Jernigan TRADE to Eagles

[Rahul]

TRADE! Eagles announce they've dealt for DT Timmy Jernigan and a 3rd-round pick (99th overall). Baltimore gets a third (74th overall) back.

Pros - We move up 25 spots in the 3rd round = Draft ammo (pick Nos. 16, 47, 74 and 78 in 2017 draft)

Cons - Inexperienced DL and who is going to generate inside pass rush ?

 

Edited April 4 by Rahul

[raven94]

2 minutes ago, Rahul said:

TRADE! Eagles announce they've dealt for DT Timmy Jernigan and a 3rd-round pick (99th overall). Baltimore gets a third (74th overall) back.

Pros - We move up 25 spots in the 3rd round = Draft ammo

Cons - Inexperienced DL and who is going to generate inside pass rush ?

 

In all fairness Jernigan wasn't really getting much of a pass rush after about the 4th game last year.

[Rahul]

Did we get enough value to Trade him just to move up 25 spots in Round 3? That remains to be seen.

 

 

[raven94]

7 minutes ago, Rahul said:

Did we get enough value to Trade him just to move up 25 spots in Round 3? That remains to be seen.

 

 

True. Plus I think it was our comp pick that got put in the trade. I think were priming for more trades to be honest

[Underdogsontop!]

I liked timmys porential, but got frustrated with him for some of his dumb penalties. He probably would have done better being that this is his contract year. I just wish we got a 2nd round pick for him and our 3rd. Thst would have been pretty sweet

[ravensnation5220]

In this draft that 3rd round pick has the value of a 2nd round pick. I also think the ravens were fet up with jernigan. He was too inconsistent 

[RaineV1]

7 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

In this draft that 3rd round pick has the value of a 2nd round pick. I also think the ravens were fet up with jernigan. He was too inconsistent 

Inconsistent and penalty prone.

Having another pick in the first half of the 3rd round could be pretty big. There's some good players that could still be on the board for that. I'd say the value is possibly better than the 4th comp we may have gotten from him (though that was far from guaranteed).

[Ravens4Real]

I don't know how we can do anything but take the best pass rusher available now, in the first round. 

We basically have 0 pass rush to speak of. We could honestly have the worst set of pass rushers in the league. 

If we wait until the second round and take a project, our defense could take a major hit.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Inconsistent and penalty prone.

Having another pick in the first half of the 3rd round could be pretty big. There's some good players that could still be on the board for that. I'd say the value is possibly better than the 4th comp we may have gotten from him (though that was far from guaranteed).

Yet I still get negged lol. I honestly don't think we're done trading with draft picks. This might just be the start

[rossihunter2]

I think this move indicates that we think a load of qbs and rbs are going to get overdrafted in the first two rounds and that with our first 4 picks we could nab 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in talent value - I wish we hadn't given him away so cheaply but at least it wasn't for 10 spots - to be fair 25 spots is close enough as is to a whole round and given the deep class of talent could be crucial in landing another promising starter

[RaineV1]

Guys that stand out as people we could possibly get from this move are Elflien, Antonio Garcia, Derek Rivers, and a sliding Sidney Jones.

[Edgar]

Maybe Allen will slide....genius.

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Guys that stand out as people we could possibly get from this move are Elflien, Antonio Garcia, Derek Rivers, and a sliding Sidney Jones.

Pretty much everyone we could be targeting with our original 3rd lol

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, Edgar said:

Maybe Allen will slide....genius.

I honestly think he could with his shoulder issues. I've been thinking about this cenario for a long time but I think it's very unlikely he falls to 16. Then again what do we know

[JoeyFlex5]

We could very well be looking to trade up in the second by offering our original 3rd. I also wouldn't be surprised if we were looking to move our second to possibly move up for mike Williams or Barnett, having a high third takes the sting out of that a little bit, I think it's very possible.

i honestly like it, because I think the absolute most we would get from Jernigan is a late third the following year, moving up that many spots this year instead is better return imo. I think realistically we would only get a 4th though.

[ravensnation5220]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We could very well be looking to trade up in the second by offering our original 3rd. I also wouldn't be surprised if we were looking to move our second to possibly move up for mike Williams or Barnett, having a high third takes the sting out of that a little bit, I think it's very possible.

i honestly like it, because I think the absolute most we would get from Jernigan is a late third the following year, moving up that many spots this year instead is better return imo. I think realistically we would only get a 4th though.

I agree. Maybe we could move up to target Oj Howard as well. He seems like a player Ozzie would love to have. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I agree. Maybe we could move up to target Oj Howard as well. He seems like a player Ozzie would love to have. 

That one would surprise me considering all the investment we've made at TE, I would like it though.

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

That one would surprise me considering all the investment we've made at TE, I would like it though.

