Timmy Jernigan - Trade rumors

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

19 hours ago, SepticeyePoe said:

no, it was ray ray

RayRayRaven= fake news

[Deflated Football]

On 3/25/2017 at 0:02 AM, Deflated Football said:

Wishful thinking, but what if we sent Jernigan, a 1st or 2nd and one or two comp picks for Allen Robinson (if they're really interested in Timmy) and a couple of their picks? 

Sorry what I started guys lol

[RayRayRaven]

10 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Sorry what I started guys lol

yah took a lot of jabs when u started it but do want hurns and would give a lot to get em.  funny thing is lots here thought jerigan was the answer to ngata and proly still do lol

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

yah took a lot of jabs when u started it but do want hurns and would give a lot to get em.  funny thing is lots here thought jerigan was the answer to ngata and proly still do lol

Because it's so easy to draft a in his prime Ngata caliber dlinemen SMH

[RayRayRaven]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Because it's so easy to draft a in his prime Ngata caliber dlinemen SMH

yeppers i have a list of star playas picd afta we picd when the draff is ovah ill show it to u.  the comprehesuv plan is bout more than playas. but its more than missed pics its about valuatin ur own rosta correct way cuz if u doan do that u doan know what to need

[JO_75]

So Harbs confirmed the rumors as being true and that teams are interested in acquiring Jernigan. Value must not be good enough because we haven't traded him yet.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

So Harbs confirmed the rumors as being true and that teams are interested in acquiring Jernigan. Value must not be good enough because we haven't traded him yet.

 

I don't blame us. He was our best pass rusher last season, and when other teams caught on they shut him down. He'd be super valuable on any team as he's good vs. both the run and the pass. 

 

If we 5th year option Mosley I think we have a chance to retain him. 

[RaineV1]

I think New Orleans could be a good trade target since they really need defenders and probably have the cap room to give Jernigan a multiyear deal. They could be willing to swap 2nd round picks to get him. Moving up five picks in the 2nd gives us a good shot at any sliding talent.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I think New Orleans could be a good trade target since they really need defenders and probably have the cap room to give Jernigan a multiyear deal. They could be willing to swap 2nd round picks to get him. Moving up five picks in the 2nd gives us a good shot at any sliding talent.

You think that's worth it for us though? I mean it's worth it sinc he's likely gone anyway, but I feel like a simple 5 spots in the second is not big and seems like the deal is missing something

[January J]

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You think that's worth it for us though? I mean it's worth it sinc he's likely gone anyway, but I feel like a simple 5 spots in the second is not big and seems like the deal is missing something

I think that would absolutely be worth it. 5 spots in the 2nd round might not sound like much but that could make a huge difference in acquiring one of the top guys that falls such as TJ Watt. Jernigan could ball out this year and have the best season of his career or he could be a penalty machine who gets hurt and leaves after this season anyway..with the current state of our d line I'd take moving up 5 spots in the 2nd no question.

Edited March 28 by January J

[RaineV1]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You think that's worth it for us though? I mean it's worth it sinc he's likely gone anyway, but I feel like a simple 5 spots in the second is not big and seems like the deal is missing something

Five in the second round can be pretty big, especially for a player that is likely in his last year for us anyways. It gives us a better shot at grabbing a sliding talent. As stacked as this draft is at certain positions, moving up five spots in the second could land us a really good player. Like a Zay Jones, TJ Watt, Charles Harris, Adoree Jackson, or Sidney Jones. The big thing is that it puts us ahead of the Colts and Saints who'll be looking for similar types of players as us on defense.

[Purple_City39]

I'm going to agree that 5 spots isn't worth it.  You're giving up a decent interior pass rusher and good run stopper, for 5 spots.  I'd rather they just let him ball out in a contract year, and leave and get an entirely new draft pick for him.

they could trade a 5th or 6th to move up 5 spots and I definitely think Timmy, in a contract year, is worth more than a 5th or 6th.

[rmw10]

There's no way I'm trading Timmy for a 5 spot jump in the 2nd. There's not enough upside, especially with the fluidity of those prospects in the late 1st/early 2nd range. if there are no trade options during the draft and the guy you're taking could still be potentially had at your original spot, you just gave Timmy away for nothing. If that's the scenario, I'd much rather have a 4th or something as that ammo to move up and get a guy. Not enough value in that minimal of a pick swap. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

That 5 spot jump, according to the "draft trade chart" everyone references... would be equivalent to the 122nd pick (4th rd comp).

