[News] Ravens Trade Timmy Jernigan To Eagles For Higher Third-Round Pick

[law215]

Ravens were never going to be able to keep Jernigan and Mosley and B Williams. They value Mosley more and will pick up 5th years and sign him long term. Jernigan is a casualty of keeping Williams now and Mosley later.

I like the move. Either let him play this season, lose him for a comp pick or in a deep draft move up to increase likelihood you get a player you value.

I do think Jernigan will be better in a Philly where he can penetrate in a 4-3 and not try to eat blocks in a 3-4. It suits his style more.

[RavensBaltimore]

If the Ravens were confident that Jernigan was going to be a major factor this year, then get a huge deal in free agency that warrants a comp pick, I don't think they would have made this trade. Jernigan completely disappeared in the 2nd half of the season last year, and he's committed too many stupid penalties throughout his career. I think the coaching staff was ready to move on from him anyway, and they don't want to pass up an opportunity to get a much better pick because of the hope that a contract year will somehow motivate him to play consistently well throughout the year(for the first time ever).

[Purple Dawg 96]

Smh I've never ever ever ever ever ever ever questioned Ozzie and Co. and this move will be the 1st! Smh whomever they get for this move better bring it because Timmy sure did! Smh

[verified]

all these draft picks every year we still have no offense and no big time offensive weapons. news flash. Draft picks only mean something if you draft well. The browns and jaguars have a million draft picks every season and it amounts to nothing because the gm cant recognize talent. ozzie and eric are approaching browns jaguars status.

[billiejean]

all these draft picks every year we still have no offense and no big time offensive weapons. news flash. Draft picks only mean something if you draft well. The browns and jaguars have a million draft picks every season and it amounts to nothing because the gm cant recognize talent. ozzie and eric are approaching browns jaguars status.

The Browns haven't had an 8 - 8 season since 2007. The Jags haven't had and 8 - 8 season since 2010. Using hyperbole as a rhetorical device is all well in good until you begin to rely on it so much that you forget that it is in fact hyperbole.

[fluffy201]

I like this trade. I think moving 25 spots is a lot, especially considering it is in the 3rd round. We are stacked at D line any way (aside from pass rushers). I wouldn't mind the Ravens getting another tackle in the first, corner in the second, and a pass rusher and center in the 3rd. The Ravens really need to sure up the O Line and while another tackle in back to back years isn't glamorous, it would surely fill a need and hopefully sure up the line for at least 3-4 more years.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

You think a guy that plays 54% of the time is a starter? Albert McLellan played as many snaps at ILB (with Orr & Mosley) as Jernigan did on the D-Line. Aiken played more often than Jernigan. Jernigan was a rotational guy behind STARTERS BWil & Michael Pierce. We're not going to miss a DLman that averages 1 tackle per game.

Plus, have you seen how stacked this draft is? A top pick in the 3rd Round can land a shutdown corner. So, you'd rather have a part-time DLman for 1 year than have a shutdown corner for 4 years?????

Shutdown corner in the 3rd really....And moving up a few spots will really make that difference??? Ravens should be looking for that corner in the 1st 

25 is a few spots?? I guess there's no difference between picking 7th and picking 32? And yes, the CB crop is that deep. Sidney Jones, Sutton, Desmond King, Fabian Moreau, Tankersly could all realistically be there at the top of Round 3. Or how about the best C in the draft - Pocic or Elflein may be there. WR - JuJu, Malachi. Now, we can get 2 of them with the 74th & 78th picks.

Or, we can package both to move up into the middle of Round 2.

[hen826957]

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  5 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

4 picks in the 1st 80, No reason not to walk away with minimum 3 Starters of 4, and I would even say 4 starter caliber players w/ 4 top 80 picks.

