Under the Radar Selections

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The Ravens will meet and determine if he's worth it.

On talent alone, he could be top 10, but I bet he goes much later because of off the field.

Wouldn't be too thrilled to see another running back, but he's electric any time he touches the ball.

He also has injury and fumble problems. His play on the feild isn't perfect either

[JoeyFlex5]

Also to the OP, Stanley was mocked to us regularly, a ton of people projected perriman to us for months(seemed like these forums was the only place that the idea wasn't too common) maxx williams and carl Davis as well. Mosley and brooks were also mocked to us regularly the year before. 

A lot of analysts have actually nailed our picks 

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Also to the OP, Stanley was mocked to us regularly, a ton of people projected perriman to us for months(seemed like these forums was the only place that the idea wasn't too common) maxx williams and carl Davis as well. Mosley and brooks were also mocked to us regularly the year before. 

A lot of analysts have actually nailed our picks 

nailed some of our picks at some points in the process - stanley was mocked to us often early on but not as the draft got closer, likewise carl davis - but there always seems to be one pick every year that always seems to have ravens drawn all over them:

judon last year, maxx the year before (carl davis was often mocked to us but a lot earlier than he actually went), 2014 was a crazy year for predictions with mosley, brooks and campanaro often being mocked to us

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

nailed some of our picks at some points in the process - stanley was mocked to us often early on but not as the draft got closer, likewise carl davis - but there always seems to be one pick every year that always seems to have ravens drawn all over them:

judon last year, maxx the year before (carl davis was often mocked to us but a lot earlier than he actually went), 2014 was a crazy year for predictions with mosley, brooks and campanaro often being mocked to us

Stanley was mocked to us for a long time until people started sleeping on bosa and then they had us taking him, then rumors circulated that the chargers were dead set on taking Stanley and then they surprised everyone with bosa, but if those rumors weren't out there you can bet that they probably would mock Stanley to us 

[rossihunter2]

51 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Stanley was mocked to us for a long time until people started sleeping on bosa and then they had us taking him, then rumors circulated that the chargers were dead set on taking Stanley and then they surprised everyone with bosa, but if those rumors weren't out there you can bet that they probably would mock Stanley to us 

from memory i remember most media pundits mocking bosa, ramsey, elliot, jack, buckner and tunsil as the first 6 non-qbs as soon as the two qbs were obviously going in the top 2 picks - at least in some combination

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

With his plethora of off the feild issues. I have a hard time thinking he will be high on our board

This places him securely under the radar.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

This places him securely under the radar.

More like under the bus

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Fournette and OJ Howard aren't really under the radar... and prob aren't talked about only bc they're not expected to fall to our pick, but if either did I think they'd be in very serious consideration especially Fournette. 

 

[ravefan52]

23 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Jourdan Lewis just had a dv case 

Curtis Samuel was mocked to us twice by Charlie from WF(he's been really accurate with the ravens) 

tank is a completely unwilling tackler 

oj is likely gone by 16 and njoku is very raw and Evan engram looks better in every facet 

tabor is an upcoming penalty magnet imo 

harris has been often mocked to us in the first and second, I wouldn't take him at 16 though 

feeney has always been one of my favorite prospects but realistically he's out of range, 16 is too early and he'll be gone by 48, but I would have no problems if we shocked the world and took him at 16

You're limiting a lot of possibilities by ignoring that trades can and do happen. Lewis was found not guilty. I agree it's unlikely he comes here, but the Ravens have a lot more information on players than the outside, especially those at Michigan. First I've heard of Samuel to us. I haven't looked at WF in a long time, they used to be just awful. Tankersley's tackling is definitely inconsistent, but maybe... he can get better at it! I think you're way off on Njoku and don't realize the ability he has. He's been playing TE for two years and is already so good. He'd be a perfect target for Joe, who's best throwing deep and up the seam.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ravefan52 said:

You're limiting a lot of possibilities by ignoring that trades can and do happen. Lewis was found not guilty. I agree it's unlikely he comes here, but the Ravens have a lot more information on players than the outside, especially those at Michigan. First I've heard of Samuel to us. I haven't looked at WF in a long time, they used to be just awful. Tankersley's tackling is definitely inconsistent, but maybe... he can get better at it! I think you're way off on Njoku and don't realize the ability he has. He's been playing TE for two years and is already so good. He'd be a perfect target for Joe, who's best throwing deep and up the seam.

