The Horsemans draft haul.

[PurpleHorseman]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But you don't trade a first round pick for a player whos gonna be playing on his second contract in a year. It negates the whole first round value thing where you get a stud player on a rookie deal for 5 years, were in no position to do anything of the sort

I know that. And believe me I considered that. I really think Joe Flacco can be a top5 QB with a great dominant line and only needing functional WRs. Flacco when he is comfortable the look over his targets and comfortably set and throw. He throws as beautiful and accurate a football as there is in the league.

The difference in Joe and Ben and Romo and Bree's is those guys can be hurried and find their target intermediate and deep. Joe when hurried makes more bad decisions and checkdown than the great and really good QBs. Evidenced by his failed completions and bad throws/decisions. If you watch him on all22 it jumps out right away on the eye test. 

Not a knock on Joe Flacco. The most successful young QBs this season. Is it any coincidence the top young QBs have the 2 best offensive lines? Bortles is as skilled as Carr and Prescott. But plays behind a bottom 3 offensive line. Jaguars threw all that money and draft picks into defense and forgot their young QB and offensive line! 

When the offensive line dominates. The QB feels comfortable to look over his receivers set and throw. When McKinney held down left tackle and interior line dominated Joe played his best. When the line struggled the next year he responded with his worst year. 

I know Collins would need a contract. But if we got him signed early we could avoid an astronomical Zeitler contract. And in my opinion we have the best RT/Left guard in the NFL. He could play left tackle very well if Stanley is hurt again. Ask all the sec edge rushers the best protector he ever faced any level

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I know that. And believe me I considered that. I really think Joe Flacco can be a top5 QB with a great dominant line and only needing functional WRs. Flacco when he is comfortable the look over his targets and comfortably set and throw. He throws as beautiful and accurate a football as there is in the league.

The difference in Joe and Ben and Romo and Bree's is those guys can be hurried and find their target intermediate and deep. Joe when hurried makes more bad decisions and checkdown than the great and really good QBs. Evidenced by his failed completions and bad throws/decisions. If you watch him on all22 it jumps out right away on the eye test. 

Not a knock on Joe Flacco. The most successful young QBs this season. Is it any coincidence the top young QBs have the 2 best offensive lines? Bortles is as skilled as Carr and Prescott. But plays behind a bottom 3 offensive line. Jaguars threw all that money and draft picks into defense and forgot their young QB and offensive line! 

When the offensive line dominates. The QB feels comfortable to look over his receivers set and throw. When McKinney held down left tackle and interior line dominated Joe played his best. When the line struggled the next year he responded with his worst year. 

I know Collins would need a contract. But if we got him signed early we could avoid an astronomical Zeitler contract. And in my opinion we have the best RT/Left guard in the NFL. He could play left tackle very well if Stanley is hurt again. Ask all the sec edge rushers the best protector he ever faced any level

how on earth do we sign him to a contract that he'd accept after we trade for him? he'd already be in a contact year as someone apparently worth a first round pick... that instantly gives him all the leverage he needs to wait for free agency - and given how much money he lost by going undrafted he is going to milk a team for as much money as they are worth

having a great offensive line is of course crucial but you dont mortgage your potential at other positions like this - it makes so little sense

[Prino61]

Debates like this are going to make me really miss the forum section

[Willbacker]

@PurpleHorseman Gotta give you credit man you definitely think out of the box. I believe Lawson asnd Williams will be drafted before the 47th pick plus Juju should go in the 2nd.

Now with Collins why in the world would the Cowboys even trade. He's very affordable this year and if need to be could stick a 1st rd tender on him the following which would also be our options but yet with a 1st rd pick we could have our player for 5 yrs at an affordable price especially with the way we operate. Now with Olinemen in this draft it would be great if we could trade back but theres 5 linemen that wont be available with our 2nd pick imo. Robinson,Lamp,Bolles,Ramcyk and Feeney. All 5 of these guys could all start for us right now.

