[News] Late For Work 4/12: What Record Will Ravens' Offseason Roster Overhaul Lead To?

[law215]

Unless the positional coaching develops the player we have, play calling gets better, and in-game decision improves, I don't think the Ravens will be a playoff no matter who they bring it.

Brining in Jefferson is a good start, but Weddle and Carr are older players so the secondary, pass rush IMO is still the top priority. Not ILB, RB, Wr. I don't trust the Ravens to use a 1st round pick on Wr.

What I keep in mind is that other teams are drafting and bringing in free agents
too. When you are behind , you need to do more to catch up.

Steelers - have a dominant offense, they only need a pass rusher and DB
Patriots - have reloaded during free agency
Raiders - only need a RB, CB
Bengals - have dominated the Ravens and Ravens don't have an answer for their receivers.


Being realistic it's going to take young guys stepping up, a great draft, and better coaching to compete.

[sizzlingdoom]

Love the moves so far this offseason. Huge draft coming up.
Here's a thought/plan I find very interesting-
I think we're undeniably building a top 3 Defense. Especially considering it seems we're going to use a first or 2nd rounder on a pass rusher.
What about trading #16 and next year's first rounder to go get Fournette? Then pass rusher in the 2nd. Sign Mangold. Then go Oline the rest of the draft and grab a possession wr and a cb.
All of that = an insane and punishing run game, not to mention when Dixon comes back and teams up with Fournette.
That run game + a top 3 Defense
Also Perriman and Wallace's speed off Fournette play action with Joe's arm would be deadly.
That team would straight punish teams, every week.
Coaching and play calling would have to make a serious effort to screw up a team with that personnel.
If we did this, I think it would set us up for the AFC championship game for at least 3 or 4 of the next 5 years.

Side note rant- all of you people calling Weddle old.....get real. He was still rated as one of the top 2 safeties in the league last year. Not top 10, top 2. Age doesn't apply to everyone. Did you guys not just watch Smitty for the past few years? He has a Solid 2 years left. At a minimum of a pro bowl level. Not to mention, not only is he getting bumped to FS, which will preserve his body. But everyone around him in the secondary just improved, which is about to make his job a lot easier.

[rossihunter2]

53 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Love the moves so far this offseason. Huge draft coming up.
Here's a thought/plan I find very interesting-
I think we're undeniably building a top 3 Defense. Especially considering it seems we're going to use a first or 2nd rounder on a pass rusher.
What about trading #16 and next year's first rounder to go get Fournette? Then pass rusher in the 2nd. Sign Mangold. Then go Oline the rest of the draft and grab a possession wr and a cb.
All of that = an insane and punishing run game, not to mention when Dixon comes back and teams up with Fournette.
That run game + a top 3 Defense
Also Perriman and Wallace's speed off Fournette play action with Joe's arm would be deadly.
That team would straight punish teams, every week.
Coaching and play calling would have to make a serious effort to screw up a team with that personnel.
If we did this, I think it would set us up for the AFC championship game for at least 3 or 4 of the next 5 years.

Side note rant- all of you people calling Weddle old.....get real. He was still rated as one of the top 2 safeties in the league last year. Not top 10, top 2. Age doesn't apply to everyone. Did you guys not just watch Smitty for the past few years? He has a Solid 2 years left. At a minimum of a pro bowl level. Not to mention, not only is he getting bumped to FS, which will preserve his body. But everyone around him in the secondary just improved, which is about to make his job a lot easier.

doesnt make sense that if we are building for the future that we would mortgage part of that for a running back - we are more than 1 piece away so why make that move

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Love the moves so far this offseason. Huge draft coming up.
Here's a thought/plan I find very interesting-
I think we're undeniably building a top 3 Defense. Especially considering it seems we're going to use a first or 2nd rounder on a pass rusher.
What about trading #16 and next year's first rounder to go get Fournette? Then pass rusher in the 2nd. Sign Mangold. Then go Oline the rest of the draft and grab a possession wr and a cb.
All of that = an insane and punishing run game, not to mention when Dixon comes back and teams up with Fournette.
That run game + a top 3 Defense
Also Perriman and Wallace's speed off Fournette play action with Joe's arm would be deadly.
That team would straight punish teams, every week.
Coaching and play calling would have to make a serious effort to screw up a team with that personnel.
If we did this, I think it would set us up for the AFC championship game for at least 3 or 4 of the next 5 years.

