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[stixfix69]

If we could have kept guy i would have no issue with the Jernigan trade, hopefully Henry has a strong camp and can assert himself along with the others we have on the roster, but i think we will miss Guy very underrated player IMO....

[budman]

6 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

If we could have kept guy i would have no issue with the Jernigan trade, hopefully Henry has a strong camp and can assert himself along with the others we have on the roster, but i think we will miss Guy very underrated player IMO....

Agree big time on Guy. He will be missed more than fans think. He is one of those players that is not talked about a lot, flashy etc. but he was very good at what he does. Some have compared him to Kruger but he is way better IMo.

I don't have any issue with the Jernigan trade only because there is no guarantee that he has a "ball out" year this year. IMO, we will get just as much production from Pierce, Henry and the others that will rotate in. I think we will be just fine.

[KidNme]

Ya, Jernigan had potential however, he also has potential to cost us a lot of money if he performed lights out this year. I believe we can get more long term value at that position in the draft and moving up as far as we did with that trade will help us immensely. Don't forget, we're allowed more players this year in the off season process so we'll have more opportunity to get that star player who can be coached up and be here under a reasonable contract for 2-3 years. I hate losing him but I do believe we'll get the better of the deal when all is said and done.

[JD08]

Just not sure why the franchise is so in love with Benjamin Watson, he seems like a obvious cut to me, 4 mil would be a nice number to get back. He's a yr older coming off of a torn Achilles and we already have plenty of TE's already

[steelcityraven]

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

[rmcjacket23]

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

[rmcjacket23]

Just not sure why the franchise is so in love with Benjamin Watson, he seems like a obvious cut to me, 4 mil would be a nice number to get back. He's a yr older coming off of a torn Achilles and we already have plenty of TE's already

Can easily keep him around through the offseason program or training camp and have him compete with the other TEs for roster spots.

Also possible that he may not be healthy enough yet to pass a physical, and thus we'd have to give him an injury settlement (same concept as why Kyle Arrington is still on the roster).

Basically about 7-8 months removed from achilles tear. Possible he can't pass a physical.

[jravens1313]

We should be drafting a QB every year. Flacco is a good QB, but we could definitely improve at the position. I'm not saying use a 1st-2nd day pick, but take some shots on guys. It seems ridiculous that we speak of BPA all the time yet would refuse to draft a QB that could compete with Flacco. This year Mahomes is the guy I would target.

[BiggMack91]

i just cant wait for the draft

[stixfix69]

  2 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

If we could have kept guy i would have no issue with the Jernigan trade, hopefully Henry has a strong camp and can assert himself along with the others we have on the roster, but i think we will miss Guy very underrated player IMO....

Agree big time on Guy. He will be missed more than fans think. He is one of those players that is not talked about a lot, flashy etc. but he was very good at what he does. Some have compared him to Kruger but he is way better IMo.

I don't have any issue with the Jernigan trade only because there is no guarantee that he has a "ball out" year this year. IMO, we will get just as much production from Pierce, Henry and the others that will rotate in. I think we will be just fine.

Agree with Pierce, another diamond in the rough Oz found, he like B,Will both are pretty quick for large humans.....

[rmcjacket23]

We should be drafting a QB every year. Flacco is a good QB, but we could definitely improve at the position. I'm not saying use a 1st-2nd day pick, but take some shots on guys. It seems ridiculous that we speak of BPA all the time yet would refuse to draft a QB that could compete with Flacco. This year Mahomes is the guy I would target.

Well, if you want Mahomes, you'll have to use a day 1 or day 2 pick to get him.

Most importantly, you're only going to be able to roster two QBs in a season, because you only get 53 roster spots and they are precious. So unless you want your rookie QB out there playing ST and trying to run down opponents, we're only carrying two.

We don't draft a QB to compete with Flacco for the same reasons that every other team in the league who has a franchise QB doesn't draft a QB to compete.

They use a day 3 pick on a guy they hope can become a decent backup.

