Wide Reciever Depth

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

If Mike Wallace goes down our offense is done for.We have ZERO depth at WR and our run game cant be counted on.Im hopeful that Perriman can become a good player,but expecting him to go from what we saw last year to a guy who can carry the load in the passing game is a bit much.Dont neg me for saying this lol,but a WR corps with just Perriman,Moore,a mid to late round draft pick(I'm assuming we'll draft atleast atleast a mid to late round WR ) and Campanaro could/would easily be the worst WR corps in the league.If its Perriman who has another knee issue and is out then I still wouldnt feel comfortable with just Wallace,Moore and Camp.

IMO its a must that we go after one of the big three WRs in the first round.Corey Davis is my fave for who we should pick at 16 or trade up for if he drops out of the top 10.My only worry with him is the no name DBs he faced in college.After watching John Ross games repeatedly since the combine and seeing him work Adoree Jackson I feel like hes more of a sure thing,but I still like Davis' upside more.Another reason I'm thinking we should go after one of these WRs is because its not every year that we're in position to draft WRs this dynamic and with this much upside.

What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?

[redrum52]

LOL at "depth."  I'd like Mike Williams, but our Wrs need help.  Ross' speed is great, but I'd love to have a wr who will come down with big catches and make life a little easier for the qb.  Perriman has actually shown flashes, but to get a more polished route runner, who's big bodied and sure handed would be great.  It's also something we've NEVER had here.  I honestly have no idea how this draft goes for us early, though.

[757RavensFan]

While I agree that the WR depth is pretty limited, but honestly, name a team that has decent WR depth.  

Considering how important each roster spot is, you're not going to find too many teams who have 

a deep WR corp.  Most teams have a true #1 and decent WRs at the #2 and #3, our problem is 

the lack of vet/game experience at the #2 and #3 positions.  If they stay healthy, a lot will be expected

of Perriman, Moore and Camp.  It also wouldn't surprise me one bit if they take a WR with the 1st pic

to add to that depth.   

 

[Moderator 3]

Training camp and post draft cuts yet to come.  I suspect we'll pick up a vet.

[rmcjacket23]

This post has nothing to do with WR depth. It has to do with you thinking the WR core isn't very good.

If we need actual DEPTH at WR, that means that you're looking to add a role player or a bench player to your roster. That's what depth is. 

So if you think that depth is actually the issue, then no, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a player who is depth. You use a first round pick on a player to play a lot, probably start, and be a contributor.

So make up your mind. Do we need depth, or do we need another starting-caliber player?

Edited April 10 by rmcjacket23

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

8 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

While I agree that the WR depth is pretty limited, but honestly, name a team that has decent WR depth.  

 

 

The packers have 3 solid WRs and a solid pass catching TE,the patriots have 2 studs TE's and a few solid WRs,the doplhins have a solid TE and Landry,Parker and Stills and I could go on and one with the steelers,bengals,saints,giants,bucs,raiders etc.I shouldve titled this pass catcher depth.I also had pass catching TEs in mind but I just didnt mention them.

22 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Most teams have a true #1 and decent WRs at the #2 and #3, our problem is 

the lack of vet/game experience at the #2 and #3 positions. 

 

 

Thats my point.Most teams have depth and we don't.If we have one single injury to what we do have then it gets REALLY ugly.Pitta is not what he used to be and he's the only decent enough pass catcher we have at TE so theres nothing to hold us over there.Its almost like 2013 again which is why I think adding a pass catcher is a big need.If Wallace goes down theres literally no on else to go to at TE or WR and its worse than 2013.Thats why Im thinking Corey Davis or John Ross is a must in the first round.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Our receiving corps(both WR and TE ) is parallel to our CB situation from over the past few years.Wallace is the Jimmy Smith and if he's injured we have the equivalent of Shareece Wright as our best option and nothing behind that. 

Edited April 10 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

16 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

This post has nothing to do with WR depth. It has to do with you thinking the WR core isn't very good.

If we need actual DEPTH at WR, that means that you're looking to add a role player or a bench player to your roster. That's what depth is. 

So if you think that depth is actually the issue, then no, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a player who is depth. You use a first round pick on a player to play a lot, probably start, and be a contributor.

So make up your mind. Do we need depth, or do we need another starting-caliber player?

 

If your WR corps isnt very good then that also means it has no depth lol.I would like for us to draft a first round WR and let him battle Perriman for a starting job.Since we don't use many 3 WR sets,the guy who isnt starting and not getting much playing time can become the depth.

Edited April 10 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[Adreme]

I don't think you know what depth is.  Depth is what you have BEHIND the starters, as in the people who WON'T be on the field every play.  

