Flex post combina/FA mock

[JoeyFlex5]

with free agency cooled down and teams needs beginning to come into picture more, and the combine being behind us, we now have a much better image of the outlook on the draft, were still a ways away so the inevitable rumors that will circulate when the draft nears will change things, but for now... 

1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett, edge, TAM Simply the BPA, i dont think hes this all-universe talent some make him out to be, but still the BPA due to his ceiling. 

2. SF - Jonathan Allen, DL, Bama Going with the safe pick here, but this could be a real shocker, wouldnt be surprised to see a trade back here, wouldnt be surprised to see a qb, wouldnt be surprised to see them shock the world and take someone way higher than expected, such as mike williams or OJ Howard, or an edge rusher like taco or barnett. 

3. Chicago - Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford seeing him fly up boards even more since the combine, it would make sense here. looks like chicago isnt happy with this qb class after paying mike glennon, their 2nd DE spot is one of the weakest spots on the roster and they upgrade it massively here. 

4. Jax - OJ Howard, TE, Bama first big shocker. hurns and robinson have been good to bortles despite his unwillingness to return the favor with consistent play and accurate throws. if there was an OL talent worthy of 4th overall they would take him, but there isnt. they spent more money on defense and have done very little for the offense in FA, they wanna give bortles some more help. they could go fournette here, but yeldon has been solid and rivera isnt a spectacular threat at TE, and Howards amazing blocking ability will mean they add much more than just add a receiving threat, his presence on the field doesnt indicate a pass because he is an elite inline blocker and has a feel for the security blanket role, laying chips on rushers and slipping out to soft spots will make bortles' life much easier. 

5. Tennessee Titans - Jamal Adams, S, LSU seems obvious 

6. NYJ - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU they need anything they can get on offense, they wanted Howard with them having absolutely nothing at TE, they like lattimore but the injuries scare them away, so they take a workhorse back to hopefully carry their offense until they sort out the qb situation 

7. LAC - Malik Hooker, FS, OSU they cant really go any other way here, it makes too much sense, safety is a huge need and hooker could be a generational talent 

8. Carolina - Reuben Foster, LB, Bama Carolina has been hardcore BPA as of late, they do it again here with the idea of replacing thomas davis who is really getting up there in age. ideally for them, an edge rusher would fit best, but for a team who is so dead set on BPA i think the talent gap between foster and guys like barnett and taco will be too much for them to begin addressing needs now. shaq thompson, luke keuchly, reuben foster, that is a LB corps for the ages 

9. Cinci - Derek Barnett, edge, Tennessee BPA and a need, makes me sad. 

10. Buffalo - Mike Williams, WR, Clemson they desperately need another receiver, so they get an all star here with williams. 

11. NO - Taco Charlton, edge, Michigan they cant go another season with this revolving door across from Cameron Jordan 

12. Cleveland - Marshon Lattimore, OSU they take the classes top corner hoping that he stays healthy and they get the best corner prospect in recent memory, if not for injuries this kid probably beats out myles garrett with ease, his talent is absolutely incredible. they stay patient for a qb and instead build a stacked roster that can help a rookie qb excel, see: Dallas.

13. Arizona - Mitch Trubisky, QB, UNC its a guessing game as to how many weeks will carson palmer suit up, also how many games will he be serviceable even when fully healthy. health and inconsistencies aside, the cards have a pretty loaded roster with just a few weaknesses and getting a qb to step in when needed and to be the starter by 2018 is imperative for them. 

14. Philly - Marlon Humphrey, CB, Bama i was between cook, reddick, and humphrey here, and i took need over all else for philly. they cannot go into next season with their current secondary. 

