[News] Late For Work 4/10: Timmy Jernigan Reacts To Trade: 'I Was Mind Blown'

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Awesome Trade! Awesome attitude by Timmy too

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I'm not completely sold on M Williams , yes the measurable are there, but not sure on his route running or desire , I think defense should be focus in first round,
There are really good WR to be had in 2nd and 3rd round

I agree. If his desire to be great and learn routes and everything is there, he'll be great, but there's no way for us to tell.
I agree with your post.
Barnett or Takk would be Awesome additions. Taco is very interesting as well.
Then I know a lot of people like Zay and Kupp, but if there's one player in this draft I hope we take, it's Ju Ju Smith Schuster. Everything you could ever ask for, he has. On and off the field. He just doesn't run a 4.4 Big deal I say. I think he ran a 4.54 or something. He just looks like a faster and more athletic Boldin to me. Exactly who we should pair with Perriman and Wallace. It's ridiculous to me that it looks like he'll be going in the 2nd, at best.
There will undoubtedly be immediate starters in the 3rd round this year.
I'm hoping Barnett, Davis, or Foster slip to 16. Otherwise this is the draft to trade back. Giving up picks for next year, trading back, whatever it takes, if I were the GM I would try to accumulate as many picks as possible between picks 20-120 this year. Ozzie's already been working on that. If we add 1 or 2 difference makers on Defense in this draft, I'll be more excited to watch the D this year than I have in so many years!

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i just cant wait for the draft

Me either. This class is LOADED

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14 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

If the intention is to compete for a job then no. No rookie is gonna come in to push Flacco for his job.

If the intention is having a solid backup on a cheap rookie deal then yes. It's not that out of the ordinary to see teams invest high draft picks on QBs when you have a franchise QB.

Saints drafted a QB in the third two years ago and the Chargers took took Eli/Rivers when they had Breese. A.Rodgers was drafted in the first when Favre was the starter. Brady has a second round QB sitting on the bench. P.Manning had a third rounder in Brock oswiler backing him up for 3 years. Dak Prescott was drafted in the fourth with Romo the starter ad Cousins was drafted in the third when the franchise QB was RG3

I think that's a good enough list for you to recognize that it's not as simple as taking a day 3 guy and hoping he becomes a good backup.

 

 

So if we REALLY look at this, here's what REALLY happened:

1. The Chargers got Rivers because, at the time, Brees was terrible. Go look at his 02-03 numbers in SD and tell me what was impressive about them? Note also that this example is basically 13 years old.

2. Same application for Rodgers. Pretty much the last successful first round draft pick used on a QB that paid off when the incumbent was still good. We're talking about 15 years ago at this point.

3. Garoppolo is a 2nd round pick who has barely played and will leave NE next year. What about that has been a good pick for the Patriots? A 2nd round pick playing like 3 games TOTAL and fetching a comp pick 6 years later that is less than the value he was drafted at is considered a successful pick for that franchise? Really? See Ryan Mallett.

4. Osweiler was a 2nd rounder in a year where the Broncos traded for a guy who basically had a broken neck. Do I need to further explain why they needed to do that? I think its safe to say they'd like to have that pick back, also.

5. Prescott is a day 3 pick.

6. Cousins was a 4th rounder, so another day 3 pick. Given that he was taken the year that they traded the farm for a 1st rounder, I think its safe to say they never planned on him being a starter (they still don't even like him now).

So we've got some examples of day 3 picks who became starters (Prescott, Cousins), a couple 2nd rounders who didn't really do much for their teams (Osweiler and Garoppolo), and some first rounders from about 10-15 years ago in a completely different era in the league.

In short, no, its not a good enough list. If I were putting together a list, I'd list ALL of the QBs taken in the 3-7th rounds, and show you how many of them you've never heard of, are out of the league, or never reached more than backup status.

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13 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

No way Jernigan gets a 3rd round comp pick. Even if he has a Pro Bowl year and signs a BWill contract. The comp picks are handed out based on ALL of the Free Agents that signed in the off-season -
biggest contracts/best players first. Guys like Cousins, Stafford, Alshon, Freeman, Pryor, Kam, Edelman, Trumaine Johnson, etc, etc will all sign bigger contracts and thus get the 3rd & 4th Round comp picks. IF and a giant IF, Jernigan were to sign a BWill deal, it would probably only net the Eagles a lower 4th to 5th Round pick. Alex Mack signed a $9 million per year deal, went to the Super Bowl and only netted the Browns a 4th Round Comp pick. Also, the DL Free agent class next year is huge - Poe, Logan, Ansah, Kyle Williams, Ngata, Jaye, Hicks, Kawaan, Sheldon Richardson, Star, Sharrif, Crick, Tuitt, etc, etc. Jernigan might not even be in the Top 10 for DL.

