Prediction vs preference poll

[PurpleHorseman]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i just dont like lewis as a run blocker if we really are moving away from the ZBS, i like him in the zone a lot but i just dont like his drive blocking due to his weak leverage.

Lewis is a tackle converting to guard. His leverage will get better as he adjusts to different technique needed for a guard. And he is a young guy growing into his frame. He will settle in at about 320. He did fine for a young player adjusting positions.

BTW I think we are taking Cam Robinson by an eyelash over Lamp because of his length and skill to play guard and tackle with drive blocking skills. Howard is the player I want by an eyelash over Tim Williams/Lawson

Edited April 2 by PurpleHorseman

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Lewis is a tackle converting to guard. His leverage will get better as he adjusts to different technique needed for a guard. And he is a young guy growing into his frame. He will settle in at about 320. He did fine for a young player adjusting positions.

BTW I think we are taking Cam Robinson by an eyelash over Lamp because of his length and skill to play guard and tackle with drive blocking skills. Howard is the player I want by an eyelash over Tim Williams/Lawson

He just doesn't have that low and stocky girth you want from a drive blocking guard. I'm far from writing him off, just after watching him play OT in college and seeing him play guard in the pros, I think his skillset and natural abilities make for a better RT. He still will be a solid guard i think

[PurpleHorseman]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He just doesn't have that low and stocky girth you want from a drive blocking guard. I'm far from writing him off, just after watching him play OT in college and seeing him play guard in the pros, I think his skillset and natural abilities make for a better RT. He still will be a solid guard i think

He is hungry. Harbaughs eyes get really huge talking about him. Seems excited over him genuinely. He may not be Osemele Evans or Zeitler but he will begin getting considerable movement as a drive blocker I think. He looked bigger in his article photo. He and Stanley young big guys with growing to do yet. Throw in a Cam and the young big offensive line hitting stride.

I would have signed Zeitler over Williams. Big one dimensional NT's can be found. Guards that can wall them off while handling penetrators the next week are not so easy find. Lewis having a very good year is what the offense needs

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He just doesn't have that low and stocky girth you want from a drive blocking guard. I'm far from writing him off, just after watching him play OT in college and seeing him play guard in the pros, I think his skillset and natural abilities make for a better RT. He still will be a solid guard i think

given harbaugh's recent comments about lewis being a wild card im starting to think that they really are targeting an interior lineman somewhere early (or at least think they are in range to get one)

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

given harbaugh's recent comments about lewis being a wild card im starting to think that they really are targeting an interior lineman somewhere early (or at least think they are in range to get one)

I just don't get how they repeatedly state they wanna get bigger and stronger across the OL and make a power run game, but insist Lewis stays at LG. As a tackle he is extremely physical and strong, but as a guard he falls short in that department. Maybe they see some real development from him but until I see him drive block better I can't see how he fits the bill. 

[ellicottraven]

I suspect we'll take John Ross with our #16 pick but my preference would be Foster if available or if not Derek Barnett.

[rossihunter2]

9 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I suspect we'll take John Ross with our #16 pick but my preference would be Foster if available or if not Derek Barnett.

I just don't really see how Ross fits with the Ravens - if he's BPA at 16 then I have to think we'd try and trade back

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I just don't really see how Ross fits with the Ravens - if he's BPA at 16 then I have to think we'd try and trade back

only way he could be BPA is if you have him rated 16 or higher. which i cant see.

Just a hunch that someone we have really highly rated is going to fall to us.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

only way he could be BPA is if you have him rated 16 or higher. which i cant see.

Just a hunch that someone we have really highly rated is going to fall to us.

on my board i have ross at 20 but that's only because of need - otherwise id have budda baker and quincy wilson ahead of him as well

[ravensnation5220]

I think if I were to re vote on who I "predict" we will pick. I'd go Malik McDowell now. 

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I think if I were to re vote on who I "predict" we will pick. I'd go Malik McDowell now. 

I've been warming up to him big time. He could legitimately be the most talented player in the draft, and everyone will flip their lids over it talking about Garrett and Allen and Adams and hooker, but the film doesn't lie, when he lays it out on the field he is completely unstoppable, he has plays lined up at 0Tech where all 3 interior linemen crash into him and he still pushed the pile past the OT and caused enough clutter for a free running LB to make the play short of the goal line. He lines up everywhere from edge to 0T and dominates every time. He kicks every blockers butt and closes in with authority when he knifes through. 

He looks like the only player in this draft that is completely unstoppable on the front, whether or not he has the work ethic and common sense to be a hard working consistent player is yet to be seen. But I've decided that he's worth the risk, he is an absolute monster and freak of nature and actually plays very refined. There isn't a more physically imposing and dominant player in this class imo and if we want to turn this front around and give us a cornerstone to be a household name and turn games for us, McDowell is the best bet.

[ravensnation5220]

@JoeyFlex5 I'm with you. His tape doesn't lie and I think a big part of his lack of effort has to do with how bad Michigan st was. He was constantly double and triple teamed and he probably got tired of it..i know I would lol. I think there's a point where you have to look past certain character problems and his issues aren't anything major. There's no drug issues and no violence issues. I think our locker room would help him out and Harbaugh and Joe Cullen will light a fire under him. 