Idk where the trade talk came from, of course they happen, but it's too unpredictable to try to, ya know.. predict it. 

And at this point I don't think the verdict even matters, if a player is part of a dv scandal we probably don't wanna come anywhere near him. 

And yeah, tackling can be improved, anything can technically, but at this point in a players career you would think they would have the absolute most fundamental aspect of football down... and tank doesn't, and he isn't just a shaky tackler, he is god awful and sometimes appears unwilling. 

Also never said anything bad about njoku, I just prefer engram.

[ravefan52]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Hasaan Reddick recently said he views himself as a 3-4 OLB first and that's his comfort zone. 

He could definitely be a bigger possibility at 16.

I think Haason is the ideal linebacker for our defense. Everyone knew how good he is in coverage after the senior bowl, but he has potential to be a double digit sack guy off the edge as well. He could be a Jamie Collins type LB

[RavensDieHard21]

Witherspoon is well known on these boards, but has been lost in the national discussion. Coverage wise, he might have the highest ceiling in this class. His anticipation and wingspan make his coverage abilities crazy attractive

[rossihunter2]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

and tank doesn't, and he isn't just a shaky tackler, he is god awful and sometimes appears unwilling

not only that but i dont particularly like him in coverage - looks like teez tabor-lite and a potential holding/pi magnet

[rossihunter2]

11 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Witherspoon is well known on these boards, but has been lost in the national discussion. Coverage wise, he might have the highest ceiling in this class. His anticipation and wingspan make his coverage abilities crazy attractive

if he drops to us in the 3rd because of his tackling i'll literally jump for joy because that's an absolute steal for one of the better coverage corners in this class and it's not exactly a bad coverage class

[BmoreBird22]

On 4/3/2017 at 1:10 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

He also has injury and fumble problems. His play on the feild isn't perfect either

Sorry, late to reply to this, but no, his play on the field isn't perfect. Has any prospect ever (Luck excluded) ever been perfect? I mean, come on; that's silly.

You know who had major fumble issues early? Adrian Peterson. Who's the best running back of our generation outside of LT? Peterson. 

I don't know if he's exactly what the Ravens need because he's not the best back between the tackles, but he's got exciting ability on the perimeter and with the ball in his hands. He's a play waiting to happen every time he touches it.

[RavensDieHard21]

On 4/4/2017 at 1:15 PM, rossihunter2 said:

if he drops to us in the 3rd because of his tackling i'll literally jump for joy because that's an absolute steal for one of the better coverage corners in this class and it's not exactly a bad coverage class

I wanted to put him in my recent mock, but it seemed redundant with everyone adding him to theirs. I hope we get him in the third or Kevin King in the second. 

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Sorry, late to reply to this, but no, his play on the field isn't perfect. Has any prospect ever (Luck excluded) ever been perfect? I mean, come on; that's silly.

You know who had major fumble issues early? Adrian Peterson. Who's the best running back of our generation outside of LT? Peterson. 

I don't know if he's exactly what the Ravens need because he's not the best back between the tackles, but he's got exciting ability on the perimeter and with the ball in his hands. He's a play waiting to happen every time he touches it.

I'm with you. On the field he is everything the FO appears to want in a playmaker. If there's a guy in this draft that will give coordinators more sleepless nights in preparation, I don't know who it is.

[ellicottraven]

If Fournette falls past 10, I want us to trade up and nab him. He is the cure to all our offensive woes. I just believe it. He'll make Flacco look better, make the coaches look good and he'll make our offense tick like clock work. He will become the face of our franchise sooner rather than later. That's just how impressive he is and how good he can be.

[andromeda]

On 4/2/2017 at 9:28 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

@PurpleHorseman I can't stand Chad Kelly. He's like Johnny manzeil all over again. I mean the guy tried to pick a fight with high school kids and didn't even look like he wanted to be at the senior bowl, just terrible body language, not to mention he doesn't look in very good shape. The kid acts like he's a thug

Dede Westbrook has been charged twice for DV so there's no way he's on our board

I am not going to defend Kelly's attitude or character but at least he has acknowledged he needs to mature on his own. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen. The talent is there. I think taking a flier on him late is not a terrible decision. Also, he most likely won't be coming into the NFL as a first rounder like Manziel did AND Chad isn't nearly as famous. 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, andromeda said:

I am not going to defend Kelly's attitude or character but at least he has acknowledged he needs to mature on his own. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen. The talent is there. I think taking a flier on him late is not a terrible decision. Also, he most likely won't be coming into the NFL as a first rounder like Manziel did AND Chad isn't nearly as famous. 

