[News] Late For Work 4/12: What Record Will Ravens' Offseason Roster Overhaul Lead To?

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The Ravens have asked the NFL to not schedule a post-London bye week. One burning draft question for each AFC North team. Justin Forsett moves out of his Baltimore home.

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[trevorsteadman]

Stopped reading when I saw that the Bengals were projected to have more wins than the Ravens next year. Steelers I could see even though the team barely fell short last year and has more additions than the Steelers this offseason, but the Bengals only had 6 wins last season and looked horrible all season. They lost 2 of the best o-linemen in the league. I just don't see any way that people view the Bengals as a bigger threat than the Ravens who were a blade of grass away from a playoff berth.

[MadStorkSociety]

Why do they keep projecting John Ross to us. We already have two speedsters; and no, he is not a good replacement for SSS. Corey Davis could be or maybe, Mike Williams.

[Ravensfansince03]

Forgot we have Woodhead, he could be a real good addition to our mix of RB's. He's a downhill style runner, and a great compliment to West & Dixon (once Dixon is eligible to return). Just praying they all stay healthy come regular season. Dang pre-season smh.

[Azzi22]

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

[bioLarzen]

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

[Ravensfansince03]

Our record will depend on how well both our offense communicates with each other, as well as our defense. This team has been making a lot of cuts, and signings. We just brought in a slew of free-agents. Don't expect this team to just all of sudden hit on all cylinders. We just traded away Jernigan smh, our WR group is shady until otherwise, and we have a new group of RB's. Right now, our chances of being better than last season are slim unless our defense is somehow much better than last season, and our offense is more fluent.

[bioLarzen]

Why do they keep projecting John Ross to us. We already have two speedsters; and no, he is not a good replacement for SSS. Corey Davis could be or maybe, Mike Williams.

They keep projecting everyone to us. Mock drafts should be treated as what they are... mocks. I've seen mocks giving us 2 TE's, a QB and a RB, with no CB and WR... I've seen mocks giving us two WR's with the first two pick...

[bioLarzen]

Forgot we have Woodhead, he could be a real good addition to our mix of RB's. He's a downhill style runner, and a great compliment to West & Dixon (once Dixon is eligible to return). Just praying they all stay healthy come regular season. Dang pre-season smh.

Not to mention his value as a mentor. Without him we only had relatively young and inexperienced guys in the RB classroom... His experience may come invaluable.

[Azzi22]

  15 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

Solid choice... you think we can pick up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder? to move back 7-8 spots

[The Beak]

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

The more film I watch the more H Reddick Shines , ( he looks like a K Mack clone) he has a knack for getting to the QB and causing havoc in the backfield. Not saying he should be our pick at 16.....I'm just Saying

[The Beak]

  13 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

I agree , trading back and maybe getting another third would be my choice....

[bioLarzen]

  20 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

  21 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

I agree , trading back and maybe getting another third would be my choice....

Assuming an organization in the 20-32 region trades up wiuth us, it could even net a 3rd rounder and a 5th/6th rounder...

[whobilly]

We have to start taking care of business on the road. Two or three road wins usually gets you to 7-9 or 8-8. We have some pretty tough road games this year. Packers, Vikings, Raiders, Titans, in London against the Jags, along with the division games. Good teams find a way to win five or more, mediocre teams find a way to lose them. Comments/thoughts on number of road wins.

[bioLarzen]

  20 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

  21 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

Solid choice... you think we can pick up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder? to move back 7-8 spots

Moving back 7-8 spots to #16 means a net trade value gain of around 250 points (according to the "standard" TVC which most experts still use). That would easily net us a trhird rounder PLUS a fifth or sith rounder in the pick #24-27 region. A second rounder would be a huge steal - those picks are worth about 40-70 points more than 250 points. Not totally out of question if a team gets desperate enough - but I don't think it's a likely scenario.
If, however, one of the #28-32 teams wanted to trade up... that could net us their first and second rounder - and maybe then some... However, jumping up that much in the first round doesn't happen too often...

[RavensDieHard21]

The additions won't necessarily have the biggest effect on our record. I think play calling and chemistry will have the biggest effect along with which units we bolster in the draft. 