Right now the two starters are Wallace and Perriman with the later finally getting the much needed off-season to grow what he needed, but yes BEHIND them there is not much. The people behind them are the depth.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

5 minutes ago, Adreme said:

I don't think you know what depth is.  Depth is what you have BEHIND the starters, as in the people who WON'T be on the field every play.  

Right now the two starters are Wallace and Perriman with the later finally getting the much needed off-season to grow what he needed, but yes BEHIND them there is not much. The people behind them are the depth.

 

Thanks for the explanation,good sir.I'll be sure to use this information in the future.

[Jonah DeVito]

33 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

This post has nothing to do with WR depth. It has to do with you thinking the WR core isn't very good.

If we need actual DEPTH at WR, that means that you're looking to add a role player or a bench player to your roster. That's what depth is. 

So if you think that depth is actually the issue, then no, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a player who is depth. You use a first round pick on a player to play a lot, probably start, and be a contributor.

So make up your mind. Do we need depth, or do we need another starting-caliber player?

What the hell are you even saying. Your inability to comprehend his post is the real issue here. He is not saying to use his 1st round pick on a depth player. Just because we have two guys who are considered starters right now means we can't upgrade that position and make a would be starter a depth player? That's the best way to improve your depth in a position. The WR core is neither that great nor does it have great depth. The best way to improve that is to add a guy like MWill or Corey Davis and maybe add a vet after the draft. 

Edited April 10 by Jonah DeVito

[gtalk12]

Mike Jackson is out there but how much does he have left?

 

Our depth is going to come from the TE position with Maxx, Boyle, Pitta, and Waller being healthy....Don't know what you can expect from Watson though..

 

 

Waller can play WR and it would make sense to have mulit-TE sets out there

[jazz1988]

John Harbaugh spoke highly of Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore at The NFl Combine. Both those guys have great upside especially Perriman who may have more upside than the top 3 receivers in this draft. I like Corey Davis but I don't think The Ravens should trade up for him or will need to if he falls out of the top 10. The only team I can see taking him is probably The Cardinals but I expect Rueben Foster to still be  available and I don't see them passing up on him. Corey Davis has yet to workout for scouts due to  him recovering from  a  ankle injury which may cause  teams that pick before The Ravens to be concern about taking Davis so high. 

 

I don't think it's a must that The Ravens take wide receiver in the first round because there will be talented receivers in second and third round that fit what they need. 

[Halshayeji]

12 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?

First of all, great post. You made a lot of valid points and concerns.

For starters, if we go into next season with this crew and Wallace gets hurt then we are screwed indeed lol. That also applies with almost every team and their #1 WR. Heck even A.Rodgers had a tough time without his #1.

i also agree on Davis and Williams part. If they fall out of the top 10 then we should seriously consider them. They have AJ Green written all over them. I disagree tho when it comes to Ross. I don't see what he brings to the table that we don't already have. (Fast, deep threat, unpolished routes, and injury prone) sounds like a Perriman to me but without the 6'2 frame. I just feel like we don't have enough footballs going deep to feed all our deep threats.

well I guess il move on to Perriman. He had a great rookie season when you consider that he never really practiced with the team. He had a few focus drops early that were over exaggerated. I say that because he had twice as many huge plays that only a handful of WRs in the NFL can even attempt to make. He finished the season strong as he settled in and got more opportunities. I think he's poised to have a thousand yard season if he starts and has a full training camp with Flacco. (I can't defend his knee because I also hold my breath every time he goes down)

to conclude, I would t say taking a WR is a must in the first round because we have a stud in Wallace and a stud in the making in Perriman. I would say that we need another solid WR that brings a different skill set to the table to open up the deep passing game. Someone like Ju Ju (USC) makes a lot of sense to me. 

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

What the hell are you even saying. Your inability to comprehend his post is the real issue here. He is not saying to use his 1st round pick on a depth player. Just because we have two guys who are considered starters right now means we can't upgrade that position and make a would be starter a depth player? That's the best way to improve your depth in a position. The WR core is neither that great nor does it have great depth. The best way to improve that is to add a guy like MWill or Corey Davis and maybe add a vet after the draft. 

Well, actually, he is saying that, because, well, he actually said that...

"What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?"

My comprehension isn't the problem. The problem is that the OP THINKS he's talking about adding depth, and he's not. He's talking about adding a starting-caliber player. Those are not the same thing.

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

If your WR corps isnt very good then that also means it has no depth lol.I would like for us to draft a first round WR and let him battle Perriman for a starting job.Since we don't use many 3 WR sets,the guy who isnt starting and not getting much playing time can become the depth.

Actually that's not true at all. The biggest knock on our WR core for years has been that we have depth... we just don't have anybody who separates themselves from the pack in terms of quality talent. If all of your receivers on your roster are near the same caliber of talent, then by definition, you have depth, because it means that if one of your "starters" goes down, the replacement level player is nearly as productive.

