The Horsemans draft haul.

[PurpleHorseman]

Hey ravens nation. Time for an updated mock Lets get to it shall we

Round1. Trading the No.16 pick to the cowboys for Le'el Collins and their round3 pick. I know it is an unorthodox move. But consider this. It is a very weak offensive line class. Nobody checks all the boxes. Cam plays with power but his athleticism is not left tackle quality. There are questions about Right Tackle. Lamp is a good player but not the mauler Collins is. Ramczyk is a good all around Tackle but not impressive in any category. In most drafts he is a round2-3 pick but draft is weak on lineman.

Collins can play anywhere on the line at a high level. If he were in this draft he would be the No.1 Offensive lineman off the board. Not even close. He routinely blocks multiple defensive lineman and linebackers. And pancakes them. He is very fluid for a big 6'4 320lbs. Very natural blocker with technique and feel for the position. He not only handled sec edge rushers. He made it look easy and embarrassed them. If you have all22 it is clear he stands out more than anybody on the talented Dallas line. Not even close. He moves well enough to pancake Bobby Wagner and Earl Thomas on the same play. He is eventually going to be recognized as one of the best offensive lineman in the NFL! He is fluid, explosive,powerful and nasty. If not for his injury last year he probably would already be an all  pro lineman.

Round2 Carl Lawson. If he falls to this spot Tim Williams but he likely won't be available.

Round3 JuJu Smith Schuster

Round3 Cameron Sutton/Corn Elder/best cornerback available 

Round3 Jordan Morgan

Round4DJ Jones. One of the most underrated players in this draft. At 6'0 320lbs he has very unusual explosion,flexibility and balance. He can play NT and penetrator. Bigger version of Grady Jarrett.

Round5 Chad Kelly. Why not take a chance on him. He has the best arm talent in the draft. He makes some throws with the confidence most QBs have on routine shorter throws. many NFL QBs would not attempt much less QBs in this draft class. Mayock Jerimiah and Davis are highly anticipating this dudes proday he postponed for a reason. Analysts and scouts really want to see this dude throw. He has a lot of coaching up and taming to do as many college QBs do. He is a wild stallion gunslinger with elite arm skill. He has several years to learn behind Joe Flacco

i know most fans will not give props to a player it thinks will never be a raven. Perriman is a shining example. Nobody liked him as a round1 pick before the draft. Now those same fans get mad when somebody says he was a reach and probably not a No. 1WR. And those people know who you are but will never acknowledge it. But show me a better draft      day scenario.

Edited April 7 by PurpleHorseman

[Edgar]

This is ill conceived 

 

 

 

 

[PurpleHorseman]

8 hours ago, Edgar said:

This is ill conceived 

 

 

 

 

 

[jboy19]

Collins is coming off an injury and technically in a contract year (RFA next season). Plus the Cowboys need him since Leary and Free are gone. So that won't happen. 

Lawson is a decent value pick in Round 2, but I expect he'll be gone by then. Same with JJSS, but if he's there in the third I think he's a good pick up. 

Would love Sutton or Elder in the 3rd think both are gonna be pretty good. I'd take Elder over Sutton at this point because I think Elder would be a good returner. 

Haven't watched much of Morgan or Jones, but wouldn't complain about either depending on the board. 

Chad Kelly is going undrafted. 

[PurpleHorseman]

17 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Collins is coming off an injury and technically in a contract year (RFA next season). Plus the Cowboys need him since Leary and Free are gone. So that won't happen. 

Lawson is a decent value pick in Round 2, but I expect he'll be gone by then. Same with JJSS, but if he's there in the third I think he's a good pick up. 

Would love Sutton or Elder in the 3rd think both are gonna be pretty good. I'd take Elder over Sutton at this point because I think Elder would be a good returner. 

Haven't watched much of Morgan or Jones, but wouldn't complain about either depending on the board. 

Chad Kelly is going undrafted. 

Cowboys have already shopped him.  Go look it up. Because of their needs and can't pay a lineman after paying  Smith Frederick and Martin. Players get injured all the time. How many times has Perriman been injured? You have hopes for him? Lawson and JuJu may not be there. When Chad Kelly throws in a couple weeks at his own personal proday we will revisit your comment that he is going undrafted.  And highlight this thread for draft day. And see if Chad Kelly is undrafted.

Edited April 7 by PurpleHorseman

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Cowboys have already shopped him.  Go look it up. Because of their needs and can't pay a lineman after paying  Smith Frederick and Martin. Players get injured all the time. How many times has Perriman been injured? You have hopes for him? Lawson and JuJu may not be there. When Chad Kelly throws in a couple weeks at his own personal proday we will revisit your comment that he is going undrafted.  And highlight this thread for draft day. And see if Chad Kelly is undrafted.

