[News] Late For Work 3/31: Mel Kiper's 2016 Draft Re-Grade Keeps Ravens Among NFL's Best

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If Joe Flacco wins another Super Bowl, he’ll be in an exclusive quarterback club. Will trade talk motivate Timmy Jernigan?

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[verified]

crazy how teams the get the best grades never when championships and barely or never make the playoffs

[bioLarzen]

Winning another Super Bowl??? How about making the playoffs again first? Last season, with no notable holes in any position, and as few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL, the Bengals flopping and the Browns - well, being the Browns... and with a not really a killer schedule we still managed to miss the playoffs...

[verified]

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

[AsianRice]

How about making playoffs first? John is pretty much staging his career on line for this year and if we didn't make to playoff this year with all of defense acquisition in FA, John will be on a very hot seat. I don't think he will be fired the following year, but he will lose some power and the major drain on the coaching staff....

[Godfather A]

From a physician vantage point, Joe's knee was still causing issues before the bye last year. When he came back after the home Pittsburgh game there was clearly a difference.

With the exception of the Cincinnati game at the end of the year, he put up enough points for us to win at Dallas, at New England and at Pittsburgh.

As an aside if Joe does go on to win another Super Bowl, he will pass both Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach and be tied for 6th all time in playoff wins. That assumes a first round bye.

If he has to win a divisional round game on the way there, he will also pass Brett Favre and be tied for 3rd all time in playoff wins (behind Brady and Montana)

[sami]

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

WHY? We couldn't afford them after 4 years.

[steelcityraven]

How about making playoffs first? John is pretty much staging his career on line for this year and if we didn't make to playoff this year with all of defense acquisition in FA, John will be on a very hot seat. I don't think he will be fired the following year, but he will lose some power and the major drain on the coaching staff....

AsianRice.... I feel like he has already lost some of that power.... and his leash is shortening. I really believe that if we don't make the playoffs this year... Harbs may be gone. He stuck by Marty and Pees and that may be his downfall.

If those two (or even one of those two) really fail and harbs don't cut them loose early enough to make the playoffs.... harbs may follow them out at the end of season.

I think John is a great coach but in my opinion... his biggest downfall is his loyalty to his assistant coaches. That is a great quality when the assistants are holding up their end but not such a great quality when they are failing.

His loyalty has to be to the team and organization first and if his friends are failing... he owes it to the team to make the necessary changes...
1st in the freedom they have
2nd in their ability to stay with the organization.

If Harbs gets run out of BMORE it will be bc of his loyalty to his assistant coaches and inability to manage that stuff... not bc of his x's and o's

[steelcityraven]

crazy how teams the get the best grades never when championships and barely or never make the playoffs

BC it has more to do with how you retain that talent and develop the lower end of the draft.

Teams with worst records should have the best drafts bc they are picking earlier... that is true

but if you cannot manage the salary cap and return your picks or worse... you cannot develop your 2nd tier players to maximize their production - it will not mean much over the course of 4-5 years.

But if you can land two or three good draft classes in a row. Retain you previous guys and develop you second tier players into contributors or even starters...

Then you can be a successful franchise.

[steelcityraven]

If Timmy wants more playing time... the way to get it is not by producing less!

He needs to just continue to improve and demonstrate some consistency and he will be a star in this league.

[The Beak]

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

[OriolesMagicPlease]

54 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

If Timmy wants more playing time... the way to get it is not by producing less!

He needs to just continue to improve and demonstrate some consistency and he will be a star in this league.

And NOT commit stupid, hot headed penalties!

[RavensBaltimore]

From a physician vantage point, Joe's knee was still causing issues before the bye last year. When he came back after the home Pittsburgh game there was clearly a difference.

With the exception of the Cincinnati game at the end of the year, he put up enough points for us to win at Dallas, at New England and at Pittsburgh.

As an aside if Joe does go on to win another Super Bowl, he will pass both Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach and be tied for 6th all time in playoff wins. That assumes a first round bye.

If he has to win a divisional round game on the way there, he will also pass Brett Favre and be tied for 3rd all time in playoff wins (behind Brady and Montana)

I think the fact that he looked so much better after the bye had a lot more to do with the o-line being healthy than it did with his knee. The offense was pretty good when the line was healthy last year.

[n#7]

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

For a 30 yrs. old?

[RavensBaltimore]

Winning another Super Bowl??? How about making the playoffs again first? Last season, with no notable holes in any position, and as few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL, the Bengals flopping and the Browns - well, being the Browns... and with a not really a killer schedule we still managed to miss the playoffs...

"As few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL"? I'm not quite sure what that statement means, but during the 4 game losing streak, we had something like 5 pro bowlers out plus our starting left tackle. When the offense finally got healthy and started playing better, the one guy we can't afford to lose on defense gets hurt.

And it's not like we've been so far off from the playoffs recently. We were a few inches from being in 1st last year with a game left, and I think the last game would have gone differently if it meant something. In 2013, we were in a playoff spot before Flacco hurt his knee, and missed it by one game. 2015, when we had half the starters on ir, is the only time in the last 9 years we weren't competitive. We have the 2nd most playoff wins since then. I really don't think the Ravens are a team that needs to show that they can make the playoffs before being considered SB contenders. They've already shown they can make the playoffs and win there.

[hen826957]

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

Not happening because one we already signed Brandon Carr and two Sherman cap hit is 13M and we don't have space for that.

[mendii]

4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Winning another Super Bowl??? How about making the playoffs again first? Last season, with no notable holes in any position, and as few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL, the Bengals flopping and the Browns - well, being the Browns... and with a not really a killer schedule we still managed to miss the playoffs...

Man... remember when we lost to the Jets last year? 