If Flacco gets his lazy self out on the field this summer with his boys, we will see a lot better in game performances. 

If Ozzie pulls out his wand and takes a couple of build blocks early, such as Barnett, Tim Williams, M.Williams, Dan Feeney, Forrest Lamp, etc., we will have a talented unit. 

[drillem]

Good scouting beats good draft position. Take a look at some of the best draft picks (Brady comes to mind right off the top of my head). I'll be interested to see how good our scouting is this year.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

trade back 3-4 spots and take whoever's left of foster, barnett, davis, williams

[MadStorkSociety]

1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

They keep projecting everyone to us. Mock drafts should be treated as what they are... mocks. I've seen mocks giving us 2 TE's, a QB and a RB, with no CB and WR... I've seen mocks giving us two WR's with the first two pick...

True. I've seen every combination as well. But you would think if they are sports writers for a living, they would put in more effort than me (an unpaid fan) to come up with something more reasonable. 

[griffrb]

True, there's always turnover. However, look at the losses of designated "core" or "key" players and those who were expected to be vital backups that didn't meet expectations. Seven, and potentially, eight DBs being released. This however, is a rebuild to get much younger and faster. They will never admit or call it such. The younger players must simply grow up, play, and perform if we have any opportunity to move beyond mediocre. The same goes for the coaching. They too must perform better, assess better, and give players the opportunity to grow by putting them into position to be successful.

[steelcityraven]

True, there's always turnover. However, look at the losses of designated "core" or "key" players and those who were expected to be vital backups that didn't meet expectations. Seven, and potentially, eight DBs being released. This however, is a rebuild to get much younger and faster. They will never admit or call it such. The younger players must simply grow up, play, and perform if we have any opportunity to move beyond mediocre. The same goes for the coaching. They too must perform better, assess better, and give players the opportunity to grow by putting them into position to be successful.

Wagner
Zuttah
Ducasse
Juice
SSS

Doom
Timmy
Guy
Orr

Those are the real loses.

Jefferson
Carr
Woodhead

Those are the real additions.


The problem is that we lost 3 players form the OL and picked up 0 so far

We lost 2 DL, Doom and Zach Orr which has the potential to weaken our front 7 and we haven't added anyone in the front 7 yet.

We lost SSS our most productive WR and haven't added anyone there yet.

We have improved out DBackfield and Woodhead will prove to be a weapon for Joe. With our TE corps healthy it should mark an improvement.

We just need to hit some home runs in this draft...
I would love to see us re-sign Doom and possibly Powers... Signing Mangold or another OL would help in addition to the draft.

Finally I am expecting a trade (Ben Watson) or a trade back in the draft.... allowing us to address more of the needs that we have.

[steelcityraven]

  2 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  2 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

Solid choice... you think we can pick up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder? to move back 7-8 spots

Moving back 7-8 spots to #16 means a net trade value gain of around 250 points (according to the "standard" TVC which most experts still use). That would easily net us a trhird rounder PLUS a fifth or sith rounder in the pick #24-27 region. A second rounder would be a huge steal - those picks are worth about 40-70 points more than 250 points. Not totally out of question if a team gets desperate enough - but I don't think it's a likely scenario.
If, however, one of the #28-32 teams wanted to trade up... that could net us their first and second rounder - and maybe then some... However, jumping up that much in the first round doesn't happen too often...

Agreed.... I am expecting to gain a 3rd rounder by trading back ( I think the # 24 -#28 spot is realistic) and we can still get the player we are looking for.... plus

If we drop the all the way to # 26-28.... I really do see us getting a 3rd and a 5th... at least a 3rd and a 6th.

[bioLarzen]

"In his latest mock draft, ESPN's Todd McShay went three rounds as if he was running each team's war room (these are not his predictions). For the Baltimore Ravens, McShay addressed four significant needs with their four picks.

