[News] Byrne Identity: A Little Bit Of This And A Little Bit Of That

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There are two types of teams that will arrive at the NFL owners meetings this weekend: those with 'one' and those without 'one.' Plus, taking stock of where the Ravens roster stands today.

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[Frank G]

I appreciate the optimism, Kevin. But this has been the same optimism every year we haven't made the playoffs as well. Everyone always says "The Ravens have a had a sneaky good offseason", yet we fall short.

The Patriots have visibly good off seasons, and they remind us every season why they are better than us. They beat us on, and off the field. They outcoach us, proof of that can be found in every trick play they've ran against us (Edelman pass, blocked FG stunt).

Lastly, we didn't fall by short by inches because Antonio brown reached over the line, we could tell all season the Ravens were not championship ready.

[BiggMack91]

John Urschel at center not a good idea
we have done some work to the defense but nothing on offense and woodhead doesn't count until we see if he can still move but if they don't make it to the playoffs we need some coaching changes

[griffrb]

I appreciate the optimism, Kevin. But this has been the same optimism every year we haven't made the playoffs as well. Everyone always says "The Ravens have a had a sneaky good offseason", yet we fall short.

The Patriots have visibly good off seasons, and they remind us every season why they are better than us. They beat us on, and off the field. They outcoach us, proof of that can be found in every trick play they've ran against us (Edelman pass, blocked FG stunt).

Lastly, we didn't fall by short by inches because Antonio brown reached over the line, we could tell all season the Ravens were not championship ready.

Exactly.

[The Mom Gene]

I'm going into this season attacking every game with "An Enthusiasm Unknown to Mankind’

[ellicottraven]

I had believed that we are the ones with 'one', but the last few years have begun to poke holes in that belief. I feel like a robust boat with massive holes in it taking in water faster than I can put it away.

Bottomline, Joe needs to perform commensurate with his salary and start playing like a great QB. That means pre-reads, post reads, great decision making, great movement in the pocket avoiding pressure and yet with his eyes on his receivers, good accuracy, and most importantly sound judgment when passing the ball. Right now he is pretty average in most of these categories and a high score on all these categories is what makes a QB great and become 'one'.

Right now, Joe Flacco isn't playing like the 'one'.

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I had believed that we are the ones with 'one', but the last few years have begun to poke holes in that belief. I feel like a robust boat with massive holes in it taking in water faster than I can put it away.

Bottomline, Joe needs to perform commensurate with his salary and start playing like a great QB. That means pre-reads, post reads, great decision making, great movement in the pocket avoiding pressure and yet with his eyes on his receivers, good accuracy, and most importantly sound judgment when passing the ball. Right now he is pretty average in most of these categories and a high score on all these categories is what makes a QB great and become 'one'.

Right now, Joe Flacco isn't playing like the 'one'.

i dont mind if joe doesnt do all those things you mentioned perfectly because he never has done but has still played unbelievably well at times - i think there are two things that will improve him a lot this year: 1) better footwork/mechanics - his mechanics looked inefficient and his footwork was a mess at times (you could maybe blame some of that on the ACL but his feet weren't great pre-ACL either, 2) better offensive line - even with bad footwork last year, when he got time in the pocket, for example against the dolphins, he was able to carve them up

obviously there are other ways he could improve but i see those two things as the "game-changers" if you will

[fusuymada]

To shore up the pass rush we might want to re-acquire Arthur Jones who was released by the Colts but who had done exceptionally well in the system here in Baltimore. Baltimore wanted to keep Jones initially but couldn't match the numbers the Colts offered him. Now may be the time to get him at a cost close to the vet minimum (due to his suspension), since there appears to be limited interest in him. You know, he did quite well in the Ravens system and since Pees is still running it, would probably do just as well. The Colts tried to get Jones to play every down and the Ravens never expects that of any of their D linemen knowing that having a rotation is the best way to keep them fresh and help avoid injuries. For a little more than a vet minimum, he may be just the answer to the outside pass rush off the D line that we have been unable to get with the guys we have placed there. Also with the loss of Lawrence Guy, here is the man who had the job before we had to go get Guy and he did a darn good job of it.