Preferably like this.
Round 1- Franchise Pass Rusher Barnett,TakMcKinley,Harris,Etc

Round 2- CB Tred.White,G.Conley, Kevin King, Tankersely,Tabor etc

Round 3 2 picks Offense-Schuster,Westbrook,Dupree, Kupp, etc

Round 4&5 OL Dan Skipper, McDermott, Zach Banner, Orlovsky

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

R1- M.Williams
R2- P.Elflein
R3- R.Anderson
R3- S.Jones
R4- Z.Banner
R5- Bug Howard
R6- Greg Pyke

Man l'll will be pumped up if our draft was like this. I also wouldn't mind having Derek Barnett in the first, Juju Smith in the second, Elflien in the third (if he makes it) and Sidney Jones in the third as well. That would be a dream draft. 👍

[ellicottraven]

The Ravens effectively got a late 3rd round pick for the trade which when you think about it is pretty good. My initial reaction was they traded him for a 74th pick and obviously I was ecstatic. Then I found out we gave up the 99th pick to move up to the 74th and I was bummed out. But, now upon reflection and looking at draft value I'm back to thinking this wasn't so bad after all.

Even assuming Jernigan balls out and gets a huge contract next year, we couldn't have done better than a 98th or 99th compensatory pick in 2019 and that is assuming the best case scenario. Given Timmy's inconsistency the Ravens correctly played percentages and took the sure thing now which is better in two regards. The Ravens would never have gotten a 94th pick no matter how much contract money Timmy got next year and moreover this year's draft class is chock full of potential starters in several positions.

So, when you look at the big picture and what the Ravens had in terms of depth along the D-line this was an obvious trade and a good one at that.

[cobrajet]

  4 hours ago, cobrajet said:

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  5 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

They could at least let Timmy finish out his contract! Smh my day "WAS" good until I read this crap! Smh

Maybe this quick analysis will make you see why this is much more probably gonna end up being a good move than a bad one
 

And if you're familiar with RSR, you know that Tony Lombardy isn't the guy who will defend everything about the Ravens organization's actions.

Sorry bio, I will take a motivated Timmy and his production and a possible 3rd round comp pick next draft over moving up 25 spots in the third round this draft any day. IMHO Lombardi is the one who is wrong. He did not convince me one bit with his argument.

And how do you know we would have gotten a "motivated" Jernigan in 2017? And how do you know this "motivation" wouldn't have triggered even more boneheaded penalties?

I guess I don't know. I just have a feeling this young man is going to turn it up after seeing what Williams got. He would be a fool not to. My money is on him having a real good year.

[cobrajet]

  4 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  6 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

4 picks in the 1st 80, No reason not to walk away with minimum 3 Starters of 4, and I would even say 4 starter caliber players w/ 4 top 80 picks.

Preferably like this.
Round 1- Franchise Pass Rusher Barnett,TakMcKinley,Harris,Etc

Round 2- CB Tred.White,G.Conley, Kevin King, Tankersely,Tabor etc

Round 3 2 picks Offense-Schuster,Westbrook,Dupree, Kupp, etc

Round 4&5 OL Dan Skipper, McDermott, Zach Banner, Orlovsky

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

R1- M.Williams
R2- P.Elflein
R3- R.Anderson
R3- S.Jones
R4- Z.Banner
R5- Bug Howard
R6- Greg Pyke

Man l'll will be pumped up if our draft was like this. I also wouldn't mind having Derek Barnett in the first, Juju Smith in the second, Elflien in the third (if he makes it) and Sidney Jones in the third as well. That would be a dream draft. 👍

If that happens then I will completely change my opinion on this trade and sing praises to Ozzie. It seems a little too good to be true that the draft fall in line like that but you did get my hopes up a little.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  4 hours ago, cobrajet said:

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  5 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

They could at least let Timmy finish out his contract! Smh my day "WAS" good until I read this crap! Smh

Maybe this quick analysis will make you see why this is much more probably gonna end up being a good move than a bad one
 

And if you're familiar with RSR, you know that Tony Lombardy isn't the guy who will defend everything about the Ravens organization's actions.

