[News] Late For Work 4/5: Free Agent Nick Mangold Visits Ravens; Pro & Cons Of Timmy Jernigan Trade

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The Ravens are likely checking the health status of seven-time Pro Bowler Nick Mangold. Many were shocked by the Timmy Jernigan trade news. With Tony Romo’s retirement, Joe Flacco become the NFL’s highest cap hit this season.

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[BiggMack91]

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

[whobilly]

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

[Azzi22]

  7 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

[Dedicated Raven]

No one knows how this trade will pan out until we hit the middle of the season.

[hen826957]

16 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Zuttah will cost us some penalties this year, and as for Jernigan, l wish we could got their 3rd or swap picks and a extra 4th. l didn't like it at first, but trading up 20 picks is huge in this draft. We wasn't going to be able to afford Jernigan anyway. Either sign Mangold or draft Elflein would do.

Edited April 5 by hen826957

[usmccharles]

28 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

Edited April 5 by usmccharles

[whobilly]

  23 minutes ago, whobilly said:

  29 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

Good point. Just trying to educate some Fans(?).

[BiggMack91]

  25 minutes ago, whobilly said:

  30 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

[Joe Fitzgerald]

Best decision Ozzie can make in 2017 is to sign Mangold!

[BiggMack91]

  30 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it.

we would get his production in a contract year or we could have waited until draft day to trade him and we probably would have gotten more

[PurpleHorseman]

25 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Zuttah will cost us some penalties this year, and as for Jernigan, l wish we could got their 3rd or swap picks and a extra 4th. l didn't like it at first, but trading up 20 picks is huge in this draft. We wasn't going to be able to afford Jernigan anyway. Either sign Mangold or draft Elflein would do.

Mangold wasn't the same player last 2 seasons. Football players don't become better players with age. I'm not a fan of Elflein. Harbaugh and oz want to get stronger on the offensive line. Elflein is a good college player without the traits of Top NFL player. He could be a functional center but nothing to write home. Not really an upgrade over Urschel and Jensen. Similar to peter Konz. Good college player that didn't have traits of elite pro 

[RailBird]

The only thing I remember from Jernigan were his dumb, undisciplined penalties that ruined drives and games.

[Azzi22]

  46 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

  49 minutes ago, whobilly said:

  54 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

What part of ''we weren't going to resign him'' don't you get? #1 he wasent even that good... #2 yea he was a 2rd draft so be it... your point? #3 saved us some money(even if its little) , its giving our young kids a chance(henry kafusi davis)which none of them played last year...and moved up 25 spots.. its like going from 4th to 3rd round (comp pick).. so I see it as a WIN WIN.. we could have kept him.. but what the benefit? getting comp pick for 2019?... just let OZ do what OZ does best and stop acting like you know whats best for the team...
I cant believe half of you call yourselves RAVENS FANS but god forbid they make a move YOU personally don't agree with.. they are dumb and losing their touch?

[drillem]

  24 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  51 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

  54 minutes ago, whobilly said:

  59 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

What part of ''we weren't going to resign him'' don't you get? #1 he wasent even that good... #2 yea he was a 2rd draft so be it... your point? #3 saved us some money(even if its little) , its giving our young kids a chance(henry kafusi davis)which none of them played last year...and moved up 25 spots.. its like going from 4th to 3rd round (comp pick).. so I see it as a WIN WIN.. we could have kept him.. but what the benefit? getting comp pick for 2019?... just let OZ do what OZ does best and stop acting like you know whats best for the team...
I cant believe half of you call yourselves RAVENS FANS but god forbid they make a move YOU personally don't agree with.. they are dumb and losing their touch?

I believe their record over the last several seasons speaks loud and clear. Moves designed to be "win-win" haven't worked out all that well. So I can see an argument for the other side, too. Fans who question shouldn't have their 'fan-ship' called to question.

[drillem]

I'd really like to see our team develop another qb along side Flacco for the future. Why fall off a cliff when Flacco retires. Get someone who can actually replace him if necessary both now, if he gets injured and in the future when he is out of football.