The REAL issue with our WR core is exactly what the FO has told us it is... we have no possession receiver who can work the middle of the field and be effective on third downs or in the red zone. That's the type of receiver we need. The reason why a Wallace/Perriman combo isn't exactly thrilling is because they both run similar route trees and have similar skill sets, and neither is a guy you trust to go over the middle and make a tough, contested catch in a critical spot in the game.

That's the type of guy we're going to look to add. If its a first rounder, great. If its a veteran, cool (I wouldn't prefer this). If its a mid-rounder, good. 

Your third WR is typically going to play somewhere around 50-60% of the snaps. Aiken played 52% last year, Perriman 43%. Even Steve Smith only played around 64%, so the drop from him to Aiken wasn't nearly as big as people think.

If we're in that position, that's what I'd expect to happen. Wallace will lead the receivers in targets and playing time, and Perriman and a third receiver (not yet on the roster most likely) will be playing about 2/3 or so, split among them. I don't see anything we do, including a first round WR, changing that. I don't think you're going to see Wallace and another player both playing like 90% of snaps. Think you'll see a steady rotation of guys.

 

Edited April 11 by rmcjacket23

[January J]

Got a strong feeling we are going to pick up 2 veteran receivers post draft- one of which will be Boldin. That combined with a Wr in the draft from the top 3 rounds( Williams, Davis , Kupp, Zay , Juju ) and we will be just fine. Y'all better stop sleeping on Perriman.

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, actually, he is saying that, because, well, he actually said that...

"What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?"

My comprehension isn't the problem. The problem is that the OP THINKS he's talking about adding depth, and he's not. He's talking about adding a starting-caliber player. Those are not the same thing.

I feel like you're taking this way too personally for no apparent reason.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, actually, he is saying that, because, well, he actually said that...

"What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?"

My comprehension isn't the problem. The problem is that the OP THINKS he's talking about adding depth, and he's not. He's talking about adding a starting-caliber player. Those are not the same thing.

That doesnt say we need to take a WR in the 1st to be our depth.

I think its fairly obvious he means take a Mike Williams or Corey Davis who can be a true #1 receiver to partner with Wallace/Perriman, and then the other becomes the 3rd WR, pushing everyone else down a further spot.

By adding a WR at the top, you push everyone else down the chart, thus both improving your starting WR situation and your WR depth.

 

Its clear thats what he meant. If Wallace goes down there's no one behind thats of starter quality. Well if we draft a top guy who can start, then either Wallace or Perriman steps up in the event of injury giving us a depth piece capable of starting.

Dont know why youre going so hard when this is pretty vanilla stuff.

[AnthonyGames]

It's obvious we need another dynamic WR and probably add another vet as depth. Knowing this, I've been watching a lot of game tape of the 'big 3' from the draft.  My findings: Corey Davis is the most well rounded. A little raw, but I think he has the best potential to be a true #1 WR we need. Him and Perriman would be a great duo going forward. The more film I watch on John Ross, the more I like him. He is truly dynamic! To me he is the most similar WR I've seen to Antonio Brown in a while. He is faster too, but not even close to as good of a route runner...yet. I think he's a guy you can count on for a few big plays a game; he is not however a guy who has a chance to win every matchup like AB, Julio, or Green, however. Ross and Perriman would also be a great pairing, with a possession type added in. As for Mike Williams, I like him as #2 or 3 WR. Doesn't get good separation and makes a lot of contested catches because he has to. Would be great as a red zone target and would help move chains.

-Here's another idea: if we could get Ross or Davis, and are still looking for a true "possession" guy, why not use Waller. We have a surplus of TE's, and Waller was drafted as a WR. Huge size and great athletic ability. He showed some glimpses of being really good, and some not. I'd love to see him come in in 3 and 4 WR sets and work the middle of the field, while Perriman, Wallace, and Ross/Davis on the outsides. Then our good rotation of TE's also factoring in.

[Ravenseconbeast]

History says our QB cant build rapport with young receivers.  We tried it every year and none of them panned out.   You can draft another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, but dont expect anything out of it.   

The more reliable option is in the FA with Flacco.   We need another receiver that is polished and ready to go like SSS/Boldin/D.Mason in the past.   

[SepticeyePoe]

13 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

History says our QB cant build rapport with young receivers.  We tried it every year and none of them panned out.   You can draft another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, but dont expect anything out of it.   

The more reliable option is in the FA with Flacco.   We need another receiver that is polished and ready to go like SSS/Boldin/D.Mason in the past.   

Torrey Smith and Dennis Pitta say hello.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Menish Mehta (sp?) is apparently reporting that the Jets would be open to trading Eric Decker.

Coming off surgery, but hes a quality WR especially in the mold of what we need. Mid round pick might get it done.

Obviously spit balling here, and i dont think anyones inquired formally.... so its nothing yet. Not sure how id feel about that, or what id be ok giving up to get him.

