Jernigan traded to the Eagles

[Jonah DeVito]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

This.  He did nothing in the last four games.  All of his sacks came in the first half of the season.

He did nothing in the last 7 games even. 

[jdynamite]

33 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think the issue here is the swap more than it is the trade. If we got a pick without giving up a pick and Jernigan then I think there would be more love for the move. People praise Belichick for making moves like this and this is that type of move. We dropped him while his value is at its highest. I'm not a fan of the move honestly because I'd like to keep the DL intact since we've lost guys at virtually every level of the defense this year and have a shakeup already but have only added to that. 

 

Thats exactly my feelings on both thoughts above. 

If the move was made and we secured their pick giving us three 3rd rounders, then I'm beyond ecstatic. I'm jumping around even if we parted with a 4th this year and next year's 5th rounder. 

 

Also I was already bummed that we lost L.Guy he played very well last year didn't get a ton of credit for it. 

 

This will give a bunch of young guys the opportunity to compete for 2 starting spots, Urban might be ready. Pierce had an excellent rookie year to build on. 

C.Davis, Kaufusi, W.Henry all have incompletes, there's barely even any Preseason film between those three and all coming from IR.

 

The draft might provide even more competition. 

[gtalk12]

7 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

See my post above. I did know he was on the IR. I was talking about 2015 where he disappeared and did nothing.

 

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

I forgot who it was on this board that was trying to convince me Julio Jones missed out on most of the year....either have an idea or just listen and learn lmao

[BmoreBird22]

43 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

You were definitely a fan of Davis.

He gave the pick a B and said he didn't watch Davis and only read about him.

[BmoreBird22]

42 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

no i wasn't. I said I had serious concerns about him..gave him a c- grade

 

 

stop BS'ing

Try a big B

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Davis was out on the IR last year after hurting his ankle in the final preseason game. It was not season ending but they still decided to put him on the IR anyways. If that doesn't speak to how he is viewed by the coaching staff, then I don't know what is.

There's this thing called a roster spot. They tend to be valuable. 

And if a guy gets injured later, he cannot be on the PUP and must occupy a roster spot for the time he is injured. 

That sounds like an excellent move.

[Cillmatic]

We got a pretty high third round pick for Jernigan and a comp third. That's more than we would've gotten next year when we would've gotten a comp 4th round pick. Good trade on both sides until Jernigan burns out after 6 games and Eagle fans start wondering what happened.  This forum is mad depressing.

[Ravens4Real]

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

I don't want to hear anyone mention Jernigan as inconsistent and then try to say Carl Davis can replace him. It's just stupid. Davis is worse than Jernigan at disappearing. He managed to do it for the whole year outside of the preseason and a game or two early.

 

6 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

I forgot who it was on this board that was trying to convince me Julio Jones missed out on most of the year....either have an idea or just listen and learn lmao

The above is my initial post in regards to posters saying I didn't know he was on the IR. Where exactly does it say that I was talking about last year? Or are we just going to rush to judgment because a couple posters are upset? 

When in actuality, exactly what I said is what happened in 2015 to him. I guess I just couldn't have forgotten to type 2015? Yeah, you fools are right. My bad. 

[sflegend89]

Don't hate the idea of the trade, not thrilled with the return. Boldin, Zuttah, now Jernigan.... this front office never seems to get fairly compensated for quality players. 25 spots in the 3rd for a player like Jernigan who they can re-sign to a long term deal is pretty weak. Do we know how to play hardball? There is still plenty of time before the draft. If I'm Ozzie I'm saying "We need more on our end, Jernigan is an outstanding player, you know how to get in contact with us if you change your mind".

Then in a week or two if they don't bite then take the original offer. I just see no reason not to continue to shop him and just settle for what we got. What's the rush to unload him?

Edited April 4 by sflegend89

[TurkishRaven]

So I am not clear on how comp picks work but as far as I know, a team cannot get a comp pick if they sign the same number of players as they lost. If that's the case why people keep saying that we would get a 3th round or 4th round comp pick next year? What if we sign players and get nothing for him?