[whobilly]

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Winning another Super Bowl??? How about making the playoffs again first? Last season, with no notable holes in any position, and as few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL, the Bengals flopping and the Browns - well, being the Browns... and with a not really a killer schedule we still managed to miss the playoffs...

"As few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL"? I'm not quite sure what that statement means, but during the 4 game losing streak, we had something like 5 pro bowlers out plus our starting left tackle. When the offense finally got healthy and started playing better, the one guy we can't afford to lose on defense gets hurt.

And it's not like we've been so far off from the playoffs recently. We were a few inches from being in 1st last year with a game left, and I think the last game would have gone differently if it meant something. In 2013, we were in a playoff spot before Flacco hurt his knee, and missed it by one game. 2015, when we had half the starters on ir, is the only time in the last 9 years we weren't competitive. We have the 2nd most playoff wins since then. I really don't think the Ravens are a team that needs to show that they can make the playoffs before being considered SB contenders. They've already shown they can make the playoffs and win there.

The Ravens were nowhere near a playoff spot when Flacco got hurt in 2015. The game he got injured was against the Rams. Tuckers game winner put the Ravens at 3-7.

[Chuckx999]

Flacco winning another Super Bowl?? How about his passing the past two years? His best days are gone and the coaching staff better see the poor throws every game the same way we see them. FACTS ARE FACTS.

[letitgosometimes]

Draft all DBs, trade for linemen. Done deal.

[RavensBaltimore]

  7 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  11 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Winning another Super Bowl??? How about making the playoffs again first? Last season, with no notable holes in any position, and as few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL, the Bengals flopping and the Browns - well, being the Browns... and with a not really a killer schedule we still managed to miss the playoffs...

"As few impact injuries as seldom in the history of the NFL"? I'm not quite sure what that statement means, but during the 4 game losing streak, we had something like 5 pro bowlers out plus our starting left tackle. When the offense finally got healthy and started playing better, the one guy we can't afford to lose on defense gets hurt.

And it's not like we've been so far off from the playoffs recently. We were a few inches from being in 1st last year with a game left, and I think the last game would have gone differently if it meant something. In 2013, we were in a playoff spot before Flacco hurt his knee, and missed it by one game. 2015, when we had half the starters on ir, is the only time in the last 9 years we weren't competitive. We have the 2nd most playoff wins since then. I really don't think the Ravens are a team that needs to show that they can make the playoffs before being considered SB contenders. They've already shown they can make the playoffs and win there.

The Ravens were nowhere near a playoff spot when Flacco got hurt in 2015. The game he got injured was against the Rams. Tuckers game winner put the Ravens at 3-7.

You misread my post. I said we were in a playoff spot when Flacco hurt his knee in 2013, and we were.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, verified said:

crazy how teams the get the best grades never when championships and barely or never make the playoffs

right well we have won 2 super bowls in only 21 seasons of existence. more than half of the teams in the league would kill to be able to say that. 

 

[sticks999]

I was very unhappy with Joe last year. So . I think this year is the telling year. We are setting the team up better IMO. Baring injuries, key ones, this year will tell us if we and Joe, still have it.

[rmcjacket23]

  21 hours ago, verified said:

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

WHY? We couldn't afford them after 4 years.

Yes we could. Plenty of evidence to suggest we will and can.

In particular first rounders. If you're a good player for us, and you're a first round pick, you'll get a second contract from us. Its pretty much a foregone conclusion.

[rmcjacket23]

T Jernigan and 2nd round pick
for R Sherman

Can't afford to take on an $11M/year corner.

Pipe dream.

[eze17]

  On 3/31/2017 at 0:09 PM, sami said:

  On 3/31/2017 at 10:50 AM, verified said:

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

WHY? We couldn't afford them after 4 years.

Yes we could. Plenty of evidence to suggest we will and can.

In particular first rounders. If you're a good player for us, and you're a first round pick, you'll get a second contract from us. Its pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Well, agree except for the recently retired Chris Chester, who was one of our 1st rounders who played very well for us. New Orleans was willing to give him a bigger paycheck at the time, which we declined to match. So it's not automatic.

[ByTheBay]

26 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Well, agree except for the recently retired Chris Chester, who was one of our 1st rounders who played very well for us. New Orleans was willing to give him a bigger paycheck at the time, which we declined to match. So it's not automatic.

Chester was a second round draft pick. In 2006 we drafted Ngata in the first

[ravensnj]

On 3/31/2017 at 10:50 AM, verified said:

Our Defense can be as good as anybodies but we still face the same problem we always face, when the D gets the offense the ball back we dont have the playmakers to get the ball in the endzone. And its shaping up like we gonna spend all our picks on the oline, Still no solid young WR its pathetic they dont address this, and dont bring in some old WR to be here for 3 years than retire im sick of that. I want an odell type someone young

Yes, our defense has always been good enough to get to , and win us a Super Bowl. Our Achilles heel, has always been our passing game and play calling. People that can't see this are delirious! If we had any kind of offense, we should have multiple super bowls by now. Looking back, at every playoff loss to the Steelers and Patriots , I find the cause to be inept skill position players and horrendous play calling.

It's time to throw the old selection process out and start anew.

Edited April 1 by ravensnj

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, eze17 said:

Well, agree except for the recently retired Chris Chester, who was one of our 1st rounders who played very well for us. New Orleans was willing to give him a bigger paycheck at the time, which we declined to match. So it's not automatic.

You're thinking of Ben Grubbs. 

Chester didn't play all that well for us or really anywhere for that matter. He was pretty average everywhere he went.

Grubbs had a great career with us and played 3 pretty good years in NO as well. A neck injury basically ended his career in 2015.

As I said earlier, for the most part, you're quality first round picks get 2nd contracts from us. We chose Yanda over him ultimately, and that obviously panned out.

 

 

Edited April 2 by rmcjacket23