Id prefer the 4th rd comp bc you could always trade it to move up the 5 spots, or stay put and take a player if the guy you wanted in the 2nd falls to your spot.

Ill take the flexibility of controlling the pick as opposed to being forced into the 5 spot swap before even seeing how the draft board is playing out.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Five in the second round can be pretty big, especially for a player that is likely in his last year for us anyways. It gives us a better shot at grabbing a sliding talent. As stacked as this draft is at certain positions, moving up five spots in the second could land us a really good player. Like a Zay Jones, TJ Watt, Charles Harris, Adoree Jackson, or Sidney Jones. The big thing is that it puts us ahead of the Colts and Saints who'll be looking for similar types of players as us on defense.

That colts and saints point is a very good one, never thought about that

[The Raven]

Using Jernigan to move up five spots? Are you serious? Five spots? Sorry but that's just a bad idea. I mean c'mon. The computer in Madden isn't even dumb enough to make a trade that one sided.

Edited March 29 by The Raven

[RayRayRaven]

2 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Using Jernigan to move up five spots? Are you serious? Five spots? Sorry but that's just a bad idea. I mean c'mon. The computer in Madden isn't even dumb enough to make a trade that one sided.

still think he be a good rotatashunial guy for the jags wed hav e to sweetn the pot but trade away now that harb confirms may as well shop til ya drop

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

I'm going to agree that 5 spots isn't worth it.  You're giving up a decent interior pass rusher and good run stopper, for 5 spots.  I'd rather they just let him ball out in a contract year, and leave and get an entirely new draft pick for him.

they could trade a 5th or 6th to move up 5 spots and I definitely think Timmy, in a contract year, is worth more than a 5th or 6th.

I don't see why this isn't the most attractive proposition - get a player with incentives to play well who has talent to play for you for cheap - if he stays there are literally only three things this could happen and none do anything really to harm the Ravens (especially given that the Ravens won't get anything more than a 4th at best for him)

1) he balls out, we get the benefit of a pro-bowl calibre season and a 3rd round comp when he prices himself out of bmore

2) he gets injured or doesn't ball out and is therefore affordable to re-sign which is a legitimate option because of his potential and affordability

3) he vanishes into obscurity and therefore wasn't worth worrying about anyway (this is the only situation where we really lose anything - and the only thing we lose is a potential day 3 pick at best)

the only way this trade happens is if there are behind the scenes issues that aren't public yet or if someone offers the Ravens a 3rd rounder or higher (which is very unlikely given sheldon Richardson is struggling to net the jets a 4th rounder)

[ravensnation5220]

Lol are we seriously considering moving up 5 spots in the second round for jernigan. Thank God Ozzie is the one making the deals. This is obsurd, if anything use him for the year and get the best out of him in his contract year

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Trading an above average defensive lineman to move up a measly five spots in the second round?

 

 

I'm glad the fans.... 

[PurpleHorseman]

If Sheldon is only going for a 4 then we should trade for him and line him up as Jernigans bookend. Jernigan and Richardson could prove a potent rush. And then there is the rush lb's to consider while trying to contain jerney and Sheldon. Is Sheldon in a contract year? Jerney and him playing for a contract would be very potent rush!

[JoeyFlex5]

10 hours ago, The Raven said:

Using Jernigan to move up five spots? Are you serious? Five spots? Sorry but that's just a bad idea. I mean c'mon. The computer in Madden isn't even dumb enough to make a trade that one sided.

He's as good as gone next year anyway. Rainer pointed out that we move ahead of the colts and saints with that move who will be both looking at edge guys, CB, and the colts looking for OL as well. Tj watt, Sidney jones, adoree Jackson, dion Dawkins, Charles Harris, maybe even dan feeney, all guys who could become available to us by moving ahead of them

[JoeyFlex5]

i wonder what Jernigan and a 4th would afford us to move up in the first

[The Raven]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's as good as gone next year anyway. Rainer pointed out that we move ahead of the colts and saints with that move who will be both looking at edge guys, CB, and the colts looking for OL as well. Tj watt, Sidney jones, adoree Jackson, dion Dawkins, Charles Harris, maybe even dan feeney, all guys who could become available to us by moving ahead of them

Still not sold. Jernigan is worth more than helping us move up in any round other than the first. If we trade him to move our first, I guess that's okay, but I'd still rather net the comp next year than use him to move up. He's worth more than that.