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

 

The above is my initial post in regards to posters saying I didn't know he was on the IR. Where exactly does it say that I was talking about last year? Or are we just going to rush to judgment because a couple posters are upset? 

When in actuality, exactly what I said is what happened in 2015 to him. I guess I just couldn't have forgotten to type 2015? Yeah, you fools are right. My bad. 

Because no player has ever had a really poor rookie season only to play well the next >.>

[Ravens4Real]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Because no player has ever had a really poor rookie season only to play well the next >.>

Well let me know when Carl Davis does that. Because he hasn't. He was actually put on the IR because the coaching staff wanted to stash him away because he wasn't ready. 

Edited April 4 by Ravens4Real

[arnie_uk]

2 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

They must be high on kaufusi. I'm guessing DL will be a position we address pretty early in the draft.

That make it what 4 of the last 5 drafts?

Williams, jerrnigan, davis, kafusi all in the top 3. One 2 down run stuffer to show for it.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

Well let me know when Carl Davis does that. Because he hasn't. He was actually put on the IR because the coaching stash wanted to stash him away because he wasn't ready. 

I never said he would be great, but let's not write a player off after one season.

And if his injury was going to be six, seven, eight weeks (I have no idea what the diagnosis was), then he's occupying a roster spot for that time. He can't go on the PUP or any place where he wasn't on the roster. Roster spots are valuable. Why let him occupy a spot if he's out for a while and would take time to get back into football shape?

[Ravens4Real]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I never said he would be great, but let's not write a player off after one season.

And if his injury was going to be six, seven, eight weeks (I have no idea what the diagnosis was), then he's occupying a roster spot for that time. He can't go on the PUP or any place where he wasn't on the roster. Roster spots are valuable. Why let him occupy a spot if he's out for a while and would take time to get back into football shape?

Why put a young player on the shelf all season if he's not hurt? Especially if he had any chance to play or help the team out? 

It boils down to the coaching staff knowing he wasn't even in the plans to help the team out.

[jazz1988]

38 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

 

We've had a much higher percentage of players perform well on their contract year of their rookie deals than those that haven't. 

Off the top of my head: Ellerbe, Kruger, McPhee, A.Jones, Osemele, T.Smith  earned themselves big contracts elsewhere. 

One of the only guys to play significant time then leave following their rookie contract and not get paid is Upshaw. 

Just because he's been traded today doesn't mean I'm changing my tune. I felt Jernigan was going to take yet another step forward this year get about 8+ sacks this year. 

Now everyone like he faded at the end of last year, the entire defense faded at the end of last year. 

 

The Raven are in a win now mode and already invested heavily into their defensive line. When Ellerbe, Kruger, Mcphee, Jones, Osemele  and  T Smith were free agent The Ravens weren't in the situation they are  in now.   If they felt like Timmy Jernigan was going to take the next step then he wouldn't have been traded and if they didn't feel like they had in house candidates to replace his production  then he wouldn't have been traded.If Jernigan fading at   the end of the last year was just a  one time thing then I  would question the move more  but it wasn't because he did the same thing in 2015. His snaps decreased last year as the season went on but his effectiveness continue to  be inconsistent.  I know he's in a contract year  and that may give him extra motivation but his extra motivation should  have  been last year as well because he knew Brandon Williams was going to be a free agent and he could have made a strong case to The Ravens to give him extension instead of Williams. The Ravens pass rush sucked later on in the season and losing Jimmy Smith in games they needed him most didn't help either but Suggs was playing with one arm, Matt Judon was a rookie, Doom was coming off acl tear, and  Timmy Jerigan was a player that saw his snaps reduced and still was ineffective.

 

Edited April 4 by jazz1988

[Jonah DeVito]

I have mixed feelings about this. Jernigan was one of my favorite players on the team but he was likely gone after this year. His impact was minimal the entire second half of the season. As far as the swapping of picks, of course I would rather have a pick straight up. But he isn't worth a 3rd, and the swap is as good if not better than a straight up 4th. Quality is better than quantity in terms of picks, and we can definitely get a 2nd round player with the 74th pick. The difference between a really late 3rd and an early 3rd is rather big. That swap could very well be the difference in us being able to get Eiflen or another great prospect in the 3rd, rather than watching those guys leave the board. That pick is also worth a ton more than the 99th, and we very well might use that to trade up in the 1st to grab a guy like Mike Williams or Barnett. I'm really excited to see Urban healthy, I think he could be just as good or better than Guy. If we have Urban, Williams, and Pierce starting, that is a huge Dline and would be awesome in my opinion. Throw in guys like Henry, Davis, and Kaufusi, and I don't think we will miss Jernigan too much. 

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Why put a young player on the shelf all season if he's not hurt? Especially if he had any chance to play or help the team out? 

It boils down to the coaching staff knowing he wasn't even in the plans to help the team out.

Didn't you say he had an ankle injury?

[arnie_uk]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't you say he had an ankle injury?

I seem to recall it was one of those phantom irs.

[sflegend89]

2 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Jernigan was the best and only good pass rusher we had. And he had the highest run stopping grade from pff of any 3-4 DE. And he's only 24 years old. Eagles got a great deal

He was certainly worth more than we got. The pick swap should've been for our 4th, not our 3rd round comp pick. The fact that we couldn't play hardball for that to be the trade is concerning. If they wanted Jernigan that bad they would've done it. Just seemed like a lack of patience on our part, what was the rush to get a deal done today? Push for a better deal and wait it out. I HIGHLY doubt the Eagles would've pulled that offer if we didn't take it today.

[Jonah DeVito]

4 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Why put a young player on the shelf all season if he's not hurt? Especially if he had any chance to play or help the team out? 

It boils down to the coaching staff knowing he wasn't even in the plans to help the team out.

He was hurt...

[rossihunter2]

This move confirms to me that the front office really have confidence in their last couple of rookie classes to step up and takeover from our recent "epidemic" of placeholder/middling starters - this offseason has been all about 2 things: adding ascending quality players (not woodhead) and creating/leaving "holes" at center, defensive tackle and linebacker and not re-signing middling vets at defensive end, right tackle, wide receiver, h-back

Options to step up at each position of need:

wr: campanaro, Moore, perriman (nearly the entire corps)

center: urschel, skura, Jensen

h-back: taliafero, Boyle

rt: nembot, wesley, Lewis 

dt: Henry, Davis, pierce

de: urban, kaufusi

lb: judon, correa, onwuasor

if even a couple of young guys at any of these positions step up then the front office will probably feel justified especially with the incoming rookie class hopefully adding good competition at some of these spots

[Ravens4Real]

4 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

I seem to recall it was one of those phantom irs.

Thank you. Some people don't understand that.

[Jonah DeVito]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

He was certainly worth more than we got. The pick swap should've been for our 4th, not our 3rd round comp pick. The fact that we couldn't play hardball for that to be the trade is concerning. If they wanted Jernigan that bad they would've done it. Just seemed like a lack of patience on our part, what was the rush to get a deal done today? Push for a better deal and wait it out. I HIGHLY doubt the Eagles would've pulled that offer if we didn't take it today.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you know what's been going on in the FO. None of what you just said is a fact, you are guessing. No one said the Eagles really wanted Jernigan. For all we know the two teams have been talking for weeks. 

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

That make it what 4 of the last 5 drafts?

Williams, jerrnigan, davis, kafusi all in the top 3. One 2 down run stuffer to show for it.

This is what gets me.  So many high picks invested.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I know one thing with both 

Pierce, Michael and

Williams, Brandon

up front thats a lot of BIG to try and run through and push around.

[sflegend89]

7 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you know what's been going on in the FO. None of what you just said is a fact, you are guessing. No one said the Eagles really wanted Jernigan. For all we know the two teams have been talking for weeks. 

