And now for something completely different...

[allblackraven]

I realise anything can happen on draft day but I wanted to put together a list of 10 players we will not / should not have a shot at with 16th pick. Any mock with one of these guys going to the Ravens I therefore find unrealistic, no matter what the rationale is.

1. Myles Garrett
2. Mike Williams
3. Reuben Foster
4. Jonathan Allen
5. Derek Barnett
6. Marshon Lattimore
7. Jamal Adams
8. Solomon Thomas
9. OJ Howard
10. Jabrill Peppers

Who would you add to or remove from this list?

[Jonah DeVito]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I realise anything can happen on draft day but I wanted to put together a list of 10 players we will not / should not have a shot at with 16th pick. Any mock with one of these guys going to the Ravens I therefore find unrealistic, no matter what the rationale is.

1. Myles Garrett
2. Mike Williams
3. Reuben Foster
4. Jonathan Allen
5. Derek Barnett
6. Marshon Lattimore
7. Jamal Adams
8. Solomon Thomas
9. OJ Howard
10. Jabrill Peppers

Who would you add to or remove from this list?

I think Peppers is sort of an outlier here. Who do you think takes him before we are on the clock? 

[Jonah DeVito]

Probably safe to add Hooker and Fournette in here as well. 

Edited March 27 by Jonah DeVito

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't see how peppers is guaranteed to go before us...

[rossihunter2]

that list is way too long...

my list would be:

1) Myles Garrett
2) Jamal Adams
3) Malik Hooker
4) Jonathan Allen
5) Marshon Lattimore
6) Leonard Fournette
7) Reuben Foster

I could feasibly see any of the others you listed making it to us one way or another either because of media mocks being all over the place, off-field issues, potential combine superstars superceding them on boards etc. etc. If I'm honest I could even see Foster falling if teams really hate the combine incident

[allblackraven]

41 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I think Peppers is sort of an outlier here. Who do you think takes him before we are on the clock? 

 

39 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see how peppers is guaranteed to go before us...

Teams will have hard time passing the extreme athleticism and his versatility.

I see literally every team between 10 and 15 (inclusive) having a long look at him if he doesn't go even earlier (Chargers, maybe even Titans)

[Jonah DeVito]

26 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

that list is way too long...

my list would be:

1) Myles Garrett
2) Jamal Adams
3) Malik Hooker
4) Jonathan Allen
5) Marshon Lattimore
6) Leonard Fournette
7) Reuben Foster

I could feasibly see any of the others you listed making it to us one way or another either because of media mocks being all over the place, off-field issues, potential combine superstars superceding them on boards etc. etc. If I'm honest I could even see Foster falling if teams really hate the combine incident

I agree, this list is more feasible. 

[rossihunter2]

12 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

Teams will have hard time passing the extreme athleticism and his versatility.

I see literally every team between 10 and 15 (inclusive) having a long look at him if he doesn't go even earlier (Chargers, maybe even Titans)

he will be a surprising pick ahead of us - and if he is getting a good look from 10-15 then he is evidently very much in range of the ravens pick

[Jonah DeVito]

23 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

Teams will have hard time passing the extreme athleticism and his versatility.

I see literally every team between 10 and 15 (inclusive) having a long look at him if he doesn't go even earlier (Chargers, maybe even Titans)

There is no way he is picked before Adams or Hooker, so I highly doubt he will even be on the radar for the Chargers or Titans. He's just not that great of a football player to justify being a top 10 pick. He's good at a lot of things, but no team can justify picking him as a safety in the top 10. Supreme athleticism doesn't exactly translate into being an NFL star. Now maybe he gets picked right before we are up, but in no way, shape, or form should Jabrill Peppers be seen as a top 15 lock. 

Edited March 27 by Jonah DeVito

[Edgar]

It's definitely plausible for Howard to be there.

I'm hoping someone before us is picking Peppers but I am more inclined to imagine him available.

If I am in a particularly delusional state I can convince myself that Barnett will be there.

 Jamal Adams could fall out of the top ten.

[purpletide]

3 minutes ago, Edgar said:

It's definitely plausible for Howard to be there.