Sorry bio, I will take a motivated Timmy and his production and a possible 3rd round comp pick next draft over moving up 25 spots in the third round this draft any day. IMHO Lombardi is the one who is wrong. He did not convince me one bit with his argument.

And how do you know we would have gotten a "motivated" Jernigan in 2017? And how do you know this "motivation" wouldn't have triggered even more boneheaded penalties?

I guess I don't know. I just have a feeling this young man is going to turn it up after seeing what Williams got. He would be a fool not to. My money is on him having a real good year.

Maybe so. Jernigan was not really a good fit for a 3-4 defense where DE need to have size & length (think Watt, Tuitt, Wilkerson). Basically Jernigan was limited to backing up the NT position in our defense. Last year, he wasn't effective as a DE especially against the run - which is why he was replaced by Michael Pierce later in the season. Moving to a 4-3 with the Eagles, he can play a DT that rushes the passer and doesn't have to play the run. Probably will have a better year just on volume of playing time, but he's not going to the Pro Bowl. And his stats here are easily replaced by Pierce, Kafusi, Urban, Davis & Henry.

The Ravens traded a player that wasn't a good fit and was in his walk year plus a 3rd Round comp pick (basically a 4th Rounder) for a top 3rd Round pick.

[Some Dumb Fan]

Our 3rd and 4th rounders have been better players or just good as our 1st and 2nd rounders the past 6 years. I'm actually excited.

[Raven'evermore]

I don't understand why so many posters here think that another team would actually give up anything more than what they did for a player who was losing snaps to an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE.

While it's all only hypothetical, if the Ravens can get an impact player (which should be more likely with a 74th than 99th pick,) than I think it's the Eagle's fans who after Jernigan leaves will be angry at their own front office, realizing that the 74th pick could have been their player. Time will tell.

Edited April 5 by Raven'evermore

[The Beak]

this move had everything to do with his fit on our defense, the writing was on the wall when we signed B Will, TJ would have been a backup , Pierce and Davis are going to be more productive at DE. I for one like this trade....

[sizzlingdoom]

HOME RUN for the Ravens! Like I called right when the season ended, the entire Ravens FO and staff are operating as if their hair as well as their back side being on fire. And they have every reason to.
First: good luck to Timmy. He will do awesome in Philly. He is undoubtedly a DT in a 4-3. He doesn't belong in a 3-4 at all. He'll kick tail next to Fletcher Cox.
More Importantly: This is a home run for the Ravens. If they take care of business in 3 weeks. Long Term, And Short Term. 100%. I could go off for a couple hours explaining why. This makes us better right now, and in the future. Zero downside. 100% upside move.
Touche' FO

[verified]

Another bust for ozzie man they keep piling up

[sizzlingdoom]

  10 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  10 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  11 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

4 picks in the 1st 80, No reason not to walk away with minimum 3 Starters of 4, and I would even say 4 starter caliber players w/ 4 top 80 picks.

Preferably like this.
Round 1- Franchise Pass Rusher Barnett,TakMcKinley,Harris,Etc

Round 2- CB Tred.White,G.Conley, Kevin King, Tankersely,Tabor etc

Round 3 2 picks Offense-Schuster,Westbrook,Dupree, Kupp, etc

Round 4&5 OL Dan Skipper, McDermott, Zach Banner, Orlovsky

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

R1- M.Williams
R2- P.Elflein
R3- R.Anderson
R3- S.Jones
R4- Z.Banner
R5- Bug Howard
R6- Greg Pyke

Man l'll will be pumped up if our draft was like this. I also wouldn't mind having Derek Barnett in the first, Juju Smith in the second, Elflien in the third (if he makes it) and Sidney Jones in the third as well. That would be a dream draft. 👍

What you just said sounds like mine too

[Halshayeji]

10 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

Great idea! Let's talk about anything other than the tough pill to swallow in Jernigans trade lol. Heck il bite coz I love ur comment.

if we somehow land all four that you listed then Ozzie and Decosts get an A+ in the whole offseason regardless of what happens with the last 3 picks. The best LT, a great Pass rusher (Suggs JR), and a fantastic Boldin type of WR in Ju Ju.  I'm a huge fan of all 3. That's winning right there! I'd disagree with sutton as I hope a few better options being there when it's time to pick. 