That's true, it just seemed like a meh haul considering they are getting a guy who is a 1st round talent at 24 years old who hasn't even played his best ball yet. Just like we say with paying players "Don't pay them for what they've already done, pay them for what they will do". Same applies to trades, the compensation should reflect what they're going to do in the future. Jernigan is very good player who is only going to get better. Seems like the haul should've been better considering his age and talent.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Man, some of y'all really support every single thing this FO does. It's okay to disagree with a move and still be a fan. 

I assume this is pointed at me... 

I just expected it to happen and see the rationale. 

I also think Jernigan is overvalued here. He hasn't put it together in 3 years with ample opportunity. Don't expect it to suddenly happen for him. 

He was clearly already losing snaps as the year went on, and if Pierce continues to play well through camp I expect that would have only continued further. 

Couple that with the talent likely available early 3rd round of this draft I won't be surprised one bit if we end up with better production on the field (Pierce vs Jernigan) and a much better prospect (74 vs 99).

Jernigan is Art Jones 2.0 except Jernigan has been less consistent. And was never going to net us the 3rd round comp some think.

He's not the difference between us making the playoffs and not.

 

And yes definitely ok to disagree. But it's also ok to agree with an unpopular move. Just a hunch that when we see who's on the board at 74 and the pick... we'll love the fact that we came away with 2 players in that short span of picks. 

Even moreso when Pierce has a breakout campaign. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Supychou said:

Lmao.
Another amazing trade by the FO! 

How about trading Mosley and our 16th for the Colts 15th? After all, Mosley will need a new contract soon and is one of our best young defensive players also. And we would get 1 pick closer!!!
 

Teams in the NFL must be happy to trade with us. It costs them basically nothing and they get a ProBowler-typish player.

Jernigans a pro bowl player??

lol

overstatement of the century. He's had a handful of games where he's looked like he could be. But he's never put it together. 

Cool if you don't like the move, but come on with the extreme attempted comparisons. Mosley is on another level, one of the top young players at his position and will be resigned. 

Jernigan is a solid run defender who has never even been a top 50 player in terms of pass rush productivity. 

Maybe he puts it together in Philly, and I hope he does. It's a much better environment for him in terms of scheme fit. 

 

But i imagine we'll get every bit of his production and maybe more from Pierce. Sure he's never been a full time player but Jernigans never shown up full time either. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

People are also assuming that Pierce was going to eventually take his spot on the DL. We have no clue how Pierce is going to handle a full workload. We have seen in the past that some guys are much better suited to being a rotational piece. 

Also, our other DT spot is a total mess. Urban can't stay healthy and can be just as invisible as Jernigan. We also have no clue about Kaufusi. I didn't follow his college career. Is he injury prone? Can he even handle being a starting DT in this league? No one has a clue at this time. 

At least this year, at worst, our starting D line could have been Pierce-Williams-Jernigan. Now? I have no clue how bad it actually could get.

Urban/Kaufusi aren't DT's they're 5T DE's. 

Pierce wouldn't play there and Jernigan isn't suited to play there either other than maybe on early downs if you're looking to really beef up the DL. 

Moving Jernigan does nothing to effect that spot. It was up to Urban/Kaufusi to own it, draft, or bring in a vet. Still is. 

Youre right in that we don't know how Pierce will do in a larger role, but clearly the coaches were planning to find out anyways. Between Pierce, Davis, Henry and a potential draft pick -- we'll be alright. 

 

Jernigan leaving effects this year. That's it. So unless Jernigan was the difference between us winning the Super Bowl or not, it made sense to get what we could.... especially if they're confident the caliber of player available at 74 compared to 99 is difference making bc that player will be here cheap for the next 4 years. 

 

I don't think it's a great move that makes us much better (until we see who we get at 74), but I also don't see it as a move that hurts us all that much. 

 

If Pierce can consistently play at the level he flashed last year then we've got a better starter at DT. 

If he's inconsistent while still flashing that ability then we essentially have Jernigan with less depth. It's not make or break. 

Edited April 4 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK