Timmy Jernigan - Trade rumors

[Somerset Ravens]

22 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Here's my logic on that. Why would we trade him for anything less than a 2nd? Think about it, we lose his game for a full year (this year) and then we let him walk next year because we couldn't afford to pay him (afford being the operative word). Jernigan will make silly bucks in the open market for sure and will assure us a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2019. I don't see us trading him for other than a 2nd round pick or an exchange for an equally impactful player. I would be disappointed if we just traded him now for anything less than a 2nd and lose his services for 2017...

I cannot see Jernigan getting big bucks in free agency. I see him ending up with a one year prove himself deal. He does have ability but utilizes it far too infrequently. He makes too many boneheaded plays. I do not see replacing his inconsistency as being too much of a problem.

[rossihunter2]

Everyone here saying Jernigan won't get a deal in free agency next year wasn't watching free agency this year I think - the only way I think this happens is if we get a 2nd rounder for him because otherwise he could easily play well in a contract year like so many before him and get us a 3rd round comp pick - I don't know why some of you guys don't see him getting us at least a 4th round comp

[PurpleCity5]

His value is as high as it will get. We can get a 2nd rounder from trading him and to be honest with you I only have one problem with it--Who's replacing him? That's it, outside of that I can understand trading him. I'd like to point out that Jernigan had an underwhelming end to the season, and when I say underwhelming, I mean bad, like it was awful. He looked gassed, didn't look like a beast in the run game and got close to no pressure on the pass rush. He was honestly part of the reason why teams ran it on us better and why QBs had more time in the pocket. We might have been a bottom 5 run D if Williams wasn't here. I'm also seeing a trend with Jernigan and that's the fact that he isn't a guy who can make an impact for a full season, his first year he splashed in the mid-season due to a combination of consistency, injuries and getting used to the NFL, his 2nd year he had a dreadful start to the season and picked it up towards the end of the year, this year he had a magnificent start then crashed at the end of the year. The Ravens just are not getting a full-year out of Jernigan nor are they getting that perennial pro bowl caliber of a player that they could absolutely get from him. 

If this trend that Jernigan sets carries on to next season, then I don't think he's going to make close to the top DTs/DEs of the league. 

Edited March 25 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Here's my logic on that. Why would we trade him for anything less than a 2nd? Think about it, we lose his game for a full year (this year) and then we let him walk next year because we couldn't afford to pay him (afford being the operative word). Jernigan will make silly bucks in the open market for sure and will assure us a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2019. I don't see us trading him for other than a 2nd round pick or an exchange for an equally impactful player. I would be disappointed if we just traded him now for anything less than a 2nd and lose his services for 2017...

unless jernigan decides he wants to play his way out of baltimore in year 4 by suddenly showing up for 16 games, then i dont think hes gonna get as much as youre thinking on the market. like everyone said, he has shown flashes, but he has entirely disappeared for 8-10 weeks a year, been outplayed by no names like lawrence guy and brent urban, and hasnt shown up in big moments at all to make people take notice of his talent. this isnt like brandon williams where he is legit the best run stopping NT in the league, this is a middle of the pack, highly inconsistent DT who draws 15 yard flags as often as he makes splash plays. id be highly surprised if he nets us anything more than a 4th, and of course if you wanna play this game then you have to factor in other free agents as well, if we go in hoping for a comp from jernigan that once again limits what we can do in free agency, trading him now eliminates that burden

[Deflated Football]

Wishful thinking, but what if we sent Jernigan, a 1st or 2nd and one or two comp picks for Allen Robinson (if they're really interested in Timmy) and a couple of their picks? 

[hen826957]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Wishful thinking, but what if we sent Jernigan, a 1st or 2nd and one or two comp picks for Allen Robinson (if they're really interested in Timmy) and a couple of their picks? 

I like the idea of trading Allen Robinson for Jernigan but not trading our 1st or 2nd if the Jags are interested. Swap picks in the 3rd or 4th round will do but we also will have to pay Robinson top dollar next year because he will be a UFA just like Jernigan so l don't know how it's gonna work out. 