[hen826957]

11 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Mangold wasn't the same player last 2 seasons. Football players don't become better players with age. I'm not a fan of Elflein. Harbaugh and oz want to get stronger on the offensive line. Elflein is a good college player without the traits of Top NFL player. He could be a functional center but nothing to write home. Not really an upgrade over Urschel and Jensen. Similar to peter Konz. Good college player that didn't have traits of elite pro 

There are the only two options, unless you want to trade for a center. Nick Mangold may not be that he once was, but he's a upgrade over Urschel and Jenson that's for sure. 

[n#7]

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

Agreed. The Eagles, at least on paper, walked away from this the winners. How TJ performs and more importantly, who they draft and his impact will be the final determinative factor on the success of this transaction.

[steelcityraven]

I agree.... I don't have a problem with the fact that we traded TJ
A. We have a ton of young talent on the DL
B. We would not sign him after this year
C. He has been inconsistent
D. We can get something for him.

I do however also agree that we simply did not get enough!
A. We could have received nearly the equivalent in a comp pick down the road
B. We do lose his production for this season
C. We traded a starter and a 3rd rounder (and a future 3rd or 4th round comp pick) for a higher 3rd round pick this year. That feels like an awful lot.
D. Timmy was our most potent interior pass rusher and having already lost Doom and Guy.... I am a little surprised by this.... hope Kafusi can collapse the pocket.

I get why we traded him and don't even have an issue with that.... I just don't feel like we got enough. If we would have traded Timmy and a 3rd rounder for a 3rd and a 5th... I would have been good.

If we would have traded Timmy and a 4th for their 3rd and 5th.... cool.
Even Timmy and our 3rd for their 2nd and 6th.... I am in...

Just feel that we should have covered that comp pick and got more out of the deal. Does anyone know how much salary cap space this created? (I do wonder if this was a bigger factor then it seemed)????

[rmcjacket23]

I'd really like to see our team develop another qb along side Flacco for the future. Why fall off a cliff when Flacco retires. Get someone who can actually replace him if necessary both now, if he gets injured and in the future when he is out of football.

Too soon for that. For starters, somebody you draft will only be on a rookie deal for 4 years, and Joe is very likely to be here that long, so the guy we drafted would likely be a starter on another team after his contract ends as opposed to us. That's also assuming the guy you get is any good, which is very difficult to find these days and even worse when you're talking mid-to-late rounds.

Teams don't have to fall off a cliff when their long-term starters career ends. Guys like the Colts and Packers didn't fall off a cliff when Favre or Manning left. Have no idea what the QB situation will look like 4-5 years from now in the draft... could easily find a week 1 starter there.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it.

we would get his production in a contract year or we could have waited until draft day to trade him and we probably would have gotten more

Why would you get more on draft day? You're risking the teams that would be interested in him drafting players at the same position and no longer being interested in him.

That's a very dangerous game to be playing.

Why do you think most of your younger veteran players who are still on the market are so adamant about finding a job before the draft? The draft is where teams fill holes, not add them.

Edited April 5 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

Time will tell. It would be almost impossible for them to get the better end of the deal if Jernigan doesn't sign a long term extension with them.

Giving up 25 spots in the 3rd round for a 1 year rental on a team that clearly isn't going to the SB doesn't sound like you're getting the better of anything.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

So you're only evaluating them based on tackles? What about sacks? Are they not important?

[usmccharles]

58 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

we would get his production in a contract year or we could have waited until draft day to trade him and we probably would have gotten more

Why would we get more on draft day?  Teams would know that we are wanting to get rid of him and they would have all the leverage.  There is no benefit to waiting, unless you want a worse draft pick, if so...then your plan is great

[whobilly]

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

So you're only evaluating them based on tackles? What about sacks? Are they not important?

5 for Jernigan 2 for Pierce. "1" sack for Jernigan in the final eight games. Again, let another team over pay him. You need anything else on that?