15. Indy - Dalvin Cook, RB, FSU frank gores gotta be replaced at some point 

16. Baltimore - Tim Williams, edge, Bama

 there are rumblings that the ravens really like cam robinson, i believe it, but decosta also once singled out tim williams in an interview citing him as an edge guy they like, and they havent mentioned him since, which seems more like decosta style rather than letting everyone know who he wants. Plus i think this could be the year that steve intervenes and lays down the hammer for an edge rusher, he has made it known how badly he wants one, he has been patient, and they finally can get their guy and steve wont let this one slip past. Williams is a menace, flat out, the dude averaged a sack every 10 snaps as a DPR, he flies off the ball faster than anyone aside from charles harris but his bend far exceeds that, he has violent hands and plays every snap with authority, he has a spin-move that leaves tackles hugging ghosts and a spin/elbow-swing that has knocked tackles flat on their backs. hes got the character concerns but he comes off as an A1 teammate, hes more interested in passing praise to his teammates than he is in individual accolades, he genuinely cares about winning and the camaraderie of being a team, and comes off as a very humble and respectful young man in interviews, and when THAT kind of guy steps on the field and takes over with attitude and intensity, its an attractive trait. i think tim williams just did some boneheaded things in college, it worried me a lot, but after seeing some interviews i would just really be surprised if he was actually troubled. this is finally our chance to get an elite edge rusher and we take one. 

17. Washington - Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy ILB is probably the weakest spot on the roster, they get a rangy starting ILB here

18. Tennessee - Corey Davis, WR, WMU the titans have absolutely nothing at WR, they would love to continue to bolster the secondary here but they cant afford to go into this pivotal season with their current wr corps 

19. Tampa Bay - David Njoku, TE, Miami the bucs have one of the most well rounded rosters in the league, the only thing they need is a starting SS and a TE and some depth. they could go with peppers here but i think they wanna build some more around winston and let him really take the next step, the defense can be addressed later 

20. Denver - Cam Robinson, OT/G, Bama BLA - best lineman available, for a team who needs help anywhere up front 

21. Detroit - Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple an incredibly talented and heady player, if he was 25 lbs heavier and 2 inches taller hes a top 10 lock, crushed the combine, put up DB numbers running with the DLs, more naturally a LB, but still crushed the LB numbers as well. and long before the combine he was showing first round tape. josh bynes and paul worrilow are both nobodies, reddick will cover like a LB, pursue the backside of the play against the run, and will provide desperately needed pass rush on a team with one elite edge rusher and nothing else. 

22. Miami - Jabrill Peppers, SS, Michigan they could use either a SS or a 43OLB, peppers would have no trouble finding a role here and will likely make an impact as long as hes on a defense where he finds a fit 

23. NYG - Ryan Ramczyk, LT, Wisconsin giants just need OL help plain and simple 

24. Oakland - Gareon Conley, CB, OSU raiders still need a cb if they want to have a legit chance at a super bowl 

25. Houston - Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson if the houston GM was smart he would either trade back, or wait for someone in the 2nd, or just take mahomes, but theyll take Watson because they arent too bright about QBs

26. Seattle - Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah seattle cant keep letting wilson run for his life, they have to address the OL, ifedi was a good start assuming he develops well, bolles at worst is a starting RT, possibly a future LT 

27. KC - TJ Watt, OLB, Wisconsin tamba hali needs a future replacement, TJ watt strikes me as a andy reid type of guy, versatile, fundamental, smart, he is a guy whos energy will feed the rest of the defense, he holds up well against the run but isnt an elite edge setter, he rushes the passer very well despite being underdeveloped in both body and technique, but really the kid is just a playmaker and a leader. this pick will continue KCs dominance in the pass rush 

28. Dallas - Budda Baker, S, Washington losing barry church and both starting corners will seriously hurt their already struggling secondary, they could go anywhere in the secondary here, they could go jackson, quincy wilson or just be dummies and take tabor, but i personally have baker above all of them and they could be tempted to have the incredibly athletic and dynamic tandem of byron jones and budda baker, that is a serious amount of range and playmaking ability. both can help against the run, jones can cover TEs and WRs alike and sniff out screens, baker can absolute destroy screens and short passes and blitz like a missile, it would be a tandem every offense fears. 

29. GB - Takkarist Mckinley, edge, UCLA with clay on the decline and peppers leaving, GB needs to take an edge rusher early to stay caught up in a division that requires a pass rush 

30. Pitt - Charles Harris, edge, Mizzou swing and a miss on bud dupree, at least until he shows otherwise, and james harrison cant play forever, theyll need an edge rusher almost immediately. funny thing is, harris and dupree will be all they have on the edge and they cant defend the run worth a lick. so they better hope tuitt and heyward shut down the run all on their own 

31. Atlanta - Forrest Lamp, G, WKU steps in for chris chester day 1 and turns their weakness up front into a strength. 

32. NO - Adoree Jackson, CB, USC edge was their biggest need, secondary is next, they could take any db here but im going with jackson.