Edited March 25 by hen826957

[Deflated Football]

59 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I like the idea of trading Allen Robinson for Jernigan but not trading our 1st or 2nd if the Jags are interested. Swap picks in the 3rd or 4th round will do but we also will have to pay Robinson top dollar next year because he will be a UFA just like Jernigan so l don't know how it's gonna work out. 

Jags aren't stupid enough to swap a 3rd or 4th with us though. Robinson is borderline elite and had ridiculous stats two seasons ago playing with Blake the Bum. Imagine him with Flacco. I'd gladly send them Timmy, our second, and a later round pick for Robinson and a 5th/6th or maybe both (assuming we have them. Not sure what our draft picks look like). I'd rather pay Robinson than Jernigan anyways. Him and Breshad would be lethal and we wouldn't have to worry about the WR corps for a while. Draft Malik McDowell as his replacement (assuming we trade back and get an extra 2nd). 

Edited March 25 by Deflated Football

[hen826957]

16 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Jags aren't stupid enough to swap a 3rd or 4th with us though. Robinson is borderline elite and had ridiculous stats two seasons ago playing with Blake the Bum. Imagine him with Flacco. I'd gladly send them Timmy, our second, and a later round pick for Robinson and a 5th/6th or maybe both (assuming we have them. Not sure what our draft picks look like). I'd rather pay Robinson than Jernigan anyways. Him and Breshad would be lethal and we wouldn't have to worry about the WR corps for a while. Draft Malik McDowell as his replacement (assuming we trade back and get an extra 2nd). 

Idk man. Can we pay Robinson next year is the question in order for this deal to work. You know we also have to pay Mosley as well. I don't see it happening.

Edited March 26 by hen826957

[RaineV1]

I don't really want to get rid of Jernigan even if he is inconsistent. However if trading him could move us up like five or six picks in the second or ten in the third (from either 3rd pick) then I'd take that deal.

[BmoreBird22]

Apparently no one offered more than a fourth for Sheldon Richardson, so do not at all expect Jernigan to net more than a fifth.

Edited March 25 by BmoreBird22

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't really want to get rid of Jernigan even if he is inconsistent. However if trading him could move us up like five or six picks in the second or ten in the third (from either 3rd pick) then I'd take that deal.

Just now reading bout the Jernigan stuff here but are you saying you want to trade our original pick plus Jernigan to move up a couple spots? I do have to say Ozzie like those deals lol but I'd be against that considering he could have a heck of a year and we could gain a good comp. I believe if Jernigan is traded tho it'd be a player for player move.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Here's my logic on that. Why would we trade him for anything less than a 2nd? Think about it, we lose his game for a full year (this year) and then we let him walk next year because we couldn't afford to pay him (afford being the operative word). Jernigan will make silly bucks in the open market for sure and will assure us a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2019. I don't see us trading him for other than a 2nd round pick or an exchange for an equally impactful player. I would be disappointed if we just traded him now for anything less than a 2nd and lose his services for 2017...

Poe had to take a 1 yr prove it deal. 

Jernigan, if he wants big money will have to do the same unless he plays out of his mind this year. 

 

And the reason you may may take a 3rd now is bc a teams 3rd is higher than a comp pick. You take a 4th bc a bad teams 4th is only slightly worse than a comp 3rd (which there's no guarantee we get, idk if it's even likely) in a historically good/deep draft. 

Assets now are almost always valued more than assets later (non-complete-rebuild scenarios).... 

[RaineV1]

17 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Just now reading bout the Jernigan stuff here but are you saying you want to trade our original pick plus Jernigan to move up a couple spots? I do have to say Ozzie like those deals lol but I'd be against that considering he could have a heck of a year and we could gain a good comp. I believe if Jernigan is traded tho it'd be a player for player move.

Yeah, basically. Like, our 3rd and Jernigan to go up like ten spots. Or something along those lines. The problem is, either Jernigan under performs again and others don't want him, or he does well in his contract year and we can't afford him. It seems like a lose lose situation. Also we got some other young d-linemen recently and could get another in this draft, so I don't think we lose that much by using him in a trade.