 

only problem is.... It's very optimistic to think the top 3 you listed are there when we pick. 

[RaRaRavens]

The Ravens effectively got a late 3rd round pick for the trade which when you think about it is pretty good. My initial reaction was they traded him for a 74th pick and obviously I was ecstatic. Then I found out we gave up the 99th pick to move up to the 74th and I was bummed out. But, now upon reflection and looking at draft value I'm back to thinking this wasn't so bad after all.

Even assuming Jernigan balls out and gets a huge contract next year, we couldn't have done better than a 98th or 99th compensatory pick in 2019 and that is assuming the best case scenario. Given Timmy's inconsistency the Ravens correctly played percentages and took the sure thing now which is better in two regards. The Ravens would never have gotten a 94th pick no matter how much contract money Timmy got next year and moreover this year's draft class is chock full of potential starters in several positions.

So, when you look at the big picture and what the Ravens had in terms of depth along the D-line this was an obvious trade and a good one at that.

Very good observation regarding the best possible potential compensatory pick we might get for Jernigan. It really is a smart move in that perspective.

[sizzlingdoom]

We might have to move up with one of them to make this happen, but how amazing would it be if we added these 4 guys to our team with our first 4 picks-

Derek Barnett
Ju Ju Smith-Schuster
D'onta Foreman
Pat Elfein

I would be stoked with Sidney Jones in place of Foreman as well.

After the FA we just had, if we hit this draft on the head, which I think we will, we really have a chance to jump right back on top of the division. To say the least.

[law215]

What gets lost in all of this is another high round pick of OZ that , for whatever reason, did not make it pass rookie contract or failed to live up to expectations. Elam, Kruger, Oher, Kindle, Cody, Travis Taylor, Upshaw, KO, Torrey, A Brown, M Clayton (who he drafted with A Rod on the board and Kyle Boller as the QB).

There were a lot of key free agents (Boldin, Pollard, Leach, McCrary, Adams, Sharp, Woodson, Birk, McKinney, etc...) on the Ravens 2 super bowl teams. OZ does a really good job, if not the best job, at filling the pieces within a budget and drafting value in mid-late rounds. Drafting skill positions which is what the Ravens always seems to lack, not so much, at least not in the last 8 years.

Until I see consistent drafts at those positions, I am not that excited about number of picks or where we pick. It's hard to image with the depth of talent in this draft that the Ravens somehow miss on any player in the top 3 rounds, but lately, missing on at least one player in rounds 1-3 has been routine.

For the fans that will argue that's every NFL team, fair enough, but stop the blind Wizard of OZ and in OZ we trust rhetoric no matter what he fails to do.

[BigUgly]

So the Ravens traded a former second-rounder, the only productive interior pass-rusher, one of the few guys with attitude, in his contract year, in order to save $1M and move up 24 spots in the third round? I don't get it. This doesn't help the team win in 2017, which had better happen or Harbs and maybe even Ozzie will be gone.

For the $1M, you can't sign a player even half as productive. If they were worried about re-signing him next year, let another team overpay and receive a probable 3rd round comp pick.  Eagles got a good deal here.

[sizzlingdoom]

Nick Mangold is visiting today

[BigUgly]

Just now, sizzlingdoom said:

Nick Mangold is visiting today

Well, can't sign anyone now until after May 19th without losing a comp pick, but the $1M from the Jernigan trade would cover a vet minimum deal for Mangold.

