[News] Late For Work 3/27: Trading Timmy Jernigan Is 'Unlikely,' And Here's Why ...

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Art Jones shows the Ravens usually make the right call when letting free agents walk. Released Ravens remain on the open market. Is pass rusher Taco Charlton an option at No. 16?

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[whobilly]

If Pierce wore #99 we wouldn't miss a beat. Basically the same player. If somebody is stupid enough to give you a #3 pick in this years deep draft pool I'd take it.

[bioLarzen]

If Pierce wore #99 we wouldn't miss a beat. Basically the same player. If somebody is stupid enough to give you a #3 pick in this years deep draft pool I'd take it.

I say let's wait one more season before pencilling in Pierce as the next big thing. I'm not hating on him of course - it's just that oftentimes the sophomore season radically differs from the rookie season... Se Za'Darius Smith, for example. Season #3 is the read indicator. Mosley had a Pro Bopwl rookie season - followed up by a much less convingcing sophomore season. Luckily, he followed it up with a very good 3rd season.
We'll see how Pierce does. Or Za'Darius, for that matter...

[TheRavengers]

It's kinda sad hearing that Art Jones didn't pan out the way the Colts were hoping he would.

[griffrb]

You know it's slow when beat writers copy and paste other writers news articles. LOL! Every player doesn't fit every system. Every team has a different environment and personality, so every free agent doesn't flourish with a new team. Look at when we signed S Michael Huff. He didn't make it through the season if I remember correctly. It was a rare mistake and I think he admitted it was very difficult for him in B-more. Every team makes the same mistakes with FAs.

[757RavensFan]

7 minutes ago, griffrb said:

You know it's slow when beat writers copy and paste other writers news articles.LOL! Every player doesn't fit every system. Every team has a different environment and personality, so every free agent doesn't flourish with a new team. Look at when we signed S Michael Huff. He didn't make it through the season if I remember correctly. It was a rare mistake and I think he admitted it was very difficult for him in B-more. Every team makes the same mistakes with FAs.

Ummm...a majority of the LFW articles are reposts from other writers. They never denied this fact.  Its been like that for years. 

Edited March 27 by 757RavensFan

[rmcjacket23]

You know it's slow when beat writers copy and paste other writers news articles. LOL! Every player doesn't fit every system. Every team has a different environment and personality, so every free agent doesn't flourish with a new team. Look at when we signed S Michael Huff. He didn't make it through the season if I remember correctly. It was a rare mistake and I think he admitted it was very difficult for him in B-more. Every team makes the same mistakes with FAs.

True, although it seems to happen more frequently with our FAs going to other teams.

[eze17]

If Pierce wore #99 we wouldn't miss a beat. Basically the same player. If somebody is stupid enough to give you a #3 pick in this years deep draft pool I'd take it.

I agree that it would be hard to pass up getting a 3rd round pick for Jernigan...Real solid player, but with Mosley's contract coming up next year, we won't be able to afford him. This is shaping up to being one of the deeper drafts in years, so I'd pull a trade if the price was right. Raven's have a lot of holes to fill, and D-line is stacked with good players.Definately won't be upset of we keep him this year, however. Good player who can make plays.

[HoldingCall]

Cool! But nothing real to brag about if players fail to achieve elsewhere. Simply put, higher ability athletes adapt better than lower ability athletes. Also, quality of athletes in the surrounding environment of the player impacts their production. Many other factors too! Not just timing!

[stixfix69]

CBA just makes it impossible to keep everyone, so when you draft players you know a few from every draft class will be lost when they become UFA. Just take advantage of them for the 4-5 years you have them. I do like Jernigan's game, and if he has another solid season, he will be gone next year, and if Pierce continues to improve over his rook contract he could be gone as well when he becomes a UFA.....Pats lose top players every year, but they win with stop gap FA signings.....seems to be the formula, sign must have players, and sign stop gap FA who can play really good for us for 2-3 years, and hope some players drafted during that time span, have been groomed to the point they can step in, yet only have a full year or two as a starter, which will make it easier to sign to extensions....

[Steve32]

You know it's slow when beat writers copy and paste other writers news articles. LOL! Every player doesn't fit every system. Every team has a different environment and personality, so every free agent doesn't flourish with a new team. Look at when we signed S Michael Huff. He didn't make it through the season if I remember correctly. It was a rare mistake and I think he admitted it was very difficult for him in B-more. Every team makes the same mistakes with FAs.

You must be new here.
That is the essence of LFW.

[RavensFanSinceBirth]

uhm hello pernell mcphee was also on the superbowl squad probably the only decent player besides k.o. we let go

Edited March 27 by RavensFanSinceBirth
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[steelcityraven]

I would hate to lose Timmy... think he is going to be a star.... at the same time.... If we are... I would love to be able to trade him now... if not a draft pick...maybe a player? (I know that the NFL doesn't work like the NBA) but If we could get a quality C, G or even WR for Timmy.... (who plays and starts) then it may not be bad to off load him now. I get that the drat picks gives us 3-5 years at a price friendly contract but a draft pick is also unproven in the NFL and a FA who has been successful (at the right price) is what we were hoping the draft pick turns into (especially a 4-5-or 6 rounder)

I would love to find a way to keep TJ but if not....would love to see us get some production for him.

