[News] Late For Work 4/12: What Record Will Ravens' Offseason Roster Overhaul Lead To?

[fluffy201]

im seeing one too many articles on how bad our DL has gotten because we lost JERNIGAN AND GUY.. well what about DAVIS.. HENRY.. KAFUSI.. that's like 3 rookies we just got to replace them.. ALL 3 DIDNT PLAY LAST YEAR.. its like adding 3dl to our DRAFT ... AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

The interior d line is just fine, barring no injury. of course. Another corner and some O line men.........like a few O line men, and the ravens should have a pretty good roster.

[Biszowski]

Trading down sounds nice- we could get players we want and get some extra picks even on day 2. Based on pick value chart found somewhere over the web, I made my mock draft scenario which includes trading with Texans (they might want to move up for a QB)- we give them our 1st(16) and 3rd (78) rnd pick, and get their 1st (25), 2nd (57) and 3rd (89) rnd picks:

1st (25): M. Humphrey CB / D.Barnett OLB (one of them should be available that late)
2nd (47): C. Lawson OLB / C. Tankersley CB (depending on who we draft in 1st)
2nd (57): J.J S. Smith WR
3rd (74): S. Jones CB
3rd (89): E. Pocic/ P. Efflein C
4rd (122). J. Eluemenuor OL
5rd (159) D. Stringellow WR
65d (186) S. Rodgers FB

[#20=DA MAN!!]

We have to start taking care of business on the road. Two or three road wins usually gets you to 7-9 or 8-8. We have some pretty tough road games this year. Packers, Vikings, Raiders, Titans, in London against the Jags, along with the division games. Good teams find a way to win five or more, mediocre teams find a way to lose them. Comments/thoughts on number of road wins.

I've been saying this for years...if we take care of home and split on the road we will be 12-4...teams have come into M&T and bullied us as of late

[hen826957]

4 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Hmmm... nice list. I really don't have a specific choice but l prefer either Foster, Davis, Barnett, or Williams. If either of those 4 are still on the board, you got to take him. If none of the guys l mention are gone, then trade back a couple of spots. I hope l don't see them trade back when either are these guys are still on the board when we pick. So l hope that's not the case. 👍

Edited April 12 by hen826957

[#20=DA MAN!!]

I just think it all comes down to health and playcalling. We could have easily been 11-5 this past season but Jimmy "Mr. Fragile" Smith got hurt against the giants, we had 5 starters out against the jets (not to mention we ran the ball 11 Freaking times!!!), jimmy didnt play against the cowboys, steelers w16. Pees kept putting wright sorry tale in one on one situations and he consistently got beat. Crabtree single-handedly ate his lunch. Then he has the corners playing 15 yards off the ball, idk if Flacco isnt allowed to audible, but it was multiple times that the called play got blew up and even an untrained eye(me) could see that it wouldn't work so why not let the 22 mil dollar man make audibles. We have the speed on the outside and with camp in the slot we SHOULD be a dangerous offense. We dont use waller like we should...this guy is 6'6 and runs a 4.4-4.5 he is a matchup nightmare but we are still depending on pitta who has roughly 4 YAC...not acceptable when he's suppose to be the chain mover. we dont run screens with our speed, we dont stick with the run enough to be successful at play action. Flacco's mechanics never seem to get better because he always thorws off his back foot. So with all this being said...COACHING COACHING COACHING has to improve. The way Harbs holds other players not named Joe accountable, he needs to hold his coordinators and QB accountable.

[RavensBaltimore]

Why do they keep projecting John Ross to us. We already have two speedsters; and no, he is not a good replacement for SSS. Corey Davis could be or maybe, Mike Williams.

I hear a lot of people say Ross isn't a good fit for us because"we already have speed." That's a terrible reason not to draft someone. I don't know if Ozzy is interested, but I do know that if he isn't, it's not because he's too fast. Too much speed has never hurt anyone. I've never heard anyone say, "they would have had a shot last year, but the thing that held them back was that they were just too fast." If he lacks route running ability, good hands, or toughness, that would be a legit reason to pass on him, but having 4.22 speed isn't going to hurt his ability to do any of those things.

[ellicottraven]

A lot of analysts seem to believe 8-8 is our ceiling. I beg to differ. If I'm objective I say we win 10 games this season if fully healthy and Flacco plays like he did in 2012 and prior. The floor is 5 wins if we have injuries, poor coaching and Flacco continues on the same regressive trajectory. I think the floor is unlikely but I think the ceiling is not out of reach. So, I say best case 10 wins and worst case 6 wins.