The Cowboys shopped him last year, but he's cheap and they can't afford a replacement for him this year. 

I definitely wasn't knocking thw JuJu pick, I'm not his biggest fan, but I think a 3rd rounder on him is fair. I have high hopes for Perriman like probably every other Ravens fan does- but I'd still prefer a receiver or 2 be taken in the draft. 

I wouldn't be dumbfounded by any means if Kelly got drafted late, but I would be surprised. But I think his injury and off-field concerns probably hold him back in a way that his pro day won't help. Not saying whether or not he deserves it, but that's just how it is. 

[PurpleHorseman]

3 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

The Cowboys shopped him last year, but he's cheap and they can't afford a replacement for him this year. 

I definitely wasn't knocking thw JuJu pick, I'm not his biggest fan, but I think a 3rd rounder on him is fair. I have high hopes for Perriman like probably every other Ravens fan does- but I'd still prefer a receiver or 2 be taken in the draft. 

I wouldn't be dumbfounded by any means if Kelly got drafted late, but I would be surprised. But I think his injury and off-field concerns probably hold him back in a way that his pro day won't help. Not saying whether or not he deserves it, but that's just how it is. 

Jones would never part with him for a round3 pick. When he played he stood out most  on the best offensive line in the league. He could very well eventually be recognized as the best lineman in the league. He probably has most pancake blocks on a per snap basis. He blocks 2 players with regularity. Not often you find a mauler with that kind of fluidity and mobility. He would be a standout RT if cowboys didn't already have Tyron

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Hey ravens nation. Time for an updated mock Lets get to it shall we

Round1. Trading the No.16 pick to the cowboys for Le'el Collins and their round3 pick. I know it is an unorthodox move. But consider this. It is a very weak offensive line class. Nobody checks all the boxes. Cam plays with power but his athleticism is not left tackle quality. There are questions about Right Tackle. Lamp is a good player but not the mauler Collins is. Ramczyk is a good all around Tackle but not impressive in any category. In most drafts he is a round2-3 pick but draft is weak on lineman.

Collins can play anywhere on the line at a high level. If he were in this draft he would be the No.1 Offensive lineman off the board. Not even close. He routinely blocks multiple defensive lineman and linebackers. And pancakes them. He is very fluid for a big 6'4 320lbs. Very natural blocker with technique and feel for the position. He not only handled sec edge rushers. He made it look easy and embarrassed them. If you have all22 it is clear he stands out more than anybody on the talented Dallas line. Not even close. He moves well enough to pancake Bobby Wagner and Earl Thomas on the same play. He is eventually going to be recognized as one of the best offensive lineman in the NFL! He is fluid, explosive,powerful and nasty. If not for his injury last year he probably would already be an all  pro lineman.

Round2 Carl Lawson. If he falls to this spot Tim Williams but he likely won't be available.

Round3 JuJu Smith Schuster

Round3 Cameron Sutton/Corn Elder/best cornerback available 

Round3 Jordan Morgan

Round4DJ Jones. One of the most underrated players in this draft. At 6'0 320lbs he has very unusual explosion,flexibility and balance. He can play NT and penetrator. Bigger version of Grady Jarrett.

Round5 Chad Kelly. Why not take a chance on him. He has the best arm talent in the draft. He makes some throws with the confidence most QBs have on routine shorter throws. many NFL QBs would not attempt much less QBs in this draft class. Mayock Jerimiah and Davis are highly anticipating this dudes proday he postponed for a reason. Analysts and scouts really want to see this dude throw. He has a lot of coaching up and taming to do as many college QBs do. He is a wild stallion gunslinger with elite arm skill. He has several years to learn behind Joe Flacco

i know most fans will not give props to a player it thinks will never be a raven. Perriman is a shining example. Nobody liked him as a round1 pick before the draft. Now those same fans get mad when somebody says he was a reach and probably not a No. 1WR. And those people know who you are but will never acknowledge it. But show me a better draft      day scenario.

Seriously? Why 3rd round? The Cowboys will give up their 1st round pick in a heartbeat for a deal such as this. After witnessing what we got in trade value for Jernigan you still pose this possibility?  Even trading down for the Cowboys first would be absurd in my view. The differential is 340 points between the Cowboys first and ours. That equates to pick #56 in the second round! So you believe that somebody would give up #56 to trade for Collins?? Come on man!