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

@PurpleHorseman Gotta give you credit man you definitely think out of the box. I believe Lawson asnd Williams will be drafted before the 47th pick plus Juju should go in the 2nd.

Now with Collins why in the world would the Cowboys even trade. He's very affordable this year and if need to be could stick a 1st rd tender on him the following which would also be our options but yet with a 1st rd pick we could have our player for 5 yrs at an affordable price especially with the way we operate. Now with Olinemen in this draft it would be great if we could trade back but theres 5 linemen that wont be available with our 2nd pick imo. Robinson,Lamp,Bolles,Ramcyk and Feeney. All 5 of these guys could all start for us right now.

Cowboys would only trade him for a round1 pick. It knows what it has there and will eventually get his recognition as one of the best offensive lineman in the game. It would only trade him because money thrown in the line already with Travis,Tyron and zack Martin. And feels it has a great nucleus. And would take the pick to fill voids elsewhere on their roster like cornerbacks and safety.

My family and friends laughed as well when I brought it up. But aren't laughing after watching some of his clips. Yet it is an outside the box move. And he would require a contract. That part is bad. But if he Plays like one of the best overall lineman and players in the league then it is a good decision. At least I think it is. It is all personal preference.

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Cowboys would only trade him for a round1 pick. It knows what it has there and will eventually get his recognition as one of the best offensive lineman in the game. It would only trade him because money thrown in the line already with Travis,Tyron and zack Martin. And feels it has a great nucleus. And would take the pick to fill voids elsewhere on their roster like cornerbacks and safety.

My family and friends laughed as well when I brought it up. But aren't laughing after watching some of his clips. Yet it is an outside the box move. And he would require a contract. That part is bad. But if he Plays like one of the best overall lineman and players in the league then it is a good decision. At least I think it is. It is all personal preference.

But we wouldn't be able to / want to pay him because we'd have a ridiculous amount of money wrapped up on the interior offensive line - and why would we not consider other needs at 16 and get them for 5 years rather than Lael Collins for 2 at most

[Willbacker]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Cowboys would only trade him for a round1 pick. It knows what it has there and will eventually get his recognition as one of the best offensive lineman in the game. It would only trade him because money thrown in the line already with Travis,Tyron and zack Martin. And feels it has a great nucleus. And would take the pick to fill voids elsewhere on their roster like cornerbacks and safety.

My family and friends laughed as well when I brought it up. But aren't laughing after watching some of his clips. Yet it is an outside the box move. And he would require a contract. That part is bad. But if he Plays like one of the best overall lineman and players in the league then it is a good decision. At least I think it is. It is all personal preference.

They lost a guard and a RT and Collins could fill either spot plus that still leaves one opening and the Boys are contenders this to me is why a trade isn't happening.

[52520Andrew]

Collins isn't worth that, Ronald Leary came on when Collins got injured and outperformed him. Just about any draft day scenario wehere we keep the 16th pick is better.

Also -24 votes is pretty impressive

[PurpleHorseman]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

But we wouldn't be able to / want to pay him because we'd have a ridiculous amount of money wrapped up on the interior offensive line - and why would we not consider other needs at 16 and get them for 5 years rather than Lael Collins for 2 at most

Glad you asked that. If we give him a contract early we could probably get him at 5 yrs $40mil. We have contracts coming off the books like Suggs probably retires after season. Dumervil was cut. Wallace coming off books. Yanda is no spring chicken. Working out a cap friendly contract is part of the trade to consider. If management waits til he is recognized as one of if not the best offensive lineman in the game. Then we probably couldn't resign him. 

It is my opinion the modern NFL runs through the offensive line. Controlling the line. It makes Joe that good. It helps the run game. It allows receivers to work routes. It can sustain drives with mix of run and throw. And make your opponent tired while ravens defense is fresh. A It would allow a bigger mix of formations. Keep opponents guessing between run and throw. A 2TE and fullback Running back one WR set would appear like a running play. But the protection and dominance at the line would allow the TE's FB and Dixon to get into routes from the backfield with intermediate distance as opposed to only a checkdown throw. That's only an example.