Basically any deal less than $10 million per is a 4th Rounder. Anything less than 8 million per is a 5th Rounder.

And all this is moot because even if he has success with the Eagles (better fit in their system) it wouldn't matter because he would NOT put up those kind of numbers in Baltimore this year - which would determine what comp pick we would have gotten had we kept him.

Most of the guys you listed will sign contracts with their EXISTING teams, thus not counting against the comp pick formula. 

 

[Halshayeji]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So if we REALLY look at this, here's what REALLY happened:

1. The Chargers got Rivers because, at the time, Brees was terrible. Go look at his 02-03 numbers in SD and tell me what was impressive about them? Note also that this example is basically 13 years old.

2. Same application for Rodgers. Pretty much the last successful first round draft pick used on a QB that paid off when the incumbent was still good. We're talking about 15 years ago at this point.

3. Garoppolo is a 2nd round pick who has barely played and will leave NE next year. What about that has been a good pick for the Patriots? A 2nd round pick playing like 3 games TOTAL and fetching a comp pick 6 years later that is less than the value he was drafted at is considered a successful pick for that franchise? Really? See Ryan Mallett.

4. Osweiler was a 2nd rounder in a year where the Broncos traded for a guy who basically had a broken neck. Do I need to further explain why they needed to do that? I think its safe to say they'd like to have that pick back, also.

5. Prescott is a day 3 pick.

6. Cousins was a 4th rounder, so another day 3 pick. Given that he was taken the year that they traded the farm for a 1st rounder, I think its safe to say they never planned on him being a starter (they still don't even like him now).

So we've got some examples of day 3 picks who became starters (Prescott, Cousins), a couple 2nd rounders who didn't really do much for their teams (Osweiler and Garoppolo), and some first rounders from about 10-15 years ago in a completely different era in the league.

In short, no, its not a good enough list. If I were putting together a list, I'd list ALL of the QBs taken in the 3-7th rounds, and show you how many of them you've never heard of, are out of the league, or never reached more than backup status.

Each one has a different story. I know. But the same reasons that applied then apply now when it comes to Flacco.

hes not 27 years old, he's had a major injury and had a prity bad year statistically, he's the highest paid quarterback per year in NFL history.

and the Ravens continue to Pamper him instead of having some leverage when negotiating a new contract. I'm not saying get Flaccos replacement but look at the facts and you'll realize that taking a good QB that falls to the second or third is not that bad of an idea.

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7 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

Each one has a different story. I know. But the same reasons that applied then apply now when it comes to Flacco.

hes not 27 years old, he's had a major injury and had a prity bad year statistically, he's the highest paid quarterback per year in NFL history.

and the Ravens continue to Pamper him instead of having some leverage when negotiating a new contract. I'm not saying get Flaccos replacement but look at the facts and you'll realize that taking a good QB that falls to the second or third is not that bad of an idea.

No, those reasons don't apply.

He would need to play as badly as Brees did (which he hasn't), have a broken neck threaten his career like Manning did (which he hasn't), be as brittle as Romo (which he isn't).

Or, if you pulled a Packers or Patriots and draft somebody thinking your guy is nearly done, you wait until they are at least 34-35, which was the case with those two guys. At 32, Joe isn't there yet. It means its a valid discussion to have when we get to 2019-2020, which is what we've all said all along.

Using a first round pick early on a QB gives you leverage in a contract negotiation of his size. Using a 3rd or 4th rounder just makes his agent chuckle and still get his way.

Leverage only works when its actually serious, not perceived.

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7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, those reasons don't apply.

He would need to play as badly as Brees did (which he hasn't), have a broken neck threaten his career like Manning did (which he hasn't), be as brittle as Romo (which he isn't).

Or, if you pulled a Packers or Patriots and draft somebody thinking your guy is nearly done, you wait until they are at least 34-35, which was the case with those two guys. At 32, Joe isn't there yet. It means its a valid discussion to have when we get to 2019-2020, which is what we've all said all along.

Using a first round pick early on a QB gives you leverage in a contract negotiation of his size. Using a 3rd or 4th rounder just makes his agent chuckle and still get his way.

Leverage only works when its actually serious, not perceived.

I give up. I say something and you respond to something else.

I give you examples of the best Franchise QBs and you say it's irrelevant and not enough examples. I tell you we need leverage and you say his agent would chuckle. Then say something like taking a QB with our first when I never said that. Yeah he's been chuckling all along by is not addressing QB position and yet you insist on only taking a third day QB and hoping he becomes a good backup.

so in your world Joe needs to be 39 and half crippled before the FO ever considers drafting a solid QB that could step up when called.