[PurpleHorseman]

25 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Seriously? Why 3rd round? The Cowboys will give up their 1st round pick in a heartbeat for a deal such as this. After witnessing what we got in trade value for Jernigan you still pose this possibility?  Even trading down for the Cowboys first would be absurd in my view. The differential is 340 points between the Cowboys first and ours. That equates to pick #56 in the second round! So you believe that somebody would give up #56 to trade for Collins?? Come on man!

Yep. Comparing Jernigan to Collins? Come on man!! BTW cowboys were offered at round2 for him and refused it. He is a stud that cowboys would only part with because it can't sign him to a long contract. Although he is the most impressive lineman when he is out there. Watch his clips before commenting. He is awesome.

Edited April 7 by PurpleHorseman

[Dubs]

It is interesting--I will just say I think the Panthers used a 2nd round tender on Andrew Norwell, I think I would rather that if we did something like what you are suggesting..but I still would rather we keep the pick. The difficulty for me is that La'el Collins is close to getting his second contract and if he plays up to his potential (which he has not yet) than we likely would just let him walk. I would much rather we just draft an OL at some point keep our first, have several good years and plan for a contract extension if/when it all works out

[hn68wb4]

I'd never accept that trade. Collins is an inconsistent, raw blocker that is injury prone. Sure he throws out some highlight reel blocks every now and then, but I'd much rather have a guy that shows up every play rather than only once in a while. Also I disagree about the oline class, the OT class is weak, the interior class is pretty damn strong. Lamp, Feeny, and Robinson are all, in my opinion, great guards from day one. And after them there are a lot of guys with lots of potential, i.e. Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton can play OG or OT and we have always valued versatile linemen, Dorian Johnson is another potentially good OG from the start. Interior line class is fine, gets a bad wrap because of the weak tackles. We can sit back and take a lineman that is just as good as Collins right now considering we could very well have our pick of the entire class. Not to mention the Cowboys will not trade their starting LG, they shopped Collins last year while they still had Leary, not the case anymore, they value their line obviously and won't let it take another step back.

The rest of the draft is fine, just that trade is ridiculous.

And I'll be your daily reminder that we aren't taking Chad Kelly and he's not a HOF talent.

Edited April 7 by hn68wb4

[Cillmatic]

HELL NO to the first round and Chad Kelly stalks "adult actresses", gets into fights and in general he's just a freaking creep. You can look at the guy and tell that he's bad news. Harbaugh would have beef with Ozzie if that happened. I don't understand why so many people here want him.

Edited April 7 by Cillmatic

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

HELL NO to the first round and Chad Kelly stalks "adult actresses", gets into fights and in general he's just a freaking creep. You can look at the guy and tell that he's bad news. Harbaugh would have beef with Ozzie if that happened. I don't understand why so many people here want him.

Literally only one person on this entire forum wants him

Edited April 7 by hn68wb4

[Cillmatic]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Literally only one person on this entire forum wants him

Loud minority I guess, lol. I just remembered the night club incident. This idiot litterally threatened to get his AK-47 and shoot the club up.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/12/21/7432307/chad-kelly-arrested-brawl-ak-47-encore

This guy doesn't belong in the PUBLIC, what makes people think he belongs on a football team?

Edited April 7 by Cillmatic

[Jonah DeVito]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

Loud minority I guess, lol. I just remembered the night club incident. This idiot litterally threatened to get his AK-47 and shoot the club up.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/12/21/7432307/chad-kelly-arrested-brawl-ak-47-encore

 

This guy doesn't belong in the PUBLIC, what makes people think he belongs on a football team?

Hahaha "he doesn't belong in public". The desire for him stems from him being Jim Kelly's nephew, as well as the kid also having obvious talent that can be had in such a late round. But you are right, he's nothing close to a stand up guy and unless he completely turns his life around there's no room for him in the NFL. 

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yep. Comparing Jernigan to Collins? Come on man!! BTW cowboys were offered at round2 for him and refused it. He is a stud that cowboys would only part with because it can't sign him to a long contract. Although he is the most impressive lineman when he is out there. Watch his clips before commenting. He is awesome.

ok then. That's that.

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Cowboys have already shopped him.  Go look it up. Because of their needs and can't pay a lineman after paying  Smith Frederick and Martin. Players get injured all the time. How many times has Perriman been injured? You have hopes for him? Lawson and JuJu may not be there. When Chad Kelly throws in a couple weeks at his own personal proday we will revisit your comment that he is going undrafted.  And highlight this thread for draft day. And see if Chad Kelly is undrafted.

Well there's definitely no way we would give up a 1st round pick for a udfa lineman with 1 year NFL starting experience for a 1 year rental - and he wasn't even a top 3-4 lineman in his own draft before his dramatic fall anyway

i know you love kelly but why would we draft him and when would he play or how would he even make the roster because there is no way we'd carry more than 2 qbs and we already have both our starter and our backup at this point - any other qbs we bring in are purely camp arms

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Hahaha "he doesn't belong in public". The desire for him stems from him being Jim Kelly's nephew, as well as the kid also having obvious talent that can be had in such a late round. But you are right, he's nothing close to a stand up guy and unless he completely turns his life around there's no room for him in the NFL. 

Somebody reported he said that. His teammates really like and respect him. Young dudes get into altercations. It happens. He has put it behind him and becoming a better adult. He has never punched his gf in the face like Rice did.

30 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Well there's definitely no way we would give up a 1st round pick for a udfa lineman with 1 year NFL starting experience for a 1 year rental - and he wasn't even a top 3-4 lineman in his own draft before his dramatic fall anyway

i know you love kelly but why would we draft him and when would he play or how would he even make the roster because there is no way we'd carry more than 2 qbs and we already have both our starter and our backup at this point - any other qbs we bring in are purely camp arms

The saints and Giants considered him and probably would of drafted him. He isn't a typical undrafted player. He was a suspect in a murder and no team would take the chance. He was found completely innocent. 

You don't think we could carry an extra QB if management feels he is that good? That is how the patriots found Brady. In round6 he was so much better than any player on the board. Then in training camp and preseason he was more talented than the backups and patriots couldn't cut him because of his potential. Patriots carried 4 QBs. If Harbaugh feels his behavior has changed and he has Derek Carr caliber skill set that we picked up in round6. Would Harbaugh cut him? Especially if he clearly outplays Mallet and maybe even Joe Flacco in preseason? Would be nuts to cut him you think?

Edited April 8 by PurpleHorseman

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Hahaha "he doesn't belong in public". The desire for him stems from him being Jim Kelly's nephew, as well as the kid also having obvious talent that can be had in such a late round. But you are right, he's nothing close to a stand up guy and unless he completely turns his life around there's no room for him in the NFL. 

Somebody reported he said that. His teammates really like and respect him. Young dudes get into altercations. It happens. He has put it behind him and becoming a better adult. He has never punched his gf in the face like Rice did. People blow up altercations to make a story. His teammates really like and respect him. And he treats people with respect. He doesn't act like a thug at all. 

He is wild and Needs taming. He will ignore a sure 8 yard completion and sling a 30 yard out threading the needle. While impressive, in the NFL he will need to learn to take the 9 yards and sustain a drive. He is fast triggered and can run through his progressions and anticipate. Mayock and Jeremiah are really excited wanting to see him throw. You can see their excitement and anticipation.  He is having a personal proday where analysts and scouts/GMs seriously looking forward to watching him sling  it around.

47 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Well there's definitely no way we would give up a 1st round pick for a udfa lineman with 1 year NFL starting experience for a 1 year rental - and he wasn't even a top 3-4 lineman in his own draft before his dramatic fall anyway

i know you love kelly but why would we draft him and when would he play or how would he even make the roster because there is no way we'd carry more than 2 qbs and we already have both our starter and our backup at this point - any other qbs we bring in are purely camp arms

The saints and Giants considered him and probably would of drafted him. He isn't a typical undrafted player.

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Literally only one person on this entire forum wants him

There are many fans that want him. But Many on This forum are scared of somebody outplaying Joe. He didn't stalk the adult actress. She was rooting for his opponent and he told her come to the game. and she attempted to turn it into him stalking her. She was severely ridiculed all over social media for childish delusion!

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

HELL NO to the first round and Chad Kelly stalks "adult actresses", gets into fights and in general he's just a freaking creep. You can look at the guy and tell that he's bad news. Harbaugh would have beef with Ozzie if that happened. I don't understand why so many people here want him.

Never said round one. Over on RSR how many people will acknowledge negging the idea of trading for Collins when he is an all pro. And saying Chad Kelly is not going to be a good QB when he is lighting it up? How many will confess?? Where are the 900 people that negged sami when he said Matt Elam was a reach and bust.

Edited April 8 by PurpleHorseman

[hn68wb4]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

There are many fans that want him. But Many on This forum are scared of somebody outplaying Joe. He didn't stalk the adult actress. She was rooting for his opponent and he told her come to the game. and she attempted to turn it into him stalking her. She was severely ridiculed all over social media for childish delusion!

Never said round one.

Are you seriously THAT  blind? And as if social media has ever been the voice of reason, there's a reason all of the rational individuals around here don't go within 100 yards of the Ravens FB or twitter. Are you honestly so obsessed with him that you can't see any of his problems? you make more excuses for him than his mother.