[PurpleHorseman]

10 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Collins isn't worth that, Ronald Leary came on when Collins got injured and outperformed him. Just about any draft day scenario wehere we keep the 16th pick is better.

Also -24 votes is pretty impressive

Leary didn't outplay him. Look at their tape. When Elam and Upshaw were called busts the negs were impressive. And it didn't help Elam perform and didn't help Upshaw get to the QB.lol if negs helped Upshaw he would own the sack record!! And do you want to go on that limb and say Leary is better than Collins? He is solid but he isn't better than Collins

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Leary didn't outplay him. Look at their tape. When Elam and Upshaw were called busts the negs were impressive. And it didn't help Elam perform and didn't help Upshaw get to the QB.lol if negs helped Upshaw he would own the sack record!! And do you want to go on that limb and say Leary is better than Collins? He is solid but he isn't better than Collins

Uh yeah he did, you look at the tape.

[PurpleHorseman]

10 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Uh yeah he did, you look at the tape.

No he didn't. Collins was the top ranked guard when he played. Will you be on RSR next year because I'm   saving this thread!!

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Leary didn't outplay him. Look at their tape. When Elam and Upshaw were called busts the negs were impressive. And it didn't help Elam perform and didn't help Upshaw get to the QB.lol if negs helped Upshaw he would own the sack record!! And do you want to go on that limb and say Leary is better than Collins? He is solid but he isn't better than Collins

 

27 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Uh yeah he did, you look at the tape.

 

15 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

No he didn't. Collins was the top ranked guard when he played. Will you be on RSR next year because I'm   saving this thread!!

Why am I suddenly watching a pantomime?

[52520Andrew]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

No he didn't. Collins was the top ranked guard when he played. Will you be on RSR next year because I'm   saving this thread!!

Lol when was he ever the top ranked guard? Maybe in your head but Yanda blows him out of the water, K.O. as well. Really not helping your case. Collins is not even the best guard on his team(they have this guy named Zach Martin fyi) and is the 4th best lineman(behind Smith, Frederick, and Martin). 5th best last year but lucky for him, Leary got paid in FA for outplaying him last year.

Sorry but the Cowboys would be laughing all the way to the bank if you asked them for a trade like that. I could maybe see a 3rd rounder but the 16th pick? For a guard who we would then have to pay a ton of money to keep next year? That is just silly.

[hn68wb4]

39 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

No he didn't. Collins was the top ranked guard when he played. Will you be on RSR next year because I'm   saving this thread!!

By what metric was Collins ever the top ranked guard? I know you're not talking about PFF because they certainly never had him as such, in fact in their end of the season rankings they even acknowledged that the Cowboys line got better when he was replaced with Leary. All I can find with him as the "top ranked guard" was one game from two years ago.

Honestly, you keep telling other people to watch tape on him, but I'd wager the only thing you've ever seen of him is his highlight reel. That is literally the only way you can even begin to claim that he's currently a top guard in any facet of the game.

Edited April 8 by hn68wb4

[52520Andrew]

6 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why am I suddenly watching a pantomime?

Sorry, haven't had fun on here in a while and someone saying to trade the 16th pick for a guard a year from free agency is just too good to pass up.

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Sorry, haven't had fun on here in a while and someone saying to trade the 16th pick for a guard a year from free agency is just too good to pass up.

I'm having fun watching all the peeps that don't realize he is going to be the best lineman in the game. Not often a 6'5 320lb mauler moves that fast and fluid. He routinely pancakes 2 players on one play. Some on here say Dallas wouldn't part with him. You think he is expendable for a round3 pick. Lmao

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

By what metric was Collins ever the top ranked guard? I know you're not talking about PFF because they certainly never had him as such, in fact in their end of the season rankings they even acknowledged that the Cowboys line got better when he was replaced with Leary. All I can find with him as the "top ranked guard" was one game from two years ago.

