser going before him.

10 of them arent even really much of a stretch, and the last 3 have been evaluated all over the place. With the combo of the drug/gun arrest, failed tests, limited role, slightly undersized in that he's prob only a fit for 3-4 teams that need an edge rusher.... I dont think its all that crazy. 

Could he go before? Sure. I wouldnt blink at him going in the 1st round.... i wouldnt mind us taking him at 16. 

 

Especially within the context of my mock, i think he's there at 15 in the 2nd. I have 7 guys going in the 1st, and of the teams that pick before us in the 2nd there arent many that need a pass rusher that didnt get 1 in the 1st.  I could see maybe 3-4 that could but there are also really good prospects at other positions still on the board.

It's not completely crazy that a team goes with Lawson, Harris and/or Willis over Tim Williams.

All those players could go before Williams. However in a league where getting to the QB is widely recognized as the best way to slow an offense. It is quite a stretch that the best speed rusher in the class outside Garrett sits on the board that long. When I say best I'm referring best jump,explosion and bend. Which isn't far off from the Bronco racehorse Miller. He can grow into his young frame and play at about 255lbs . He has the raw skills to become very good in coverage and th run. He should be our best speed rusher since Boulware. And he should be the ravens pick outside a top 5 freefalling like Howard,Foster, Davis/Williams on the board. Even then it would be a tough decision deciding Williams and Davis Howard and Williams

[Cillmatic]

I don't want to live in a world where we take Mike Williams over Corey Davis. It's really not even close.

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I don't want to live in a world where we take Mike Williams over Corey Davis. It's really not even close.

I love Mike Williams' hands and how he catches the ball. He is a bully. Davis not so much but his breakaway speed is enticing.

[Cillmatic]

9 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I love Mike Williams' hands and how he catches the ball. He is a bully. Davis not so much but his breakaway speed is enticing.

Davis can run routes, has very good hands, capable of spectacular catches and has speed. 

Williams is just a big guy who can catch.

 

In the NFL a person with Davis' skill set has a way better career.

[Sami84]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

Davis can run routes, has very good hands, capable of spectacular catches and has speed. 

Williams is just a big guy who can catch.

 

In the NFL a person with Davis' skill set has a way better career.

 

Whoever ozzie picks will end up being the wrong decision as is the case with every WR this so called scout team covets..

[Cillmatic]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

Whoever ozzie picks will end up being the wrong decision as is the case with every WR this so called scout team covets..

Anything constructive?

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

Anything constructive?

Think i've already done that. What else is there to say? Either Ozzie and Eric created a smokescreen or they genuinly don't rank davis as high as M.Williams or Ross who they also amped up during the pres conference.

Like I said as long as we avoid Taco Charlton ( nothing more than a michael Johnson) Jabrill Peppers( Matt elam 2.0) Cam Robinson ( Michael Oher on a bad day) and Charles Harris ( Sergio Kindle 2.0 whom I never rated anyway) we'll be ok.

[PurpleHorseman]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Think i've already done that. What else is there to say? Either Ozzie and Eric created a smokescreen or they genuinly don't rank davis as high as M.Williams or Ross who they also amped up during the pres conference.

Like I said as long as we avoid Taco Charlton ( nothing more than a michael Johnson) Jabrill Peppers( Matt elam 2.0) Cam Robinson ( Michael Oher on a bad day) and Charles Harris ( Sergio Kindle 2.0 whom I never rated anyway) we'll be ok.

Peppers will be good once he settles in at safety. Cam I want to like because I prioritize the offensive line. But he isn't the sum of all his parts. His issues aren't as bad as Greg Robinson. But he has work to do to catch up to his projections.

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Peppers will be good once he settles in at safety. Cam I want to like because I prioritize the offensive line. But he isn't the sum of all his parts. His issues aren't as bad as Greg Robinson. But he has work to do to catch up to his projections.

 

peppers is godawful. Most overrated player in the draft. gets blocked easily, poor play recognition and low production. He's just another matt elam but just a bit more hyped.

[usmccharles]

27 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Think i've already done that. What else is there to say? Either Ozzie and Eric created a smokescreen or they genuinly don't rank davis as high as M.Williams or Ross who they also amped up during the pres conference.

Like I said as long as we avoid Taco Charlton ( nothing more than a michael Johnson) Jabrill Peppers( Matt elam 2.0) Cam Robinson ( Michael Oher on a bad day) and Charles Harris ( Sergio Kindle 2.0 whom I never rated anyway) we'll be ok.

Did I miss your analysis on said players or is just comparing them to other players that have failed your standard?

[Sami84]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Did I miss your analysis on said players or is just comparing them to other players that have failed your standard?

Well, as far as those 3 recievers are concerned I have all 3 as far better prospects than torrey or perriman.

I'm really tired atm but generally speaking the safest bet ( highest floor) is M.Williams. Ross and his injury history is scary. Corey Davis is the best route runner by a long shot..He's around 80% of an amari cooper..only thing i dont like is the concentration drops..dont get me wrong..his hands are lightyears ahead of anyone we have drafted in the WR position in years.

 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Davis can run routes, has very good hands, capable of spectacular catches and has speed. 

Williams is just a big guy who can catch.

