Why the john Ross hype?

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I expected more from Ridley this year. After his previous season I thought he was gonna burst onto the scene as the best wr in the nation

Ridley will worry me as a draft prospect. He will be 25 or 26 when he gets to the NFL. If you take him it would only be for 4 years then let him sign elsewhere

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ridley will worry me as a draft prospect. He will be 25 or 26 when he gets to the NFL. If you take him it would only be for 4 years then let him sign elsewhere

Man I'm already falling out of love with Ridley and he's not even a prospect yet

[ravensnation5220]

18 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Man I'm already falling out of love with Ridley and he's not even a prospect yet

I love the talent I just wish he was a lot younger. It'd be a tough investment for a team to make on a receiver who is already 25. They usually start dropping off in production by 28

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ridley will worry me as a draft prospect. He will be 25 or 26 when he gets to the NFL. If you take him it would only be for 4 years then let him sign elsewhere

I didn't realize he was that old already. Def makes a high investment more difficult to swallow. 

At that age you have to be sure he's a legit #1 the day he steps onto the field for you. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I love the talent I just wish he was a lot younger. It'd be a tough investment for a team to make on a receiver who is already 25. They usually start dropping off in production by 28

No I just looked it up... he's only 22 and won't be 23 until the national championship. 

So he'd be turning 24 at the end of his rookie season, and would be 27 entering his 5th year option season if he's drafted 1st round. 

Edited April 5 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ravensnation5220]

43 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No I just looked it up... he's only 22 and won't be 23 until the national championship. 

So he'd be turning 24 at the end of his rookie season, and would be 27 entering his 5th year option season if he's drafted 1st round. 

Oh my bad. Your right He is. I just remembered he was a 21 year old freshman 

[AnthonyGames]

I think John Ross looks very Antonio Brown like 

[trevorsteadman]

6 hours ago, AnthonyGames said:

I think John Ross looks very Antonio Brown like 

I think Mike Williams looks like AJ Green and Corey Davis looks like Demaryius Thomas....

A lot of players play the same game but will never reach that ceiling. Antonio Brown ran a 4.6 and was drafted way late. Ross has an injury history, and Corey Davis is almost starting to look that way as well, which makes me very hesitant to draft him. Ross' game is based a lot on his speed and the more these wear and tear injuries occur, the slower he will be and have a harder time in the NFL. For an example of this it reminds me of Victor Cruz with the Giants. A lot of potential and broke out onto the scene and everybody thought he was going to be the next big receiver in the NFL. Next thing you know 2 or 3 injuries later.... He is still unsigned in free agency.

I know you cannot predict injuries but you have to take them into account. To me Williams and Davis have just as high of ceillings as Ross, fits the mold of what the Ravens need more than Ross does, and have less of an injury history and I think a higher floor.

[PurpleHorseman]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I expected more from Ridley this year. After his previous season I thought he was gonna burst onto the scene as the best wr in the nation

Ridley is awesome. I don't care about his college production. His QB is a drag. Ridley is freaking amazing!

[Jonah DeVito]

Because he is fast. 

[Tru11]

the amount of redzone TDs he had compared to other receivers and the speed he has is worthy of a lot of hype.

think he had the most redzone TDs of all wide receivers.

he is more then just a deep threat .

could be excellent in the slot with perriman and wallace on the outside.

[arnie_uk]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

the amount of redzone TDs he had compared to other receivers and the speed he has is worthy of a lot of hype.

think he had the most redzone TDs of all wide receivers.

he is more then just a deep threat .

could be excellent in the slot with perriman and wallace on the outside.

Exactly this. John Ross is nothing like Perriman. I have him based on talent, in my top 10. 

He will have a great career if he stays fit. Fast shifty outside inside every route game breaker.

Edited April 5 by arnie_uk

[Davesta]

Is it me, or does the presser and all the articles make it seem like they value John Ross more than Corey Davis? I don't know how I would feel if both were on the board and they select ross

[Cville-Raven]

I think he's a lot better than he's given credit for and I believe the absurd 40 time skewed a lot of people against him. If he can move around around and stay healthy I think he'll have a pretty good career.  He clearly has the playmaking ability to score and anyone who scores TD's is welcome to be on the Ravens as far as I'm concerned. Concerned more with his health than his play. 

[RaineV1]

Thinking about it more, I'm okay with John Ross as the pick at 16. The guy's TD to catch ratio is insane, especially in the redzone. And unlike a lot of speedsters he is a natural hands catcher, rather than letting the ball hit his chest. The injuries worry me, but if Mike Williams and Barnett are off the board, Ross could be the top guy left on our board.

[RavensDieHard21]

I know most are still hanging tight that Barnett Foster or M. Williams will be there, but being pragmatic, I think there is a sliver of a chance that they are.

The new realistic crop of available talent will likely be Ross, Lamp, Reddick, Humphrey, Conley, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd have my fingers crossed for Ross or Lamp.  

[RavensDieHard21]

11 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Thinking about it more, I'm okay with John Ross as the pick at 16. The guy's TD to catch ratio is insane, especially in the redzone. And unlike a lot of speedsters he is a natural hands catcher, rather than letting the ball hit his chest. The injuries worry me, but if Mike Williams and Barnett are off the board, Ross could be the top guy left on our board.

I'm glad more people are coming on board. Injury history in college has come to mean nothing. Guys like Mosley who were habitually banged up in college come into the pros and have almost no durability issues and there are other who have ironman streaks in college like Stanley, but happen to have injuries occur. It's a gamble either way. 