Honestly, you keep telling other people to watch tape on him, but I'd wager the only thing you've ever seen of him is his highlight reel. That is literally the only way you can even begin to claim that he's currently a top guard in any facet of the game.

Seriously?? He was one of my favorite players in college. And through the process 

[rossihunter2]

51 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm having fun watching all the peeps that don't realize he is going to be the best lineman in the game. Not often a 6'5 320lb mauler moves that fast and fluid. He routinely pancakes 2 players on one play. Some on here say Dallas wouldn't part with him. You think he is expendable for a round3 pick. Lmao

he's not even the best young lineman on his own team

here are all the lineman in the league off the top of my head who have proven themselves better than lael collins: travis frederick, zach martin, tyron smith, joe thomas, andrew whitworth, trent williams, kelechi osemele, marshal yanda, donald penn, alex mack, joe thomas, ronnie stanley, jack conklin, laremy tunsil, taylor decker, joel bitonio, taylor lewan, brandon scherff, david decastro, kevin zeitler, richie incognito, bryan bulaga, matt paradis, terron armstead, trai turner, josh sitton, tj lang, mitchell schwartz, lane johnson, jason peters...

and many more... now linemen are obviously crucially important and often younger guys grow into their roles so its feasible and likely that lael collins improves - but if you look at my above list you will notice that it contains lots of guys of both similar ages and younger who have already surpassed him - even if he has a vast improvement i still dont see "best lineman in the game" potential given that that would be a huge turnaround at this point - and you could argue we already made it clear how much we value guys who are ascending and better than lael collins with the way that KO managed to get priced out of town - there's no way we let KO walk essentially for a 3rd round pick and then we spend a 1st round pick on lael collins... it makes zero sense to me

[52520Andrew]

44 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm having fun watching all the peeps that don't realize he is going to be the best lineman in the game. Not often a 6'5 320lb mauler moves that fast and fluid. He routinely pancakes 2 players on one play. Some on here say Dallas wouldn't part with him. You think he is expendable for a round3 pick. Lmao

That is all I would pay for him if that, now if Zach Martin or Travis Frederick were on the trading block I'd be for giving up a decent amount although giving up 16 for almost anyone is still a really stupid move. The fact you think giving up that much draft capital is worth it tells me just how inexperienced at this you are.

47 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Seriously?? He was one of my favorite players in college. And through the process 

Ah there it is, he is big and was one of your favorite players. Well shoot, I remember Ramon Harewood was even bigger, so maybe we should bring him back too, really help our line out. 

Also Collins being 6'5" is really important, really helps him get leverage over shorter defenders because we all know the high man wins right?

We all have draft crushes but just because they are your favorite player doesn't really mean much and is a great way to get burned when evaluating draft prospects. Happens to everyone here and you can't let stuff like that cloud your judgement when evaluating these guys.

Heck it happens all the time here even with current players. There was a time where people thought guys like Marlon Brown and Asa Jackson would be good for us. Players get hyped in camp every year and a lot of people get hit with a reality check come the regular season and those guys disappoint. Sometimes it works out like with Rick Wagner or Zach Orr but often we get Elams, Tommy Streeters, Aaron Mellettes, or Gino Gradkowskis.

Collins while a solid Guard is not worth giving up our 16th pick. In the current state of the NFL, draft picks are crazy valuable not just because guys are young but also because in the CBA they are dirt cheap. If you get a good player at a pick, you can get great value out of them in comparison to their actual worth. Once they are done their rookie contract however they get paid market value and FA prices are rarely a bargain for a team. We would only have Collins a year before having to pay him market value while with the 16th pick we get a potential stud for 4 or 5 years at a good price(see CJ Mosley or Ronnie Stanley, our latest top 20 picks). 

[Cville-Raven]

A top 20 pick for la'el Collins? Please tell me this is some trolling?

