JD's first mock

[Jonah DeVito]

This draft is so stacked with talent is was really hard deciding who goes where, I probably left guys out that will undoubtedly go in the 1st, but oh well. Here is my shot at it.

 

1.      Cleveland – Myles Garrett – I’m not as high on him as most, but to each his own.

2.      San Francisco – Jamal Adams

3.      Chicago – Solomon Thomas

4.      Jacksonville – Jonathan Allen

5.      Tennessee – Malik Hooker

6.      New York – Deshaun Watson  

7.      LA – Marshon Lattimore  - His past injuries scare me, and honestly think there is a pretty good chance he is a bust because of it, which would be a shame, because this kid is amazing.

8.      Carolina – Mike Williams – Many have Fournette mocked here, and so did I for a while, but I think they go a different route and get another wide out to lineup opposite KB.

9.      Cincinnati – Haason Reddick – I think his combine and his versatility shot him up the draft boards, however Derek Barnett also seems like a likely option.    

10.   Bills – Corey Davis– Not a huge Corey Davis fan, but the Bills desperately need another WR. Trading back from here could be a possibility though.

11.    Saints – Reuben Foster

12.   Browns – Leonard Fournette – No way the Browns could pass on Fournette here. He would take much needed pressure off of the QB, who I think they will take in the 2^nd, although Kessler should be the starter this season.

13.   Cardinals – O.J. Howard – Could’ve gone QB here, but Howard could be a generational talent.

14.   Eagles – Christian Mccaffery

15.   Colts – Cam Robinson

16.   Ravens – Derek Barnett – This might be a little bias, as Barnett is my favorite prospect for us. But I really think this is a scenario that could make him fall to us. Reddick’s combine could push him ahead of Barnett. I think we might go Reddick, Taco, or TWill if Barnett is gone, although I would prefer a trade back.  

17.   Redskins – Dalvin Cook

18.   Titans – John Ross

19.   Buccaneers – Takk Mckinley  

20.   Broncos – Ryan Ramcyzk

21.   Lions – Taco Charlton

22.   Dolphins – Marlon Humphrey  

23.   Giants – David Njoku

24.   Raiders – Jarrad Davis

25.   Texans – Mitch Trubisky

26.    Seahawks – Jabrill Peppers

27.   Chiefs – Tim Williams

28.   Cowboys – Budda Baker

29.   Packers – Garret Bolles  

30.   Steelers – Charles Harris   

31.   Falcons – Gareon Conley  

32.   Saints – Tre White

 

 2^nd round –  Zay Jones, WR

Big body, strong hands, extremely productive. I think he would be a great fit here.

 

3^rd round – Cam Sutton, CB

Sutton has 1^st round potential, but is overshadowed by the ridiculous CB class. I think he will end up being one of the steals of the draft.

 

3^rd round comp - Taylor Moton, OL

 

4^th round – Kyle Fuller, C

 

5^th – Lorenzo Jerome, FS – One of my favorite prospects, I think he could be a great replacement when Weddle leaves

 

Don’t feel like taking a shot in the dark for our 6^th round pick.

 

Edited March 27 by Jonah DeVito

[Davesta]

I would be happy with this draft. I think Sutton might be gone before that pick though.

[PurpleHorseman]

I'm not a Barnett Fan like many people here. Will not get into specifics at this time. But NFL tackles are different. Better hand usage, endurance, technique, stronger and coached up. 

[Jonah DeVito]

25 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm not a Barnett Fan like many people here. Will not get into specifics at this time. But NFL tackles are different. Better hand usage, endurance, technique, stronger and coached up. 

Okay....so you don't think Barnett will translate into a good NFL player because the tackles in the NFL are better..? Does this not effect any of the other pass rushers?

[PurpleHorseman]

4 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Okay....so you don't think Barnett will translate into a good NFL player because the tackles in the NFL are better..? Does this not effect any of the other pass rushers?

Some yes 

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm not a Barnett Fan like many people here. Will not get into specifics at this time. But NFL tackles are different. Better hand usage, endurance, technique, stronger and coached up. 

Yeah and he is built to beat those guys with NFL level technique and instincts and an incredibly impressive bend that renders him untouchable once he begins turning the corner

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Some yes 

No this argument applies to all pass rushers. All players face a jump in competition, they're going from college to the pros. The guys that have a better shot are the ones who already have or are capable of developing NFL technique, Barnett falls in that category 

[PurpleHorseman]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No this argument applies to all pass rushers. All players face a jump in competition, they're going from college to the pros. The guys that have a better shot are the ones who already have or are capable of developing NFL technique, Barnett falls in that category 

All face a jump in competition but not all are phased same

[PurpleHorseman]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah and he is built to beat those guys with NFL level technique and instincts and an incredibly impressive bend that renders him untouchable once he begins turning the corner

He isn't untouchable turning the corner. In the NFL tackles are going to engage.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He isn't untouchable turning the corner. In the NFL tackles are going to engage.

The point is, in my opinion, every faces the same jump in competition.

I think those that have raw athleticism, speed or power as their outstanding trait are going to have a much harder time adjusting to and competing at the higher level.

