Examining pre-draft presser- Top 15 big board

[January J]

Trying to decipher through the possible smokescreens; taking into account the FA signings and the performance of prospects at the combine/pro day while also considering our needs- I wanted to create a top 15 board for players we are MOST LIKELY to draft. Top 7 if we stay at 16 and top 8 if we trade back. Its my personal opinion that trading up will not be a consideration for us this year when taking into account how the board is likely to fall and considering the multiple holes we need to fill and the stacked talent in the middle rounds of the draft. It is also of my belief that the CB position which I originally thought was our best bet in the first- will NOT be addressed until the 2nd and probably even third round unless one of the top guys falls and others are also gone. This is due to multiple things that include injury but it mainly involves getting the best value in the first and still being able to land a starting caliber corner later on due to the depth in this particular draft. As you can see I also think a few players who have been recently mocked to us will not even be on our board in the first- including John Ross. Anyway here we go.

Pick 16:

1) Derek Barnett

2) Mike Williams

3) Rueban Foster

4) Marshon Lattimore

5) Corey Davis

6) Haasan Reddick

7)  Charles Harris 

TRADEBACK TARGETS

8) Tak McKinley 

9) Dan Feeney

10) Taco Charlton

11) Cam Robinson

12) Jabrill Peppers

13) Gareon Conley

14) Ryan Ramczyk

15) Tim Williams

 

 

Edited April 6 by January J

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, January J said:

Trying to decipher through the possible smokescreens; taking into account the FA signings and the performance of prospects at the combine/pro day while also considering our needs- I wanted to create a top 15 board for players we are MOST LIKELY to draft. Top 7 if we stay at 16 and top 8 if we trade back. Its my personal opinion that trading up will not be a consideration for us this year when taking into account how the board is likely to fall and considering the multiple holes we need to fill and the stacked talent in the middle rounds of the draft. It is also of my belief that the CB position which I originally thought was our best bet in the first- will NOT be addressed until the 2nd and probably even third round unless one of the top guys falls and others are also gone. This is due to multiple things that include injury but it mainly involves getting the best value in the first and still being able to land a starting caliber corner later on due to the depth in this particular draft. As you can see I also think a few players who have been recently mocked to us will not even be on our board in the first- including John Ross. Anyway here we go.

Pick 16:

1) Derek Barnett

2) Mike Williams

3) Rueban Foster

4) Marshon Lattimore

5) Corey Davis

6) Haasan Reddick

7)  Charles Harris 

TRADEBACK TARGETS

8) Tak McKinley 

9) Dan Feeney

10) Taco Charlton

11) Cam Robinson

12) Jabrill Peppers

13) Gareon Conley

14) Ryan Ramczyk

15) Tim Williams

 

 

It seems you are as high on Charles Harris as I am. I think he is one of the most underrated guys in this draft and I think he ends up going higher than people say he is.

[rossihunter2]

What from the presser suggests to you that Harris is in the conversation out of interest?

as for some of the tradeback guys I think taco won't be on the board in the 1st for us - decosta specifically mentioned edge guys who don't fit the system which i think refers to him - he also mentioned 4/5 rushers potentially going in the first which I'm having a hard time pinpointing:

Garrett and Barnett are the obvious two, I'd say takk McKinley is probably also guaranteed to go, reddick if they count him (not sure if he would count or not but I think he probably does), im going to take a punt and assume Thomas isn't one (projects more as a versatile d-line guy) so I think that the "maybe" 5th guy is probably either Lawson (injuries making him a maybe) or Tim Williams (off-field making him a maybe)

unless taco is the 5th guy they think someone might reach on because as much as I like Harris I don't see where he fits onto this list of 4/5 if it is only 4/5

i don't think dan feeney is a target, nor peppers (they were way too effusive about him to realistically take him in the 1st), I also think as a rule you might as well take all the potential tackles off the board in the 1st given how they spoke about the middle rounds and having a paucity of tackle options in each round they would target compared to other years

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

It seems you are as high on Charles Harris as I am. I think he is one of the most underrated guys in this draft and I think he ends up going higher than people say he is.

I like Harris as a designated rusher, but I hope he is only taken in a trade back. He is undisciplined in run duties and doesn't seem to have an overly impressive football IQ. 

His first step and spin move are incredibly impressive though. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I have a hard time believing Harris is a guy we'll take at 16.. 

im starting to think that the wr visits with williams and Ross are smokescreens, i think there's a chance that we fully expect williams, Barnett, the 2 safeties, and foster to be gone, and that our top target at that point is Corey Davis, and that we've seen enough from non-private visits to be comfortable, and we are throwing smoke screens that we are interested in Ross hoping that we can get trade back offers for a team who wants him. 

Ross to ravens hype train has picked up a ton of steam, a LOT of people think we are bound to take him at 16, but I just don't see us taking perriman at 26 and then seeing an injury risk(with less spectacular catch ability) like Ross at a value of ten spots higher, Corey Davis on the other hand, I think the ravens could fully justify that, and maybe could be confident that a tradeback of a few spots can still allow us to secure him. Seems they are adding fuel to the john Ross fire, but I would be truly surprised if we took him at 16

[Davesta]

Man I hope your right and Davis is our true target. Lol! 

[rossihunter2]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I have a hard time believing Harris is a guy we'll take at 16.. 

im starting to think that the wr visits with williams and Ross are smokescreens, i think there's a chance that we fully expect williams, Barnett, the 2 safeties, and foster to be gone, and that our top target at that point is Corey Davis, and that we've seen enough from non-private visits to be comfortable, and we are throwing smoke screens that we are interested in Ross hoping that we can get trade back offers for a team who wants him. 

Ross to ravens hype train has picked up a ton of steam, a LOT of people think we are bound to take him at 16, but I just don't see us taking perriman at 26 and then seeing an injury risk(with less spectacular catch ability) like Ross at a value of ten spots higher, Corey Davis on the other hand, I think the ravens could fully justify that, and maybe could be confident that a tradeback of a few spots can still allow us to secure him. Seems they are adding fuel to the john Ross fire, but I would be truly surprised if we took him at 16

My worry in a trade back for Davis would be the titans at 18 (unless that's who's trading up to get Ross...) and the lions at 21

[Edgar]

6 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Man I hope your right and Davis is our true target. Lol! 

DeCosta said something to the effect of : " some people think he's good...some people like him..."

Kind of strange.

[rossihunter2]

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

DeCosta said something to the effect of : " some people think he's good...some people like him..."

Kind of strange.

It was needlessly hesitant which to me immediately suggested either we love him or we can't fathom how he's so highly rated

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

My worry in a trade back for Davis would be the titans at 18 (unless that's who's trading up to get Ross...) and the lions at 21

I could definitely see the titans making that move. They have absolutely no speed whatsoever with an elite OL and run game and an elite runner at qb with a cannon arm. The titans couldn't ask for a better prospect to completely change their offense

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

It was needlessly hesitant which to me immediately suggested either we love him or we can't fathom how he's so highly rated

Considering its decosta, it seems more like a smokescreen lol. That guys pokerface and ability to act like he could care less about any situation is just great. 

But then again, considering that... it could be the exact opposite of a smokescreen

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Considering its decosta, it seems more like a smokescreen lol. That guys pokerface and ability to act like he could care less about any situation is just great. 

But then again, considering that... it could be the exact opposite of a smokescreen

Exactly he's so good at it year in year out that maybe they think people cotton on to it so now he's double bluffing or something -he's so good at his job lol - we're so lucky to have him as well as Ozzie 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I have a hard time believing Harris is a guy we'll take at 16.. 

im starting to think that the wr visits with williams and Ross are smokescreens, i think there's a chance that we fully expect williams, Barnett, the 2 safeties, and foster to be gone, and that our top target at that point is Corey Davis, and that we've seen enough from non-private visits to be comfortable, and we are throwing smoke screens that we are interested in Ross hoping that we can get trade back offers for a team who wants him. 

 

When i watch Davis, i think of TO, not sure how Davis' hands would compare though.

Whats your opinion on the Davis vs Williams debate

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I could definitely see the titans making that move. They have absolutely no speed whatsoever with an elite OL and run game and an elite runner at qb with a cannon arm. The titans couldn't ask for a better prospect to completely change their offense

I really think Titans go defense, but you kind of made me change my mind.  Be interesting for the Titans to have drafted the two fastest 40time players

[Edgar]

Titans need a WR but it doesn't seem smart to take one with their first pick.

I heard they are high on Njouku 

Edited April 7 by Edgar

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

When i watch Davis, i think of TO, not sure how Davis' hands would compare though.

Whats your opinion on the Davis vs Williams debate

I really think Titans go defense, but you kind of made me change my mind.  Be interesting for the Titans to have drafted the two fastest 40time players

Oddly enough I got a slight TO vibe as well, mostly with the way he catches those crossing routes and means business the way he turns upfield, he's got those powerful strides and is ready to dish out some punishment to any tacklers and he tries to score anytime the ball is in his hands, and those hard decisive cuts as well. But TO was definitely better in tight contested catches, no comparison there. 

A player that I think had similar college tape, and this won't sound good, but Nelson agholor, very similar looking. That's why I don't fully buy into player comps though, because I'd be surprised if he turned out as bad as him. 

I prefer williams by a good bit because I think he's got the unteachables, he is the only receiver in this class that has looked absolutely unstoppable at times, I don't mean productive, I mean no matter how many resources he defense dedicates, no matter how tightly covered or poorly thrown, he catches the ball. Davis just doesn't have that factor going for him, he had a lot of manufactured production, and his tape showed excellent routes but he also was given a lot of cushion and never had to fight for separation, and when he did have to fight for it he was pretty inconsistent. I like Davis but i haven't anointed him like many others. I'd be ecstatic if we got him though

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I prefer williams by a good bit because I think he's got the unteachables, he is the only receiver in this class that has looked absolutely unstoppable at times, I don't mean productive, I mean no matter how many resources he defense dedicates, no matter how tightly covered or poorly thrown, he catches the ball. Davis just doesn't have that factor going for him, he had a lot of manufactured production, and his tape showed excellent routes but he also was given a lot of cushion and never had to fight for separation, and when he did have to fight for it he was pretty inconsistent. I like Davis but i haven't anointed him like many others. I'd be ecstatic if we got him though

Im with you for sure, I want Williams over any offensive players.  After watching the BCS game, thats exactly the kind of player Joe needs, sadly i dont think he lasts to us

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im with you for sure, I want Williams over any offensive players.  After watching the BCS game, thats exactly the kind of player Joe needs, sadly i dont think he lasts to us

I've actually really gotten on board with OJ Howard and I'd have a hard time deciding if I had to, I think he's gonna be really special and also bring a huge boost to the run game with his blocking. 

[RaineV1]

I think Williams is the only WR that goes before we pick. The Bills or Eagles will take him. The other teams just have giant needs elsewhere. Granted, the Ross is a good fit for the Cards, but I actually think they go QB or CB. if the top of the draft goes like I'm expecting, the Ravens will have their choice of Ross or Davis at 16.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've actually really gotten on board with OJ Howard and I'd have a hard time deciding if I had to, I think he's gonna be really special and also bring a huge boost to the run game with his blocking. 

Ive watched him, but for some reason i cant buy into him.  I cant put my finger on it, maybe just because he's a TE and im skeptical about the transition.  Not trying to hi-jack, but if there is another thread where you broke him down, point me in that direction or when you do a new write up just tag me.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Ive watched him, but for some reason i cant buy into him.  I cant put my finger on it, maybe just because he's a TE and im skeptical about the transition.  Not trying to hi-jack, but if there is another thread where you broke him down, point me in that direction or when you do a new write up just tag me.

I probably won't be doing any write ups on him since there is virtually no chance he falls to us lol. But I have my skepticism as well considering the way he produced at Alabama, but he had a more traditional showing at the senior bowl, voch Lombardi did a good breakdown on him and really highlights how good of a blocker he is

[ellicottraven]

There are 4 players I would be okay trading up for and they are: Fournette, Foster, Jamal Adams and Jonathan Allen. Other than these guys, if we stay pat I expect us to draft Barnett, Mike Williams, Corey Davis or John Ross in that order of preference. If none of these are available I would like to trade down and target a Jabrill Peppers or Cam Robinson. I don't like too many others in the first round. Tim Williams to me is a target for our #47 pick. I doubt he'll last that long, but that's where he should be picked.

[ravensnation5220]

The biggest smoke screen I think I noticed was the mentioning of John ross and Mike Williams as too receiver prospects and mentioning Corey Davis as just "another guy". He could very well be our top rated reciever, high production, great character and elite level talent

@JoeyFlex5 I have a hard time comparing Davis to agholor and TO for that matter. Agholor hardly ever went up for contested and wasn't nearly as physical either. 

TO was also much bigger I think but it's a solid comp otherwise...i can kinda see it. I just think Davis is his own breed. He's kind of in the new mold of receivers. I honestly was just looking deeper into him today and I like how he fights for the ball in the air. 

[RaineV1]

NFL.com compares Davis to Eric Decker, which seems like a good comp to me.

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

TO was also much bigger I think but it's a solid comp otherwise...i can kinda see it. I just think Davis is his own breed. He's kind of in the new mold of receivers. I honestly was just looking deeper into him today and I like how he fights for the ball in the air. 

Davis- 6'3 215

Owens- 6'3 224

Per Rotoworld

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Davis- 6'3 215

Owens- 6'3 224

Per Rotoworld

I just feel like his arms were huge. Like linebacker arms. Maybe style of play, but like I said i can't really find much of a comp to Davis. Let alone I don't like doing comparisons much cause every player is different in their own regard 

[usmccharles]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

I just feel like his arms were huge. Like linebacker arms. Maybe style of play, but like I said i can't really find much of a comp to Davis. Let alone I don't like doing comparisons much cause every player is different in their own regard 

Yea i agree about the comparisons to an extent.  But when watching Davis, just reminds me of TO, not trying to predict he would have a comparable career

[RavensDieHard21]

So much speculation at this point. Is the draft here yet? The top potential guys that could slip outside top 10, which we would need to trade up for are likely to be: 

Barnett, Williams, Davis and maybe Foster. 

If those guys are gone and the given sure fire top 10 guys like Adams, Hooker, Allen, are all gone, I fully expect us to trade back somewhere between 19-22. Adding another 3rd or 4th is crucial in Ozzie reloading our team and I bet it is killing him that we don't have more picks. 

In contrast though, I'm predicting we trade up in the second like we have in the past for Maxx and Art Brown. I think potential sliders into the second could be Tim Williams, Lawson, Harris, Sid Jones, etc. 

[rossihunter2]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

When i watch Davis, i think of TO, not sure how Davis' hands would compare though.

Whats your opinion on the Davis vs Williams debate

I really think Titans go defense, but you kind of made me change my mind.  Be interesting for the Titans to have drafted the two fastest 40time players

 

8 hours ago, Edgar said:

Titans need a WR but it doesn't seem smart to take one with their first pick.

I heard they are high on Njouku 

The titans have two picks though in the first round and unless they are in love with mike Williams at number 5 will likely go defence with that pick so I could quite easily see them going receiver at 18

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

The biggest smoke screen I think I noticed was the mentioning of John ross and Mike Williams as too receiver prospects and mentioning Corey Davis as just "another guy". He could very well be our top rated reciever, high production, great character and elite level talent

@JoeyFlex5 I have a hard time comparing Davis to agholor and TO for that matter. Agholor hardly ever went up for contested and wasn't nearly as physical either. 

TO was also much bigger I think but it's a solid comp otherwise...i can kinda see it. I just think Davis is his own breed. He's kind of in the new mold of receivers. I honestly was just looking deeper into him today and I like how he fights for the ball in the air. 

Ehh agholors calling card was his pursuit to the ball kinda, he attacked comebacks and crossing routes very aggressively and would give himself more separation as the ball was coming to him, not necessarily making contested catches but he attacked the ball well still. Davis I actually think is a little more of a passive catcher than I would like from a guy who is so great on the route tree.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

NFL.com compares Davis to Eric Decker, which seems like a good comp to me.

Chad Johnson is a guy I think is comparable, build and playstyle.