 

In the NFL a person with Davis' skill set has a way better career.

You have that in reverse. Williams is faster than Davis, and more of a bully when going for the catch. Also, Williams put on great shows against a higher level of competition. Davis is good but Williams is definitely the more talented of the two.

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Well, as far as those 3 recievers are concerned I have all 3 as far better prospects than torrey or perriman.

I'm really tired atm but generally speaking the safest bet ( highest floor) is M.Williams. Ross and his injury history is scary. Corey Davis is the best route runner by a long shot..He's around 80% of an amari cooper..only thing i dont like is the concentration drops..dont get me wrong..his hands are lightyears ahead of anyone we have drafted in the WR position in years.

 

Im not a fan of Ross at all, I want a big bodied guy like Williams.  To be fair, Torrey was a second round player and these WRs are considered top 20, Torrey did more than expected here, sadly he is the best WR we have drafted.  Id rather take a guy like Williams with the unteachables he has, but id be happy with either Williams or Davis.  But again, I don't see what these players have anything to do with BP or Torrey, just seems like another way for you degrade our players. 

[Sami84]

10 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im not a fan of Ross at all, I want a big bodied guy like Williams.  To be fair, Torrey was a second round player and these WRs are considered top 20, Torrey did more than expected here, sadly he is the best WR we have drafted.  Id rather take a guy like Williams with the unteachables he has, but id be happy with either Williams or Davis.  But again, I don't see what these players have anything to do with BP or Torrey, just seems like another way for you degrade our players. 

 

Oh im so sorry..

Just stating the truth. Perriman and Torrey were 3rd round talents in my eyes.

 

[usmccharles]

29 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Oh im so sorry..

Just stating the truth. Perriman and Torrey were 3rd round talents in my eyes.

 

Im sure you had Antonio Brown as a top 10 pick as well. to each their own

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

You have that in reverse. Williams is faster than Davis, and more of a bully when going for the catch. Also, Williams put on great shows against a higher level of competition. Davis is good but Williams is definitely the more talented of the two.

Davis is faster than williams on tape. I dont care what Williams ran at his 40, Davis looks much faster on tape and it has nothing to do with level of competition. Just like tabor, his 40 time doesnt reflect to his speen on the field

[RaineV1]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Davis is faster than williams on tape. I dont care what Williams ran at his 40, Davis looks much faster on tape and it has nothing to do with level of competition. Just like tabor, his 40 time doesnt reflect to his speen on the field

It just seemed like Williams could get more separation downfield. Davis seems to rely more on quick cuts to get separation.

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

It just seemed like Williams could get more separation downfield. Davis seems to rely more on quick cuts to get separation.

Idk cause on tape i never see williams get much seperation. He only gets seperation once the balls in the air. Otherwise corners were always on his hips, he just managed to out muscle them for the ball

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

It just seemed like Williams could get more separation downfield. Davis seems to rely more on quick cuts to get separation.

williams gets separation by boxing out and using his leverage well towards the end of the route and he had a qb who was confident throwing it to the outside where only he could make the play which made him seem more open downfield

corey davis was given a large cushion to run into and then used his great route-running to engineer larger amounts of separation early in the route because his qb was worse and needed larger windows to be able to diagnose the open receiver and fit the throw in

neither one of them is going to run by nfl cornerbacks deep downfield through pure speed - they are both downfield threats though - id say that davis looks a lot quicker on tape than williams but that might be because everyone is slower in the lower competition (is that true?) but he certainly has more short-area quickness and sudden changes of direction

[Italian Raven]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Idk cause on tape i never see williams get much seperation. He only gets seperation once the balls in the air. Otherwise corners were always on his hips, he just managed to out muscle them for the ball

Yeah I also see a good awarness for the position and how well he tracks the ball. Initial separation might be an issue on the short routes but as long as you keep him running fades and comebacks he's going to demand attention. 

As route runners for intermediate routes I prefere Kupp and Ford, hands down.

[Ravens4Real]

Everyone comments on Mike Williams size but he is only 6'1. Is that truly elite size in the NFL? I would say not at all.

People will comment on boxing out guys and being able to go up for the contested catch. I like that trait so don't have any true negatives. 

Outside of his very good postseason against Ohio State and Alabama, did he really have an outstanding game? He plays in the ACC. They aren't a very elite conference, football wise. He played well against a Pitt and Syracuse team that are horrible on the secondary. He also did well against SC but I have no clue if they have anyone of note skill wise. I just don't really trust any WR in a hurry up, fast pace offense (I say this not knowing what Davis' offense was like in college) Stats are blown out of proportion on offenses like this because defenses play off and loose. The game is going to be vastly different for him in the NFL compared to college. 

Now to my honest opinion, if we are taking a WR first round, I want it to be Davis or no one. I don't see Williams having a good/great NFL career. Big bodied CB's will be able to control his boxing out technique because he is not tall to begin with. They will also be much faster than him. So separation should be a problem. Jimmy Smith in particular would man handle a guy like Williams. 

[ravensnation5220]

@Ravens4Real Mike williams is 6'3 3/4 hes a great player. High points it better than anyone in the country and Im someone who prefers corey davis but i wont question his size and ability.