[Space11jams]

  32 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

Exactly what I said. No one is going to give you two high draft picks for a guy everyone knows is leaving the following year. The eagle trade makes sense because they still have a third pick but get timmy. Ravens just jump 25 spots which is golden because they can get a starter caliber player.

[stixfix69]

Starting to really like Mike Williams in the 1st if he is available....Wallace probably gone next year, and never know with Perriman's knees....

[steelcityraven]

  48 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

Agreed that this is dependent upon what another team is willing to give up and you are right.... they could just wait a year and get Him...but for teams that are looking to bolster their DL now.... teams that want to win this year and think they have a chance this year.... they don't want to wait and compete with everyone else in FA where the price tag only goes up.

So... it benefits that Eagles to trade now... and sign that extension (like they did). They recognize the benefit in having this quality player this year.

We did not however and while I also agree that we would not get several high picks for him we got zero picks for him. (We just moved up in round 3).

Like I stated before.... I believe that we could have gotten the trade up and a 5th or 6th rounder.

It is what it is at this point.... I just felt like Timmy was worth more then we got for him.

Hope we make the most of that jump up?

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, jravens1313 said:

We should be drafting a QB every year. Flacco is a good QB, but we could definitely improve at the position. I'm not saying use a 1st-2nd day pick, but take some shots on guys. It seems ridiculous that we speak of BPA all the time yet would refuse to draft a QB that could compete with Flacco. This year Mahomes is the guy I would target.

Then you better be prepared to use a 1st or 2nd day pick to get him. 

[balfan23]

Gotta like Timmy's attitude on the swap. No parting jabs at the Ravens ... just eyes forward, looking to help improve his new team and see what new opportunities can be there for him given the change in defensive scheme. 

A far cry from the noise KO was making after we insulted him by not paying LT money for an LG as the Raiders did. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, JD08 said:

Just not sure why the franchise is so in love with Benjamin Watson, he seems like a obvious cut to me, 4 mil would be a nice number to get back. He's a yr older coming off of a torn Achilles and we already have plenty of TE's already

Count me among the bewildered. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

Starting to really like Mike Williams in the 1st if he is available....Wallace probably gone next year, and never know with Perriman's knees....

Regardless of whether Perriman breaks out, Williams is a different animal and would be a great complement to what Perriman could bring to the table. 

This year, it seems none of the experts have a clue of what is going on. Not that they ever really do ... it just feels like this year they are all over the map. You'll see guys going top 10 in mocks that don't even appear in another guys 1st round. And that's not just with QBs ... it is with so many different players. 

Williams is projected pretty widely as well. I happen to be leaning toward the mock projections that have him going before us. It will be super interesting ... if he's on the board, do we take him? I kinda hope so, but what do I know? If he's there and we pass, I'll just assume the guy they picked will serve us better and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they are proven wrong. 

[rmcjacket23]

42 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Agreed that this is dependent upon what another team is willing to give up and you are right.... they could just wait a year and get Him...but for teams that are looking to bolster their DL now.... teams that want to win this year and think they have a chance this year.... they don't want to wait and compete with everyone else in FA where the price tag only goes up.

So... it benefits that Eagles to trade now... and sign that extension (like they did). They recognize the benefit in having this quality player this year.

We did not however and while I also agree that we would not get several high picks for him we got zero picks for him. (We just moved up in round 3).

Like I stated before.... I believe that we could have gotten the trade up and a 5th or 6th rounder.

It is what it is at this point.... I just felt like Timmy was worth more then we got for him.

Hope we make the most of that jump up?

Time is a factor though. As most people realize... those trade offers only get worse after the draft, not get better, because several of the teams looking to add such a player may have drafted one instead.

Simple risk/reward analysis. Do you hold out for a couple more weeks in the hopes of getting a better offer (like you said... maybe a 5th or 6th rounder in addition) and risk not getting a better offer and having that team pull the deal?

 

[steelcityraven]

  39 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  48 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

Exactly what I said. No one is going to give you two high draft picks for a guy everyone knows is leaving the following year. The eagle trade makes sense because they still have a third pick but get timmy. Ravens just jump 25 spots which is golden because they can get a starter caliber player.

yes but understand that we lost a starter and a future 3rd or 4th round draft pick (which would probably also be a starter) to move up 25 spots and get a starter? and you can say yes but we will have a better starter and there is no guarantee there and that is in essence assuming that we will can do more for this franchise by moving up in the third round then we can with a later 3rd round pick and another 3rd or 4th rounder in the future.

[The Beak]

I'm not completely sold on M Williams , yes the measurable are there, but not sure on his route running or desire , I think defense should be focus in first round,
There are really good WR to be had in 2nd and 3rd round

[usmccharles]

25 minutes ago, The Beak said:

I'm not completely sold on M Williams , yes the measurable are there, but not sure on his route running or desire , I think defense should be focus in first round,
There are really good WR to be had in 2nd and 3rd round

The reason you would take a guy like Mwilliams is because of his measurables, you cant teach that.   His route running isn't horrific or anything.  Where ever he goes, he will be a difference maker. 

[rmcjacket23]

25 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

yes but understand that we lost a starter and a future 3rd or 4th round draft pick (which would probably also be a starter) to move up 25 spots and get a starter? and you can say yes but we will have a better starter and there is no guarantee there and that is in essence assuming that we will can do more for this franchise by moving up in the third round then we can with a later 3rd round pick and another 3rd or 4th rounder in the future.

None of which is guaranteed, of course. That comp pick is a full two years away, and there's no guarantee we would even get one or a high one. That's pending what types of FAs we sign. If we signed nobody of significant price value, then yes, we would get that. If we go out and sign a Tony Jefferson type contract, then the risk of not getting a comp pick that high increases.

[gettin real]

Jerrigan said he wasn't getting the snaps because of younger guys? Man he's only 24, I think Harbaugh just doesn't have enough patience with the young guys, they make one or two mistakes and he quickly sits them down, it can't help the confidence that's for sure.

[rmcjacket23]

Jerrigan said he wasn't getting the snaps because of younger guys? Man he's only 24, I think Harbaugh just doesn't have enough patience with the young guys, they make one or two mistakes and he quickly sits them down, it can't help the confidence that's for sure.

He's a Dlineman in a base 3-4. He's going to get rotated in and out frequently. I can guarantee if you he was playing 80-90% of snaps, he wouldn't be generating any pressure in the 4th quarter. The reason half our Dline was so effective is because of how we rotate them.

He will probably be in the 60-70% snap count range in Philly.

[robbie29]

Just not sure why the franchise is so in love with Benjamin Watson, he seems like a obvious cut to me, 4 mil would be a nice number to get back. He's a yr older coming off of a torn Achilles and we already have plenty of TE's already

True, we do have plenty of TEs....but without Watson, look at the guys we've got to work with. Gilmore and Maxx both have injury issues, Boyle is just one PED infraction away from getting kicked off the team, and Waller netted a whopping 85 yards last year. That really just leaves Pitta as a true, go-to TE. While we do have plenty of Quantity at TE, I definitely wouldn't say we have a whole lot of Quality at TE. Obviously, we won't have half these guys on the 53-man roster, but until final cuts are made I say keep all of em and let the best 3 or 4 earn their way on to the final roster.

[Halshayeji]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, if you want Mahomes, you'll have to use a day 1 or day 2 pick to get him.

Most importantly, you're only going to be able to roster two QBs in a season, because you only get 53 roster spots and they are precious. So unless you want your rookie QB out there playing ST and trying to run down opponents, we're only carrying two.

We don't draft a QB to compete with Flacco for the same reasons that every other team in the league who has a franchise QB doesn't draft a QB to compete.

They use a day 3 pick on a guy they hope can become a decent backup.

If the intention is to compete for a job then no. No rookie is gonna come in to push Flacco for his job.

If the intention is having a solid backup on a cheap rookie deal then yes. It's not that out of the ordinary to see teams invest high draft picks on QBs when you have a franchise QB.