[steelcityraven]

  40 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

no i don't get how you give up a 2nd round player from 2014 and a 3rd round pick for a 3rd round pick I'm siding with most people saying the eagles got the better of this trade by a long shot

What part of ''we weren't going to resign him'' don't you get? #1 he wasent even that good... #2 yea he was a 2rd draft so be it... your point? #3 saved us some money(even if its little) , its giving our young kids a chance(henry kafusi davis)which none of them played last year...and moved up 25 spots.. its like going from 4th to 3rd round (comp pick).. so I see it as a WIN WIN.. we could have kept him.. but what the benefit? getting comp pick for 2019?... just let OZ do what OZ does best and stop acting like you know whats best for the team...
I cant believe half of you call yourselves RAVENS FANS but god forbid they make a move YOU personally don't agree with.. they are dumb and losing their touch?

The only team happy with a TIE is the team that should have lost.
The WIN / WIN thing is the equivalent to a TIE....

The Eagles are bragging about getting a lot for giving up little..... and they should be. They are not calling it a win /win - they are saying that they won and we lost.

We are saying a win / win.... bc we are hoping for the best knowing that we took the short end of that one...

No issues with trading TJ.... every issue with not getting enough for him.

BTW disagreeing with a Ravens move doesn't make you less of a fan - In fact, it is the intelligent fans who are not completely blinded by their fandom and can formulate their own opinions on their favorite teams moves. Ozzie makes mistakes too and to suggest that no one is allowed to question him bc they are not him, is silly. Ozzie has even admitted that he has missed on some.

I remember a couple of years ago.... people complaining when we drafted Elam and ABrown... I personally was a fan of both... thought they would turn out okay... Those fans who disagreed were not horrible fans for questioning Ozzie on those moves... in fact they turned out to be intelligent fans...(they were right).

This is an opinion board- it invites people to share their opinion - thats what makes this work... it doesn't mean they are less of a fan bc they have a different opinion then Ozzie. It just means that sometimes Ozzie is right and sometimes he is wrong (like all human beings) and opinion boards are the place to discuss if these decisions were the best for their team or not!

My personal opinion is that we didn't get enough for Timmy... and that the Eagles got the better of this deal. It doesn't make me less of a fan because I wanted more for the Ravens.... but to just be okay with whatever happens and not want more ...may!

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, whobilly said:

5 for Jernigan 2 for Pierce. "1" sack for Jernigan in the final eight games. Again, let another team over pay him. You need anything else on that?

Nope. DTs who get 4-5 sacks a year with that level of output get paid very well across the board in the NFL.

Just confirming that everybody understands this concept.

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

So you would rather have TJ for one more year then let him leave and get nothing? got it. 25 spots in a draft is a lot....

25 spots in a draft is a lot depending on where it happens. If we moved up 25 spots in the 7th round... not such a big deal.... that guy probably will still not make the team.

If we move up 25 spots in the 1st round.... that is giant. (even the 2nd) but the further back you get the less it mean.

with that said. We gave up a starter, a third round pick and a future third or fourth round pick to move up 25 spots in the middle of the draft. I feel like that was a lot for what we gained

If we moved up 25 spots and got a 4th rounder to cover the future comp pick.... I get it.

If we moved up 25 spots and even got a future 5th rounder now for a potential 3rd of 4th then...okay..

but to move up now... lose a player and a future player.... I don't feel like it was enough (and a 3rd or 4th rounder -should be a future player)

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

Jernigan 16 solo tackles 15 assisted tackles. Pierce 19 solo tackles 16 assisted tackles. Let another team over pay TJ in the FA Market.

Why bother reply to people like that.... they clearly don't get it

BC we are all on the same team. We are all Ravens fans.... If it were a Sqeeler fan making that statement.... don't waste my time

But we have a common bond -

[steelcityraven]

hope we don't get mangold and we will live to regret not getting anything for TJ he was worth more than 25 spots in the 3rd so don't say we got a 3rd rounder for him because we didn't we took another loss just like zuttah

As much as I disagree with he move... it bothers me bc I feel like it hurt the team. I am not going to be so upset with the team being hurt the I hope they suck.... that is silly. I don't agree with the move but I hope it works out, in spite of the fact that I think it was the wrong move.

I am not wishing bad on the team... I am just not a fan of a move bc I am afraid that it may be bad....