Ross is more of a total package than most will give him credit for. Him and Perriman only have speed in common and I think Ross is far more elusive and quick with solid hands.  

[Jonah DeVito]

25 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I'm glad more people are coming on board. Injury history in college has come to mean nothing. Guys like Mosley who were habitually banged up in college come into the pros and have almost no durability issues and there are other who have ironman streaks in college like Stanley, but happen to have injuries occur. It's a gamble either way. 

Ross is more of a total package than most will give him credit for. Him and Perriman only have speed in common and I think Ross is far more elusive and quick with solid hands.  

It really depends on the type of injuries really. Like Lattimore's past hamstring injuries, which tend to linger, are more concerning then some other random injuries.

Edited April 6 by Jonah DeVito

[PurpleHorseman]

12 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Because he is fast. 

He is more than fast. He could have average speed and be amazing. He has better raw skills than Beckham

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is more than fast. He could have average speed and be amazing. He has better raw skills than Beckham

David Beckham??

yea you're probably right. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is more than fast. He could have average speed and be amazing. He has better raw skills than Beckham

Oh really? Give an example of him having hands, body control, or a ball attacking mentality. Those are raw skills, not routes which can be picked up by any player who doesn't have stiff hips

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh really? Give an example of him having hands, body control, or a ball attacking mentality. Those are raw skills, not routes which can be picked up by any player who doesn't have stiff hips

Oh come on your over exaggerating here. The guy had 20 touchdowns, something like 17 of them were from inside the redzone. He scored a touchdown every 5 touches (roughly) and your telling me he doesn't have hands body control or a ball attacking mentality. Complete bull!

[rossihunter2]

22 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Oh come on your over exaggerating here. The guy had 20 touchdowns, something like 17 of them were from inside the redzone. He scored a touchdown every 5 touches (roughly) and your telling me he doesn't have hands body control or a ball attacking mentality. Complete bull!

i mean if its not on film then its not on film... stats dont tell every story

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Oh come on your over exaggerating here. The guy had 20 touchdowns, something like 17 of them were from inside the redzone. He scored a touchdown every 5 touches (roughly) and your telling me he doesn't have hands body control or a ball attacking mentality. Complete bull!

Remember "Touchdown Tommy" Streeter? Raw numbers mean nothing without film to show the traits, and his film shows a small catch radius and body catching. Not to say he doesn't have good hands or body control, but he definitely doesn't have a large catch radius and his film doesn't show much or any of the former 2. 

And I was more replying to the absurd statement that he has more raw ability than ODB, rather than saying he flat out doesn't have those traits. Even the fastest first round receiver is gonna be able to catch the ball, I'm just saying I don't like his fit for this offense because he is average in those regards and I think those are important to have because those are the features we lack currently. And to say he has more raw ability than odb is ridiculous, coming out he had the most explosive movements in recent memory and attacked the ball absolutely fierce, along with the elite circus catches. Ross isn't in the same universe as odb

[RavensDieHard21]

I mean, he might not attack the ball much because often he didn't have to. He left his man in the dust. If he were asked to run more slants and quick routes then I would be looking for those traits. He might not have a crazy catch radius like OBJ, but that doesn't necessarily make him less of a threat. Neither AB or Hilton have OBJ circus catches, but often they don't need to because they win at the line and get free in space. 

I do agree that his for in the offense is not preferable to Williams or Davis but we need to face facts that both of them are likely gone. 

[JoeyFlex5]

49 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I mean, he might not attack the ball much because often he didn't have to. He left his man in the dust. If he were asked to run more slants and quick routes then I would be looking for those traits. He might not have a crazy catch radius like OBJ, but that doesn't necessarily make him less of a threat. Neither AB or Hilton have OBJ circus catches, but often they don't need to because they win at the line and get free in space. 

I do agree that his for in the offense is not preferable to Williams or Davis but we need to face facts that both of them are likely gone. 

The last part is what I'm trying to get at. I'm not downplaying the guys abilities, I just prefer a different skill set because flacco has a tendency to slightly misplace the ball, don't go after a guy who needs to be hit in stride to take advantage of his talents, get the guy who our team can get the most out of. That paired with the injuries makes me not a big fan. And if we take him at 16 I'll be on board, don't get me wrong, I know what he's capable of...

And also Antonio brown can make some damn impressive catches, he does it way more often than the typical undersized receiver

[arnie_uk]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i mean if its not on film then its not on film... stats dont tell every story

You obviously haven't watch film on him then

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

You obviously haven't watch film on him then

Of course I have, otherwise I wouldn't be so vehemently against him at 16 - if I didn't watch film on him I probably would be easily swayed one way or the other... but alas I'm not

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The last part is what I'm trying to get at. I'm not downplaying the guys abilities, I just prefer a different skill set because flacco has a tendency to slightly misplace the ball, don't go after a guy who needs to be hit in stride to take advantage of his talents, get the guy who our team can get the most out of. That paired with the injuries makes me not a big fan. And if we take him at 16 I'll be on board, don't get me wrong, I know what he's capable of...

And also Antonio brown can make some damn impressive catches, he does it way more often than the typical undersized receiver

jumpballs dont lead to YAC.
hitting players in stride does.

 

[trevorsteadman]

I'm not sure if it is just because Corey Davis plays in a smaller conference or what, but his break away speed to me looks faster than John Ross. I do hesitate with him coming out of Western Michigan though.