 

Although its also a possibility they still release him outright and are just waiting for him to clear a medical eval. 

Edited April 11 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Adreme]

Ross's scouting report is basically a copy paste of Perriman's so why draft Ross when you have Perriman who WILL be starting next year barring injury.  The only thing the Ravens would do if they got yet another speed receiver is cut Wallace to save money.  

If Williams or Davis are there (and Barnett isn't) then by all means draft them but Ross is just a worse copy paste of what we already have.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

40 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Menish Mehta (sp?) is apparently reporting that the Jets would be open to trading Eric Decker.

Coming off surgery, but hes a quality WR especially in the mold of what we need. Mid round pick might get it done.

Obviously spit balling here, and i dont think anyones inquired formally.... so its nothing yet. Not sure how id feel about that, or what id be ok giving up to get him.

 

Although its also a possibility they still release him outright and are just waiting for him to clear a medical eval. 

 

He fits the mold of the veteran chain mover with some gas left in the tank that the front office described.If they were to cut him I'd advocate for the team to sign him,but I wouldnt like to see us trade for him with that high of a base salary and I don't think any team would.

[rossihunter2]

56 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

He fits the mold of the veteran chain mover with some gas left in the tank that the front office described.If they were to cut him I'd advocate for the team to sign him,but I wouldnt like to see us trade for him with that high of a base salary and I don't think any team would.

oh i agree - $7.25 mill is too much for a guy with so many question marks especially considering alshon jeffery only makes 500k more (in terms of cap) - we have enough injury worries already in the wr corps so id prefer to leave well alone unless he's coming in post-cut on a webby-priced deal but he wont because someone will offer him more money than here if he's released

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

History says our QB cant build rapport with young receivers.  We tried it every year and none of them panned out.   You can draft another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, but dont expect anything out of it.   

The more reliable option is in the FA with Flacco.   We need another receiver that is polished and ready to go like SSS/Boldin/D.Mason in the past.   

History says that no matter what the issue is you will blame Flacco.   lol

Name one young receiver that didn't pan out here, but then went on to succeed with another QB.  

[Ravenseconbeast]

35 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

History says that no matter what the issue is you will blame Flacco.   lol

Name one young receiver that didn't pan out here, but then went on to succeed with another QB.  

 

You are asking almost the impossible.  So you get drafted and don't succeed with your first team.  The possibility of anyone giving you a 2nd chance to be groomed like your first team is slim to none.   

I can list you all the WR we drafted since Joe was drafted and you can name me how many of those WRs actually broke 1000 yards.   Fair?

Justin Harper

Marcus Smith

David Reed

Tandon Doss

Torrey Smith

Tommy Streeter

Aaron Mallette

Michael Campanaro

Darren Waller

Breshad Perriman
 

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

You are asking almost the impossible.  So you get drafted and don't succeed with your first team.  The possibility of anyone giving you a 2nd chance to be groomed like your first team is slim to none.   

I can list you all the WR we drafted since Joe was drafted and you can name me how many of those WRs actually broke 1000 yards.   Fair?

Justin Harper

Marcus Smith

David Reed

Tandon Doss

Torrey Smith

Tommy Streeter

Aaron Mallette

Michael Campanaro

Darren Waller

Breshad Perriman
 

How's that fair? How many of those guys were drafted in the first two rounds of the draft? And maybe look at the couple of guys who have had opportunities on other teams and notice that their production didn't suddenly sky rocket - for example Torrey smith with the 49ers

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

35 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

You are asking almost the impossible.  So you get drafted and don't succeed with your first team.  The possibility of anyone giving you a 2nd chance to be groomed like your first team is slim to none.   

I can list you all the WR we drafted since Joe was drafted and you can name me how many of those WRs actually broke 1000 yards.   Fair?

Justin Harper-currently unemployed for good reason. Also 7th round pick

Marcus Smith-currently unemployed for good reason. Hasn't played since 2011

David Reed-currently unemployed for good reason. Mid rounder. 

Tandon Doss-currently unemployed for good reason. "But Joe suggested him". Joe is a QB not an NFL scout, try again

Torrey Smith-Broke 1000 with us. Try again. Oh and he only did that once. With which qb.... JOE 

Tommy Streeter-LOL.

Aaron Mallette-currently unemployed for good reason.

Michael Campanaro-tore his ACL as I typed this

Darren Waller-plays TE now, and sucks tbh. Late round pick. Can't expect to much

Breshad Perriman-last year was basically his rookie season. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he broke it.
 

 

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Hmmm. Shocking. The two best WRS on this list (Perriman and Torrey) were early round draft picks while the rest of them were mid to late rounders.

 

 

Damn that Flacco. We'd win 50 super bowls in a row if not for him. 

 

 

Edited April 12 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN