[News] Eisenberg: There's Never Been Less Certainty About Ravens' First-Round Draft Direction

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It wouldn’t be surprising if General Manager Ozzie Newsome used his 16th-overall pick on a wide receiver, pass rusher, offensive lineman, cornerback or something else.

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[RavensDieHard21]

My money is on pass rusher or receiver. 

[b93333]

if Williams is available it's hard to see them passing on him. If not an tackle makes a lot of sense.

[Space11jams]

1st Rd - WR
2nd Rd - OLB
3rd Rd RB
3rd Rd CB
4th Rd OT
5th Rd OLB
6th Rd CB
7th Rd DE


wishful thinking here dont mind me lol

[Tdot.to.Bmore]

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

[objective view]

In my humble opinion we need to stay away from a pass rusher for once early in the draft however I know that is difficult for Ozzie to do. We just have tooooo many holes on the offensive line and receiver. We also still have a huge need at CB because to me J. Smith is not dependable and when he is on the field I do not see a shut down corner as most seem to see. I see a very average corner who gets beat easily off of the line. Just can't count on him any longer....

Fix the line, get a receiver and corner and then add a piece or two on defense if it's available. RB to me is also not a priority this year...

[hen826957]

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

Thats a dark horse pick. Not an excited pick as though we could find one in the later rounds as Ozzie is good at, but it could help. I'm hoping for either Barnett, Mike Williams, Corey Davis, or Reuben Foster. Either of those those 4.

[n#7]

My money is on pass rusher or receiver. 

Bingo

[Purple Dawg 96]

The Jernigan move is my only question other than that Ozzie and Co. will fill every spot accordingly! People need to relax falling in love with players and when Ozzie and Co. make a move and it's not players some of you like some think they wasted a pick smh just let them do what they do and that's find talent because we have a good team "ALREADY" but it's the QB that has to make it all work and he is choking big time! Throwing the O line under the bus isn't what's hurting this team because Joe Flacco medical report is no where near that of Big Ben so stop with those statements please! Sit back and relax and let them do work! Like I said Jernigan move is my 1st disagreement since I can remember! This team should have four Super Bowls and if someone handled business all this pressure in the draft wouldn't needed!

[Steve32]

1st Rd - WR
2nd Rd - OLB
3rd Rd RB
3rd Rd CB
4th Rd OT
5th Rd OLB
6th Rd CB
7th Rd DE


wishful thinking here dont mind me lol

I like it... with the exception of RB.
We don't need anymore RB's, especially in the 3rd round.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

[bigcatfrank1]

  2 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

thats very possible

[bigcatfrank1]

  2 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

Hows this trade back look-
1- OT 24ish take Cam Robinson pick up a *3rd and *5th
2- Edge 47 Carl Lawson second round
3- Center- 74 ( Elflein or Pocic )
3- WR - 78 ( juju smith or Samuel)
3- *CB - ? (Teez Tabor (Sidney Jones) -extra 3rd round pick
4- CB - 4th round- to trade back up using 3 & 4 to get the CB
5- LB- 5th round
5- OL * extra 5th round
6- deep pick LB/DL
7- deep pick S/CB/KR

[bigcatfrank1]

  47 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  3 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

Hows this trade back look-
1- OT 24ish take Cam Robinson pick up a *3rd and *5th
2- Edge 47 Carl Lawson second round
3- Center- 74 ( Elflein or Pocic )
3- WR - 78 ( juju smith or Samuel)
3- *CB - ? (Teez Tabor (Sidney Jones) -extra 3rd round pick
4- CB - 4th round- to trade back up using 3 & 4 to get the CB
5- LB- 5th round
5- OL * extra 5th round
6- deep pick LB/DL
7- deep pick S/CB/KR

seriously OZ give me Robinson, Lawson, Elflien, Ju Ju Smith, Teez Tabor and I'll settle for Sidney Jones for next year-
-go get a veteran WR and RB to help out this year.

