[News] Ravens Sign Wide Receiver Michael Campanaro To One-Year Contract

[billiejean]

16 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't see how he ever plays a 16 game season. He seems to be too fragile for the NFL. He's a gym rat I know, but that doesn't mean much because as I can recall one Eugene Monroe was a gym rat too.

It doesn't really have much to do with going into the gym and lifting weights.  Its more about stretching and becoming more flexible.  But its a win win move.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

Always felt that if Camp could stay healthy... that he could be good.... I am just not convinced that he can stay healthy. However... good signing.... little risk with possible high reward...

Contracts like that can make a team!

Great post!

[TheConquerorWorm]

  22 hours ago, Crusader said:

  On 4/6/2017 at 7:23 PM, designermaryland said:

This is the problem I have with the Ravens overall plan. Why are you signing 6 mediocre WR and specialists, and talking about drafting a WR? You cannot do both. Every one of these seemingly small contracts is eating away at available cap space to sign others. If you want to give Campanaro a go, fine. But move on and draft a CB or end rather than waste the pick or the contract of the veteran. No need to have 5 TE's and 10 WR's on your roster. I truly think they have no clue.

Ozzie is really liberal with Steve's money with these contracts. You don't see that with the gold standard team. NE.

Actually, you do. Look at the spending NE does every year.

Don't try and argue with a Pats fan.......

[Crusader]

  On 4/6/2017 at 10:52 PM, Crusader said:

  On 4/6/2017 at 7:23 PM, designermaryland said:

This is the problem I have with the Ravens overall plan. Why are you signing 6 mediocre WR and specialists, and talking about drafting a WR? You cannot do both. Every one of these seemingly small contracts is eating away at available cap space to sign others. If you want to give Campanaro a go, fine. But move on and draft a CB or end rather than waste the pick or the contract of the veteran. No need to have 5 TE's and 10 WR's on your roster. I truly think they have no clue.

Ozzie is really liberal with Steve's money with these contracts. You don't see that with the gold standard team. NE.

It would probably be best for you to take a look at the contracts given out by the "gold standard" before you make that assumption. Did you not see that they bought in Steven Gilmore this year for a ridiculous amount of money. Crusader you actually have some really good critiques at times but then you throw in an argument that is invalid or just doesn't make sense. And for this most part those types of comments can be attributed to your inaccurate assumptions which are based on anecdotal information. And Gilmore is not the only one.  But even if the "golden standard" never gave out big bad contracts your point is nullified by the fact that this isn't a liberal move.  Its a conservative one.  He singed to a base deal worth less than his tender. But if he does contribute he can get some of that money back with incentives.  But if he never plays another game for the Ravens he will receive less money than he was scheduled to make before the new contract.

https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patriots/patriots-db-stephon-gilmore-worth-new-contract/

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-free-agents-about-to-get-overpaid/

"This is not a very strong cornerback group at the top end. You can find capable starters, but if your team needs a true No. 1 cornerback, the cupboard is significantly barer. The only player that realistically fits that billing is Stephon Gilmore, but he is coming off a season that would make you seriously question whether he can be that guy. Gilmore allowed 60.3 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught this past season for 15.6 yards per catch, and while he has often been seen as a shutdown corner for the Bills, he has allowed 16 touchdowns over his career, and 12 over the past three seasons. The lack of other true No. 1 options will likely still see Gilmore’s value pushed up because of the ceiling he has shown at times."

Gilmore had his best year that included 5 interceptions in 2016. Compare Jimmy Smith stats and pay to Gilmore the last 5 years. Both first rounders.Gilmore played 8 more games and getting less than Jimmy. I do recall the one reason people say Ravens lost the Steelers game was because Jimmy was not there or is that not now true?.

--Top ten QB in 2015 Stephon Gilmore, Bills came in at 11th and 26th all time. Jimmy was 71.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623992-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-101-cornerbacks-from-2015

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/nfl-top-10-cornerbacks-rankings-richard-sherman-darrelle-revis

-- Also Check out what America thinks about the Timmy Jernigan trade.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

I say NE is the gold standard because they don't disappear for ten years after they win a Super Bowl. Their free agents were a Corner-back from a division rival Buffalo, Running back from Bengals, and a DT from the Ravens. All AFC. Ravens go after NFC players.. mostly.

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, Crusader said:

Gilmore had his best year that included 5 interceptions in 2016. Compare Jimmy Smith stats and pay to Gilmore the last 5 years. Both first rounders.Gilmore played 8 more games and getting less than Jimmy. I do recall the one reason people say Ravens lost the Steelers game was because Jimmy was not there or is that not now true?.

--Top ten QB in 2015 Stephon Gilmore, Bills came in at 11th and 26th all time. Jimmy was 71.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623992-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-101-cornerbacks-from-2015

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/nfl-top-10-cornerbacks-rankings-richard-sherman-darrelle-revis

-- Also Check out what America thinks about the Timmy Jernigan trade.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

I say NE is the gold standard because they don't disappear for ten years after they win a Super Bowl. Their free agents were a Corner-back from a division rival Buffalo, Running back from Bengals, and a DT from the Ravens. All AFC. Ravens go after NFC players.. mostly.

Which doesn't matter of course, because there's no difference between AFC and NFC players.

Nothing special about either conference. Have you ever wondered why you're literally the only person that brings this up?

[GENE2407]

I'm not even counting the guy until he's on the field for at least 12 games.

[billiejean]

On 4/8/2017 at 0:35 AM, Crusader said:

Gilmore had his best year that included 5 interceptions in 2016. Compare Jimmy Smith stats and pay to Gilmore the last 5 years. Both first rounders.Gilmore played 8 more games and getting less than Jimmy. I do recall the one reason people say Ravens lost the Steelers game was because Jimmy was not there or is that not now true?.

--Top ten QB in 2015 Stephon Gilmore, Bills came in at 11th and 26th all time. Jimmy was 71.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623992-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-101-cornerbacks-from-2015

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/nfl-top-10-cornerbacks-rankings-richard-sherman-darrelle-revis

-- Also Check out what America thinks about the Timmy Jernigan trade.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

I say NE is the gold standard because they don't disappear for ten years after they win a Super Bowl. Their free agents were a Corner-back from a division rival Buffalo, Running back from Bengals, and a DT from the Ravens. All AFC. Ravens go after NFC players.. mostly.

I am going to try to break this down for you.......  The comment that we are debating is below. It was in reference to signing Camp to a NEW contract...

"Ozzie is really liberal with Steve's money with these contracts. You don't see that with the gold standard team. NE."

1.  My first argument is that the Camp signing was not being  "liberal" with Steves money.  Camp had already signed his tender so he was under contract before we signed him to another contract.  The new contracts base salary is LESS than his tender.  This means that if we cut Camp or he gets hurt he will be making LESS than he would be before Friday.  There are monetary incentives that he can increase the money that he recieves but only if he performs well and is able to contribute.

2.  The second argument that I am trying to make is even the "gold standard" gives out liberal contracts. I am going to respond to each of your argument even those that have no relevance to the issue at hand.

This is your first argument

"Gilmore had his best year that included 5 interceptions in 2016. Compare Jimmy Smith stats and pay to Gilmore the last 5 years. Both first rounders.Gilmore played 8 more games and getting less than Jimmy. I do recall the one reason people say Ravens lost the Steelers game was because Jimmy was not there or is that not now true?."

It is completely irrelevant. Jimmy Smith and the contracts that our FO have given out do not negate the fact that NE gives out liberal contracts.  But again you have made an assumption that isnt true.  Gilmore is getting paid more than Jimmy.  Jimmy got a 4 year deal for 41,000,000 with 21,000,000 guaranteed.   Gilmore got a 5 year deal for 65,000,000 with a WHOPPING 40,000,000 dollars guaranteed.  And that guaranteed money is why this is such a "liberal deal".  The only cornerbacks that currently have contracts with more guaranteed money than Gilmores are P, Peterson, J. Hadden, and J. Norman.

This is your next argument

"Top ten QB in 2015 Stephon Gilmore, Bills came in at 11th and 26th all time. Jimmy was 71."

Again this isn't relevant to my arguments.  Jimmys play  has nothing to do with NE contracts.  The numbers you gave were from bleacherreport....lol.  Cmon man that is a list a BR writer pulls out of nowhere.  Here is PFFs opinion of Gilmores play and the contract he recievied.  PFF rdoesn't just doesnt rank randomly.  Its a system that gives a grade for every play a guy plays.  They then tally those numbers and get a final grade.  Its not perfect but bleacherreport rankings make it look like an exact science.