[Bat-mite]

Flacco is not a guy like Brady who elevates the play of the people around him. Flacco needs a strong OL and talented WRs. If we can get them, he will put the ball in their hands, and we will win games. If we go into the season with an OL of similar quality to last year, then Flacco will spend all his time backing up and throwing off his back foot. I can't believe the FO is unaware of that fact; however, we have not seen any indication of what the OL or receiving corps are going to look like,

[RavensBaltimore]

1 hour ago, Frank G said:

I appreciate the optimism, Kevin. But this has been the same optimism every year we haven't made the playoffs as well. Everyone always says "The Ravens have a had a sneaky good offseason", yet we fall short.

The Patriots have visibly good off seasons, and they remind us every season why they are better than us. They beat us on, and off the field. They outcoach us, proof of that can be found in every trick play they've ran against us (Edelman pass, blocked FG stunt).

Lastly, we didn't fall by short by inches because Antonio brown reached over the line, we could tell all season the Ravens were not championship ready.

Yes, we did fall short by inches, and no, we couldn't tell the Ravens were not championship ready. I bet you could "tell the Ravens weren't championship ready" after their 3rd consecutive loss in Dec of 2012, just like many of the other fans could. The fact is that we've made the playoffs or been extremely close in 8 of the last 9 years. The only time we weren't a playoff contender was when every one of our starting skill players went to IR. There's no reason not to be optimistic.

 

[RavensBaltimore]

3 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

Flacco is not a guy like Brady who elevates the play of the people around him. Flacco needs a strong OL and talented WRs. If we can get them, he will put the ball in their hands, and we will win games. If we go into the season with an OL of similar quality to last year, then Flacco will spend all his time backing up and throwing off his back foot. I can't believe the FO is unaware of that fact; however, we have not seen any indication of what the OL or receiving corps are going to look like,

People say this all the time, and the facts continue to prove that it isn't remotely close to being true. If Flacco doesn't elevate the play of those around him, then how does Torrey Smith go from averaging over 800 yds and 7 tds to being virtually worthless in SF? Steve Smith was better at 35 and 36 with Joe than he was in his last couple years with CAR. Did he age backwards or did playing with Joe help him out? Mike Wallace's career was taking a nose dive until last year. Ed Dickson even had much better receiving numbers with Joe than he's had in CAR. We've never seen one receiver fail to be productive with Flacco and then light it up somewhere else. Never. Not even close. Meanwhile, whenever Brady gets hurt, his backup comes in and plays very well and wins games, but Brady gets credit for making others better and Flacco does not.

[The Greek]

wonder if we take a look at arthur jones now that the colts released him. rotational guy at the right price possibly

[ByTheBay]

48 minutes ago, RavensBaltimore said:

People say this all the time, and the facts continue to prove that it isn't remotely close to being true. If Flacco doesn't elevate the play of those around him, then how does Torrey Smith go from averaging over 800 yds and 7 tds to being virtually worthless in SF? Steve Smith was better at 35 and 36 with Joe than he was in his last couple years with CAR. Did he age backwards or did playing with Joe help him out? Mike Wallace's career was taking a nose dive until last year. Ed Dickson even had much better receiving numbers with Joe than he's had in CAR. We've never seen one receiver fail to be productive with Flacco and then light it up somewhere else. Never. Not even close. Meanwhile, whenever Brady gets hurt, his backup comes in and plays very well and wins games, but Brady gets credit for making others better and Flacco does not.

I do my fair share of Joe bashing but you know what, you make an excellent point. 

[hen826957]

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

Edited March 24 by hen826957

[20306cab]

Putting Brady and Pathetic Joe in the same sentence, is absolute insanity.

[The Beak]

Putting Brady and Pathetic Joe in the same sentence, is absolute insanity.

Bash away , Unfaithful Fan you could always root for Tyrod .......