 

ROUND 2: 

 

Juju Smith-Schuster, WR, USC. 

this is a guy thats been growing on me recently and seems to be falling down draft boards. the more i think about how much id love mike williams on this team, the more i think about how similar juju is and how he just might be a good fit. he has nfl hands, tenacity, body shielding/boxing out, highpointing, and a real intensity and desire to catch the ball and produce as much as possible. he is about as sure handed as they come and turns into a power-back with the ball in his hands, seeking out the nearest tackler to make sure he delivers the blow rather than receive it. sniffs out the sticks and the goal line well. lays it all on the field on every play, constantly seen on film making extended diving catches, getting blasted by dbs and holding on, just really sells out for the catch and run. could stand to be more fluid, has those common stiff hips that bigger receivers have but hes nowhere near say a jaelen strong in terms of stiffness. makes enough separation to do what he does best but not an elite route runner. 

ROUND 3: 

  

Erik Magnuson, RT, Michigan. 

natural right tackle despite having slightly less than ideal length. he doesnt quite have guard strength, but is adequate as an OT, he works best in space, patient with great feet and anticipation making him a stonewall in pass protection, has room for growth as his arms and legs look a little slim, so while his strength is adequate for an exterior blocker he could become an excellent all around RT with proper dues in the weight room.  

 

Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma 

a high ceiling DT with immense interior pass rush ability, missed a large portion of his last season to a concussion, needs to progress on technique to be as disruptive in the NFL as he was in college, but has an NFL ready body and is super quick, close to ideal size for the 3T/5T hybrid that we will soon need when jernigan inevitably leaves. of all the rotational guys currently on the ravens, walker would stand a better chance earning a role as full time player than any of them, higher ceiling AND floor than guy like pierce, henry, and urban, and a higher floor than kaufusi.  

ROUND 4: 

 

Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma 

i dont think the ravens can resist taking a RB basically every draft. i dont think they plan on keeping terrence west long term, kenneth dixon looks like a workhorse but has been injured a lot dating back to college and is now suspended for PEDs, our RB situation is a lot less sorted out than it was a few months ago. Samaje Perine is a total bruiser, absolutely punishing runner, lacks  breakaway speed and has done nothing as a receiver, hes a power back and needs a change of pace guy behind him, he doesnt fit that ideal mold of the modern NFL RB so he falls, but the ravens who want to build a power running identity are ok with his old school bruising style. kenneth dixon when on the field is a bit of a bruiser but also has supreme elusiveness, perine basically takes dixons elusiveness and trades it for pure power, in a gap scheme he will produce, even when the gap doesnt open  hes gonna get 3 yards and cloud of dust often. 

 

 

4 rounds is all im gonna do.

[Davesta]

Selecting Tim Williams while Corey Davis on the board, I think I would flip my table and call it a night. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Selecting Tim Williams while Corey Davis on the board, I think I would flip my table and call it a night. 

why is that? tim williams is a legit first round, top 20 type talent who is falling 100% because of the failed drug tests, all it takes is interviews to make someone take a chance, ill put imaginary money on it that someone takes a chance in the first round, it may not be us, but someone will, and i would like for it to be us. 

corey davis, as good as he is at a lot of things, i think people are penciling him in as an automatic all star way too early. hes a pretty passive catcher and doesnt attack the ball well, he has faced more relaxed coverage than any first round wr prospect i can think of, i mean he constantly had so much cushion he didnt even have to work for separation. everything that is being said about corey davis now, was said about nelson agholor 2 years back, and really they look like similar players on film but agholor played far superior competition and showed more pursuit to the ball, im not into "X played better against Y than Z did so X is better" so i wont dive into that anymore, just saying that its way premature for corey davis to get all these accolades. 

and by the way, i like corey davis a lot. i just think his hype has grown to unreasonable levels from a select crowd on these boards recently. i think there are plenty of better directions the ravens can go at 16, id take williams, cam, oj howard, tj watt, haason reddick, marlon humphrey, derek barnett, and mike williams over corey davis if any of them are available, and im sure i can think of more

Edited March 25 by JoeyFlex5

[RaineV1]

1st round: I'm completely fine with this pick. I'd rather take Davis if he's on the board, but with Barnett gone, Williams would be my number second option.