"CB Stephon Gilmore to New England Patriots

Actual: Five years, $65 million, $40 million guaranteed

PFF play-earned contract: Five-years, $22.8 million, $12.1 million guaranteed

Grade: C

Gilmore is one of the few corners in this free-agent crop capable of manning a No. 1 role for a defense, so he was always going to get big money, but his PFF play-earned contract figure shows just how far short of his reputation his play has been at times over the past few seasons. In 2016, Gilmore allowed 60.3 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught, and was beaten for 15.6 yards per catch."

The other thing that comes into play here is Malcolm Butler.  It is going to be very hard for NE to retain him next year because of Gilmores contract. And in the last two seasons Butler has outplayed Gilmore.  He had 5 interceptions last year but it was the worst performance of his entire career.  He finished as the 61st best CB

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/09/report-patriots-to-sign-cornerback-stephen-gilmore/

https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patriots/patriots-db-stephon-gilmore-worth-new-contract/

And your next argument

"Also Check out what America thinks about the Timmy Jernigan trade.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php"

Absolutely irrelevant yet again.  What Timmy Jernigan has to do with NE free agent contracts is beyond me.

Next argument

"I say NE is the gold standard because they don't disappear for ten years after they win a Super Bowl. Their free agents were a Corner-back from a division rival Buffalo, Running back from Bengals, and a DT from the Ravens. All AFC. Ravens go after NFC players.. mostly."

Irrelevant.  My argument is not that I dont think that NE is the "gold standard" it is that they too give out liberal contracts.  And then your last comment is just bizarre. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that picking up AFC players is better than picking up NFC players.  There have been off seasons when we have picked up more AFC players than NE and again that doesn't have any significant meaning.

 

Edited April 9 by billiejean

[bigcatfrank1]

This is the problem I have with the Ravens overall plan. Why are you signing 6 mediocre WR and specialists, and talking about drafting a WR? You cannot do both. Every one of these seemingly small contracts is eating away at available cap space to sign others. If you want to give Campanaro a go, fine. But move on and draft a CB or end rather than waste the pick or the contract of the veteran. No need to have 5 TE's and 10 WR's on your roster. I truly think they have no clue.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you are pointing out here.

Wallace clearly is not mediocre

Perriman while didn't have his break out year last year, he was a rookie. So what he did show was he could play at NFL speed and level. I wouldn't call him mediocre either.

Moore is an exceptional athlete, he could surprise many people this year, unproven is a better word than mediocre.

So until signing Campinaro that was it, now Campi is not being put on this team to be a starting WR, he is a Kick Returner, WR, SpTeams
so that is not mediocre, a multi-position player with NFL SpT experience is much more than mediocre.

If your point is about Boldin, not way is he mediocre. He is a seasoned Veteran who would be brought here for special purpose. He would not be a starter but could play a high number of games if called upon.

That still only makes 5 receivers, it is obvious the Ravens are looking at at least one, maybe 2 WR in the draft. They may use the #16 on a WR they are so serious about it. Either way they will carry at least 6 maybe 7 wide receivers considering that Waller is both a TE and WR.

If you happen to read my post, I believe that Boldin could be very good for Waller to learn the slot receiver position from one of the best to ever play it!

If you want to clarify a little more great, I think you may have been saying don't carry 5 TE, though if they do not go FB Boyle and Gilmore will be blocking TE's and Waller can be a slot WR. That would allow them to carry 7 WR, 5TE, 3RB (until Dixon returns) 8 OL and Joe which makes 24 on the offense. Most likely they will go 6 WR and 9 OL. But FB is not a guarantee.

[bigcatfrank1]

I really hope to see Wallace and Perriman each get close or over 1000 rec yards this year! Both are special receivers and have the skills.

Between Moore, Camp, a vet, and decent draft another 1000 is a fairly low expectation.

Then add Pitta and corp of TE, with a total expectation of 1000 is again low.

Lastly 3 very good receiving RB in Woodhead, Dixon and West. I just do not see receiving yards to be the issue. ( 4000 pass yds for the team)

Touch downs, First downs Running game and clock control are so much a bigger issues for the Ravens.

I think Woodhead and Watson could help greatly (if Watson stays) in crossing the Goal line average
It might be Wallace and Perriman who could make the biggest impact in the TD category.

Boldin does have a decent TD record. Draftee Mike Williams in college. those 2 added to this roster would be pretty nice because both seem to find the end zone often.

All being said I would like to see an increased running game, So I will not be surprised to see the Ravens pick up a veteran back for at least the first 4 games and see what happens with West and Woodhead. Before getting Dixon back.