What position would he play for the Ravens beyond the practice squad (unless you want to carry 3 qbs which obviously steals roster spots from more needy positions)

[PurpleHorseman]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

What position would he play for the Ravens beyond the practice squad (unless you want to carry 3 qbs which obviously steals roster spots from more needy positions)

You draft him round5 if he is available. If he really impresses in camp then you carry a No.3 QB. QB is the one position you keep an extra player if you believe you have a future pro bowler. If Flacco lays an egg again and plays less efficient than he did last year even. Then QB would be a needy position. Would it not? If Joe is terrible.

If Joe's play remains in line with last year. What do you do if Chad comes in and clearly outplays Joe in practice and preseason? What if Joe misses 2 games and Chad completely lights it up for 2 games? Like Brady did when Bledsoe got hurt. He could very well jump Mallet on the depth chart.

[JoeyFlex5]

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

[arnie_uk]

If Howard is there at 16 wouldn't be surprised if we picked him. Elite talent 

[Edgar]

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You draft him round5 if he is available. If he really impresses in camp then you carry a No.3 QB. QB is the one position you keep an extra player if you believe you have a future pro bowler. If Flacco lays an egg again and plays less efficient than he did last year even. Then QB would be a needy position. Would it not? If Joe is terrible.

If Joe's play remains in line with last year. What do you do if Chad comes in and clearly outplays Joe in practice and preseason? What if Joe misses 2 games and Chad completely lights it up for 2 games? Like Brady did when Bledsoe got hurt. He could very well jump Mallet on the depth chart.

If Kelly is straight I would definitely take him late.

[Willbacker]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

Just funny how you mentioned Boykin and Dak in the same sentence.

Kelly is an intriguing option. His mobility is underrated and he's got a very good arm plus his bloodlines but with his diva attitude totally reminds me of Cutler. I'd only take him as a UDFA but he'd probally become a circus sideshow.

What do you think of Brady Gustafson from Montana?

[RaineV1]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

For late round/UDFA QBs, I really like Zach Terrell. I think he has all the makings of a good career backup that can keep an offense going if the starter goes down. He seems to understand what he can and can't do very well, and doesn't make mistakes. He had a 70% completion rate, and 33 TDs to only 4 ints. Part of that was helped by having Davis to throw to, but still, he did a great job.

[Willbacker]

26 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

For late round/UDFA QBs, I really like Zach Terrell. I think he has all the makings of a good career backup that can keep an offense going if the starter goes down. He seems to understand what he can and can't do very well, and doesn't make mistakes. He had a 70% completion rate, and 33 TDs to only 4 ints. Part of that was helped by having Davis to throw to, but still, he did a great job.

So this is the QB that threw to Davis. Do you know of any good footage to look at. Want to look more at Davis also. Already checked out the Wisc game.

Have you checked out Gustafson from Montana at all?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've heard a cpl rumors that we're among a small handful of teams that really like Harvey Langi, LB from BYU. 

Started as a RB in HS and at Utah and then switched to defense to try and get on the field more. 

Transferred to BYU after his 2 year mission. They apparently stunted his growth by making him play DE which he's clearly not built for, but once settled in to ILB he was really playing well. 

 

Has ideal size and as a former RB he's got unique movement ability for the position... footwork, agility, change of direction and vision. He can really cover and play sideline to sideline, but his instincts are pretty bad having only played a handful of games at LB. 

But I think he's a serious consideration as a late pick for us.... if not drafted he'll be a very high priority UDFA. Could be the next in a long line for us that makes a serious contribution and eventually starts. He's got that type of upside for sure. 

[Ravenskid52752]

I guy I like is Damonte Kazee CB from San Diego State ball hawking Corner. 

[arnie_uk]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

Davis Webb will be the best qb from this class if he's given a chance!