How will the Ravens lift the weight of "8 and 8"?

[rossihunter2]

13 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

the comprehensuv plan involve startin mallet. timin is everythin. the plan involve the numba 1 selection in 2018, not this yr and multiple numba 1 pics the joe cap hit wil not be 47 mil but time is runnin out  not tellin the board tryin to let the board tell me jus ask urselfs when is the joe cap lower?

It will - that is literally an objective fact that you can look up

even magic couldn't change it as fact

[letitgosometimes]

The Ravens need a major rethink of their strategic plan.  Expect the owner to make move(s) at the top before season starts.  Unfortunately, the Ravens have not recovered from the handling of the Ray Rice incident.  Suggest making a list of those things the Ravens do well (keep doing them) and a list of those things the Ravens do not do well (eliminate them) and then move personnel, accordingly.  Right now without radical changes in their strategy, the Ravens remain third tier.   

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 7:30 PM, rossihunter2 said:

It will - that is literally an objective fact that you can look up

even magic couldn't change it as fact

it was doable but theys is so vestd really now the guy decosta joe is his golden egg goose he doan have it in him to say he aint what i thought the dead cap gets lightnd with a trade for 2018 and 2019 pics. that was a part of the comprehensuv plan

2 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

The Ravens need a major rethink of their strategic plan.  Expect the owner to make move(s) at the top before season starts.  Unfortunately, the Ravens have not recovered from the handling of the Ray Rice incident.  Suggest making a list of those things the Ravens do well (keep doing them) and a list of those things the Ravens do not do well (eliminate them) and then move personnel, accordingly.  Right now without radical changes in their strategy, the Ravens remain third tier.   

watcha gonna do?  everyon here thinks we are hog tied to joe and cap if u have that fram of mine what great strategerie can you work to offset over draffed playas?

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

The Ravens need a major rethink of their strategic plan.  Expect the owner to make move(s) at the top before season starts.  Unfortunately, the Ravens have not recovered from the handling of the Ray Rice incident.  Suggest making a list of those things the Ravens do well (keep doing them) and a list of those things the Ravens do not do well (eliminate them) and then move personnel, accordingly.  Right now without radical changes in their strategy, the Ravens remain third tier.   

There wont be significant changes made at the top before the season starts.  If there were, they would of already made the changes so everyone had time to adjust through the offseason.

[letitgosometimes]

It must be a Baltimore thing: both the Orioles and Ravens look average for the next year.  Hopefully I have miscalculated, but in pro sports anything can happen, right?

[jdynamite]

On 3/28/2017 at 5:11 AM, RayRayRaven said:

in da end u have to ask arer we closer to the superbowl or closer to a reboot. as we are today which way are we headin. when u have ur direction u can say betta or worse than 8-8. when I look at are rosta I doan see a superbowl any wheres near on the hoarison. I see a rosta of ovah draffed playas many of who r at best useful but not differenc makers and that's why I say 8-8 wuld be a good record. compared to 2010 to 2012 rostas we hav crashed an burned.  so which way are we headin? now bout the cap hit of tradin joe you are not factorin the salary we doan have to pay. let me ask u this. if u say the joe cap is 47 mil now when is the joe cap 24 mil?  and ya I wuld trade joe for that joe cap hit in a ny m inute wich is 2 secons. becuz its part of the comprehensuv plan. is there pain yah there is but sweet lemonaid comes from sour lemons. if u can answer that one than u know

I can't tell if this is joke or what. It's very difficult to read too. 

 

1) the other Poster was correct you don't understand how trades or the salary cap works at all based off what you've wrote. When a team trades a player with multiple years left on their contract the team must still pay that player the remaining Guaranteed money, which creates Dead Cap.   

*need proof, when Ray Rice was cut after his ordeal and the team had to carry 9.5M dead money spread over 2 years. 

2) if the Ravens cut or traded Flacco today the Dead Cap would be 47.3M according to Spotrac 

3) Trades have nothing to do with compensatory picks and they never have! Compensatory picks are about the quality of Free Agents The Ravens lose vs the quality of FA they sign. ( with other factors such as contract amounts, performance based achievements ). 

** Lastly Texans and Browns deal to absorb the entire Brock Osweiller deal is rare in Football and should not be viewed as an option for most teams.  Basically like an NBA deal for cash considerations **

[JoeyFlex5]

On 3/27/2017 at 7:07 PM, RayRayRaven said:

underdawg the postas here doan realy understan the cap and cap hit. they jus doan and say figurs that are off by milions. we culd stil trade joe this yr but we signd guys that make gettin betta off that trad harder.  joe is a good guy but he is a mediogre qb cept for those 4 weeks in 2012

So tell us, what is our cap figure for 2017 if we trade joe? Like give me the current salary cap, and the number we would sit at after trading flacco. 

Give a definitive answer please, there's only one answer to this question, there are exact numbers that you simply add up one time to get an exact figure, so there's no way to beat around the bush on this question. 

Please, I'm dying to see you give concrete evidence with simple dollars and cents here. Just answer the question: what is our 2017 cap figure after trading flacco?

[RayRayRaven]

16 hours ago, jdynamite said:

I can't tell if this is joke or what. It's very difficult to read too. 

 

1) the other Poster was correct you don't understand how trades or the salary cap works at all based off what you've wrote. When a team trades a player with multiple years left on their contract the team must still pay that player the remaining Guaranteed money, which creates Dead Cap.   

*need proof, when Ray Rice was cut after his ordeal and the team had to carry 9.5M dead money spread over 2 years. 

2) if the Ravens cut or traded Flacco today the Dead Cap would be 47.3M according to Spotrac 

3) Trades have nothing to do with compensatory picks and they never have! Compensatory picks are about the quality of Free Agents The Ravens lose vs the quality of FA they sign. ( with other factors such as contract amounts, performance based achievements ). 

** Lastly Texans and Browns deal to absorb the entire Brock Osweiller deal is rare in Football and should not be viewed as an option for most teams.  Basically like an NBA deal for cash considerations **

first off takin a cap hit of 20 mil with total cap what it is wil not ruin a team. both the bengals and browns have spent far less than that hit wich is really no more than a limit on spendin u know what i'm sayin spendin below total cap. god I hate this stuf.  so we start wiff that it is ok to be below cap.

so total joe dead cap for 2017 is 18.5 mil vary managaeable.

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So tell us, what is our cap figure for 2017 if we trade joe? Like give me the current salary cap, and the number we would sit at after trading flacco. 

Give a definitive answer please, there's only one answer to this question, there are exact numbers that you simply add up one time to get an exact figure, so there's no way to beat around the bush on this question. 

Please, I'm dying to see you give concrete evidence with simple dollars and cents here. Just answer the question: what is our 2017 cap figure after trading flacco?

jus above check it out corse we have a hit in 2018 as well .  but they already takin actin to make it harda to do.  I culd manage this club much betta and I serreous. gonna proof it in the draff contest. spendin my avail time workin on my draff need by selction top100 play along gonna show anione can do it.

Edited April 1 by RayRayRaven

[SepticeyePoe]

1 hour ago, RayRayRaven said:

first off takin a cap hit of 20 mil with total cap what it is wil not ruin a team. both the bengals and browns have spent far less than that hit wich is really no more than a limit on spendin u know what i'm sayin spendin below total cap. god I hate this stuf.  so we start wiff that it is ok to be below cap.

so total joe dead cap for 2017 is 18.5 mil vary managaeable.

jus above check it out corse we have a hit in 2018 as well .  but they already takin actin to make it harda to do.  I culd manage this club much betta and I serreous. gonna proof it in the draff contest. spendin my avail time workin on my draff need by selction top100 play along gonna show anione can do it.