[bioLarzen]

I guess it's just getting awfully and unexcusably old for me to keep saying this - but I still think that this year Ozzie cannot really pick a bad position in the first round. He can pick the wrong guy - but not "the wrong" position. If we exclude the obvious ones Ozzie won't pick in the first round this year - QB, P, K - we're left with a list of positions each of which can do with some reinforcements - even the one where we don't have holes, like S, RB or even TE... Whou wouldn't rush to submit the slip if, for some inexplicable and diabolical reason, Leonard Fournette was still on the board at #16?

My pick is still the best RT available at #16 (or wherever we pick in the first round) - for the sole reason that OT is the position which seems the least likely to still have guys on the board in the mid-rounds. But that's just a though, nothing more, of course,

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

That could work IMHO

[bioLarzen]

  3 hours ago, Space11jams said:

1st Rd - WR
2nd Rd - OLB
3rd Rd RB
3rd Rd CB
4th Rd OT
5th Rd OLB
6th Rd CB
7th Rd DE


wishful thinking here dont mind me lol

I like it... with the exception of RB.
We don't need anymore RB's, especially in the 3rd round.

There is no position ever which could not be uprgaded.

[EddiOK]

I guess it's just getting awfully and unexcusably old for me to keep saying this - but I still think that this year Ozzie cannot really pick a bad position in the first round. He can pick the wrong guy - but not "the wrong" position. If we exclude the obvious ones Ozzie won't pick in the first round this year - QB, P, K - we're left with a list of positions each of which can do with some reinforcements - even the one where we don't have holes, like S, RB or even TE... Whou wouldn't rush to submit the slip if, for some inexplicable and diabolical reason, Leonard Fournette was still on the board at #16?

My pick is still the best RT available at #16 (or wherever we pick in the first round) - for the sole reason that OT is the position which seems the least likely to still have guys on the board in the mid-rounds. But that's just a though, nothing more, of course,

I agree. The best guy in the position(s) that are both our biggest needs along with the thinnest quality after the first round.

[fluffy201]

  3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  5 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

Even though its not the sexiest pick i wouldn't mind picking up a OT in the first. Secure the line for Joe so he can do his thing. Get back to the ground and pound attack with the play action.

I agree. Trade back 7-8 spots, pick up a 3rd or 4th Rounder and draft OT Cam Robinson. He's KO 2.0! Will still have stud CBs available with the 2nd Round pick. You can also package two of those 3rd Rounders to move back up into the 2nd for a pass rusher like Tim Williams or Carl Lawson.

That could work IMHO

We need an O line man

[ghost]

I believe that if their top two wide receivers are gone before they pick, they will trade back but stay in the first round then go for either pass rusher or linebacker. Cornerback in second round.

[jdynamite]

8 hours ago, Space11jams said:

1st Rd - WR
2nd Rd - OLB
3rd Rd RB
3rd Rd CB
4th Rd OT
5th Rd OLB
6th Rd CB
7th Rd DE


wishful thinking here dont mind me lol

No 7th round pick as of now. 

[jdynamite]

Although it's extremely unlikely that either Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker will slip all the way to number #16, the Ravens would not pass up on either of those exceptional talents at that point. Weddle is 32 years old, I'd guess he has 2 really good years left in him then his play will decline. 

It would be up to Pees to find a way to use everyone. Heck the Cardinals rolled out Mathieu, Jefferson, Bucannon ( Safety and Linebacker ), Swearinger all at Safety, slot or inside as a "hybrid LB" at one point or another to accommodate the talent. 

I've had Hooker and even M.Lattimore fall in mocks on Fanspeak.com it's usually because of QBs being picked early pushing guys down the board. 

 

Similarly I'd image if Reuben Foster falls to #16 the Ravens might take him even though Correa is in place. The question then would be what does the team do with Correa to not waste him on the bench. 

[sizzlingdoom]

If Barnett, Williams, or Davis are there, rush the card up.
Consider Takk and Ross.
If all 5 are gone, trade down

[sizzlingdoom]

Although it's extremely unlikely that either Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker will slip all the way to number #16, the Ravens would not pass up on either of those exceptional talents at that point. Weddle is 32 years old, I'd guess he has 2 really good years left in him then his play will decline. 

It would be up to Pees to find a way to use everyone. Heck the Cardinals rolled out Mathieu, Jefferson, Bucannon ( Safety and Linebacker ), Swearinger all at Safety, slot or inside as a "hybrid LB" at one point or another to accommodate the talent. 