[The Beak]

  1 hour ago, Bat-mite said:

Flacco is not a guy like Brady who elevates the play of the people around him. Flacco needs a strong OL and talented WRs. If we can get them, he will put the ball in their hands, and we will win games. If we go into the season with an OL of similar quality to last year, then Flacco will spend all his time backing up and throwing off his back foot. I can't believe the FO is unaware of that fact; however, we have not seen any indication of what the OL or receiving corps are going to look like,

People say this all the time, and the facts continue to prove that it isn't remotely close to being true. If Flacco doesn't elevate the play of those around him, then how does Torrey Smith go from averaging over 800 yds and 7 tds to being virtually worthless in SF? Steve Smith was better at 35 and 36 with Joe than he was in his last couple years with CAR. Did he age backwards or did playing with Joe help him out? Mike Wallace's career was taking a nose dive until last year. Ed Dickson even had much better receiving numbers with Joe than he's had in CAR. We've never seen one receiver fail to be productive with Flacco and then light it up somewhere else. Never. Not even close. Meanwhile, whenever Brady gets hurt, his backup comes in and plays very well and wins games, but Brady gets credit for making others better and Flacco does not.

Spot on , Joe is way undervalued...

[Bruce_Almty]

I'm going into this season attacking every game with "An Enthusiasm Unknown to Mankind’

If that is what you will be doing, how will we know?

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

That would be so counterproductive. I hate it! 

[hen826957]

2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

That would be so counterproductive. I hate it! 

I wonder that when they draft a player, can they put a 5th year option instead of a 4th that way we have a extra year on thier rookie year. Joe Flacco had a 5 year rookie deal while CJ Mosley have a 4 year rookie deal. CJ Mosley should have a 5 year rookie deal and we wouldn't have to worry about it until two more years. 

Edited March 24 by hen826957

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

That would be so counterproductive. I hate it! 

I wonder that when they draft a player, can they put a 5th year option instead of a 4th that way we have a extra year on thier rookie year. Joe Flacco had a 5 year rookie deal while CJ Mosley have a 4 year. CJ Mosley should have a 5 year rookie deal and we wouldn't have to worry about it until two more years. 

All 1st Round picks have a 5th year option. Mosley does too and the Ravens will execute it....

[sizzlingdoom]

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

If that's true, and there was any to get a second round pick in this draft for him, I'd do it.

[billiejean]

  10 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

If that's true, and there was any to get a second round pick in this draft for him, I'd do it.

I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know if there is a team out there that would give us a second for Tim. But a guy can dream can't he. Its very Bill Belichickesque

[hen826957]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  12 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

If that's true, and there was any to get a second round pick in this draft for him, I'd do it.

I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know if there is a team out there that would give us a second for Tim. But a guy can dream can't he. Its very Bill Belichickesque

A 3rd rounder is fine because it will always us to trade back in the second round to get another player. That way, we could get two 2 round guys. We will have multiple picks then in the 3rd round to do it.

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, billiejean said:

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  16 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

If that's true, and there was any to get a second round pick in this draft for him, I'd do it.

I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know if there is a team out there that would give us a second for Tim. But a guy can dream can't he. Its very Bill Belichickesque

A 3rd rounder is fine because it will always us to trade back in the second round to get another player. That way, we could get two 2 round guys. We will have multiple picks then in the 3rd round to do it.

In this draft, I'd probably do it for a 3rd as well. It would have to be in the top half of the 3rd though.
Getting as many picks in the 2-80 range in this draft is huge
On a related note, the browns have so many picks this draft and next year. Of course they've been a joke for so long, but that really might come to and end soon. They have a good coach, they just beefed up their oline nicely, and they might add Garret, Watson, and a lot more. There are bound to be a number of teams that just absolutely nail the first 3 rounds of this draft. It's going to go so far for the whole organization, for so long. Hopefully we're one of those teams

[sizzlingdoom]

  18 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

Flacco is not a guy like Brady who elevates the play of the people around him. Flacco needs a strong OL and talented WRs. If we can get them, he will put the ball in their hands, and we will win games. If we go into the season with an OL of similar quality to last year, then Flacco will spend all his time backing up and throwing off his back foot. I can't believe the FO is unaware of that fact; however, we have not seen any indication of what the OL or receiving corps are going to look like,