[Willbacker]

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah, basically. Like, our 3rd and Jernigan to go up like ten spots. Or something along those lines. The problem is, either Jernigan under performs again and others don't want him, or he does well in his contract year and we can't afford him. It seems like a lose lose situation. Also we got some other young d-linemen recently and could get another in this draft, so I don't think we lose that much by using him in a trade.

I hear ya I just don't like the deal cuz we don't gain a draft pick. Right now I'd rather just gain a 3rd which I think would be his ceiling right now.

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Apparently no one offered more than a fourth for Sheldon Richardson, so do not at all expect Jernigan to net more than a fifth.

which means we might as well use a good player for a year and maybe get a better comp pick...

[ellicottraven]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Poe had to take a 1 yr prove it deal. 

Jernigan, if he wants big money will have to do the same unless he plays out of his mind this year. 

 

And the reason you may may take a 3rd now is bc a teams 3rd is higher than a comp pick. You take a 4th bc a bad teams 4th is only slightly worse than a comp 3rd (which there's no guarantee we get, idk if it's even likely) in a historically good/deep draft. 

Assets now are almost always valued more than assets later (non-complete-rebuild scenarios).... 

That is the consensus push back I've received for my post. I'm not saying you guys are wrong at all and will admit perhaps you may be proven right. However, Jernigan is the only penetrating D-tackle we have right now on the roster with Pierce a close second. To eliminate that pass rush for a full season with the anticipation that he may not get big money is a little off for me. When players like him will get teams salivating over him all day long especially in free agency with all the cap space some teams tend to have. Also, remember Williams may push the pocket back some but somehow can't get to the QB and is a stud up the middle against the run. Jernigan on the other had has heavy hands and can squeeze hom to the QB as long as he shows consistency. This year if he shows consistency, we'll have a great D-tackle playing for us and helps the team. On the other hand, if he does play well, he's likely to surprise all of you and get a big deal elsewhere which will lead to a good comp pick in the 3rd or maybe 4th. I get what you're saying about getting a bad teams 3rd or 4th which is essentially quite a few spots away from a comp 3rd and a comp 4th but still...

As a tradeoff I will amend my requirement to get at least an early 3rd round pick or a late 2nd rounder to actually warrant a trade.

[Halshayeji]

22 hours ago, leziRav said:

I would not trade him nor sign Arthur Jones. I would keep Timmy one year and see how things goes during the season. However if they can trade him for a second rd pick this year then I am ALL in.

Exactly. Keep him for a year and get a comp third in return if he prices himself out. I also don't see a trade worth it unless we get a second and that's highly unlikely

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

That is the consensus push back I've received for my post. I'm not saying you guys are wrong at all and will admit perhaps you may be proven right. However, Jernigan is the only penetrating D-tackle we have right now on the roster with Pierce a close second. To eliminate that pass rush for a full season with the anticipation that he may not get big money is a little off for me. When players like him will get teams salivating over him all day long especially in free agency with all the cap space some teams tend to have. Also, remember Williams may push the pocket back some but somehow can't get to the QB and is a stud up the middle against the run. Jernigan on the other had has heavy hands and can squeeze hom to the QB as long as he shows consistency. This year if he shows consistency, we'll have a great D-tackle playing for us and helps the team. On the other hand, if he does play well, he's likely to surprise all of you and get a big deal elsewhere which will lead to a good comp pick in the 3rd or maybe 4th. I get what you're saying about getting a bad teams 3rd or 4th which is essentially quite a few spots away from a comp 3rd and a comp 4th but still...

As a tradeoff I will amend my requirement to get at least an early 3rd round pick or a late 2nd rounder to actually warrant a trade.

We drafted Jernigan when his potential was at its highest with a late 2nd. Almost every other team passed on him twice, when they could've had the full potential for 4 years cheap. 

I cant see someone now giving up a 2nd/early 3rd when he hasn't consistently lived up to potential, for just a year before having to give him big money if he finally does play well.

Im just more or less against the logic. To set your bar at 2nd or 3rd has to assume he puts it all together and plays really well to bet that level comp pick. That's a big assumption when he hasn't yet in 3 prior years -- and if the FO felt that was likely they're probably not trying to move him at this point. 