[rmw10]

55 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's as good as gone next year anyway. Rainer pointed out that we move ahead of the colts and saints with that move who will be both looking at edge guys, CB, and the colts looking for OL as well. Tj watt, Sidney jones, adoree Jackson, dion Dawkins, Charles Harris, maybe even dan feeney, all guys who could become available to us by moving ahead of them

That's something you evaluate while you're on the clock.  Yeah we can say the Colts might be interested in some guys we're targeting, but what if there are 5 guys on the board that we're comfortable taking?  If that's the case, we just let Jernigan go for absolutely nothing.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's something you evaluate while you're on the clock.  Yeah we can say the Colts might be interested in some guys we're targeting, but what if there are 5 guys on the board that we're comfortable taking?  If that's the case, we just let Jernigan go for absolutely nothing.

Oh absolutely you don't trade up before the draft UNLESS you trade up to first overall, otherwise you work it out ahead of time so the cards are on the table when you're on the clock, evaluate your board and decide whether it's a worthwhile move. 

However, I would offer up quite a bit to move up for tj watt in the second, though I doubt he falls past like 36ish. If hes on the board say 10 spots ahead and some team wants Jernigan and our 48 and perhaps a 4th, hell yes give me that all day

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh absolutely you don't trade up before the draft UNLESS you trade up to first overall, otherwise you work it out ahead of time so the cards are on the table when you're on the clock, evaluate your board and decide whether it's a worthwhile move. 

However, I would offer up quite a bit to move up for tj watt in the second, though I doubt he falls past like 36ish. If hes on the board say 10 spots ahead and some team wants Jernigan and our 48 and perhaps a 4th, hell yes give me that all day

That type of deal essentially makes Jernigan a throw in piece.

I feel like his value to this team is being severely understated right now.  He's certainly inconsistent, but even if he walks after the year, he's certainly more valuable to us on the field than the proposed pick most people would accept in return.  The only ways moving on from Jernigan makes sense is if it's a swap for another position of need, you get great value, or the team is intent on this being a rebuilding year which has already been proven to not be the case.

I think the reality is that trading Jernigan doesn't make sense.  If you can get a 2nd or maybe a 3rd out of him, great.  I don't see that as being anywhere close to likely though.  For a 4th or later, I'd rather just have him on field production for one more year.

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That type of deal essentially makes Jernigan a throw in piece.

I feel like his value to this team is being severely understated right now.  He's certainly inconsistent, but even if he walks after the year, he's certainly more valuable to us on the field than the proposed pick most people would accept in return.  The only ways moving on from Jernigan makes sense is if it's a swap for another position of need, you get great value, or the team is intent on this being a rebuilding year which has already been proven to not be the case.

I think the reality is that trading Jernigan doesn't make sense.  If you can get a 2nd or maybe a 3rd out of him, great.  I don't see that as being anywhere close to likely though.  For a 4th or later, I'd rather just have him on field production for one more year.

If we only get a 4th then I'd keep him for sure, but if we can use him to move up to secure a player who can really change things for us and pair him with a later pick then that could be huge. Landing a guy like tj watt in the second if he's in trade up range would be a massive jump for the future of our defense, him and Judon could be a damn good edge trio both being effective high iq rushers and solid overall edge defenders. 

[rmw10]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we only get a 4th then I'd keep him for sure, but if we can use him to move up to secure a player who can really change things for us and pair him with a later pick then that could be huge. Landing a guy like tj watt in the second if he's in trade up range would be a massive jump for the future of our defense, him and Judon could be a damn good edge trio both being effective high iq rushers and solid overall edge defenders. 

I still don't see the value in a move like that.  That still treats Jernigan like a throw in piece unless we're talking a significant jump.

[rmcjacket23]

2nd round or pick or better. Otherwise the trade doesn't really benefit us that much.