Imagine, with Malik and Bwill; we won't need more than 2 dline man at all times and we'd still stuff the run lol. 

Sometimes I just have to laugh when I watch Maliks tape because he literally can't be blocked when he's on his game. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@JoeyFlex5 I'm with you. His tape doesn't lie and I think a big part of his lack of effort has to do with how bad Michigan st was. He was constantly double and triple teamed and he probably got tired of it..i know I would lol. I think there's a point where you have to look past certain character problems and his issues aren't anything major. There's no drug issues and no violence issues. I think our locker room would help him out and Harbaugh and Joe Cullen will light a fire under him. 

Imagine, with Malik and Bwill; we won't need more than 2 dline man at all times and we'd still stuff the run lol. 

Sometimes I just have to laugh when I watch Maliks tape because he literally can't be blocked when he's on his game. 

It's madness lol. I've been quietly watching him lately and every time I watch him I get more enamored. I can't believe everyone, me included, has been sleeping on this dude for ridiculous reasons this whole time. 

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's madness lol. I've been quietly watching him lately and every time I watch him I get more enamored. I can't believe everyone, me included, has been sleeping on this dude for ridiculous reasons this whole time. 

Well to be fair his character, effort and football iq it does kinda leave a sour taste in your mouth. Like @rossihunter2 was saying in the mock draft from media thread. It is a very fair argument and a main reason why I kinda forgot about him, or made him an afterthought. 

But all this talk that he might slip out the first round just seems obsurd

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Well to be fair his character, effort and football iq it does kinda leave a sour taste in your mouth. Like @rossihunter2 was saying in the mock draft from media thread. It is a very fair argument and a main reason why I kinda forgot about him, or made him an afterthought. 

But all this talk that he might slip out the first round just seems obsurd

I was still pretty high on him until the combine reports came out about him interviewing terribly which put me off a bit- much like Tim Williams it's one of those where I'll love the pick if we make it because I back our front office to have settled and be happy with the issues these players have

but with both of them it's hard to pinpoint where they should go because of the uncertainty outside draft rooms

[JoeyFlex5]

Only thing I don't like about McDowell is sometimes he lets his leverage get away from him, he's good for that about 3 plays a game but it happens to every tall DL. 

I think him and williams are both worth he risk. I've seen williams in interviews and I just don't see a character risk, he is a team player through and through. McDowell I don't know, but his film shows a top 3 talent without question imo

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Only thing I don't like about McDowell is sometimes he lets his leverage get away from him, he's good for that about 3 plays a game but it happens to every tall DL. 

I think him and williams are both worth he risk. I've seen williams in interviews and I just don't see a character risk, he is a team player through and through. McDowell I don't know, but his film shows a top 3 talent without question imo

Ya I agree on Williams, he for interview pretty well from what I see. McDowell just seems to avoid interviews and he kinda has an attitude in them I think. He seems very annoyed throughout the very few interviews I've seen of him. 

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I agree on Williams, he for interview pretty well from what I see. McDowell just seems to avoid interviews and he kinda has an attitude in them I think. He seems very annoyed throughout the very few interviews I've seen of him. 

For me that's not necessarily a negative depending on where that attitude comes from and how it manifests itself - if it's like he wants to be left alone to do what he's good at then I'm fine with that - if anything that almost indicates a maturity of sorts in that he already wants to focus on the "job" bit of his future profession - if it's laziness and it's something that exists in team meetings as well as the media then it's obviously a potential problem 

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

For me that's not necessarily a negative depending on where that attitude comes from and how it manifests itself - if it's like he wants to be left alone to do what he's good at then I'm fine with that - if anything that almost indicates a maturity of sorts in that he already wants to focus on the "job" bit of his future profession - if it's laziness and it's something that exists in team meetings as well as the media then it's obviously a potential problem 

Agreed. It's hard to tell because he hardly interviews. Plus I can't seem to find anything with him on what he does of the feild. If he volunteers anywhere or what his major even is. I can't get a good grip on the type of person he is because he's so secluded from media

Edit: he's a sociology major like 50% of all football players lol

Edited April 8 by ravensnation5220

[Italian Raven]

McDowell is Nkemdiche again and again. Both physical freaks in a 4-3 DT body. Now, I'm pretty sure McDowell has a higher floor and represent a slight less bust risk than the latter. However, I don't think we're in a position where we can afford to take such a gamble.

We all know there's no guarantee in the draft lottery and that for what we know even Garrett has a chance to bust, but in the end of the story I think we should go with someone who looks like possessing the better intangibles at a position of need, since we have so manies.

If we were the Falcons for example, who will start day 1 with just a couple of needs (including pass rushers) I'd definitely consider him but not if I'm the Ravens FO. 

Let's set a realistic scenario with McDowell and one between Harris/Charlton and Humphrey/Conley (need positions and great potential as well): would you guys still go with the former Spartan? How high do you have him rated?