You try to move him bc you think he's maxed out and you want to get something before you lose him for nothing... and bc you think a current option can give you close to the same play. You have to operate on what you have, not assuming an unsubstantiated sudden and drastic improvement in consistency. 

I have no problems keeping him. I like the player. But I wouldn't be mad at a late 3rd-4th pick (which is prob wishful thinking) bc this draft is loaded and is likely the absolute best we'd stand to get back from him walking. If you have a chance to lock in your projected best case scenario - do it. 

--

Keep in mind Ealy, who has similarly flashed big upside but been aggravatingly inconsistent netted just a 8 spot move up for the Panthers. 

Jamie Collins who had proven much more and been far more consistent only net a 3rd rd pick from the team with THE MOST picks and cap space. And the Pats were all but guaranteed a 3rd rd comp. no ones just throwing picks around for mid tier players when they won't for proven near pro bowl level players. 

Sheldon Richardson, yes with some off field concerns, but far more dominant on field play didn't garner interest for anything more than a 5th rd pick.

If you're trading a guy in a contract year you have no leverage. You're going to lose him at the end of the season. 

So just saying... don't expect the value you've set. 

Edited March 25 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Halshayeji said:

Exactly. Keep him for a year and get a comp third in return if he prices himself out. I also don't see a trade worth it unless we get a second and that's highly unlikely

i agree entirely - unless an offer blows us out of the water then what's the point - he may be disappointing at times but he's also been a good player for us and at times has been exactly what we're missing on the defensive front - if he plays well then he helps us win and we get a comp pick, if he doesn't then he might be affordable to keep... i dont see us getting more than a 5th at this point just because he's in a contract year and isn't a proven game changer, so i dont see the point in having him on the trading block - it sounds to me like baseless rumours

[RayRayRaven]

20 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Ravens had one of the worst pass rushing defenses in the league last year. Let's not get rid of our best one

whoa r best one?

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

That's a stunner! I never would've thought that but the more I think about it, sure makes sense. Where did you hear this?

 

17 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Everyone here saying Jernigan won't get a deal in free agency next year wasn't watching free agency this year I think - the only way I think this happens is if we get a 2nd rounder for him because otherwise he could easily play well in a contract year like so many before him and get us a 3rd round comp pick - I don't know why some of you guys don't see him getting us at least a 4th round comp

u think so? whoa

11 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I like the idea of trading Allen Robinson for Jernigan but not trading our 1st or 2nd if the Jags are interested. Swap picks in the 3rd or 4th round will do but we also will have to pay Robinson top dollar next year because he will be a UFA just like Jernigan so l don't know how it's gonna work out. 

sur wh y not allan robinsen. not sur but doan see jerigan near value of robinsen

10 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Jags aren't stupid enough to swap a 3rd or 4th with us though. Robinson is borderline elite and had ridiculous stats two seasons ago playing with Blake the Bum. Imagine him with Flacco. I'd gladly send them Timmy, our second, and a later round pick for Robinson and a 5th/6th or maybe both (assuming we have them. Not sure what our draft picks look like). I'd rather pay Robinson than Jernigan anyways. Him and Breshad would be lethal and we wouldn't have to worry about the WR corps for a while. Draft Malik McDowell as his replacement (assuming we trade back and get an extra 2nd). 

robinsen is good but not sur flacco gonna get more out of him.  if we r talkin receiver the guy I want from the jags is allen hurns.  we could get him for jerigan and it would be a good trad for us fur sur

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

u think so? whoa

you just cherry-picked part of a sentence where i literally emphasised how unlikely that idea was

[balfan23]

This trade makes no sense to me, if we can't get at least a 3rd for him- which I seriously doubt we will. If we think we'll not be able to sign him, which in and of itself assumes he's going to have a good year, he'd go and likely get a 4th, maybe 5th round comp. To lose his services for what could amount to nothing, or only a jump from a 5th to a 4th round pick doesn't seem worth it. 

If they make a trade for a 4th or 5th rounder, then there is something else at play. At that point it would seem the team simply doesn't want him around this year, which would be a little surprising. 