[ellicottraven]

Shaun O'Hara saying that we may have to move up to get Fournette. That statement is absolutely on the money. If we want to go from best case 11 games to best case SB champion this year, we need to get Fournette even if it moves moving up. I know that landing him will open up the offense and give Joe much needed reprieve in just handing the ball over and watching the first downs come in droves. He's the one man solution to our woes in my honest opinion. That's just how game changing that man can be. He's Jamal Lewis 2.0 except better.

[stuckonaboat13]

Shaun O'Hara saying that we may have to move up to get Fournette. That statement is absolutely on the money. If we want to go from best case 11 games to best case SB champion this year, we need to get Fournette even if it moves moving up. I know that landing him will open up the offense and give Joe much needed reprieve in just handing the ball over and watching the first downs come in droves. He's the one man solution to our woes in my honest opinion. That's just how game changing that man can be. He's Jamal Lewis 2.0 except better.

fournette was a workhorse at LSU , those tires don't have many miles left on them. Picking Fournette is round one is a huge mistake for any team.

[robbie29]

"After coming just a few inches short of stopping an AFC North-winning Antonio Brown touchdown"
Please stop putting so much emphasis on that one play. The Ravens were not a playoff calibre team last year. Period. They scored just 10 points against the Redskins (at home, no less)...then 2 weeks later they scored zero offensive TDs against a Jets team that was even worse than the Redskins. Not showing up for those two games was what did the Ravens in last year, not one play in Pittsburgh. The defense had it's lackluster performances too, of course.
If the Ravens end up filling the void at Center with either Urschel or Jensen, and stand pat with the RBs we currently have on the roster...I don't see Baltimore finishing much better in 2017 than they did in 2016.
On the bright side, the defense has added the tools to improve from last year.

[MadStorkSociety]

1 hour ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I hear a lot of people say Ross isn't a good fit for us because"we already have speed." That's a terrible reason not to draft someone. I don't know if Ozzy is interested, but I do know that if he isn't, it's not because he's too fast. Too much speed has never hurt anyone. I've never heard anyone say, "they would have had a shot last year, but the thing that held them back was that they were just too fast." If he lacks route running ability, good hands, or toughness, that would be a legit reason to pass on him, but having 4.22 speed isn't going to hurt his ability to do any of those things.

I'm not an anti-speedite. It's just that we have speed already and have a glaring need for a possession receiver. We need a chain-mover and Davis (or Williams) is more of that guy that we need. Also, Ross is fragile and we already have plenty of fragile WR's as well. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  6 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

trade back 3-4 spots and take whoever's left of foster, barnett, davis, williams

None of those guys would be available. Barnett is a Top 10 pick if not #4 to the Jags. The Bungels probably take Foster. Buffalo takes Mike Williams. If we don't take Davis at 16, the Titans at 18 or Bucs at 19 will take him.

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

None of those guys would be available. Barnett is a Top 10 pick if not #4 to the Jags. The Bungels probably take Foster. Buffalo takes Mike Williams. If we don't take Davis at 16, the Titans at 18 or Bucs at 19 will take him.

obviously - but it was a hypothetical... so if all those guys were there obviously you trade down and still get a tier 1 talent - but to avoid semantics id take barnett over reuben foster over mike williams over corey davis over haason reddick over jabrill peppers over dalvin cook but neither of those last 2 guys are going to be worth the pick at 16

[TheConquerorWorm]

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Shaun O'Hara saying that we may have to move up to get Fournette. That statement is absolutely on the money. If we want to go from best case 11 games to best case SB champion this year, we need to get Fournette even if it moves moving up. I know that landing him will open up the offense and give Joe much needed reprieve in just handing the ball over and watching the first downs come in droves. He's the one man solution to our woes in my honest opinion. That's just how game changing that man can be. He's Jamal Lewis 2.0 except better.

fournette was a workhorse at LSU , those tires don't have many miles left on them. Picking Fournette is round one is a huge mistake for any team.

That's not true on any level.