[20306cab]

Jernigan was nothing special, but he's definitely better than these other guys they keep mentioning. Davis, Henry, Kaufusi and Urban, are you kidding me. All these guys together have done nothing. They already lost their best DE, in Guy. Orr is gone. Suggs is hanging on. Judon and Smith. Really? Correa? Sheesh. You could have six All Pros in the secondary, and they still won't be able to cover everyone for six seconds. This defense has not improved. The offense is a disaster. But, hey, everyone keep drinking the purple Kool Aid.

[sizzlingdoom]

What gets lost in all of this is another high round pick of OZ that , for whatever reason, did not make it pass rookie contract or failed to live up to expectations. Elam, Kruger, Oher, Kindle, Cody, Travis Taylor, Upshaw, KO, Torrey, A Brown, M Clayton (who he drafted with A Rod on the board and Kyle Boller as the QB).

There were a lot of key free agents (Boldin, Pollard, Leach, McCrary, Adams, Sharp, Woodson, Birk, McKinney, etc...) on the Ravens 2 super bowl teams. OZ does a really good job, if not the best job, at filling the pieces within a budget and drafting value in mid-late rounds. Drafting skill positions which is what the Ravens always seems to lack, not so much, at least not in the last 8 years.

Until I see consistent drafts at those positions, I am not that excited about number of picks or where we pick. It's hard to image with the depth of talent in this draft that the Ravens somehow miss on any player in the top 3 rounds, but lately, missing on at least one player in rounds 1-3 has been routine.

For the fans that will argue that's every NFL team, fair enough, but stop the blind Wizard of OZ and in OZ we trust rhetoric no matter what he fails to do.

We've been missing on a lot of high picks lately. No doubt. Doesn't dismiss how stoked I am about this draft. And the picks we have. It'll be hard to screw this one up.
I'm not exaggerating at when I say this. We just moved up from 99 to 74. I feel like pick 74 in this draft, holds the talent of about pick 44 in a normal draft.
Believe me, I was one of the biggest voices over the past month or two when it comes to being unhappy about how badly we've been missing on high picks over the past several years. We're DUE. lol.
We should be able to go BPA, while filling needs in this draft. While bringing in a couple cornerstones as well.
The FO scares the crap out of me on draft day, especially in the second round, but that won't damper my excitement this year!
Jefferson and Carr are HUGE adds. Keeping BWill too obviously.
And Frankly I think the rotation that'll take Timmy's place will outproduce Timmy for sure.
Mangold is visiting today too

[sizzlingdoom]

  24 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Nick Mangold is visiting today

Well, can't sign anyone now until after May 19th without losing a comp pick, but the $1M from the Jernigan trade would cover a vet minimum deal for Mangold.

people get way to caught up with the comp picks. If the Ravens think Mangold is a Center that can play at a high level for us for a year or two, they should sign him today

[sizzlingdoom]

Jernigan was nothing special, but he's definitely better than these other guys they keep mentioning. Davis, Henry, Kaufusi and Urban, are you kidding me. All these guys together have done nothing. They already lost their best DE, in Guy. Orr is gone. Suggs is hanging on. Judon and Smith. Really? Correa? Sheesh. You could have six All Pros in the secondary, and they still won't be able to cover everyone for six seconds. This defense has not improved. The offense is a disaster. But, hey, everyone keep drinking the purple Kool Aid.

The defense has not improved??????LOL, Really?

[sizzlingdoom]

I think all of us know we're going after a pass rusher with one of our first 2 picks. I wasn't a big fan at first, but now I'm really liking the idea of putting Takk opposite Sizzle if we go pass rusher at 16. I think he can stop the run too. Could be the last missing piece to the top D in the league. I know we need to fill Orr's spot. Not worried about that what so ever. Orr was undrafted and looked like a star in the middle of our D. Not worried about filling that ILB spot. We have a couple in house candidates, the whole draft, and cuts still. Pierce, Urban, Kufasi, Henry, and Davis will easily outproduce Timmy's spot and past. And know plenty of yall doubt that, just wait. Top D coming up. Our fans still have no idea about the effect that Tony is gonna have on our whole D