I'm no cap expert, but spotrac says that Joe's cap hit in 2017 is $24 million. Right next to that is the dead cap, which says $47 million. That is nowhere near the 18.5 million that you are saying. 47 million in dead money is not manageable at all.

And again, if you think that you could run this team, go play Madden and see how well you could do.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

first off takin a cap hit of 20 mil with total cap what it is wil not ruin a team. both the bengals and browns have spent far less than that hit wich is really no more than a limit on spendin u know what i'm sayin spendin below total cap. god I hate this stuf.  so we start wiff that it is ok to be below cap.

so total joe dead cap for 2017 is 18.5 mil vary managaeable.

jus above check it out corse we have a hit in 2018 as well .  but they already takin actin to make it harda to do.  I culd manage this club much betta and I serreous. gonna proof it in the draff contest. spendin my avail time workin on my draff need by selction top100 play along gonna show anione can do it.

ah, so you have proven once and for all, with cold hard numbers, that you have no clue what youre talking about. his dead cap figure is 47m, cold hard fact, no way around it. im curious as to where you got 18.5m? 

and to answer the question...

our current top 51cap is: 143.5m  

the NFL salary cap is: 167m 

after accounting for rollover and dead cap, this leave the ravens with: 10.9m 

joe flaccos dead cap on a trade would be: 47m 

cap figure after trading joe: 190.5m(top 51) 

how far over the cap are we?: 23.5m 

that number is not manageable.

Edited April 1 by JoeyFlex5

[Willbacker]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ah, so you have proven once and for all, with cold hard numbers, that you have no clue what youre talking about. his dead cap figure is 47m, cold hard fact, no way around it. im curious as to where you got 18.5m? 

and to answer the question...

our current top 51cap is: 143.5m  

the NFL salary cap is: 167m 

after accounting for rollover and dead cap, this leave the ravens with: 10.9m 

joe flaccos dead cap on a trade would be: 47m 

cap figure after trading joe: 190.5m(top 51) 

how far over the cap are we?: 23.5m 

that number is not manageable.

He's factoring in a post June 1st cap hit which would be 18.5 mil with a 6 mil cap savings. He just forgetting to tell you of the 29 mil cap hit that's left for future years which I'm not sure how that would be divvied up but it would cripple us for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

He's factoring in a post June 1st cap hit which would be 18.5 mil with a 6 mil cap savings. He just forgetting to tell you of the 29 mil cap hit that's left for future years which I'm not sure how that would be divvied up but it would cripple us for sure.

he doesnt understand, guaranteed money is guaranteed. you take a post june first and lower the dead cap for this year only, and were still well over the 2017 cap and completely crippled in 2018 when the rest of that 47m gets added.

[PurpleHorseman]

35 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

He's factoring in a post June 1st cap hit which would be 18.5 mil with a 6 mil cap savings. He just forgetting to tell you of the 29 mil cap hit that's left for future years which I'm not sure how that would be divvied up but it would cripple us for sure.

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

Edited April 1 by PurpleHorseman

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

no, its not manageable. we would be well over the cap in the next 2 seasons, we would have to cut a lot of key players this year, and even more next year, and forget about re-signing upcoming free agents. we would struggle to even sign draft picks. 

everything this team has built will be gone so we can get under the cap. in 2 years a team with a franchise qb who is getting paid a pretty standard market rate and a solid young foundation, will be in shambles and completely starting over from scratch. we would literally be the 49ers all over again, solid overall roster getting reamed of all its star players and a qb crisis.  

its almost as if people forget the billick days before we had a qb... unbelievable.

[Willbacker]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he doesnt understand, guaranteed money is guaranteed. you take a post june first and lower the dead cap for this year only, and were still well over the 2017 cap and completely crippled in 2018 when the rest of that 47m gets added.

Believe it or not we'd actually gain 6 mil for 2017 since Joe counts 24.5 against the cap this year but then we'd have to take the full hit of the rest of the guaranteed in 2018 which would give us a dead money total of 28,750 mil just for him. Not working lol

8 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

This absolutely cannot be manageable just look above and then no way can we put 5th yr option on Mosley or resign anybody from that draft class or expiring veteran contracts plus the guys we signed this year like Williams and Jefferson for example their cap hits are gonna raise somewhere between 3-5 mil next year for each plus their uncuttable unless we want to shatter the record for dead money. Also we'd have to make other cuts which will add to dead money just to stay under the cap.

Now lets say if we did cut Joe in 2019 we should have the most cap space ever but history shows you cant build a team just thru free agency so in other words we would suck for 4 yrs cuz it takes time to rebuild. So imo its way better to keep Joe and compete. He's cuttable after 3 yrs!!

[jdynamite]

15 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

first off takin a cap hit of 20 mil with total cap what it is wil not ruin a team. both the bengals and browns have spent far less than that hit wich is really no more than a limit on spendin u know what i'm sayin spendin below total cap. god I hate this stuf.  so we start wiff that it is ok to be below cap.

so total joe dead cap for 2017 is 18.5 mil vary managaeable.

jus above check it out corse we have a hit in 2018 as well .  but they already takin actin to make it harda to do.  I culd manage this club much betta and I serreous. gonna proof it in the draff contest. spendin my avail time workin on my draff need by selction top100 play along gonna show anione can do it.

It's really sad that I and others have told you what the actual numbers would be if Flacco was Cut or Traded and total numbers which would be broken down and yet you just pull random numbers out of the sky. 

You honestly think it's easy for a team to construct a roster with that much of Dead cap space. The team had a hard enough time working off the 9.5 dead cap after the Ray rice ordeal. 

You talking about the bengals and browns... Cleveland entire roster is compose of draft picks and only handful of players on their 2nd or 3rd NFL contracts.

The bengals built most of their roster through the draft from years of sucking and now that some of those players have been due contracts they are losing starters left and right the last 2 years ( M.Sanu, M.Jones, Zeitler, Whitworth, R.Nelson, M.Johnson-left and returned )  

 

Really don't talk about you could run a team better when you don't understand Salary cap structures, compensatory picks or anything. I mean in your previous post you said "trade Flacco so we get compensatory picks" 

Edited April 1 by jdynamite

[jdynamite]

12 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

Brad Kaaya has some of the worst pocket mobility and pocket awareness I've ever seen. I'm a Hurricanes fan, I felt like Kaaya never developed much over his last 3 years. He didn't read defenses any better, didn't get the ball out quickly on his progressions. 

Kaaya needs a Top 5 Oline and some time to develop because when he has a clean pocket he's accurate when there's pressure he begins to see ghosts and get erratic. 

 

[RayRayRaven]

12 hours ago, Willbacker said:

He's factoring in a post June 1st cap hit which would be 18.5 mil with a 6 mil cap savings. He just forgetting to tell you of the 29 mil cap hit that's left for future years which I'm not sure how that would be divvied up but it would cripple us for sure.

u pretty much got it look the bottum line is joe has not and wil not pan out 4 us we stil hav a chance to benifit from getting rid of him.  we will field a lessar team for a  cuple yrs but the draffs from those yrs will set us on r future

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he doesnt understand, guaranteed money is guaranteed. you take a post june first and lower the dead cap for this year only, and were still well over the 2017 cap and completely crippled in 2018 when the rest of that 47m gets added.

nah not at all good teems like the bengals have been 30 mil under cap u gotta think jof it that way. doan be a neg nancy the key though is oz and decost cant be pullin the triggar on those juicy pics we need a comprehsuv approch and that includs dumpin the guys that got us in did fruit jam preserve

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

u pretty much got it look the bottum line is joe has not and wil not pan out 4 us we stil hav a chance to benifit from getting rid of him.  we will field a lessar team for a  cuple yrs but the draffs from those yrs will set us on r future

nah not at all good teems like the bengals have been 30 mil under cap u gotta think jof it that way. doan be a neg nancy the key though is oz and decost cant be pullin the triggar on those juicy pics we need a comprehsuv approch and that includs dumpin the guys that got us in did fruit jam preserve

Hasn't panned out... even though he won us a super bowl with a historic performance. 