A guy like Barnett who hasnt gotten by on pure athleticism, but has already crafted technique, hand fighting, bend, moves and counter moves to defeat blockers... is going to better equipped and prepared to compete at the highest level.

 

We're all projecting though. So its a matter of opinion. Ive just seen far too many freak athletes fail bc they havent been able to develop the finer points of the game, and plenty of guys knocked for their athleticism prosper in the league bc of their elite technique.

Sure there are examples of it going the other way... and a base line of athleticism is required either way. I just think the technique is the much harder of the assets to acquire. And, on Barnett specifically, i think the knocks on his athleticism are overblown.

Edited March 27 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He isn't untouchable turning the corner. In the NFL tackles are going to engage.

You can't engage a guy that you can't reach. Have you seen Demarcus ware get low and bend the edge? That bend is the primary reason that he was the premiere rusher for so long, Barnett is the only player I have witnessed who can bend the edge as well as him.

 You have literally zero argument until you give a reason why specifically Barnett himself can't make the jump that all current NFL players had to make. You haven't said a word yet of barnetts ability and why you think he can't produce against nfl competition.

[rmw10]

Probably not the person most are going to comment on, but I just don't see it with Kyle Fuller.  Think he's actually a lesser Urschel.  He's not athletic at all.  He's not strong.  His footwork is poor.  The size is nice but he'd be a serious project for anyone that takes him on.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Probably not the person most are going to comment on, but I just don't see it with Kyle Fuller.  Think he's actually a lesser Urschel.  He's not athletic at all.  He's not strong.  His footwork is poor.  The size is nice but he'd be a serious project for anyone that takes him on.

I like Toth better. Also doesnt have great athleticism, but does have some power and bully in him. Definitely wouldnt be a good prospect if we're planning on doing more stretch zone, but if we are truly moving to more inside zone, gap and power concepts -- I think Toth can be a good player... so long as hes mostly tasked with blocking in a phone booth.

[PurpleHorseman]

31 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You can't engage a guy that you can't reach. Have you seen Demarcus ware get low and bend the edge? That bend is the primary reason that he was the premiere rusher for so long, Barnett is the only player I have witnessed who can bend the edge as well as him.

 You have literally zero argument until you give a reason why specifically Barnett himself can't make the jump that all current NFL players had to make. You haven't said a word yet of barnetts ability and why you think he can't produce against nfl competition.

You can try to convince me til you turn green. It isn't going to make him a great player. He actually has to go out there and perform. You act as if you convince everybody your guy will be great.Will not work thatway sorry

[PurpleHorseman]

39 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You can't engage a guy that you can't reach. Have you seen Demarcus ware get low and bend the edge? That bend is the primary reason that he was the premiere rusher for so long, Barnett is the only player I have witnessed who can bend the edge as well as him.

 You have literally zero argument until you give a reason why specifically Barnett himself can't make the jump that all current NFL players had to make. You haven't said a word yet of barnetts ability and why you think he can't produce against nfl competition.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Every year you try to convince everybody of some liked player

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You can try to convince me til you turn green. It isn't going to make him a great player. He actually has to go out there and perform. You act as if you convince everybody your guy will be great.Will not work thatway sorry

Not trying to convince anyone, I would just like a single valid point as to why you think Barnett is not gonna be good, because you have yet to make one. You just say "he isn't gonna be good no matter what you say, because NFL tackles are better". That isn't a valid argument whatsoever and you refuse to bring a valid argument to the table. Still waiting btw, unless you just know absolutely nothing about Barnett therefore you shouldn't really be speaking on the subject, which looks like it might be the case.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Every year you try to convince everybody of some liked player

Lol this again? You know who has practically the biggest strikeout rate in the history of draft coverage? Mike mayock, the guy currently Being offered a NFL GM job. I may be wrong at times but I'm also right at times, everybody is, the draft is a crap shoot. Would love to see your past predictions.

Edited March 27 by JoeyFlex5

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm not a Barnett Fan like many people here. Will not get into specifics at this time. But NFL tackles are different. Better hand usage, endurance, technique, stronger and coached up. 

please do get into specifics... because no one here is just going to accept unevidenced opinions on him

[rossihunter2]

13 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Every year you try to convince everybody of some liked player

im pretty sure ive been pushing barnett even harder than joey and maybe for longer - he definitely didnt need to convince me - the talent level and polish are evident in his film - his edge-bending ability and hand fighting skills are things that will translate well in the NFL

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You can try to convince me til you turn green. It isn't going to make him a great player. He actually has to go out there and perform. You act as if you convince everybody your guy will be great.Will not work thatway sorry

You can say he wont be good until you turn green.... wont make him a bad player. Nothing anyone anywhere says will effect how he turns out one way or another.

But, some are actually providing insight based on what can be seen from watching him play. One is "not getting into it."

 

He's made some of the top available OT's in this draft look absolutely silly. Some of these tackles will play in the league. Some will likely start early on. So, theres some pretty solid evidence he'll be effective against at least some NFL tackles. No, its certainly not a guarantee. 