2nd: Juju could be a good chain moving WR, but I think this is too early for him. If the Ravens go WR in the second and Zay Jones is gone, I'd sooner pick Chris Godwin.

3rd: I think it's a bit too early for him. He seemed more like a fourth rounder prospect, or possibly late third. Though it's not a bad pick. I think he could be a starting RT in his rookie year.

3rd comp: I like this pick. Jernigan is possibly on his way out and the other guys aren't the best at stopping the run. Someone that can stuff the run and get penetration is exactly what the Ravens need at 3-4 DE.

4th: I've been a fan of his for awhile and mentioned him as a pick for us like half a year ago. The Ravens are looking for physical, mean-streak blockers so we might as well get a RB in the same mold. The thing I like about Perine is that he does have enough speed to turn an opening into a big run. Not a fifty yard td kind of big run, but a solid fifteen to twenty yards before getting brought down. As much as I like Dixon, it would be good to have an insurance policy due to him missing a lot of time so far.

Edited March 25 by RaineV1

[January J]

I think this is a realistic mock. Doesn't blow you away and leave you drooling- but rarely does that ever really happen on draft night.  All picks makes sense- the only beef I have is not taking a corner in such a stacked class at the position..  I know you only did 4  rounds so technically we could still take 1- but I  certainly see us taking one before then. My guess would be with one of the two picks we have in the third.

[January J]

I've also been falling in love with Corey Davis lately- but like you said I think bisciotti will have a strong influence on us taking an edge rusher..suggs is almost done and the time might be now so he can have a year or 2 to learn behind him and keep each other fresh. 

[rmw10]

I love Williams as a player but I find it hard to take him at 16 with the reported and even self-admitted issues.  If we do take him, I imagine it means that Ozzie did a lot of checking with his Alabama connections, but still find it hard to believe at this time.

[Stevin]

• 428 snaps on defense this year were the most in a single season of William’s collegiate career. That’s 684 career snaps less than Tennessee’s Derek Barnett played in 2016 alone.(с)    and how about his off-the-field issues?
• i like him a lot , but  he's not a safe pick for sure. it's not gonna happen , we need a safe pick in 1st. 
• i think tim will be drafted in 2nd

i like juju , it's a good pick but i'm afraid he will not be there

i don't like magnusson at all , especially in 3rd. mb in 5th this pick will be ok.

we don't need another dt , we have enough of that. if ravens pick some d-lineman , it's probably gonna be a tall de , something like mcdowell , wormley , jones etc .

perine is a great player but...  another rb in 4th round? again!? 3rd year in a row!?!? mb he will be better than west and lorenzo but we already have west and lorenzo...

 

[rossihunter2]

I really don't like that 3rd round but other than that I'd be happy with this - tim williams is someone i dont often pick on my mocks at 16 but if we do pick him ill be elated because the reason he's below guys like corey davis on my board is because im unsure about him (we just dont know whether the team likes him or not) - that being said if we pick him ill feel confident that we know who he is and therefore ill be able to get excited about the guy i fell in love with on film

juju is a guy i also like - i feel like he'll probably fall between our 2nd and 3rd round pick but id love to have him on the team

Perrine is also interesting and may well be BPA in the 4th - id personally prefer one of the cb flyers who might be around there like kazee

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I love Williams as a player but I find it hard to take him at 16 with the reported and even self-admitted issues.  If we do take him, I imagine it means that Ozzie did a lot of checking with his Alabama connections, but still find it hard to believe at this time.

for me its a matter of i wouldnt project him to us at the moment but if he were to be the pick id be excited because id assume that the issues were a non-issue for us/we were confident they were resolved

[ravensnation5220]

I like it. I don't love it but that's ok. Like too see different names. 

I think Magnuson is a bit of a reach and would prefer Dawkins. 