The bengals are bleeding homegrown talent, they had high picks for the past decade and no qb to pay, now they're picking later and have a big contract for dalton and guess what... they're on a serious downward spiral

[RayRayRaven]

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hasn't panned out... even though he won us a super bowl with a historic performance. 

The bengals are bleeding homegrown talent, they had high picks for the past decade and no qb to pay, now they're picking later and have a big contract for dalton and guess what... they're on a serious downward spiral

u kno that espn sports show 30 fur 30 that's a great show one of my favs is called 4 days in oktober bout the red socks comin back from 3-0 I thing they will one day do anothur called 4 wks in wintar it wil be the story of joe flacco and how with 4 outta da blue wks joe become the highest paid qb in the league with among the lowest productshon nevah to be heard from again the yardstic for measurin joe aint the 4 wks in wintar thats jus where he got paid if at this time i wasnt sure of how bad it is i wuldnt hav develpd the comprehensuv plan get ready to p lay the draff contest

Edited April 2 by RayRayRaven

[PurpleHorseman]

On 4/1/2017 at 9:33 AM, Willbacker said:

Believe it or not we'd actually gain 6 mil for 2017 since Joe counts 24.5 against the cap this year but then we'd have to take the full hit of the rest of the guaranteed in 2018 which would give us a dead money total of 28,750 mil just for him. Not working lol

This absolutely cannot be manageable just look above and then no way can we put 5th yr option on Mosley or resign anybody from that draft class or expiring veteran contracts plus the guys we signed this year like Williams and Jefferson for example their cap hits are gonna raise somewhere between 3-5 mil next year for each plus their uncuttable unless we want to shatter the record for dead money. Also we'd have to make other cuts which will add to dead money just to stay under the cap.

Now lets say if we did cut Joe in 2019 we should have the most cap space ever but history shows you cant build a team just thru free agency so in other words we would suck for 4 yrs cuz it takes time to rebuild. So imo its way better to keep Joe and compete. He's cuttable after 3 yrs!!

That is wrong. His cap hit is over next 2 yrs. what is this talk we couldn't resign players drafted last yr and this draft? I never said there wouldn't be problems if Joe was traded. It would take terrific drafts next couple drafts. And would have to get something significant for Flacco in return. Which really isn't very likely.

Ravens are not trading Flacco. Even if he is terrible. Management is more likely to draft a QB round1 if Joe is terrible. And sit Joe.  Really tough to know what exactly management would do. With some good drafts and a significant return it could trade him. But not likely. Because if he plays terrible nobody is giving up anything significant for Joe Flacco

Best scenario is putting a line and weapons around Joe to succeed. But be careful of bashing ideas to trade Joe. Because if he is terrible the ravens will be looking for a QB in round1 and trading significant picks to move up for a QB. I personally think Joe could be a top10 QB. But have to put a good line in front of him. He can play well with functional WR's. But he needs his time. He isn't lightning triggered reading defenses like Brady Bree's Rivers and Matt Ryan. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

On 4/1/2017 at 0:41 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

It could be manageable. If an expensive QB playing poorly is doable. Then so is overcoming the 18mil cap hit cutting him. However there is a catch. To overcome it we would have to find a franchise QB in the mid rounds of the draft or cheap in free agency. Such as a QB a team gave up on to early or flew under the radar. Potentially Mettenberger Aaron Murray. Two QBs I think could excel if surrounded by a dominant line and functional weapons. Or draft a Chad Kelly or Brad Kaya in round4 or later that impresses in short order. As well as a really good draft.