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

Are you seriously THAT blind? And as if social media has ever been the voice of reason, there's a reason all of the rational individuals around here don't go within 100 yards of the Ravens FB or twitter. Are you honestly so obsessed with him that you can't see any of his problems? you make more excuses for him than his mother.

I'm not making excuses. People made YouTube vids mocking her for her delusion. Are you that <not nice>On how this forum responds to Flacco criticism much less bringing in competition for him? This place goes bonkers when somebody posts a suggestion replacing Joe Flacco. When  his ints nearly rival his TDs. And even when he is near the bottom of every QB stat known.lol

[PurpleHorseman]

Were up to18 negs and not one member has stated a better offensive lineman we can get in this draft than Le'el Collins. Tell us a better offensive lineman we can get and even an equal one and I'll be happy to change the pick. Until then it is my mock. Trust me I would prefer a rookie but this is a weak draft for offensive lineman. 

[JoeyFlex5]

[PurpleHorseman]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Do you have a suggestion??

[SepticeyePoe]

8 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Were up to18 negs and not one member has stated a better offensive lineman we can get in this draft than Le'el Collins. Tell us a better offensive lineman we can get and even an equal one and I'll be happy to change the pick. Until then it is my mock. Trust me I would prefer a rookie but this is a weak draft for offensive lineman. 

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5 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd never accept that trade. Collins is an inconsistent, raw blocker that is injury prone. Sure he throws out some highlight reel blocks every now and then, but I'd much rather have a guy that shows up every play rather than only once in a while. Also I disagree about the oline class, the OT class is weak, the interior class is pretty damn strong. Lamp, Feeny, and Robinson are all, in my opinion, great guards from day one. And after them there are a lot of guys with lots of potential, i.e. Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton can play OG or OT and we have always valued versatile linemen, Dorian Johnson is another potentially good OG from the start. Interior line class is fine, gets a bad wrap because of the weak tackles. We can sit back and take a lineman that is just as good as Collins right now considering we could very well have our pick of the entire class. Not to mention the Cowboys will not trade their starting LG, they shopped Collins last year while they still had Leary, not the case anymore, they value their line obviously and won't let it take another step back.

The rest of the draft is fine, just that trade is ridiculous.

And I'll be your daily reminder that we aren't taking Chad Kelly and he's not a HOF talent.

Honestly, I would be fine with rounds 2-4, but I disagree with trading a first for La'el Collins.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Do you have a suggestion??

do as the cat is doing?

[PurpleHorseman]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

do as the cat is doing?

That's what you should be doing with all your busts that you banged the table for. You even arrogantly defended Correa. Shall we examine the players you banged the table for and stoutly defended? I remember most of them lol

Edited April 8 by PurpleHorseman

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

That's what you should be doing with all your busts that you banged the table for. You even arrogantly defended Correa. Shall we examine the players you banged the table for. I remember most of them 

lol here we go again... where is your list? never banged the table for correa, i defended him after we drafted him, and his career is far from finished to begin with so way to really see things through... 

but absolutely, tell me who i banged the table for so i can dismiss them all again as false...

[PurpleHorseman]

5 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd never accept that trade. Collins is an inconsistent, raw blocker that is injury prone. Sure he throws out some highlight reel blocks every now and then, but I'd much rather have a guy that shows up every play rather than only once in a while. Also I disagree about the oline class, the OT class is weak, the interior class is pretty damn strong. Lamp, Feeny, and Robinson are all, in my opinion, great guards from day one. And after them there are a lot of guys with lots of potential, i.e. Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton can play OG or OT and we have always valued versatile linemen, Dorian Johnson is another potentially good OG from the start. Interior line class is fine, gets a bad wrap because of the weak tackles. We can sit back and take a lineman that is just as good as Collins right now considering we could very well have our pick of the entire class. Not to mention the Cowboys will not trade their starting LG, they shopped Collins last year while they still had Leary, not the case anymore, they value their line obviously and won't let it take another step back.

The rest of the draft is fine, just that trade is ridiculous.

And I'll be your daily reminder that we aren't taking Chad Kelly and he's not a HOF talent.

Moton and Dawkins are projected top40 picks with many mocks round1. And can not play LT. Watch all the round1 sec edge rushers Collins destroyed. Including this boards darling Derek Barnett. Lamp is good but not the mauler Collins is. Google how many edge rushers  from sec said he was the toughest blocker ever faced. Robinson I want to like but he is more clumsy every time I watch him play. Many don't think he can even play Right Tackle