Ya but none of them are really proven, and Howard would be a major upgrade over all of them regardless. Then if maxx Williams develops like we hope we have a really nice tight end group that we can use in a 2 tight end set. Which we already like to run. 

[raven94]

58 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Yet I still get negged lol. I honestly don't think we're done trading with draft picks. This might just be the start

That's what I'm thinking. An early 3rd round pick has more value than a 3rd comp. I think we're priming to really make some moves on draft day, whether we're going to be moving back and getting more or moving up to get better players

 

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, raven94 said:

That's what I'm thinking. An early 3rd round pick has more value than a 3rd comp. I think we're priming to really make some moves on draft day, whether we're going to be moving back and getting more or moving up to get better players

 

I almost want us to trade some more players for picks lol. Like Gillmore for example. 

[Edgar]

Eagles have to feel they made a good trade. 

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Eagles have to feel they made a good trade. 

Until they see that unsportsmanlike conduct penalty 5 or 6 times a year lol

[hn68wb4]

As much of an advocate I am for trading back, I have to think that upgrading the value of our picks could signal that we're exploring trading up.- "could" being the important word there, not saying we will. Maybe we will trade back and we're just genuinely going to stockpile players from this draft.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Pretty much everyone we could be targeting with our original 3rd lol

I think if this trade isn't to facilitate even more trading then I think it could be a way to more easily double dip on talented receivers if one of them were to be Moreau or Sidney Jones e.g. if we nabbed one of them at 74 and then akhello Witherspoon or at 78 or something like that

but yeah this feels like maneouvering for 1 of two potential reasons: 1) because we have 2 targets that we won't think make it to the end of the 3rd (i.e. there is a tier of guys we think will be emptied by the middle of the 3rd and the fall off is large to the next one - I can agree with that idea given my board at the moment) or 2) we think the value of one of those higher 3rds will be enough to entice a team to trade down with us so we can grab a falling guy who we covet in round 1 (because I can't see us trading away a 3rd to trade up in the 2nd)

[ravensnation5220]

@rossihunter2 I would honestly be shocked if we didn't make more moves. We are in win now mode and are desperate to make the playoffs. I think Ozzie will try to make a move and try to get some serious talent. I don't think he wants Harbaugh to get fired and if we miss the playoffs again he might go. I expect us to be very aggressive in making trades throughout the draft process

[hn68wb4]

9 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@rossihunter2 I would honestly be shocked if we didn't make more moves. We are in win now mode and are desperate to make the playoffs. I think Ozzie will try to make a move and try to get some serious talent. I don't think he wants Harbaugh to get fired and if we miss the playoffs again he might go. I expect us to be very aggressive in making trades throughout the draft process

I don't know if I'd consider us "win now" mode considering these moves. I think that philosophy would say to keep Jernigan and Zuttah and use our picks to trade for players. I think we're in a weird middle ground.

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@rossihunter2 I would honestly be shocked if we didn't make more moves. We are in win now mode and are desperate to make the playoffs. I think Ozzie will try to make a move and try to get some serious talent. I don't think he wants Harbaugh to get fired and if we miss the playoffs again he might go. I expect us to be very aggressive in making trades throughout the draft process

Of course we are in win now mode but I do think the front office has learned how to retool the team sustainably with regards to the cap so I don't think it's going to be a case of shooting for the moon - I know I didn't see the Timmy trade coming but I can't think what other trades we might make pre-draft and with this new 3rd rounder I don't see it being used on anything other than a first round trade if we don't just pick because that's a lot of value to give away for a trade up in the 2nd if so

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't know if I'd consider us "win now" mode considering these moves. I think that philosophy would say to keep Jernigan and Zuttah and use our picks to trade for players. I think we're in a weird middle ground.

I think those moves reflect more towards our identity as a football team. I think if we make the playoffs anything can happen thanks to flacco, our plan is to just make the playoffs and go from there

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't know if I'd consider us "win now" mode considering these moves. I think that philosophy would say to keep Jernigan and Zuttah and use our picks to trade for players. I think we're in a weird middle ground.

I agree - it feels more sustainable with regards to cap maintenance and player turnover and emphasises good drafting even more than it was already - I'm fine with this middle ground as long as the team is winning - if this ends up contributing to continuous mediocrity I'll be incredibly disappointed but otherwise it seems like part of a sustainable process to maintain high long term team performance levels

[jboy19]

I wouldn't feel comfortable with Urban or Kaufusi playing 3T, or with Pierce playing 3T full time, so I guess my ideal situation would be to go for a guy like Caleb Brantley, Carlos Watkins or Larry Ugunjobi in the Rounds 3-4 range to compete with Willie Henry for snaps. Idk, I didn't watch many Interior DL.