 

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28 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I give up. I say something and you respond to something else.

I give you examples of the best Franchise QBs and you say it's irrelevant and not enough examples. I tell you we need leverage and you say his agent would chuckle. Then say something like taking a QB with our first when I never said that. Yeah he's been chuckling all along by is not addressing QB position and yet you insist on only taking a third day QB and hoping he becomes a good backup.

so in your world Joe needs to be 39 and half crippled before the FO ever considers drafting a solid QB that could step up when called.

 

I'm not responsible for you using bad examples that don't relate in any way to the Ravens or Joe's situation.

In my world (and frankly the real world), Joe needs to be 35-36, on the back end of a large contract, and showing obvious signs of decline (reduced arm strength, weaker decision making, less mobility than he already has). That's when you start looking at QBs, and you probably go ahead and do it in the 1st round.

But stop with all this BS. No reasonable person thinks that drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB this year gives us any sort of leverage. If you actually do think that, you need to get acclimated with what the word "leverage" actually means, and do so quickly, because you don't get it right now. 

And even worse... stop beating around the bush. Just come out and say it. Just say that you don't think Joe should be our QB much longer, and you want us to draft somebody to take his place now. None of this "well lets just draft somebody in the middle rounds and MAYBE he will pan out and MAYBE he will give us leverage and MAYBE he will be as good as Brady". Just own it.

Its been a long, long time since a team used a very high draft pick on a player they had no intention of playing for several years, regardless of position. That includes QB. Rodgers is the last successful case of that. When teams start thinking of life after their current franchise QB, they target somebody early, and they move on within a year or two. Or they wait until they retire and use a first rounder then. That's what teams do. Its not rocket science. You'll see the Giants do it soon. You'll see the Steelers do it soon. You'll see the Chargers do it soon.

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8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm not responsible for you using bad examples that don't relate in any way to the Ravens or Joe's situation.

In my world (and frankly the real world), Joe needs to be 35-36, on the back end of a large contract, and showing obvious signs of decline (reduced arm strength, weaker decision making, less mobility than he already has). That's when you start looking at QBs, and you probably go ahead and do it in the 1st round.

But stop with all this BS. No reasonable person thinks that drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB this year gives us any sort of leverage. If you actually do think that, you need to get acclimated with what the word "leverage" actually means, and do so quickly, because you don't get it right now. 

And even worse... stop beating around the bush. Just come out and say it. Just say that you don't think Joe should be our QB much longer, and you want us to draft somebody to take his place now. None of this "well lets just draft somebody in the middle rounds and MAYBE he will pan out and MAYBE he will give us leverage and MAYBE he will be as good as Brady". Just own it.

Its been a long, long time since a team used a very high draft pick on a player they had no intention of playing for several years, regardless of position. That includes QB. Rodgers is the last successful case of that. When teams start thinking of life after their current franchise QB, they target somebody early, and they move on within a year or two. Or they wait until they retire and use a first rounder then. That's what teams do. Its not rocket science. You'll see the Giants do it soon. You'll see the Steelers do it soon. You'll see the Chargers do it soon.

And once again your putting words in my mouth. When did i ever imply that Joe shouldn't be our QB much longer? This is just you getting defensive for no reason and minipulsting facts to prove your point.

and that's why I'm not continuing this conversation. You win

 

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Those of you who think we should draft a QB are clueless. We have a QB who is good enough and there are a lot of other teams that would die to have him. We also need to remember that the FO keeps changing his Coordinators so he's always been learning a new playbook. He has the highest cap hit of any QB in the league this year and we can't afford to waste a darn draft pick on a QB. We have sooooooo manyyyyyy other holes to fill and QB isn't one for the next 2-3 years.

[manofsteel]

Timmy Jerrigan should have upheld his contract like a man!!! That's all I am saying.!

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2 hours ago, manofsteel said:

Timmy Jerrigan should have upheld his contract like a man!!! That's all I am saying.!

Huhhhh? Please explain....

[playlikeawhat]

Those of you who think we should draft a QB are clueless. We have a QB who is good enough and there are a lot of other teams that would die to have him. We also need to remember that the FO keeps changing his Coordinators so he's always been learning a new playbook. He has the highest cap hit of any QB in the league this year and we can't afford to waste a darn draft pick on a QB. We have sooooooo manyyyyyy other holes to fill and QB isn't one for the next 2-3 years.

AY! Don't go inflaming my shallow mind with all that sane talk. Even though no analyst has ever said 'Joe has all these great weapons, he's simply not using them' I like to pretend he does. Let me revel in my irrational Joe-hate please! /sarcasm

Staying on topic though, Timmy was solid so it's sad to see him go. Couldn't ask for a classier departure given his situation.