McShay selected one of the top wide receivers (Clemson's Mike Williams) in the first round, an underrated cornerback (Colorado's Chidobe Awuzie) in the second, and a pass-rusher from Ozzie Newsome's favorite school (Alabama's Ryan Anderson) and a massive right tackle (Vanderbilt's Will Holden) in the third. (Hensley: http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/35167/mcshay-mock-ravens-land-top-wr-in-first-round-underrated-cb-in-second)

Dunno, I'm not superstitious and whatnot - and anyway, "what's in a name" - but I'm not sure how I would feel about having a tackle called "Will Holden"

Edited April 12 by bioLarzen

[hen826957]

39 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Trade back. One of them will still be available 7-8 spots later, and you net one or two more picks.

Solid choice... you think we can pick up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder? to move back 7-8 spots

Moving back 7-8 spots to #16 means a net trade value gain of around 250 points (according to the "standard" TVC which most experts still use). That would easily net us a trhird rounder PLUS a fifth or sith rounder in the pick #24-27 region. A second rounder would be a huge steal - those picks are worth about 40-70 points more than 250 points. Not totally out of question if a team gets desperate enough - but I don't think it's a likely scenario.
If, however, one of the #28-32 teams wanted to trade up... that could net us their first and second rounder - and maybe then some... However, jumping up that much in the first round doesn't happen too often...

Agreed.... I am expecting to gain a 3rd rounder by trading back ( I think the # 24 -#28 spot is realistic) and we can still get the player we are looking for.... plus

If we drop the all the way to # 26-28.... I really do see us getting a 3rd and a 5th... at least a 3rd and a 6th.

I think dropping back from #16 to #24-#28 is way too far to me imo. You be almost drafting at the end of the first round. The only way l would trade back that far is they have to give me their second rounder or a 1st round pick in next years draft not for just a 3rd rounder or later pick. For me, l would just only trade back to #20 at best no later if the guys we are interested are off the board. 

Edited April 12 by hen826957

[b93333]

Another 8-8 year missing the play-offs? That was what everyone predicted for the Ravens last year and we all scoffed. I certainly hope the "experts" are wrong this time around.

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, whobilly said:

We have to start taking care of business on the road. Two or three road wins usually gets you to 7-9 or 8-8. We have some pretty tough road games this year. Packers, Vikings, Raiders, Titans, in London against the Jags, along with the division games. Good teams find a way to win five or more, mediocre teams find a way to lose them. Comments/thoughts on number of road wins.

I absolutely agree. We should be favorites against the Vikings, Titans, and Jags. But what I really want is to beat the damn Raiders.

i know theyr a much improved team but I still can't get over the fact that the "Raiders" beat us twice in a row. If someone claimed that the Raiders would potentially beat the Ravens 3 times in a row just 5 years ago I would have giggled till my stomach cramped.

I hope the team takes it as a personal challenge then rise to the occasion

[fluffy201]

If the Ravens can fix the O line like they did the secondary I will be very optimistic about the Ravens season, and I would not have said that a few months ago. I still think we are one year away from a super bowl run though. I think the wild card is a possibility for the Ravens, I don't see them winning the division if Pittsburgh stays healthy though.

[fluffy201]

I don't know why fans are so obsessed with wr, passrusher and running back. Two out of three of those positions will not matter if they don't have a decent line. The running backs were getting hit in the back field last year, and as much of a bone head I think Flacco is, in his defense, he again had no time to throw the ball.

[Azzi22]

im seeing one too many articles on how bad our DL has gotten because we lost JERNIGAN AND GUY.. well what about DAVIS.. HENRY.. KAFUSI.. that's like 3 rookies we just got to replace them.. ALL 3 DIDNT PLAY LAST YEAR.. its like adding 3dl to our DRAFT ... AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

[hen826957]

10 minutes ago, fluffy201 said:

If the Ravens can fix the O line like they did the secondary I will be very optimistic about the Ravens season, and I would not have said that a few months ago. I still think we are one year away from a super bowl run though. I think the wild card is a possibility for the Ravens, I don't see them winning the division if Pittsburgh stays healthy though.

I agree. I think the Ravens are one year away for contending for a championship. We fans got to realize is that it is very hard to fix every hole in one year. We did a good job getting pieces for the secondary this year now it might take next offseason to get some pieces for the offense. 2018 might be a huge year for us, and l hope we have a decent year in 2017 and compete for a playoff spot. 👍

Edited April 12 by hen826957