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

That is all I would pay for him if that, now if Zach Martin or Travis Frederick were on the trading block I'd be for giving up a decent amount although giving up 16 for almost anyone is still a really stupid move. The fact you think giving up that much draft capital is worth it tells me just how inexperienced at this you are.

Ah there it is, he is big and was one of your favorite players. Well shoot, I remember Ramon Harewood was even bigger, so maybe we should bring him back too, really help our line out. 

Also Collins being 6'5" is really important, really helps him get leverage over shorter defenders because we all know the high man wins right?

We all have draft crushes but just because they are your favorite player doesn't really mean much and is a great way to get burned when evaluating draft prospects. Happens to everyone here and you can't let stuff like that cloud your judgement when evaluating these guys.

Heck it happens all the time here even with current players. There was a time where people thought guys like Marlon Brown and Asa Jackson would be good for us. Players get hyped in camp every year and a lot of people get hit with a reality check come the regular season and those guys disappoint. Sometimes it works out like with Rick Wagner or Zach Orr but often we get Elams, Tommy Streeters, Aaron Mellettes, or Gino Gradkowskis.

Collins while a solid Guard is not worth giving up our 16th pick. In the current state of the NFL, draft picks are crazy valuable not just because guys are young but also because in the CBA they are dirt cheap. If you get a good player at a pick, you can get great value out of them in comparison to their actual worth. Once they are done their rookie contract however they get paid market value and FA prices are rarely a bargain for a team. We would only have Collins a year before having to pay him market value while with the 16th pick we get a potential stud for 4 or 5 years at a good price(see CJ Mosley or Ronnie Stanley, our latest top 20 picks). 

I agree with most of this except great players with rare skills shatters the rules of cheap players. If Lael Collins isn't recognized as the best lineman in the league next year I have no problem acknowledging this is a bad idea. I'm usually the one saying trade a round1 pick for multiple round2 and 3 picks. And trading players over 30 for draft picks. But once in a while a players potential curbstomps that strategy. I wanted to trade Dumevil for a round 3 after our 1-4 record. But I think this happens to be a rare opportunity to add an anchor to work toward a dominant offensive line. I don't disagree it's on the unorthodox side. But it's my personal evaluation of.

[52520Andrew]

12 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I agree with most of this except great players with rare skills shatters the rules of cheap players. If Lael Collins isn't recognized as the best lineman in the league next year I have no problem acknowledging this is a bad idea. I'm usually the one saying trade a round1 pick for multiple round2 and 3 picks. And trading players over 30 for draft picks. But once in a while a players potential curbstomps that strategy. I wanted to trade Dumevil for a round 3 after our 1-4 record. But I think this happens to be a rare opportunity to add an anchor to work toward a dominant offensive line. I don't disagree it's on the unorthodox side. But it's my personal evaluation of.

Don't see Collins as being worth that much. For reference, Chandler Jones, one of the better edge rushers in the NFL was moved for a late 2nd rounder last year with one year left before FA. Even if Collins was a top tier guard, #16 overall is a ton to give up for that position and I'd take Chandler Jones over a top tier guard any day of the week. 

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Don't see Collins as being worth that much. For reference, Chandler Jones, one of the better edge rushers in the NFL was moved for a late 2nd rounder last year with one year left before FA. Even if Collins was a top tier guard, #16 overall is a ton to give up for that position and I'd take Chandler Jones over a top tier guard any day of the week. 

i can only think of 3 first rounders traded away for existing players: sam bradford - desperation move to not waste a season, trent richardson - stupid move made by a terrible gm who likely wont ever be a gm again, brandin cooks - a late first rounder for a player with immense scheme-value... a move that still feels expensive but i guess they can exercise his option so can get him for 2 years...

[52520Andrew]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i can only think of 3 first rounders traded away for existing players: sam bradford - desperation move to not waste a season, trent richardson - stupid move made by a terrible gm who likely wont ever be a gm again, brandin cooks - a late first rounder for a player with immense scheme-value... a move that still feels expensive but i guess they can exercise his option so can get him for 2 years...