People say this all the time, and the facts continue to prove that it isn't remotely close to being true. If Flacco doesn't elevate the play of those around him, then how does Torrey Smith go from averaging over 800 yds and 7 tds to being virtually worthless in SF? Steve Smith was better at 35 and 36 with Joe than he was in his last couple years with CAR. Did he age backwards or did playing with Joe help him out? Mike Wallace's career was taking a nose dive until last year. Ed Dickson even had much better receiving numbers with Joe than he's had in CAR. We've never seen one receiver fail to be productive with Flacco and then light it up somewhere else. Never. Not even close. Meanwhile, whenever Brady gets hurt, his backup comes in and plays very well and wins games, but Brady gets credit for making others better and Flacco does not.

Sorry. Everything is situational. I disagree with just about all of this. Comparing Torrey being on the worst team in the league this year, vs getting his multiple deep shots every game with Joe doesn't make sense. Steve Smith was better at 35 and 36 with Joe??? You can't be serious! Steve Smith is a triple crown winner! A HOFamer. And those 2 massive accomplishments had nothing to do with playing with Joe. Once Again, like Torrey, Mike is a one trick pony. And like Torrey, he was stuck on 2 teams without a QB, and definitely without a QB that can throw the deep ball. Wallace lit it up with Ben cuz he could throw it deep. Stats never tell the whole story. And Ed Dickson?Really, Ed Dickson? I'll leave that one alone. And are you really comparing Joe to Brady, with any sentence or comparison at all. As much as I hate Brady, that's just dumb. And that's not true about Brady's backups. They still win a lot cuz BB is ridiculous, and far and away the best coach. And their D is always underrated for some reason. Brisset is a 3rd round pick, came in and played the Bills at home. The patriots did not score a single point. Yet Brady put up 38 points and 4tds, in 3 quarters, in Buffalo. Flacco has not received much help when it comes to providing him with a legit #1, but he also doesn't elevate those around him much, if at all. He can throw a deep ball, and I would love to see us get back to that. But the coaching has a lot to do with that. I think the line will turn out well too. Between the coaches and Flacco's play last year, I just really hope I can forget about it to be honest. It was embarrassing. New season coming up though. I would imagine Joe's knee is feeling better. But if his heart isn't in it, it won't matter. I'm not bashing Joe, but he should not be compared to Brady. Last year was his worst year imo and it's in the past. We need to get the man a John Ross, or Corey Davis. Ju Ju would be GREAT too!

[whobilly]

Putting Brady and Pathetic Joe in the same sentence, is absolute insanity.

Let's be honest, and I'm a Fan of Joe. There is Brady, then there is everybody else.

[whobilly]

I heard that Timmy Jernigan is on the trading block. Or thinking about trading him since they can't afford him next year. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/3/24/15050162/michael-lombardi-says-the-ravens-are-talking-about-trading-timmy-jernigan-nfl-draft-brandon-williams

Jernigan is a good player who has made good plays. Translated, the kind of player who will get way over paid by another team in the FA Market. If a team is dumb enough to offer us a #2 pick you have to take it.

[The Mom Gene]

21 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

Flacco is not a guy like Brady who elevates the play of the people around him. Flacco needs a strong OL and talented WRs. If we can get them, he will put the ball in their hands, and we will win games. If we go into the season with an OL of similar quality to last year, then Flacco will spend all his time backing up and throwing off his back foot. I can't believe the FO is unaware of that fact; however, we have not seen any indication of what the OL or receiving corps are going to look like,

I think the front office is well aware.  Just remember, we are not done yet.  Offseason is barely started.  But you are right.  It's just that some people have a very difficult time comprehending that.  They just WANT to pick on Joe.  It's their mantra.  And we will continue to hear the very same garbage until he wins another SB.

[The Mom Gene]

19 hours ago, Bruce_Almty said:

If that is what you will be doing, how will we know?

Because Bruce.....  it's what I always have done....  That's how you will know.