[robbie29]

Sorry, but I'm just not crazy about having a player named "Taco" on the team. If he ends up getting picked and plays lights out then I'll eat my words later.

[billiejean]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

2 hours ago, whobilly said:

If Pierce wore #99 we wouldn't miss a beat. Basically the same player. If somebody is stupid enough to give you a #3 pick in this years deep draft pool I'd take it.

I say let's wait one more season before pencilling in Pierce as the next big thing. I'm not hating on him of course - it's just that oftentimes the sophomore season radically differs from the rookie season... Se Za'Darius Smith, for example. Season #3 is the read indicator. Mosley had a Pro Bopwl rookie season - followed up by a much less convingcing sophomore season. Luckily, he followed it up with a very good 3rd season.
We'll see how Pierce does. Or Za'Darius, for that matter...

Z Smith is in a totally different boat than Pierce or Mosely. He didn't have a good rookie year. It just looks like that because he had 5.5 sacks. But they came on stunts and good coverage. He was also terrible at setting the edge that year which he improved on a little bit last year. If he wants to be a good pass rusher he needs some moves, otherwise he is going to get cast into that Courtney Upshaw role. Mosley and Pierce were both some of the best players that came out of their respective draft classes. Z would not make that list. Although your point still stands though. Sometime players have a sophomore slump. RG3 would be the poster boy for that. Some guys that Im looking for this season are C. Davis and M. Williams.  Their soph seasons were a wash.  But I am cautiously optimistic about their contributions this year.  

Edited March 27 by billiejean

[WC_Ramone]

Sorry, but I'm just not crazy about having a player named "Taco" on the team. If he ends up getting picked and plays lights out then I'll eat my words later.

Or you could eat a Taco

[eze17]

Sorry, but I'm just not crazy about having a player named "Taco" on the team. If he ends up getting picked and plays lights out then I'll eat my words later.

Hey, we've had not one, but two guys named Elvis on our team...

[BiggMack91]

trade him for a 3rd pick nothing less pick up Rey Maualuga since he won't count against the cap for 1-2.3 mill a year for 2-3 years and taco is not worth a 1st round pick lacks strength and stamina and has no coverage skills as a OLB and too bad for jones but I'm not surprised

[Halshayeji]

Wow, that Lombardi statement was all over the place!

1- Jernigan is not like guy, he's probably going to demand more than double guy made in free agency!

2- the Ravens can afford to keep Jernigan as they have upwards 35 mil to spend next year and basically only Mosley and Wallace to sign.

3- then he claims the Ravens can't pay him because they payed Williams wich also has nothing to do with Jernigan.

4- finally he suggests moving on with Pierce and Williams when Pierce doesn't even play Jernigans position!

is this guy serious? 

[rmcjacket23]

Wow, that Lombardi statement was all over the place!

1- Jernigan is not like guy, he's probably going to demand more than double guy made in free agency!

2- the Ravens can afford to keep Jernigan as they have upwards 35 mil to spend next year and basically only Mosley and Wallace to sign.

3- then he claims the Ravens can't pay him because they payed Williams wich also has nothing to do with Jernigan.

4- finally he suggests moving on with Pierce and Williams when Pierce doesn't even play Jernigans position!

is this guy serious? 

While I don't think their cap situation in 2018 will be bad, I should also point out that they have $134M under contract currently, but that's only with 36 players.

As is typically the case, its not so much about affording him as WANTING to afford him. Committing something like $20-25M in cap space in a given year to two defensive lineman who aren't particularly great at rushing the passer isn't always the best investment strategy.

I'm not buying the talk of him getting traded or of us not being able to resign him just yet, but again, its difficult to commit that much money to those types of positions.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

While I don't think their cap situation in 2018 will be bad, I should also point out that they have $134M under contract currently, but that's only with 36 players.

As is typically the case, its not so much about affording him as WANTING to afford him. Committing something like $20-25M in cap space in a given year to two defensive lineman who aren't particularly great at rushing the passer isn't always the best investment strategy.

I'm not buying the talk of him getting traded or of us not being able to resign him just yet, but again, its difficult to commit that much money to those types of positions.
 

36 players is not a low number at all. Say 8 draft picks (Jernigan, Mosley, Gilmore) that's 47.  Only 4 roster spots to fill.

i absolutely agree I'm also not buying into the trade talk. Just doesn't make sense at the moment. 

if your committing 25 mil on the 2 players then he'll no. That's like saying Jernigan will get a 15 mil per year deal. Let him walk and il gladly take another year of cheap production along with s third round comp. I'm thinking 18 mil between the two is fair if we have a top 5 defense

[JamesA119]

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

[Crusader]

I do recall there were many former Raven players on playoff teams last year. 2012 was an end of an Era . The beginning of Joe's team and Johns domanance so what ever happen before that is ancient histoty.