Side note rant- all of you people calling Weddle old.....get real. He was still rated as one of the top 2 safeties in the league last year. Not top 10, top 2. Age doesn't apply to everyone. Did you guys not just watch Smitty for the past few years? He has a Solid 2 years left. At a minimum of a pro bowl level. Not to mention, not only is he getting bumped to FS, which will preserve his body. But everyone around him in the secondary just improved, which is about to make his job a lot easier.

doesnt make sense that if we are building for the future that we would mortgage part of that for a running back - we are more than 1 piece away so why make that move

giving up pick 30, 31, or 32 for Fournette is not mortgaging the future

[rossihunter2]

45 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

giving up pick 30, 31, or 32 for Fournette is not mortgaging the future

that's naive though we have so many holes that one player is not going to put us over the top - if we trade up for fournette there is no way we'd use a future pick to do it - the picks would come from this draft alone - also that's an incredibly steep price for a running back

how often do teams that give away future picks actually succeed long term?

[mmcclend]

17 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true on any level.

Fournette had 616 carries in college.
Kenneth Dixon had 802 carries.
Ezekiel Elliot had 592 carries.
David Johnson had 850 carries
Le'Veon Bell had 671 carries
Jay Ajayi had 678 carries
DeMarco Murray had 759 carries

Thank you! I was about to post this. Some people just talk to talk lol 

[Crusader]

A lot of analysts seem to believe 8-8 is our ceiling. I beg to differ. If I'm objective I say we win 10 games this season if fully healthy and Flacco plays like he did in 2012 and prior. The floor is 5 wins if we have injuries, poor coaching and Flacco continues on the same regressive trajectory. I think the floor is unlikely but I think the ceiling is not out of reach. So, I say best case 10 wins and worst case 6 wins.

Just curious of who the ten wins would be? I'll give my loses to be fair and that is if Ravens split with their 2 division opponents and sweep Browns but that's not a given anymore.
Detroit Lions
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Oakland Raiders

[PurpleHorseman]

A losing record would cause Biscotti to question management's direction 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  On 4/12/2017 at 3:15 PM, ellicottraven said:

A lot of analysts seem to believe 8-8 is our ceiling. I beg to differ. If I'm objective I say we win 10 games this season if fully healthy and Flacco plays like he did in 2012 and prior. The floor is 5 wins if we have injuries, poor coaching and Flacco continues on the same regressive trajectory. I think the floor is unlikely but I think the ceiling is not out of reach. So, I say best case 10 wins and worst case 6 wins.

Just curious of who the ten wins would be? I'll give my loses to be fair and that is if Ravens split with their 2 division opponents and sweep Browns but that's not a given anymore.
Detroit Lions
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Oakland Raiders

"Easy" Wins: (Teams with no QB or little offense)
Browns x 2 (QB: TBD)
Chicago (Home game) (QB: Mike Glennon)
Minnesota (QB: Sam Bradford)
Houston (Home game) (QB: Tom Savage)

"Should" Wins:
Tennessee (QB: Marcus Mariota - Major leg injury)
Jax (QB: Blake Bortles?)
Miami (Home game) (QB: Ryan Tannehil - torn ACL/MCL)
Indy (Home game) (QB: Andrew Luck - Major shoulder surgery)

Coin Flip:
Cincy x 2
Squealers x 2

"Tough" games:
Green Bay
Detroit (Home game)
Oakland (QB: Derek Carr - Major leg injury)

So, 11-5 if we beat who we should, split the coin flip games and lose all the tough games.

9-7 if we win the easy games, lose the tough games and split the rest.

We could win the tough games against Detroit because it's at home and the one against the Raiders (Vegas distraction) depending on when we play them on the schedule. If the Raiders are out of it, they will literally be packing it in.

[sizzlingdoom]

With an amazing draft- 12-4

With an average draft 10-6

[b93333]

On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 11:31 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

A losing record would cause Biscotti to question management's direction 

So would another 8-8 season.

[Halshayeji]

On April 13, 2017 at 5:01 PM, sizzlingdoom said:

giving up pick 30, 31, or 32 for Fournette is not mortgaging the future

I like how you spun it there. Under no circumstance would I give up next year's 1 round pick. Your assuming that we make a deep playoff run so we'd have no picks untill the 60s. That's just too much for me to handle. If Fournette falls past 10 then yes let's weigh our options but don't give up another first lol