[rossihunter2]

50 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

This trade makes no sense to me, if we can't get at least a 3rd for him- which I seriously doubt we will. If we think we'll not be able to sign him, which in and of itself assumes he's going to have a good year, he'd go and likely get a 4th, maybe 5th round comp. To lose his services for what could amount to nothing, or only a jump from a 5th to a 4th round pick doesn't seem worth it. 

If they make a trade for a 4th or 5th rounder, then there is something else at play. At that point it would seem the team simply doesn't want him around this year, which would be a little surprising. 

especially after watching the live mic'd stuff which suggested he was a real vocal leader on the field for the d linemen despite brandon williams supposedly being that guy - i think the reason he gets a long leash (despite occasionally the coaches picking him out negatively in post game interviews when he's been a bonehead) is because of how important he is within the group as a personality - i really wish he'd properly put it together for 16 games... now he literally cant stay more than a year because of brandon's deal

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

whoa r best one?

 

u think so? whoa

sur wh y not allan robinsen. not sur but doan see jerigan near value of robinsen

robinsen is good but not sur flacco gonna get more out of him.  if we r talkin receiver the guy I want from the jags is allen hurns.  we could get him for jerigan and it would be a good trad for us fur sur

So you would prefer another burner with limited catching ability, which is what most of our current WRs are already, over a complete wideout with great catch radius? 

You make more and more sense with each post

[purpletide]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So you would prefer another burner with limited catching ability, which is what most of our current WRs are already, over a complete wideout with great catch radius? 

You make more and more sense with each post

whetevur uar seyin sond funey  i doan liek

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, purpletide said:

whetevur uar seyin sond funey  i doan liek

do you think there is a days lost stat on the personal profile somewhere? i feel like ray ray here would be close to the top... maybe just languishing behind wiz

[SepticeyePoe]

5 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

whoa r best one?

 

u think so? whoa

sur wh y not allan robinsen. not sur but doan see jerigan near value of robinsen

robinsen is good but not sur flacco gonna get more out of him.  if we r talkin receiver the guy I want from the jags is allen hurns.  we could get him for jerigan and it would be a good trad for us fur sur

How is it that you spell both of their names wrong when the quote that you quoted spelled them both right? And when Jernigan's name is in the title?

I think @Moderator 3 was right, you've got to be trolling.

 

[purpletide]

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

do you think there is a days lost stat on the personal profile somewhere? i feel like ray ray here would be close to the top... maybe just languishing behind wiz

If not I hope they're making that stat lol

[purpletide]

1 minute ago, SepticeyePoe said:

How is it that you spell both of their names wrong when the quote that you quoted spelled them both right? And when Jernigan's name is in the title?

I think @Moderator 3 was right, you've got to be trolling.

 

No doubt in my mind that Ray Ray's a troll. I don't care how fast you type, or even if you're completely illiterate, no one spells like Mast3r Ch13f talks on "Arby 'n' the Chief." He also manages to go against a lot of objectively correct aspects of the Raven's franchise, for instance he wants to trade Flacco, and with his amount of posts on this site it should be impossible to support something so detrimental to the team.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, SepticeyePoe said:

How is it that you spell both of their names wrong when the quote that you quoted spelled them both right? And when Jernigan's name is in the title?

I think @Moderator 3 was right, you've got to be trolling.

 

Like a bunch of teenaged to 20 somethings he's clearly in love with pardon my take and thinks pft commenters Schlick is hilarious (i care more about telling than spelling) and thinks he's clever by blatantly knocking off of that character on here. 

Every misspelled word is spelled incorrectly the same way every time. Doan instead of don't?? You have to actually try to screw that up. And as you pointed out even when quoting names spelled properly he misspells them purposely using a phonetic spelling. I guarantee it takes longer and more effort to make sure everything's spelled wrong "the right way." 

 

Please guys lets all agree to block these people. Trolls exist for the reaction. I know it's tempting to want to talk sense into them, but you never will. They already know -- the stupidity is on purpose (some of it at least). If we block we don't have to see it, no one will quote so those of us that have blocked won't still be exposed.... And they'll quietly disappear