Fournette had 616 carries in college.
Kenneth Dixon had 802 carries.
Ezekiel Elliot had 592 carries.
David Johnson had 850 carries
Le'Veon Bell had 671 carries
Jay Ajayi had 678 carries
DeMarco Murray had 759 carries

[axisofeeble]

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I hear a lot of people say Ross isn't a good fit for us because"we already have speed." That's a terrible reason not to draft someone. I don't know if Ozzy is interested, but I do know that if he isn't, it's not because he's too fast. Too much speed has never hurt anyone. I've never heard anyone say, "they would have had a shot last year, but the thing that held them back was that they were just too fast." If he lacks route running ability, good hands, or toughness, that would be a legit reason to pass on him, but having 4.22 speed isn't going to hurt his ability to do any of those things.

He's not the best rout runner in this class nor was he asked to run crisp routs in college as he played for a mediocre school and just outran everyone. It's unfair to question his toughness but he is a smaller guy and injuries could be a concern.

no one is knocking his speed but he doesn't offer much more than we already have on the squad. That's probably why many, including myself would be dissapointed if thats who we take. If we go WR I'd hope we get one of the top 2 guys who are less of a risk and are comfortable catching the ball inside the numbers. A trait we lack at the moment

[Halshayeji]

58 minutes ago, axisofeeble said:

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

That's so unrealistic in so many ways but if the Browns had the option to get Flacco for their top picks then they probably do it in a heartbeat. Theyd also pull the trigger for 10 other QBs currently in the NFL. No price that's too expensive to land a Franchise QB.

theres no cap space to be made by trading Flacco this year or the next because of the way the contract is structured. But seriously. I'd have Tucker play QB before I give Cutler a call.

Flacco is our guy for the next 3 years at least so we gotta surround him with talent, scheme around his strengths, suck it up and hope for the best 

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true on any level.

Fournette had 616 carries in college.
Kenneth Dixon had 802 carries.
Ezekiel Elliot had 592 carries.
David Johnson had 850 carries
Le'Veon Bell had 671 carries
Jay Ajayi had 678 carries
DeMarco Murray had 759 carries

Great post. It really disturbs me when I see paid analysts on ESPN and NFL network echo those same things.

 

Stuff like "Fournette may not last too long in the NFL" damn son..... When did you become God all of a sudden? Lol

Edited April 12 by Halshayeji

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Indeed. He's just NASTY!!!

comparing this year's pass rushers to last year is like day and night. Last year, there were a few guys who separated themselves and a whole bunch of half stupid guys that may never make a pro bowl. This year there are at least 6 guys that I think would have gone in the first round last year and their teams would have celebrated.

If we don't land a pass rusher within our first 2 picks then I'm throwing a tantrum!

Edited April 12 by Halshayeji

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true on any level.

Fournette had 616 carries in college.
Kenneth Dixon had 802 carries.
Ezekiel Elliot had 592 carries.
David Johnson had 850 carries
Le'Veon Bell had 671 carries
Jay Ajayi had 678 carries
DeMarco Murray had 759 carries

Thank you very much. I was just about to respond to the gentleman when I saw your post that says it all.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, axisofeeble said:

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

wouldnt work - it would cost us something like $47million to trade him away - we'd end up with something like negative 23mill in cap savings which means we wouldnt be able to sign any of the rookie class and would have to cut half of the roster - there would be no point signing a stop gap as we'd have literally no one left on the team to play with whoever we had at qb

also joe flacco would net way more than just 1 1st round pick - the likely starting point would probably be like 3 1st rounders and some other picks thrown in if this were even feasible logically or financially and there certainly wouldnt be a 1st rounder going back the other way

the browns however would make that trade in a heartbeat - they get flacco's contract without the signing bonus guaranteed money which is incredibly cheap, they would get to keep a first round pick in a loaded draft, they get a certified franchise qb in a weak qb year, they weaken a division rival, they give hue jackson a qb he's worked with before, they could extend flacco instantly and it wouldnt even cost them that much - if they then front-loaded that with their ridiculous amount of cap space then they'd be golden for yonks

no way would this trade happen and theres no way this trade should happen even if it could

[billiejean]

Forgot we have Woodhead, he could be a real good addition to our mix of RB's. He's a downhill style runner, and a great compliment to West & Dixon (once Dixon is eligible to return). Just praying they all stay healthy come regular season. Dang pre-season smh.

The guy is so versatile. He should be getting some reps in the slot as well. He could also be an option in the return game. I hope Marty and the guys come up so innovative ways to use him.