Also don't like perine. We already have west and Dixon we need a home run threat. I really like Marlon Mack from usf for us in the same round

[Somerset Ravens]

Looking at your draft it seems to me that your picks are all a round too early. To me Tim Williams is a one trick pony, he does have pass rushing ability but little else. He missed  drug tests which are a red flag for me.To me a first round pick should be a complete player not one dimensional.Tim Williams going in the first round would be a surprise to me.

I do like Schuster but he really needs to improve his route running but he does have good hands and should do well on contested catrches.

[Edgar]

Reddick is special. No way I take Williams over him.....

An aside : Williams mustered two half sacks in Alabama's final five games. That sort of drought is troubling.

No corners in four rounds is inexplicable to me. 

[rossihunter2]

38 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Looking at your draft it seems to me that your picks are all a round too early. To me Tim Williams is a one trick pony, he does have pass rushing ability but little else. He missed  drug tests which are a red flag for me.To me a first round pick should be a complete player not one dimensional.Tim Williams going in the first round would be a surprise to me.

I do like Schuster but he really needs to improve his route running but he does have good hands and should do well on contested catrches.

i dont see that with tim williams at all - he's a multi-faceted pass rusher who has shown (albeit in limited opportunities) that he can be a 3 down defender - he's 100% worth the 16th pick if teams feel comfortable about the drugs and the arrest - as for making it out of the first round... i dont see that happening at all

[purpletide]

4 hours ago, Edgar said:

Reddick is special. No way I take Williams over him.....

An aside : Williams mustered two half sacks in Alabama's final five games. That sort of drought is troubling.

No corners in four rounds is inexplicable to me. 

Stats don't matter nearly as much as film, a player could perform perfectly and still not be able to make the play. In Charles Harris' last five games, he had 5.5 sacks, and Reddick only had 3. Harris and Williams played against stronger opposition too, so if we're going off of stats I guess Harris is more of a "special" guy than Reddick.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Stats don't matter nearly as much as film, a player could perform perfectly and still not be able to make the play. In Charles Harris' last five games, he had 5.5 sacks, and Reddick only had 3. Harris and Williams played against stronger opposition too, so if we're going off of stats I guess Harris is more of a "special" guy than Reddick.

and i know that williams had a sub-par game against clemson but there were still a couple of plays i remember clearly where he destroyed the tackle off the snap and bent the edge and literally slipped on his way to the qb

[purpletide]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

and i know that williams had a sub-par game against clemson but there were still a couple of plays i remember clearly where he destroyed the tackle off the snap and bent the edge and literally slipped on his way to the qb

Plus Bama has a constant rotation. NFL talent all around and great depth=cycling players in and out constantly.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Plus Bama has a constant rotation. NFL talent all around and great depth=cycling players in and out constantly.

for him a lot of people hold the lack of run defence against him - but for me its about opportunities there because he proved against LSU that he could be at least ok setting the edge in the run game

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, purpletide said:

Stats don't matter nearly as much as film, a player could perform perfectly and still not be able to make the play. In Charles Harris' last five games, he had 5.5 sacks, and Reddick only had 3. Harris and Williams played against stronger opposition too, so if we're going off of stats I guess Harris is more of a "special" guy than Reddick.

Yeah, I'm positive you read way too much into the post.

You see, I've actually watched these players and can form opinions ( admittedly  off the mark at times)on a player without needing to read up on what somebody else thinks.

 

 

[purpletide]

13 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Yeah, I'm positive you read way too much into the post.

You see, I've actually watched these players and can form opinions ( admittedly  off the mark at times)on a player without needing to read up on what somebody else thinks.

 

 

I admit I blew your comment out of proportion. I quoted you, but mostly went off of the "drought" you mentioned. I still don't see Williams' lack of sacks at the end of the season as a problem, and I don't see it as very relevant considering Tim still had more sacks than Reddick in their college careers. I don't doubt that you judge off of film, just thought you gave numbers too much credit.

[hn68wb4]

I've already said before that I really don't like Williams' value at 16. He can pass rush but I don't think he can be much more than a pass rush specialist at the next level, just what I get from watching him. I don't want to get into it, but I can't see him as BPA over Corey Davis, Cam Robinson, or a couple of the other guys you've got on the board. I'd honestly take Watt over him - and I don't want Watt at 16 either - I think a trade back would be a much better decision if the board falls the way you've got it.