I'm hoping someone before us is picking Peppers but I am more inclined to imagine him available.

If I am in a particularly delusional state I can convince myself that Barnett will be there.

 Jamal Adams could fall out of the top ten.

Why is Jamal Adams expected to fall now? If he was injured at his pro day I haven't heard anything about it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

No way do i think Peppers goes before we're on the clock.

Howard may not go Top 15. I think he will, but i dont think in any way its a lock.

Foster could slip. At least one team in the Top 15 has him off their board completely, and with Reddick's ascension a team looking for that ILB could decide Reddick's versatility, athleticism, and ability to pass rush is more worth it than Foster.

I could see Williams being available. It's not likely, but if say Tenn falls in love with Ross and someone else views Davis as the #1 guy -- Williams could slide. Idk that its even a guarantee that any Top 15 team goes WR with all the defensive talent available. Wouldnt be totally surprised is both Williams and Davis were on the board.

I also dont think Barnett is a lock to go Top 15. With Reddick flying up boards, Tim Williams red flags dissipating to a degree, and Takk, Taco and Harris all having more athletic gifts -- we've seen teams fall in love with that raw ability/upside over the proven, polished play maker.

And, literally every mock generator i do that matches big board up with team needs, seems to have Barnett over looked. Even when hes rated properly on the big board as the 3-10th prospect.... he gets passed for some reason. Browns are taking Garret, and then outside that who has a need for pass rusher or doesnt have another highly rated prospect available to them at a position of greater need?

If Barnett gets past NO i think he's there for us. Maybe Carolina, maybe Cinci, and then NO. Only teams i could see going for him. But cant see Carolina passing up on Fournette, Adams, Hooker, or Lattimore. All or most should be available.

Cant see Cinci going pass rush if Foster's there. I could see them go Williams before Barnett too.

NO's the only one. But i could see them go secondary if they have a highly rated player available (Lattimore if available, Humphrey, Conley, etc..).

So i wouldnt say 100% no. Its certainly possible. I mean no one wouldve said Tunsil was gonna be there for Miami and that 2-3 tackles would go ahead of him. but they did. 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I would add though Hooker is gone for sure.

Fournette likely gone.

But since this exercise is 100% to be gone....

Garret

Adams

Hooker

Lattimore

1 of Davis/Ross/Williams

1 of Cook/Fournette/McCaffery

Allen

Thomas

 

Thats it. Thats all im confident in right now.

[Edgar]

40 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Why is Jamal Adams expected to fall now? If he was injured at his pro day I haven't heard anything about it.

I don't think he is. Really just conjecture. I'm not convinced about two safeties going top ten and I don't think Adams tape was as impressive in 2016.....thinking a team might go somewhere else with the expectation that they can get Peppers/Baker/Melifonwu or maybe even thompson later.

Adams is better than those guys but perhaps not by as wide a margin for a team in the top ten.

[purpletide]

3 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I don't think he is. Really just conjecture. I'm not convinced about two safeties going top ten and I don't think Adams tape was as impressive in 2016.....thinking a team might go somewhere else with the expectation that they can get Peppers/Baker/Melifonwu or maybe even thompson later.

Adams is better than those guys but perhaps not by as wide a margin for a team in the top ten.

OK I see what you're saying. I saw "Adams could fall out of the top ten" and assumed he got Sidney Jones'd. Probably cause I don't see him falling unless something like that happens.

[January J]

17 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I realise anything can happen on draft day but I wanted to put together a list of 10 players we will not / should not have a shot at with 16th pick. Any mock with one of these guys going to the Ravens I therefore find unrealistic, no matter what the rationale is.

1. Myles Garrett
2. Mike Williams
3. Reuben Foster
4. Jonathan Allen
5. Derek Barnett
6. Marshon Lattimore
7. Jamal Adams
8. Solomon Thomas
9. OJ Howard
10. Jabrill Peppers

Who would you add to or remove from this list?

I would take mike Williams, oj Howard and peppers off the list. Foster is a lonnngshot but would be one of them ones with a very slim chance to fall to us. I'd actually include Barnett in with foster too- like you said you never know.  The rest we won't even sniff unless a gas mask is involved.