[News] Late For Work 4/5: Free Agent Nick Mangold Visits Ravens; Pro & Cons Of Timmy Jernigan Trade

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

DTs who can reasonable rush the passer got paid big time money.

What's the difference in production between Jernigan and Art Jones from a few years ago? He got a top 10 DT contract at that time.

A similar question would be... why is Williams more valuable than Jernigan? 

5 year 33million even adjusted with inflation, i highly doubt that would net us a comp pick.  Although, im curious what that would be though. 

 

1 hour ago, throwback2000 said:

Mangold, too much of a risk. An old 33!

I believe Birk was 32 when we signed him....i think it worked out

[rmcjacket23]

9 hours ago, usmccharles said:

5 year 33million even adjusted with inflation, i highly doubt that would net us a comp pick.  Although, im curious what that would be though. 

 

I believe Birk was 32 when we signed him....i think it worked out

Well, top 10 DT money would be at least $9-10M a year now.

Frankly, he could probably ask for Brandon Williams money and get it in my opinion. That's easily a comp pick, and likely a high one. 

The only thing stopping us from getting a comp pick is the caliber of FAs we sign. Obviously if we were to go out and spend that same level of money or a player or two, it would greatly reduce or eliminate the likelihood of us getting that comp pick.

[fusuymada]

Mangold came and went. Typically, once they leave, they don't sign.

[J.O.14]

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

5 year 33million even adjusted with inflation, i highly doubt that would net us a comp pick.  Although, im curious what that would be though. 

 

I believe Birk was 32 when we signed him....i think it worked out

Birk was an iron man. He was 32 and never missed a game. Mangold hasn't been healthy in two years.

[billiejean]

You go back and watch the Ravens play Redskins, or Eagles or Dallas and you'll see Ravens will mis Lawrence Guy more than any player they lost on Defense.

Agreed

Im not sure how they ended up at the end of the season but either way Guy was a big part of the defenses success even though he was a rotational player

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-one-thing-every-nfl-team-can-be-thankful-for-on-thanksgiving/

"The Ravens are currently atop the AFC North, and one of the reasons why is their highest-graded run defense, which is currently allowing the fewest yards per carry (3.4) in the league. Two big reasons for this are defensive interior players Lawrence Guy and Timmy Jernigan. Guy (12.9) and Jernigan (12.1) are currently first and second, respectively, in run-stop percentage among 3-4 defensive ends. This has freed up linebacker C.J. Mosley to earn the third-highest run-defense grade (87.1) among linebackers so far this season."

His pass rushing abiliity is also an area of his game that gets looked over. He only had a half of a sack less than TJs totals last year and graded out as the 8th best interior pass rusher at seasons end.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000784423/article/aaron-donald-leads-top10-interior-pass-rushers

"Several players know for their pocket collapsing ability, including Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Calais Campbell and Fletcher Cox, all ranked above Guy. However, the Ravens underrated defensive end was more disruptive than well regarded pass rushers such as Joey Bosa, Jadeveon Clowney, Grady Jarrett, Ndamukong Suh, Damon Harrison and Muhammed Wilkerson, according to this measurement. It is worth noting that most of these players played a greater percentage of snaps than Guy, which hurt their pass rush average, but a top-8 ranking from Guy is impressive nonetheless."

Hopefully Urban and Kafusi are going to be able to step up to the plate. Henry will get rotated in there as well. He has almost identical measurements to Guys coming out of college except he is an inch shorter and a bit more explosive (LG vert - 29" WH vert 30.5"). But of course there are plenty of guys who have similar or even better measurements than starters in this league that were never able to make a team. Guy is an underrated pick up for the Pats. It will be interesting to see how they use him.

[usmccharles]

7 hours ago, J.O.14 said:

Birk was an iron man. He was 32 and never missed a game. Mangold hasn't been healthy in two years.

Yea I know, he was just using age as the reason instead of the injuries

[RaRaRavens]

Apparently the hype about signing a vet wasn't about Mangold after all. Reportedly we're bringing back Webb.

Still think we should've gone for Mangold.