Not favorable scenarios but not out of the question. Of course the better idea is to surround our QB with a dominant line and good weapons. And not have to consider.  cutting him.

Except you're not factoring in the 2018 cap hit that we would incur if you designate him a post June-1 cut.

All a post June-1 cut does is spread out the total dead money over two years. It doesn't eliminate any of it.

So you'd have a $18.55M cap hit in 2017, and a $28.75M cap hit in 2018.

While obviously this is not happening because there's no reason for it to him, if you cut Joe at any point during 2017, he will count at least $47.3M in cap space in the present and future. The only question is whether you take it in one year or two years. It doesn't change the total amount at all, and there's nothing he or the Ravens can do to alter that.

The Patriots were taking significant cap hits for Aaron Hernandez while he was in prison. That's how borderline impossible it is to recover guaranteed signing bonus cap space from NFL players, even in extreme situations.

[Willbacker]

18 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

That is wrong. His cap hit is over next 2 yrs. what is this talk we couldn't resign players drafted last yr and this draft? I never said there wouldn't be problems if Joe was traded. It would take terrific drafts next couple drafts. And would have to get something significant for Flacco in return. Which really isn't very likely.

Ravens are not trading Flacco. Even if he is terrible. Management is more likely to draft a QB round1 if Joe is terrible. And sit Joe.  Really tough to know what exactly management would do. With some good drafts and a significant return it could trade him. But not likely. Because if he plays terrible nobody is giving up anything significant for Joe Flacco

Best scenario is putting a line and weapons around Joe to succeed. But be careful of bashing ideas to trade Joe. Because if he is terrible the ravens will be looking for a QB in round1 and trading significant picks to move up for a QB. I personally think Joe could be a top10 QB. But have to put a good line in front of him. He can play well with functional WR's. But he needs his time. He isn't lightning triggered reading defenses like Brady Bree's Rivers and Matt Ryan. 

 

Did you understand anything in my post. I said the cap hit is over 2 yrs( 2017 and 2018). I said nothing about not being able to resign players from this and last yrs draft. What are you talking about???

[PurpleHorseman]

37 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Did you understand anything in my post. I said the cap hit is over 2 yrs( 2017 and 2018). I said nothing about not being able to resign players from this and last yrs draft. What are you talking about???

I said it was over 2 yrs. I wasn't referring to you. Sorry, I should of said that. I was referring to everybody talking about cap hell. Saying things like we can't sign our own players for next 4 years. referring to all comments.

[Willbacker]

40 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I said it was over 2 yrs. I wasn't referring to you. Sorry, I should of said that. I was referring to everybody talking about cap hell. Saying things like we can't sign our own players for next 4 years. referring to all comments.

Yeah you quoted my post lol.

[RayRayRaven]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

That is wrong. His cap hit is over next 2 yrs. what is this talk we couldn't resign players drafted last yr and this draft? I never said there wouldn't be problems if Joe was traded. It would take terrific drafts next couple drafts. And would have to get something significant for Flacco in return. Which really isn't very likely.

 

wiff proper timin it is over two yrs u gotta rememba the comprehsuv plan involve an idenified qb to replace joe.  that qb will be a soph this yr and may come out in 2018 2019 at latest where you are not on bored is what teams will giv for joe we can get two 1s specially if we defer to 2018 on the 1st.  certainly a 1 and a 2 but you gotta be willin to shop him next we will field a less competititve team perhaps to where we win the number 1 draff outright though i beleive givin a chanc to start ever week mallet will outplay what joe did and if he doan that sauce for the goose!  we will hav a harvest of pics to make in 2018 an 2019 an a qb target we will be rid of cap and tryin to fix what cant be fixed. corse you gotta draff well and we wuldnt leave that to oz an decost consider the hole they done dug

[SepticeyePoe]