I've had Hooker and even M.Lattimore fall in mocks on Fanspeak.com it's usually because of QBs being picked early pushing guys down the board. 

 

Similarly I'd image if Reuben Foster falls to #16 the Ravens might take him even though Correa is in place. The question then would be what does the team do with Correa to not waste him on the bench. 

I think there is a 0% chance Marshon, Adams, or Hooker make it to 16. They are all top 5 players in the draft in a lot of minds. Garret obviously looks insane, but I didn't get a chance to watch him in college or a lot of his tape. Aside from that, Jamal Adams is easily the best player in the draft imo. If he's drafted into an even halfway decent situation, I think there's a 50/50 chance he's an all pro as a rookie

[law215]

IMO it's never been more clear on what the Ravens need and what is available at pick #16. Just the watch replay of Ravens vs Steelers 2016, Ravens vs Patriots 2014, or any game versus the Bengals.

Those games scream the need for CB, S, Pass rusher OLB. In other words skill position in the pass defense. To do anything else is absurd and will not improve their chances of beating the team they need to get to playoffs.

How many times can this defense be exposed or abused late in the game?
How many 10 to 14 point leads gets wiped away cause the CB can't cover and not enough pass rushers.

If they want to compete with Bengals, Steelers, Raiders, Patriots, Chiefs, they better address the pass defense. And Brandon Carr and Weddle are over 30 and not enough especially since it's a coin flipped if Jimmy Smith will be healthy.

Pick the BPA at one of those positions end of story.

They can get WR, OT, RB, C, G in the 2-3 rounds with quality. It's a weak OT class and Ravens, for whatever reason, are never successful at drafting Wr in the first round. In a draft where they can't afford to miss, why go there?

[sizzlingdoom]

IMO it's never been more clear on what the Ravens need and what is available at pick #16. Just the watch replay of Ravens vs Steelers 2016, Ravens vs Patriots 2014, or any game versus the Bengals.

Those games scream the need for CB, S, Pass rusher OLB. In other words skill position in the pass defense. To do anything else is absurd and will not improve their chances of beating the team they need to get to playoffs.

How many times can this defense be exposed or abused late in the game?
How many 10 to 14 point leads gets wiped away cause the CB can't cover and not enough pass rushers.

If they want to compete with Bengals, Steelers, Raiders, Patriots, Chiefs, they better address the pass defense. And Brandon Carr and Weddle are over 30 and not enough especially since it's a coin flipped if Jimmy Smith will be healthy.

Pick the BPA at one of those positions end of story.

They can get WR, OT, RB, C, G in the 2-3 rounds with quality. It's a weak OT class and Ravens, for whatever reason, are never successful at drafting Wr in the first round. In a draft where they can't afford to miss, why go there?

Our starting 5 is solidified. End of story. 2 top 10 safeties as well.
We do need pass rush
Weddle is over 30 and not enough? LOL........OK
Defense was gassed at the end of games cuz it was on the field the whole game from our inept offense. Gotta score to win
The only way we're passing on Corey Davis or Williams if they're there is if Barnett or Takk are there too, and we're stoked on one of them. Or if we're dead set on trading back
0% chance we take a Safety in the first. I doubt we draft one til the 4th or later. If Teez is there for our 2nd pick, that would be tough to pass up

[billiejean]

  2 hours ago, law215 said:

IMO it's never been more clear on what the Ravens need and what is available at pick #16. Just the watch replay of Ravens vs Steelers 2016, Ravens vs Patriots 2014, or any game versus the Bengals.

Those games scream the need for CB, S, Pass rusher OLB. In other words skill position in the pass defense. To do anything else is absurd and will not improve their chances of beating the team they need to get to playoffs.

How many times can this defense be exposed or abused late in the game?
How many 10 to 14 point leads gets wiped away cause the CB can't cover and not enough pass rushers.

If they want to compete with Bengals, Steelers, Raiders, Patriots, Chiefs, they better address the pass defense. And Brandon Carr and Weddle are over 30 and not enough especially since it's a coin flipped if Jimmy Smith will be healthy.

Pick the BPA at one of those positions end of story.