Early in the process I really, really didn't like Smith-Schuster, but I started to change that opinion about a month ago. He's not the fastest guy on the planet, but speed isn't really the main thing we're looking for, and it's secondary to the fact that he gets open in the short field anyway. He would be a good Aiken replacement for when we need a reliable target within 20 yards. I like the value here.

Magnuson in the mid 3rd is probably my least favorite pick here. Just from what I've seen of him: lack of strength is a red flag, his footwork can get real sloppy against speed rushers (just throw on the Ohio State tape and you'll see what I'm talking about, his kick out wasn't fast enough to catch his man often), and I don't really agree with your comment about pass protection, I think he's pretty weak in the department. Honestly when I watch him I only see a swing tackle ceiling, I don't see a guy that can step in at RT any time soon in the NFL.

I watched Walker forever ago, so I will have to go back and watch him to give analysis, but I do remember that I liked him less that other options that'll likely be available at his position, most notable Jarron Jones (whom I think can be extremely good with some coaching up, the way he dominated Miami's oline showed me a lot, obviously isn't ready to go day one, but if developed right I see a very good player here) and Nazair Jones.

I love Perine (though I hate how his name is pronounced, I'm going to keep saying per-een and I'm not stopping), great power and his balance is unreal. However his knee issues do give me some pause. Power guys with knee issues is a legitimate red flag.

As an overall note - I can't see us passing totally on the strongest CB class in forever. There will be great options at our second and third that may be starting quality players immediately that I think have to be BPA. Carr is only a one, maybe two at most, year fix at #2 CB, and even with him we know Jimmy will go down at some point again putting us in a terrible position since we are still severely lacking in depth on the outside. Canady is an interesting developmental guy, but I think it'd be foolish to put our depth trust in him after only one year of development.

Edited March 26 by hn68wb4

[Jonah DeVito]

10 minutes ago, Edgar said:

"Stats don't matter as much as film...."

" Tim still had more sacks than Reddick..." apparently they matter more to you one post later.

I'm nowhere close to comparing them statistically. As I said, I watch and see what I see. And for the record, I like Williams. If you like Williams better, I'll assume you've done your own study and come to that conclusion , that you don't prefer Reddick to him.

You can spare the misplaced condescension in the meantime.

He didn't flat out say stats don't matter. Chill out. 

[Edgar]

8 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

He didn't flat out say stats don't matter. Chill out. 

Two good points.

[purpletide]

8 minutes ago, Edgar said:

"Stats don't matter as much as film...."

" Tim still had more sacks than Reddick..." apparently they matter more to you one post later.

I'm nowhere close to comparing them statistically. As I said, I watch and see what I see. And for the record, I like Williams. If you like Williams better, I'll assume you've done your own study and come to that conclusion , that you don't prefer Reddick to him.

You can spare the misplaced condescension in the meantime.

I brought up the stats purely for that reason, because I don't see them as being very important when comparing Tim to Reddick, or really when comparing anyone to that matter (neither do I think you see stats in that way). However, you brought up that Tim had a lack of sacks at the end of the season and that it was worrying, and I said that if we're looking at stats then Tim has more sacks than Reddick. As for the "condescension" I don't see where I came off as that. I think my original post was misinformed, and I owned up to it and tried to best explain why I assumed you were claiming something else.

[Edgar]

3 minutes ago, purpletide said:

I brought up the stats purely for that reason, because I don't see them as being very important when comparing Tim to Reddick, or really when comparing anyone to that matter (neither do I think you see stats in that way). However, you brought up that Tim had a lack of sacks at the end of the season and that it was worrying, and I said that if we're looking at stats then Tim has more sacks than Reddick. As for the "condescension" I don't see where I came off as that. I think my original post was misinformed, and I owned up to it and tried to best explain why I assumed you were claiming something else.

That's fair. I was off base. Sorry about that.

[purpletide]

Just now, Edgar said:

That's fair. I was off base. Sorry about that.

All good. I didn't exactly help the conversation with my first post. I was a little too ready to jump on someone that I felt didn't know what they were talking about.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, January J said:

I think this is a realistic mock. Doesn't blow you away and leave you drooling- but rarely does that ever really happen on draft night.  All picks makes sense- the only beef I have is not taking a corner in such a stacked class at the position..  I know you only did 4  rounds so technically we could still take 1- but I  certainly see us taking one before then. My guess would be with one of the two picks we have in the third.

as far as corners go, i think this class is more top heavy than it is deep. the first 2 rounds are loaded with talent there, but also at edge rush, interior OL, and safety. to really get a quality cb i think its gonna take a first or second round pick, unless a developmental guy really reaches his ceiling from the late rounds or a small school guy is handpicked. and with sidney jones' injury i dont see enough value at cb at 16, ive been liking humphrey more but i still prefer a lot of other guys to him, and aside from him i could pass on any of the corners at 16.

 

12 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I love Williams as a player but I find it hard to take him at 16 with the reported and even self-admitted issues.  If we do take him, I imagine it means that Ozzie did a lot of checking with his Alabama connections, but still find it hard to believe at this time.

which is absolutely something that makes me believe the ravens could really be the most likely team to take him in the first. i really think theres merit to the ozzie-bama connection, not that he prefers bama players but he has a comfort level there with his sources, so when hes juggling 2 players while were OTC he will default to the bama guy often. he has taken alabama guys with question marks high often, cody with his weight issue, mosley with the injuries, upshaw with the lack of explosion, etc. i think tim williams could very well be the next in line for the oz-bama treatment. 

12 hours ago, Stevin said:

• 428 snaps on defense this year were the most in a single season of William’s collegiate career. That’s 684 career snaps less than Tennessee’s Derek Barnett played in 2016 alone.(с)    and how about his off-the-field issues?
• i like him a lot , but  he's not a safe pick for sure. it's not gonna happen , we need a safe pick in 1st. 
• i think tim will be drafted in 2nd

i like juju , it's a good pick but i'm afraid he will not be there

i don't like magnusson at all , especially in 3rd. mb in 5th this pick will be ok.

we don't need another dt , we have enough of that. if ravens pick some d-lineman , it's probably gonna be a tall de , something like mcdowell , wormley , jones etc .

perine is a great player but...  another rb in 4th round? again!? 3rd year in a row!?!? mb he will be better than west and lorenzo but we already have west and lorenzo...

 

traits, not production. when a player as talented as williams is there at 16, theres gotta be a reason for it. i often like to give these youngins the benefit of the doubt, unless theyre randy gregory or justin blackmon who are legit headcases and substance abusers by nature, watching interviews of williams compared to gregory or blackmon will show a big difference, williams seems to legitimately have a good head on his shoulders, they never did. also, pass rushers rotate heavily in the NFL, why hammer a DPR for being rotated out on running downs in college? every team with a quality pass rush has a 3rd down specialist, and williams has also shown on numerous occasions a willingness and competence to defend the run, a lack of opportunity due to being on maybe the GOAT front seven doesnt mean hes incapable.

we need a DT because our top pass rushing DT is as good as gone next year, however we have recently invested pretty heavily in tall/long DEs with kaufusi, and brent urban is working himself into bigger roles. with jernigan gone, we have 2 NTs in pierce and williams, who are both 1 and 0 techs, the only 3T we have at that point is willie henry and carl davis who both did absolutely nothing last year. not to mention, no great defense has only one lineup, to be great you need heavy rotations keeping guys fresh and keeping the offense from getting familiar

for perine, its hard to envision terrence west being in our long term plans, and im kenneth dixons biggest fan but hes not starting off on the right note, injury riddled rookie year after an injury riddled college career, and following it up with a PED suspension, big cause for concern. we want an identity of a powerful, smash mouth running offense, as stated multiple times by harbaugh, well perine is a good start to establishing that identity. 

10 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I like it. I don't love it but that's ok. Like too see different names. 

I think Magnuson is a bit of a reach and would prefer Dawkins. 

Also don't like perine. We already have west and Dixon we need a home run threat. I really like Marlon Mack from usf for us in the same round

i originally mocked dawkins to us in the 2nd but i went back and changed it because i actually think dawkins is gonna go quite early in the second, a lot of teams should be looking to grab one of those falling guards in the early 2nd, guys like feeney and dawkins get nabbed up real early in the second because these teams love the players but were picking too high to justify it in the first, and theyre ecstatic when they fall past the late first round teams. 