But I remember a certain pass rusher who was displayed dominant production against college tackles and it was thought he may not have the athleticism to succeed at the NFL level... fell to the Ravens and went on to become a DPOY. Not saying that Barnett will be as great as Suggs has been.... but sometimes what you see on tape does transfer over to the NFL. 

And I'll take the guy with dominant production for 3 straight years over guys with one stand out year, based mostly on athleticism.

[Rahul]

Barnett, MIke Williams may be Corey davis if not trade down few spots - > get an extra pick and select Charles Harris.

Cam Robinson to Indy is a Reach, So does the pick of Christian McCaffrey to eagle - These picks will impact how the draft board plays out

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol this again? You know who has practically the biggest strikeout rate in the history of draft coverage? Mike mayock, the guy currently Being offered a NFL GM job. I may be wrong at times but I'm also right at times, everybody is, the draft is a crap shoot. Would love to see your past predictions.

So what are you saying?? If you are wrong enough somebody will offer you a job as an NFL gm? Lmao I don't care to be right or wrong. Scouting players doesn't pay me dude. You are not a paid scout yourself. I care about my job that pays me. Being good at that.  But some people on here act offended when somebody is not agreeing with them with particular players. To many unemployed football scouts in America. I only take a peak at the team ravens will be fronting. 

As for Mayock of course he is wrong sometimes. He is scouting every player. Ranking every player. But when he really likes somebody. He is usually correct. You argue every year for players like Correa, Upshaw Elam and Cody as the list continues to grow. 

I don't like Barnett. Maybe round 3. I'm not typing 5 pages explaining to you why. But I do have specifics.

[Jonah DeVito]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

So what are you saying?? If you are wrong enough somebody will offer you a job as an NFL gm? Lmao I don't care to be right or wrong. Scouting players doesn't pay me dude. You are not a paid scout yourself. I care about my job that pays me. Being good at that.  But some people on here act offended when somebody is not agreeing with them with particular players. To many unemployed football scouts in America. I only take a peak at the team ravens will be fronting. 

As for Mayock of course he is wrong sometimes. He is scouting every player. Ranking every player. But when he really likes somebody. He is usually correct. You argue every year for players like Correa, Upshaw Elam and Cody as the list continues to grow. 

I don't like Barnett. Maybe round 3. I'm not typing 5 pages explaining to you why. But I do have specifics.

I mean I can understand if you dont like him, but come on man, "maybe round 3" ???. That makes me question whether you have ever even seen him play. 

Edited March 27 by Jonah DeVito

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

So what are you saying?? If you are wrong enough somebody will offer you a job as an NFL gm? Lmao I don't care to be right or wrong. Scouting players doesn't pay me dude. You are not a paid scout yourself. I care about my job that pays me. Being good at that.  But some people on here act offended when somebody is not agreeing with them with particular players. To many unemployed football scouts in America. I only take a peak at the team ravens will be fronting. 

As for Mayock of course he is wrong sometimes. He is scouting every player. Ranking every player. But when he really likes somebody. He is usually correct. You argue every year for players like Correa, Upshaw Elam and Cody as the list continues to grow. 

I don't like Barnett. Maybe round 3. I'm not typing 5 pages explaining to you why. But I do have specifics.

lol you're like someone who sucks at video games saying "sorry I'm not a nerd like you who spends their whole life gaming!".

It's for fun, I don't consider myself an unemployed scout, I just like football. and nobody is offended at a differing opinion, it's just that what you're saying is completely asinine. 

And that list of players is ridiculous, I hated the upshaw pick, I was done defending Elam after his 2nd year, I was done defending Cody after his 2nd year, and correa is a high upside project and everyone knew that going in, so most of that list is a flat out lie.

5 pages? How about one short statement. lol "I don't have to explain anything to you" is your way of saying you have no explanation. You don't have specifics, stop lying, stop being a contrarian troll for the hell of it, its really lame.

Edited March 27 by JoeyFlex5

[rossihunter2]

30 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

So what are you saying?? If you are wrong enough somebody will offer you a job as an NFL gm? Lmao I don't care to be right or wrong. Scouting players doesn't pay me dude. You are not a paid scout yourself. I care about my job that pays me. Being good at that.  But some people on here act offended when somebody is not agreeing with them with particular players. To many unemployed football scouts in America. I only take a peak at the team ravens will be fronting. 

As for Mayock of course he is wrong sometimes. He is scouting every player. Ranking every player. But when he really likes somebody. He is usually correct. You argue every year for players like Correa, Upshaw Elam and Cody as the list continues to grow. 

I don't like Barnett. Maybe round 3. I'm not typing 5 pages explaining to you why. But I do have specifics.

i repeat, id like to see these pages because the evidence that im party to suggests he's maybe even a top 5 prospect in the draft

im not offended that you disagree - just surprised and a little disbelieving

[Underdogsontop!]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Probably not the person most are going to comment on, but I just don't see it with Kyle Fuller.  Think he's actually a lesser Urschel.  He's not athletic at all.  He's not strong.  His footwork is poor.  The size is nice but he'd be a serious project for anyone that takes him on.

Yeah I was reading on something about Fuller having a bad day at the senior bowl drills. I'd want someone more nfl ready or just go with Urshel. IMO