Don't forget the Seahawks trading Unger and their first rounder for Jimmy Graham, not a great deal for them to be honest.

[PurpleHorseman]

8 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

That is all I would pay for him if that, now if Zach Martin or Travis Frederick were on the trading block I'd be for giving up a decent amount although giving up 16 for almost anyone is still a really stupid move. The fact you think giving up that much draft capital is worth it tells me just how inexperienced at this you are.

Ah there it is, he is big and was one of your favorite players. Well shoot, I remember Ramon Harewood was even bigger, so maybe we should bring him back too, really help our line out. 

Also Collins being 6'5" is really important, really helps him get leverage over shorter defenders because we all know the high man wins right?

We all have draft crushes but just because they are your favorite player doesn't really mean much and is a great way to get burned when evaluating draft prospects. Happens to everyone here and you can't let stuff like that cloud your judgement when evaluating these guys.

Heck it happens all the time here even with current players. There was a time where people thought guys like Marlon Brown and Asa Jackson would be good for us. Players get hyped in camp every year and a lot of people get hit with a reality check come the regular season and those guys disappoint. Sometimes it works out like with Rick Wagner or Zach Orr but often we get Elams, Tommy Streeters, Aaron Mellettes, or Gino Gradkowskis.

Collins while a solid Guard is not worth giving up our 16th pick. In the current state of the NFL, draft picks are crazy valuable not just because guys are young but also because in the CBA they are dirt cheap. If you get a good player at a pick, you can get great value out of them in comparison to their actual worth. Once they are done their rookie contract however they get paid market value and FA prices are rarely a bargain for a team. We would only have Collins a year before having to pay him market value while with the 16th pick we get a potential stud for 4 or 5 years at a good price(see CJ Mosley or Ronnie Stanley, our latest top 20 picks). 

I agree with most of this except great players with rare skills shatters the rules of cheap players. If Lael Collins isn't recognized as the best lineman in the league next year I have no problem acknowledging this is a bad idea. I'm usually the one saying trade a round1 pick for multiple round2 and 3 picks. And trading players over 30 for draft picks. But once in a while a players potential curbstomps that strategy. I wanted to trade Dumevil for a round 3 after our 1-4 record. But I think this happens to be a rare opportunity to get a rare talent along the offensive line.

Somebody said you don't forget different positions for the offensive line. Position'(s) how many are we addressing with one pick? What if we were to take Lamp and he is a bust? And Collins is recognized as the best offensive lineman in the game. So it's a game of leverage and your takeaway is height is a bad thing?  Comparing Lael Collins to Harewood based on height? Show me one clip of a harewood pancake. Osemele is nearly 6'6 and is the best guard in the league. Lewis is 6'6 and Harbaugh believes he is a future pro bowler.

[PurpleHorseman]

6 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i can only think of 3 first rounders traded away for existing players: sam bradford - desperation move to not waste a season, trent richardson - stupid move made by a terrible gm who likely wont ever be a gm again, brandin cooks - a late first rounder for a player with immense scheme-value... a move that still feels expensive but i guess they can exercise his option so can get him for 2 years...

The dude that traded a round1 for Trent should of been taken to a crazy house. lol.This runner that is taken down easy, is not elusive and runs scared. Trade for him and turn him loose behind your mud pile of an offensive line and think he is breaking out? Who made him a GM?  He signed a well over his prime running back and WR as well.

[PurpleHorseman]

9 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Don't see Collins as being worth that much. For reference, Chandler Jones, one of the better edge rushers in the NFL was moved for a late 2nd rounder last year with one year left before FA. Even if Collins was a top tier guard, #16 overall is a ton to give up for that position and I'd take Chandler Jones over a top tier guard any day of the week. 

I would prefer an elite guard/RT to chandler Jones. Collins will eventually play RT in Dallas and get recognized as one of the best lineman in the game. Edge rushers are great to have. But I'm going to prioritize the offensive line without question. Collins dominated all the elite sec edge rushers. He was Mayock's top offensive lineman in a draft where 6 I believe went in round1. 