8 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Looking at your draft it seems to me that your picks are all a round too early. To me Tim Williams is a one trick pony, he does have pass rushing ability but little else. He missed  drug tests which are a red flag for me.To me a first round pick should be a complete player not one dimensional.Tim Williams going in the first round would be a surprise to me.

I do like Schuster but he really needs to improve his route running but he does have good hands and should do well on contested catrches.

williams doesnt just have pass rush ability, he has ELITE pass rush ability, he is a game changer. not to mention, tim williams really isnt just a one trick pony, like i stated above he has film out there of him holding up quite well in the run, he crashes the line on the back end of zone plays very well, pursues great, and his motor runs as high as anyone in the class, and this year he beefed up a lot and played much more physical and really progressed big time against the run. 

 

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4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

as far as corners go, i think this class is more top heavy than it is deep. the first 2 rounds are loaded with talent there, but also at edge rush, interior OL, and safety. to really get a quality cb i think its gonna take a first or second round pick, unless a developmental guy really reaches his ceiling from the late rounds or a small school guy is handpicked. and with sidney jones' injury i dont see enough value at cb at 16, ive been liking humphrey more but i still prefer a lot of other guys to him, and aside from him i could pass on any of the corners at 16.

 

i disagree slightly - i think there is a lot of great depth in this class down to the 4th round and then it drops off into more developmental/small school guys - but there are guys i have graded all the way down to the 4th who i'd love to have in this corner class - there are at least 20 corners id happily take in the first 4 rounds...

but i do agree that the value of corners is not there at 16 - without sidney jones this cb class no longer feels as top heavy as it did - it very much feels like lattimore and then everyone else at this point

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1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

I've already said before that I really don't like Williams' value at 16. He can pass rush but I don't think he can be much more than a pass rush specialist at the next level, just what I get from watching him. I don't want to get into it, but I can't see him as BPA over Corey Davis, Cam Robinson, or a couple of the other guys you've got on the board. I'd honestly take Watt over him - and I don't want Watt at 16 either - I think a trade back would be a much better decision if the board falls the way you've got it

i think his lack of opportunity against the run is being held way too much against him. williams has plenty of film of himself defending the run well, it just shows up sparingly since hes playing on a front seven that is basically all NFL talent with NFL talent backups. the tides front seven the past 2 years is absolutely ridiculous and you cant fault a player for the coach wanting to keep his legs fresh to do the more valuable job and do it better. 

you dont draft an edge defender at 16 for his run stuffing abilities, you draft him because he can get to the qb very well, which williams does, at that point you hope he either provides enough value there or he progresses into a 3 down starter. guys who can pass rush like tim williams but also defend the run at an elite level end up going top 3, so to get a guy with williams' talent level at 16 is great, because he brings a top 5 impact at potentially the most valuable aspect of a defense and just needs to progress in an area that can be addressed with dime-a-dozen players. courtney upshaw may be a better edge setter, but i doubt anyone would take upshaw at 16 hoping he becomes a better pass rusher, you can do that with pass rushers though and hope they develop their run defense.

thats how you get top impact players without tanking seasons and picking in the top 5, project a players progression based on traits rather than seeing them through a narrow scope based on their current role. 

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2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i disagree slightly - i think there is a lot of great depth in this class down to the 4th round and then it drops off into more developmental/small school guys - but there are guys i have graded all the way down to the 4th who i'd love to have in this corner class - there are at least 20 corners id happily take in the first 4 rounds...

but i do agree that the value of corners is not there at 16 - without sidney jones this cb class no longer feels as top heavy as it did - it very much feels like lattimore and then everyone else at this point

i hate watching cb film because all 22 film is damn hard to find, and standard view db film is just worthless. the only day 2-3 guys ive watched are moreau, rasul douglas, corn elder, jourdan lewis, tre white(who i actually think was up there with sidney jones), q wilson, tabor, desmond king, kevin king, awuzie, ad thats all i can think of off the top of my head. i really freaking hate watching db film lol. i think lattimore was the only time i actually enjoyed watching a corners film because his natural ability is just so easy to appreciate. 

so ill admit to being out of the loop as far as day 3 cbs are concerned. i just dont follow them well.