5 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

wiff proper timin it is over two yrs u gotta rememba the comprehsuv plan involve an idenified qb to replace joe.  that qb will be a soph this yr and may come out in 2018 2019 at latest where you are not on bored is what teams will giv for joe we can get two 1s specially if we defer to 2018 on the 1st.  certainly a 1 and a 2 but you gotta be willin to shop him next we will field a less competititve team perhaps to where we win the number 1 draff outright though i beleive givin a chanc to start ever week mallet will outplay what joe did and if he doan that sauce for the goose!  we will hav a harvest of pics to make in 2018 an 2019 an a qb target we will be rid of cap and tryin to fix what cant be fixed. corse you gotta draff well and we wuldnt leave that to oz an decost consider the hole they done dug

If teams are willing to give up two firsts, then why would we want to get rid of Joe? If we had a good reason to get rid of him, then why would a team be giving up two firsts? 

[Purple_City39]

In all honesty, if the Ravens were stupid enough to cut/trade Joe with a post June 1 designation (if cut), they could manage it.  Don't down vote me just yet lol.  They could take the 6M in savings and not touch it, rolling it to next year to offset a little of that cap hit for Joe's dead money, bringing it down from 29M to 23M.  That's huge, but we did just see the Cowboys take a 22M cap hit for Romo to ride the bench all season.  Of course we'd need pretty good QB play from Mallet all season which seems laughable to imagine, we'd need an o-line that's the best in the NFL, we'd need to draft the best rookie class in history that all become day 1 starters, and then we'd need every starter to stay healthy all year...........

That said, this would easily be the stupidest thing the Ravens front office has ever done without question and would cause me to do nothing but call for them all to be fired and Bischotti to sell the team due to pure incompetence.  But in theory, there's a 1% chance it works out somehow

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

In all honesty, if the Ravens were stupid enough to cut/trade Joe with a post June 1 designation (if cut), they could manage it.  Don't down vote me just yet lol.  They could take the 6M in savings and not touch it, rolling it to next year to offset a little of that cap hit for Joe's dead money, bringing it down from 29M to 23M.  That's huge, but we did just see the Cowboys take a 22M cap hit for Romo to ride the bench all season.  Of course we'd need pretty good QB play from Mallet all season which seems laughable to imagine, we'd need an o-line that's the best in the NFL, we'd need to draft the best rookie class in history that all become day 1 starters, and then we'd need every starter to stay healthy all year...........

That said, this would easily be the stupidest thing the Ravens front office has ever done without question and would cause me to do nothing but call for them all to be fired and Bischotti to sell the team due to pure incompetence.  But in theory, there's a 1% chance it works out somehow

Well, just to be clear about one thing that needs reiterating...

Tony Romo mostly sat the bench last year because he got injured in the preseason. If he never gets injured, nobody knows who Dak Prescott is. That takes an incredible amount of "luck" for things to happen the way they did for the Cowboys last season. There was zero foresight from the Cowboys organization that Dak was actually better than Tony and would have won an outright competition over him, so lets not give too much credit. I give them credit for drafting him and evaluating him the way they did, but not for some perception that they actually chose him over Romo, because that didn't really happen.

If people think they can adopt this model from Dallas, then they will be fools and they will fail miserably doing so.

Joe isn't going anywhere. It makes no financial sense. It makes no production sense.

[RavensFanMania]

On 4/1/2017 at 1:11 PM, RayRayRaven said:

u pretty much got it look the bottum line is joe has not and wil not pan out 4 us we stil hav a chance to benifit from getting rid of him.  we will field a lessar team for a  cuple yrs but the draffs from those yrs will set us on r future

nah not at all good teems like the bengals have been 30 mil under cap u gotta think jof it that way. doan be a neg nancy the key though is oz and decost cant be pullin the triggar on those juicy pics we need a comprehsuv approch and that includs dumpin the guys that got us in did fruit jam preserve

Do you realize that this forum is in the English language.  You should learn that first before trying to understand the salary cap, which you clearly do not.