They can get WR, OT, RB, C, G in the 2-3 rounds with quality. It's a weak OT class and Ravens, for whatever reason, are never successful at drafting Wr in the first round. In a draft where they can't afford to miss, why go there?

Our starting 5 is solidified. End of story. 2 top 10 safeties as well.
We do need pass rush
Weddle is over 30 and not enough? LOL........OK
Defense was gassed at the end of games cuz it was on the field the whole game from our inept offense. Gotta score to win
The only way we're passing on Corey Davis or Williams if they're there is if Barnett or Takk are there too, and we're stoked on one of them. Or if we're dead set on trading back
0% chance we take a Safety in the first. I doubt we draft one til the 4th or later. If Teez is there for our 2nd pick, that would be tough to pass up

I wouldn't say zero percent. It really is going to come down to what the teams in front of us do. I would say there is a zero percent chance that we take either a QB or a TE but I wouldn't go that far at Safety. I don't think there is a huge chance of Hooker or Adams making it to us but if they did we would have to consider taking one of them. I don't think they would be tempted to take Peppers though, and he will most likely be on the board when we pick.

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  2 hours ago, law215 said:

IMO it's never been more clear on what the Ravens need and what is available at pick #16. Just the watch replay of Ravens vs Steelers 2016, Ravens vs Patriots 2014, or any game versus the Bengals.

Those games scream the need for CB, S, Pass rusher OLB. In other words skill position in the pass defense. To do anything else is absurd and will not improve their chances of beating the team they need to get to playoffs.

How many times can this defense be exposed or abused late in the game?
How many 10 to 14 point leads gets wiped away cause the CB can't cover and not enough pass rushers.

If they want to compete with Bengals, Steelers, Raiders, Patriots, Chiefs, they better address the pass defense. And Brandon Carr and Weddle are over 30 and not enough especially since it's a coin flipped if Jimmy Smith will be healthy.

Pick the BPA at one of those positions end of story.

They can get WR, OT, RB, C, G in the 2-3 rounds with quality. It's a weak OT class and Ravens, for whatever reason, are never successful at drafting Wr in the first round. In a draft where they can't afford to miss, why go there?

Our starting 5 is solidified. End of story. 2 top 10 safeties as well.
We do need pass rush
Weddle is over 30 and not enough? LOL........OK
Defense was gassed at the end of games cuz it was on the field the whole game from our inept offense. Gotta score to win
The only way we're passing on Corey Davis or Williams if they're there is if Barnett or Takk are there too, and we're stoked on one of them. Or if we're dead set on trading back
0% chance we take a Safety in the first. I doubt we draft one til the 4th or later. If Teez is there for our 2nd pick, that would be tough to pass up

I wouldn't say zero percent. It really is going to come down to what the teams in front of us do. I would say there is a zero percent chance that we take either a QB or a TE but I wouldn't go that far at Safety. I don't think there is a huge chance of Hooker or Adams making it to us but if they did we would have to consider taking one of them. I don't think they would be tempted to take Peppers though, and he will most likely be on the board when we pick.

No way we take Peppers.
If Hooker or Adams are on the board when we draft, I agree, we might take them. But I think Adams is the best player in the draft. Easy. And Hooker could go as early as number 2.
No chance at all they make it to 16

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

No way we take Peppers.
If Hooker or Adams are on the board when we draft, I agree, we might take them. But I think Adams is the best player in the draft. Easy. And Hooker could go as early as number 2.
No chance at all they make it to 16

Yea I haven't seen any mocks this year that have those safeties making it to us, but from the mocks ive seen after the first 5 picks there really isn't a whole lot of consensus.  It could just be me, I really haven't been following the draft as much as I have in the last two years.  It is also possible that things start to become a bit clearer the closer we are to the draft.  But in at lease one of these CBS drafts the following guys are there when we are on the clock..... Barnett, Foster, Ross, Reddick, Harris, Cook, Mckinley, Charlton, Peppers, Williams, Davis, Howard, Cunningham, Humphrey, McCaffrey 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft

I even saw one yesterday on BR that has J Allen falling past us which seems a bit implausible to me. 

[Halshayeji]

21 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

My money is on pass rusher or receiver. 

Only of the top 2 are still on the board