Your Ron Leary idea isn't bad. We should of signed him. He has a powerful anchor. Ask jj watt. He isn't as mobile as Collins and can't play tackle like Collins. and isn't quite the drive blocker because he can't run his feet quite like Collins. But he gets to next level well enough and his anchor is as good as it gets.

If we would of signed Leary the question is could Lewis play RT? Harbaugh is very adamant about the guard thing but I think he could play RT very well if given opportunity. If we could have signed Leary then Lewis would have to play Tackle. Unless we drafted Cam or Lamp to play Tackle. Harbaugh said Lewis at center was an option. But I think Lamp would be better for Center. Any of those scenarios would of put our offensive line complete and dominant to add Leary then Draft One of Lamp/Cam. Lewis I do think is going to be good

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I would prefer an elite guard/RT to chandler Jones. Collins will eventually play RT in Dallas and get recognized as one of the best lineman in the game. Edge rushers are great to have. But I'm going to prioritize the offensive line without question. Collins dominated all the elite sec edge rushers. He was Mayock's top offensive lineman in a draft where 6 I believe went in round1. 

Your Ron Leary idea isn't bad. We should of signed him. He has a powerful anchor. Ask jj watt. He isn't as mobile as Collins and can't play tackle like Collins. and isn't quite the drive blocker because he can't run his feet quite like Collins. But he gets to next level well enough and his anchor is as good as it gets.

If we would of signed Leary the question is could Lewis play RT? Harbaugh is very adamant about the guard thing but I think he could play RT very well if given opportunity. If we could have signed Leary then Lewis would have to play Tackle. Unless we drafted Cam or Lamp to play Tackle. Harbaugh said Lewis at center was an option. But I think Lamp would be better for Center. Any of those scenarios would of put our offensive line complete and dominant to add Leary then Draft One of Lamp/Cam. Lewis I do think is going to be good

i would sacrifice an elite RT for a serviceable RT to have a pair of elite guards, no question. RT is simply the least important position probably on the entire offense its the most avoidable and visible area of attack from a qb/rb perspective and a good pass rusher vs a weak RT can actually be exploited quite easily with designed dumpoffs, edge rushers simply dont tend to have the discipline to cover the safety valve when given an easy rush and its the most effortless pass a qb could make, that rush often leaves a nice fat void to exploit given the alignment is right(basically have the slot to the left and run the strongside TE across the field). 

how do you think brady so often exploits edge rushers and why do you think they so often emphasize pass catching rbs? its extremely effective, we did it very well when we had ray rice and michael oher was stinkin up the joint. but this tactic will fail often if the center and guard is getting shoved into the qbs lap, as will every tactic. 

i would, without question, take cam robinson or forrest lamp at 16 and kick alex lewis out to RT and leave collins the hell alone, not worth the payday he'll want after a year and not worth the investment to trade for. plus i think both cam and lamp project to just be better guards than collins, they both could struggle as tackles where collins would be serviceable, but theres no point investing so much into collins to be a serviceable RT when you can find those kinds of guys pretty easily. honestly i think you are just way too sold on collins. not to say hes a bad player, but i dont see anything close to this "best OL in the league" you see, not even top 10 at his given position. coming out of college i thought he was a solid prospect as a swing guy and nothing more and his play in the NFL has only reinforced that opinion. 

is he even gonna start over leary in 2017?

[jazz1988]

On 4/7/2017 at 11:51 PM, PurpleHorseman said:

Were up to18 negs and not one member has stated a better offensive lineman we can get in this draft than Le'el Collins. Tell us a better offensive lineman we can get and even an equal one and I'll be happy to change the pick. Until then it is my mock. Trust me I would prefer a rookie but this is a weak draft for offensive lineman. 

 

I really like Taylor Moton  and he reminds me alot of K.O