[MdPride1]

First of all, Jernigan is going to have a big year this year. If we don't lock him up before the season we will end up regretting it and paying him in the same ballpark as Brandon Williams.

Now if Jacksonville wants him. You tell them Yannick Ngoukwe and a third round pick this year. I think I'd be content with that. But I don't want to see Jernigan traded.

[#Nevermore]

Jernigan will flourish in a one gap system. I am predicting now that the Cowboys will sign him next year and with Rod Marinelli he will be a Pro-Bowl player. He is a good player and inconsistent here, but this is not the system for him.

At least we will get a 3rd rounder for him.

[rmcjacket23]

  16 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

While I don't think their cap situation in 2018 will be bad, I should also point out that they have $134M under contract currently, but that's only with 36 players.

As is typically the case, its not so much about affording him as WANTING to afford him. Committing something like $20-25M in cap space in a given year to two defensive lineman who aren't particularly great at rushing the passer isn't always the best investment strategy.

I'm not buying the talk of him getting traded or of us not being able to resign him just yet, but again, its difficult to commit that much money to those types of positions.
 

36 players is not a low number at all. Say 8 draft picks (Jernigan, Mosley, Gilmore) that's 47.  Only 4 roster spots to fill.

i absolutely agree I'm also not buying into the trade talk. Just doesn't make sense at the moment. 

if your committing 25 mil on the 2 players then he'll no. That's like saying Jernigan will get a 15 mil per year deal. Let him walk and il gladly take another year of cheap production along with s third round comp. I'm thinking 18 mil between the two is fair if we have a top 5 defense

1. Would depend on the price of those players that are filled. If they are getting $5-7M a year contracts, that's $20-25M spent right there.

2. Well, Williams deal averages at $10.5M. The prevailing thought is that Jernigan would get similar or more, considering he's a pretty good DT who also can get to the QB. So if he got an identical deal, it means you would average $21M spent on those two guys. It wouldn't be $21M in year 1, but if its not, it means by the time you get to years like 2-4, it will be significantly higher than that.

If you're getting them for $18M total on average, that means you're only willing to pay Jernigan $7.5M. If that's the case, then he will definitely be playing elsewhere, because that's probably a very lowball offer.

3. The comp pick is why I don't see him getting traded. Unless he has a disastrous season, he will fetch a price tag that will guarantee us at least a 4th rounder, and likely a 3rd, depending on how next years market shakes out.

I can't see any team giving up more than a 3rd for him, so AT BEST, you'd be trading him a season early to move up in the same round in the draft. To me, that's not worth it.

I'm not dealing him unless I can get a 2nd rounder for sure, and if its a late 2nd rounder, I'm not even sure I do that.

[rmcjacket23]

First of all, Jernigan is going to have a big year this year. If we don't lock him up before the season we will end up regretting it and paying him in the same ballpark as Brandon Williams.

Now if Jacksonville wants him. You tell them Yannick Ngoukwe and a third round pick this year. I think I'd be content with that. But I don't want to see Jernigan traded.

If you're locking him up before the season, you're very likely already paying him what you paid Brandon Williams. Why would he take a deal less than that, when he can just wait a year and be a hot commodity?

[rmcjacket23]

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

If he plays lights out, you'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him when he walks next year anyway.

I'm not interested in trading him a year early just to move up higher in the same round, especially when there's not really a talent dropoff between like early-mid 3rd round and late 3rd round.

[Tdot.to.Bmore]

  14 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

If he plays lights out, you'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him when he walks next year anyway.

I'm not interested in trading him a year early just to move up higher in the same round, especially when there's not really a talent dropoff between like early-mid 3rd round and late 3rd round.

What do you mean by moving up in the same round? Wouldn't we obtain an extra pick in the round and keep our original 3rd round pick? im confused.

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  15 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

If any team offers a 3rd rounder for Jernigan, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He is widely inconsistent although talented. The Ravens would not resign him next year anyway. The positive is that if they keep him this year he'd play lights out in a contract year. So having him alongside a pumped William, and Pierce next year would produce a dominant defensive front for sure - however short lived.

If he plays lights out, you'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him when he walks next year anyway.

I'm not interested in trading him a year early just to move up higher in the same round, especially when there's not really a talent dropoff between like early-mid 3rd round and late 3rd round.

What do you mean by moving up in the same round? Wouldn't we obtain an extra pick in the round and keep our original 3rd round pick? im confused.

We have our normal 3rd round pick currently. If he walks in FA, we could get a 3rd round comp pick, which would be late in the round.

If we instead trade him, we would pick up another 3rd, but we would lose the ability to get that comp pick. So all we did was move up some spots.

If we did the deal with somebody who ends up picking in the back half or end of the 3rd round (a contending team), then we would be trading Jernigan one year early and basically just getting a draft pick that's maybe like 5-10 spots better in the 3rd round.

If it were in the first round, I'd see the value. In the 3rd, I don't.