Saints drafted a QB in the third two years ago and the Chargers took took Eli/Rivers when they had Breese. A.Rodgers was drafted in the first when Favre was the starter. Brady has a second round QB sitting on the bench. P.Manning had a third rounder in Brock oswiler backing him up for 3 years. Dak Prescott was drafted in the fourth with Romo the starter ad Cousins was drafted in the third when the franchise QB was RG3

I think that's a good enough list for you to recognize that it's not as simple as taking a day 3 guy and hoping he becomes a good backup.

 

 

Edited April 10 by Halshayeji

[TheConquerorWorm]

  5 hours ago, Space11jams said:

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  6 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I think Jernigan will be a solid player for the Eagles and he should have continued success.... I feel like we have the players ready and able to replace him here and I understand the trade.... I just stick by what I said... all along..

I just wish we would have gotten more for him. I disagree with Ozzie's assessment that we got appropriate value. This is a guy who is a starter at minimum. This is a guy who has potential to be a pro-bowler.... a former 2nd round pick. - who we didn't receive a third round pick for but instead moved up in the 3rd round for.

I think Timmy has a greater value then what we got for him. Ozzie has to say that though. We should have moved up in the third and received a 5th for him or moved up in the 2nd and received a 6th.

Completely dependent on another team paying that price.

If I were another team, I'd just wait a year, give you nothing, and sign him myself. He's getting a big contract regardless, and so that's factored in to the price tag.

If this deal were a year or two ago, we probably could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But factored into the cost of the trade is the cost the other team has to pay for the new contract... OR... the risk of not being able to sign him to an extension.

Maybe Jernigan's agent told teams that his client wouldn't sign an extension regardless. If so, that certainly drops his trade value a ton, because he's a one year rental to most teams at that point.

Exactly what I said. No one is going to give you two high draft picks for a guy everyone knows is leaving the following year. The eagle trade makes sense because they still have a third pick but get timmy. Ravens just jump 25 spots which is golden because they can get a starter caliber player.

yes but understand that we lost a starter and a future 3rd or 4th round draft pick (which would probably also be a starter) to move up 25 spots and get a starter? and you can say yes but we will have a better starter and there is no guarantee there and that is in essence assuming that we will can do more for this franchise by moving up in the third round then we can with a later 3rd round pick and another 3rd or 4th rounder in the future.

No way Jernigan gets a 3rd round comp pick. Even if he has a Pro Bowl year and signs a BWill contract. The comp picks are handed out based on ALL of the Free Agents that signed in the off-season -
biggest contracts/best players first. Guys like Cousins, Stafford, Alshon, Freeman, Pryor, Kam, Edelman, Trumaine Johnson, etc, etc will all sign bigger contracts and thus get the 3rd & 4th Round comp picks. IF and a giant IF, Jernigan were to sign a BWill deal, it would probably only net the Eagles a lower 4th to 5th Round pick. Alex Mack signed a $9 million per year deal, went to the Super Bowl and only netted the Browns a 4th Round Comp pick. Also, the DL Free agent class next year is huge - Poe, Logan, Ansah, Kyle Williams, Ngata, Jaye, Hicks, Kawaan, Sheldon Richardson, Star, Sharrif, Crick, Tuitt, etc, etc. Jernigan might not even be in the Top 10 for DL.

Basically any deal less than $10 million per is a 4th Rounder. Anything less than 8 million per is a 5th Rounder.

And all this is moot because even if he has success with the Eagles (better fit in their system) it wouldn't matter because he would NOT put up those kind of numbers in Baltimore this year - which would determine what comp pick we would have gotten had we kept him.

[Ravensfansince03]

Me reacting to trade: I was blown too!! Like I would have dang sure traded away B.Williams before giving away Timmy.

On a serious note, I think this org has made yet another bone-headed mistake in signing Brandon Williams to a huge contract and trading away Jernigan SMH. As soon as a slot opens up for Ravens GM, I'm applying!