[hen826957]

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

Lol l laugh so hard on this. 😂😂😂😂😂

[omar586]

per fanspeak.com, if we stay put, this is would be a solid draft.

16: R1P16 EDGE DEREK BARNETT TENNESSEE
47: R2P15 CB KEVIN KING WASHINGTON
74: R3P10 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
78: R3P14 EDGE RYAN ANDERSON ALABAMA
122: R4P15 WR ARDARIUS STEWART ALABAMA
159: R5P15 G ZACH BANNER USC
186: R6P2 EDGE HUNTER DIMICK UTAH

[billiejean]

5 hours ago, robbie29 said:

"After coming just a few inches short of stopping an AFC North-winning Antonio Brown touchdown"
Please stop putting so much emphasis on that one play. The Ravens were not a playoff calibre team last year. Period. They scored just 10 points against the Redskins (at home, no less)...then 2 weeks later they scored zero offensive TDs against a Jets team that was even worse than the Redskins. Not showing up for those two games was what did the Ravens in last year, not one play in Pittsburgh. The defense had it's lackluster performances too, of course.
If the Ravens end up filling the void at Center with either Urschel or Jensen, and stand pat with the RBs we currently have on the roster...I don't see Baltimore finishing much better in 2017 than they did in 2016.
On the bright side, the defense has added the tools to improve from last year.

You would have said the same thing about the 2012 team before the playoffs started. In the last five games of that season we only won one game. We lost to the Redskins who were led to victory with a second string rookie. We lost to a Philly team that ended up winning 4 games that year. The Texans were a good team in 2012 but we got absolutely obliterated by them 43-13. And we would have lost the Chargers game if it wasnt for Rice/Bolden and the chargers were average at best that year.  We have won a heck of a lot of games in the playoffs that we werent supposed to win.  The 2009 playoff game against NE is probably the best example of that.

Edited April 13 by billiejean

[whobilly]

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

Stop it. Unless you want to go 3-13 with Cutler or Kapernick.

[sizzlingdoom]

  14 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  15 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

trade back 3-4 spots and take whoever's left of foster, barnett, davis, williams

None of those guys would be available. Barnett is a Top 10 pick if not #4 to the Jags. The Bungels probably take Foster. Buffalo takes Mike Williams. If we don't take Davis at 16, the Titans at 18 or Bucs at 19 will take him.

It's possible any one of those guys are there. I would bet anything Barnett doesn't go top 5. Probably not even top 10.
The Bengals could go any direction, hard to predict that pick and the domino effect from there. But I could see them going Taco. He's their type of defender.
I could see Buffalo going Williams.
If Davis is on the clock at 16, Barnett and Takk and Foster are the only ones that I think would make us hesitate from taking Davis. Why do I have this feeling Ozzie is in love with Cam as well

[sizzlingdoom]

  15 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Hmmm... nice list. I really don't have a specific choice but l prefer either Foster, Davis, Barnett, or Williams. If either of those 4 are still on the board, you got to take him. If none of the guys l mention are gone, then trade back a couple of spots. I hope l don't see them trade back when either are these guys are still on the board when we pick. So l hope that's not the case. 👍

Nice. Agreed

[sizzlingdoom]

The additions won't necessarily have the biggest effect on our record. I think play calling and chemistry will have the biggest effect along with which units we bolster in the draft. 

If Flacco gets his lazy self out on the field this summer with his boys, we will see a lot better in game performances. 

If Ozzie pulls out his wand and takes a couple of build blocks early, such as Barnett, Tim Williams, M.Williams, Dan Feeney, Forrest Lamp, etc., we will have a talented unit. 

I agree, the play calling and coaching is what held us back last year. Flacco wasn't great either to say the least.
And Shareece Wright was on our team.
But one thing I don't think you're accounting for-
Tony Jefferson is going to have a HUGE impact.
Carr essentially replacing Wright is HUGE as well

[rmcjacket23]

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

If we traded Joe now, his cap hit would almost double the moment we traded him. So not only wouldn't we be able to sign a veteran QB, we'd have to cut quite a few more quality players just to get under the salary cap.

In fact, in looking at the cap of impact of our roster currently, its actually impossible based on what I see. We'd need to create somewhere between $15-20M in cap space after trading him just to be under the salary cap limit. I'm not even sure we could create that kind of space given the current contracts.