[Italian Raven]

51 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I agree on Williams, he for interview pretty well from what I see. McDowell just seems to avoid interviews and he kinda has an attitude in them I think. He seems very annoyed throughout the very few interviews I've seen of him. 

Lol.. Like Bosa at the combine.. I wanted to kill myself :'D

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Lol.. Like Bosa at the combine.. I wanted to kill myself :'D

Ya very true. Bosa did not interview well lol but I think McDowell is a bit different in that regard.

Now to your question above. In that scenario yes I'd take Malik McDowell, I think his tape and potential trumps nkemdiches and his character was more concerning than maliks. I'm more worried about maliks motor and work ethic than I am his character at this point

[JoeyFlex5]

I have no issue with guys who don't like interviews. Answering questions about yourself is incredibly awkward. Trying to evaluate yourself? Like I don't wanna toot my own horn but I'm pretty good at stuff blabla. I hate it personally. When you keep answering the same question just worded differently of course it gets annoying 

[808Blackbirds]

no love for Malik?

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I have no issue with guys who don't like interviews. Answering questions about yourself is incredibly awkward. Trying to evaluate yourself? Like I don't wanna toot my own horn but I'm pretty good at stuff blabla. I hate it personally. When you keep answering the same question just worded differently of course it gets annoying 

Ya I just watched his interview for the 2016 media days. I mean I get that he doesn't want to be interviewed (it's pretty obvious) and that some people don't like it too. However, having said that, he just seems very lacksidadical, quiet, and just seemed like he kust woke up lol. He kept touching his face with his fingers constantly which shows he feels uncomfortable. I just want him to sound a little more upbeat. I might be nitpicking here but he's playing football and got a full paid scholarship, he could act a little more excited I guess....idk..its just very sleepy or something to say the least. I can see the concerns of him being "unmotivated" or not a "self starter"

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, 808Blackbirds said:

no love for Malik?

Nope nobody voted for him. If I re voted though I might have put him as my "prediction" pick. Preference wise though I still think I'd pick Oj Howard lol, that's my guy

[rossihunter2]

24 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I just watched his interview for the 2016 media days. I mean I get that he doesn't want to be interviewed (it's pretty obvious) and that some people don't like it too. However, having said that, he just seems very lacksidadical, quiet, and just seemed like he kust woke up lol. He kept touching his face with his fingers constantly which shows he feels uncomfortable. I just want him to sound a little more upbeat. I might be nitpicking here but he's playing football and got a full paid scholarship, he could act a little more excited I guess....idk..its just very sleepy or something to say the least. I can see the concerns of him being "unmotivated" or not a "self starter"

oh i really dont care about that sort of stuff as long as he wakes up in the meeting room - not everyone in the league is a ray lewis alpha guy who lives/thrives off talking - some people are just not cut out to be good in front of the media - the touching face tick is quite a common symptom of people who suffer anxiety which can be debilitating at times - im not diagnosing him but obviously he's stressed and nervous when he exhibits that "tell"

so yeah Id say that's nitpicking - as long as away from the media he shows he cares then im 100% fine with that - if he conducts himself like a professional within the combines of the building and doesnt get himself in legal trouble outside of it then i dont care how he does or doesnt interact with the media - id like him to be good at it but i dont care if he cant do it either

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Italian Raven said:

McDowell is Nkemdiche again and again. Both physical freaks in a 4-3 DT body. Now, I'm pretty sure McDowell has a higher floor and represent a slight less bust risk than the latter. However, I don't think we're in a position where we can afford to take such a gamble.

We all know there's no guarantee in the draft lottery and that for what we know even Garrett has a chance to bust, but in the end of the story I think we should go with someone who looks like possessing the better intangibles at a position of need, since we have so manies.

If we were the Falcons for example, who will start day 1 with just a couple of needs (including pass rushers) I'd definitely consider him but not if I'm the Ravens FO. 

Let's set a realistic scenario with McDowell and one between Harris/Charlton and Humphrey/Conley (need positions and great potential as well): would you guys still go with the former Spartan? How high do you have him rated?

I'll take McDowell over any of them no questions. 

Also think McDowell is head and shoulders better than nkemdiche, he doesn't go blind in the backfield every single time, he really finishes the hell out of plays, nkemdiche just disrupted plays

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh i really dont care about that sort of stuff as long as he wakes up in the meeting room - not everyone in the league is a ray lewis alpha guy who lives/thrives off talking - some people are just not cut out to be good in front of the media - the touching face tick is quite a common symptom of people who suffer anxiety which can be debilitating at times - im not diagnosing him but obviously he's stressed and nervous when he exhibits that "tell"

so yeah Id say that's nitpicking - as long as away from the media he shows he cares then im 100% fine with that - if he conducts himself like a professional within the combines of the building and doesnt get himself in legal trouble outside of it then i dont care how he does or doesnt interact with the media - id like him to be good at it but i dont care if he cant do it either

Ya I agree like I said i was probably nitpicking. Just makes it harder to evaluate him off the feild this way

[ravensnation5220]

@rossihunter2 @JoeyFlex5 I think we convinced someone on McDowell. All of a sudden he has a vote for preference and prediction. Lol